Crawling Through the Wreckage

A postmortem on Hillary Clinton, also-ran.

By Eleanor Clift | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Jun 6, 2008 | Updated: 1:52  p.m. ET Jun 6, 2008

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  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/13/2008 9:34:56 AM

    know I will get hit for this... THERE IS A SIGN IN IOWA.. The state which started off Obama's winning spree.... though the votes where divided among Edwards, Obama and Clinton... hmmm... Time to start praying.

  • Posted By: The Dominican @ 06/11/2008 9:22:35 PM

    Menopause it's attacking you very bad Eleonor....

  • Posted By: fainstadt @ 06/09/2008 3:19:43 AM

    C'mon on for a normally coherent writer you show your bias against Hillary Clinton. Let her do what the hell she wants to do with her delegates. Sounds like you are old school and just cannot believe a woman can be president. You are awful. PS I am a man so blah blah blah

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 1:58:27 PM

      I'm still waiting for someone to make a point that demonstrates bias. Bias is a term that is thrown about way too often these days without any need to back up the claim.

      • Posted By: The Dominican @ 06/11/2008 9:21:47 PM

        It's obviously she is biased...

  • Posted By: loulou @ 06/06/2008 11:42:10 PM

    I still think if mi and fl votes had count a hundred per cent Hillary would have won. I feel the DNC was all behind Obama. Well this old democrate won't be voting for Obama. I will vote for McCain and all the other republicans. The only way I would go back to the democrate party would be if Hillary would run again. I don't her to go as vice president eihter still I would not vote for him. I think you need to do some things he has done wrong while he was in office. I think there is more to the story than coming out. Why don't you write something nice now that she not the race. I think that obama is a big cheat not hillary. He will put us women back forty years if election.

    • Posted By: ginamlaster @ 06/07/2008 2:02:16 AM

      The DNC was really generous by giving those states anything at all. They broke the rules!!! You wouldn't't reward a child who broke the rules and cried about being punished. Instead of griping about it, a heartfelt "thank you" would be really appropriate right about now, because a lot of us were all for letting the punishment stand.

      You're a fruitcake Loulou. The only one who is going to set women back is you and the others who vote McCain instead of your party's nominee. Why? Because you'll be voting for the destruction Roe v. Wade, a super-conservative Supreme Court and pretty much everything the feminist movement has spent the last 40 years fighting to achieve. That won't be Obama's doing...it'll be your own. Please stop thinking with your hormones and start using your head. McCain is laughing at you.

      • Posted By: beep @ 06/07/2008 6:23:39 AM

        lou lou - how strange that you would choose a person over a party. I wonder where you are on Roe v. Wade because if you vote for McCain you'll be the first to complain when it is overturned

        • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/07/2008 9:33:37 AM

          John McCain has stated more times than not, that he is not going to seek to overturn Roe vs. Wade. He does not agree with it but he is not going to seek to overturn it so you can just stop trying to scare people with it because it won't work.

          • Posted By: ginamlaster @ 06/11/2008 8:48:33 PM

            He can "say" that till the cows come home, but what he's going to do is appoint ultra-conservative judges to the Supreme Court (just like Bush did) who are going to do the dirty work for him. Presidents are part of the Executive branch of the government, not the Judiciary. They don't make law, they execute it. But they have the power to put judges in place to make the laws they enforce. If you think for a moment that McCain won't use Roe v. Wade to lock in his evangelical support, you're crazy because they're slipping away from the party and the Reps can't get elected as dogcatchers without them.

            By the way, do you realize that in most of your posts you claim that people are trying to scare you and it won't work?

    • Posted By: neos @ 06/06/2008 11:46:08 PM

      Comment: The pouting Clinton supporters who plan to embrace McCain and the Republican party would do good to remember that these are the very same people who had prepared a dossier and dirty tactics galore to use on "our Hillary" this Fall. The Republicans will welcome and exploit you for their own purposes and then laugh all the way to the bank at your gullibility..

      • Posted By: ginamlaster @ 06/07/2008 2:29:32 AM

        Thank you! How stupid is that, to vote for the guy who was going to do everything he could to destroy your candidate had she won? His whole function in life would have been to keep Hillary from winning at all costs, and now these pity-junkies are going to vote for him? That just doesn't sound too well thought out to me.

        This is just becoming silly. Doesn't anybody remember the 90's? Say it with me people: REPUBLICANS HATE CLINTONS!!!!! They hate the Clintons with every fiber of their being. They're laughing at Hillary and Bill right now. How the mighty have fallen! To spite their party, they're going to drive their supporters right into the arms of the very people who were willing to stop at nothing to impeach and disgrace them. And if that happens, they will lose all their standing in the Democratic Party and destroy the power base that's taken them 20 years to build, and for what? To put Barack Obama in his place and lose this election for him? And this gets her elected in 2012 how? Because the rest of us will be grateful to her for helping our nominee to lose the election, so of course we'll vote for her?

        Man, you couldn't make this crap up. Because Hillary lost, I'm going to join the biggest "I Hate Hillary" club on Earth to teach those democrats a lesson. Does anyone else see anything strange about this line of reasoning?

        • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/07/2008 9:35:45 AM

          Each party will do everything in its power to make sure the other party does not win so for you to be saying the Republicans were going to go after Hillary is insane. Obama has already started going after McCain and vice versa so don't use that as an excuse either.

          • Posted By: ginamlaster @ 06/07/2008 1:34:28 PM

            That's not an excuse, baby. That's a fact, and it's being reported on all the major news sites. They've set up a website specifically to cater to disgruntled Hillary supporters who would like to change party affiliation and contribute money to the McCain campaign. And I didn't say Republicans are going after Hillary. I said they're courting her supporters. They desperately need the money and the votes, and they would love nothing better than to humiliate the Clintons and ruin their standing in the DNC. You don't have to believe me. Google "Citizens for McCain". Joe Lieberman is the one setting it up.

            • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/07/2008 7:32:43 PM

              The Republicans are going to go after anyone on the other side and vice versa so again don't try to say how can you vote for them when they were going to ruin Hillary. This is an election!

              • Posted By: ginamlaster @ 06/11/2008 8:22:52 PM

                You're not making any sense. I think you're being deliberately obtuse, which is particularly disappointing because you know what I'm saying is true. You cannot have lived in this country through the Clinton years and NOT know how very much the Republicans truly HATE anything and everything Clinton. But you're right. This is an election, and the Republicans are the weakest they've ever been thanks to Bush. If you're willing to let them use you, they're going to oblige you because they need all the help they can get. But how anyone could claim to respect the Clintons and yet vote for a party that despises them defies logic and common sense. But you seem to be determined to cut off your nose to spite your own face, so good luck with that.

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/11/2008 6:30:43 PM

    McCain Opposes Senate Bill That Sought Equal Pay for Women
    by Associated Press
    Wednesday, April 23, 2008


    Here is the link to the article; http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/23/mccain-opposes-senate-bill-that-sought-equal-pay-for-women/

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/11/2008 6:27:16 PM



    Author: McCain Called Wife ***, Trollop
    In his book The Real McCain, author Cliff Schecter claims that John McCain made extremely ugly remarks about his wife Cindy McCain during a tirade witnessed by three reporters and two aides. "At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, 'You're getting a little thin up there,'" Schechter writes. "McCain's face reddened, and he responded, 'At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you ***.' McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days



    http://www.drudge.com/news/106692/author-mccain-called-wife-***-trollop

  • Posted By: rainbow68 @ 06/09/2008 11:48:48 AM

    Hillary enjoyed very postive press forever. When she was thrown over for Senator Obama, she was shocked at how she was being treated. Obama started out underappreciated and had to fight to be taken seriously. I think this really toughened him up.

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/09/2008 9:54:50 PM

      you guys keep believe in fairy tales..

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/10/2008 12:09:35 AM

        And you guys are angry and bitter. And now you're going to compound it by being stupid. Luckily there are only a few of you.

        • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/10/2008 9:24:30 PM

          Z2 - At least 40% of HRC voters are in the camp of not voting for Obama. Even MSNBC has so reported. So before you get all smug and comfortable throwing us under the bus (like your hero did with his grandmother). get ready for a major reality check. LMAO

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/11/2008 6:09:58 PM

            And those numbers come down each week - by November, you'll just be an amusing memory. And Obama will be President.

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/11/2008 6:00:12 PM

    Tuesday, Nov. 13, 2007 12:39 EST

    Clinton, McCain and the B-word

    At a campaign event in South Carolina Monday, a female supporter asked John McCain: "How do we beat the ***?"

    If the Arizona senator objected to that particular characterization of Sen. Hillary Clinton, he didn't exactly say so.

    Instead, as the room erupted in laughter, McCain said he'd try to offer a "translation." Somebody in the audience shouted out, "I thought she was talking about my ex-wife." There was more laughter all around, and then McCain said: "That's an excellent question."

    McCain cited a recent Rasmussen poll showing him with a statistically insignificant two-point lead over Clinton, then finally got around to saying, "I respect Sen. Clinton, and I respect anyone who gets the nomination of the Democrat Party."

    And yes, as Talking Points Memo notes, that would be the same John McCain who immediately distanced himself from the comments of his own mother when she took a dig at Mitt Romney's Mormon faith


    THERE IS ALSO A VIDEO OF THIS, HERE IS THE LINK; http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/11/13/mccain/

  • Posted By: IdahoRunner @ 06/11/2008 2:39:43 PM

    Yep, lots of ifs??? Also the fact all candidates knew the rules for the Democratic Nomination, thus setting a strategy to meet objectives under those rules. If Democrats had the same rules as Republicans, all other candidates would've run a different campaign, Obama included.
    And, do not write off Idaho so quickly for the Democrats. Perhaps if Hillary was running, yes no question Democrats would have no hope of winning Idaho. Obama has a real chance. McCain might very well look back at how he lost some "solid" Republican states if he makes the same mistake on his assumptions as on this article taking for granted Idaho.
    Ignacio Sanchez. Boise, ID

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/11/2008 7:06:35 AM

    Posted By: sharenews @ 06/11/2008 6:46:41 AM
    Comment: IMPORTANT BULLETIN FOR ALL BLOGGERS ON THIS SITE:

    TO NEWSWEEK STAFF:

    This is to report that there is a FRAUD going on, on this site, in which bloggers are using the names of various bloggers (Obama supporters are most likely the culprits) who are fraudulently writing blogs that are deplorable and tagging them under other bloggers names (non-Obama supporters names). I officially reported such a fraudulent abusive use of fake postings that I just viewed on this site today that affected me personally. This is what it said in which the blogger fraudulently used my name as the poster:

    IT SAID THIS. I NEVER WROTE THIS. SO ALL OTHER POSTERS, ESPECIALLY FORMER HILLARY SUPPORTERS, BEWARE:

    Posted By: sharenews @ 06/11/2008 03:05:43

    Comment: I agree. So why do so many Obama supporters make him out to be a Messiah?

    I NEVER wrote the above comment or ANY mention of Obama being a Messiah. At this point I am ready to bring this abusive process that you are using on your site to FOX NEWS as I have done this before and they are very responsive. I have copied this report to send onto the media if I dont see a stop to the smearing of my name or others on this site moving forward!

  • Posted By: victtodd @ 06/11/2008 2:45:06 AM

    The old lady looks really stupid!

  • Posted By: Ganpat @ 06/09/2008 5:12:26 AM

    Who cares?

    Who will like Obam in 2012?

    If Hillary is wise enough to remain independent of Obama she can run again in 2012.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 1:56:18 PM

      We'll probably like Obama in 2012. At that point, he will be finishing up his first term as president.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/09/2008 3:01:06 PM

        Yup and he will win the second by another landslide..

        • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/10/2008 9:26:08 PM

          PIA - OMG - LOL. I hope you're right that the country is happy and thriving in 2012 but really doubt it. You guys are in deep trouble.

  • Posted By: lornaj @ 06/09/2008 5:16:17 AM

    Your article is very Biased and the media sucks.

    • Posted By: NeverSurrender @ 06/10/2008 1:27:21 PM

      Hillary Clinton supporters and all other Democrats-in-Exile, here is a website for you:
      http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/an-invitation-to-democrats-in-exile/

  • Posted By: tobon_05@yahoo.com @ 06/10/2008 12:23:36 PM

    A lot of people are writing that the media is a bias. Guess what? Everybody is bias. Get over it.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/09/2008 9:54:12 PM

    Mccaine - the democratic choice for democrats.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 06/09/2008 10:57:25 PM

      Yes, McCain is perfect for Democrats. . . if your income is in the top 0.5% of the nation. If you're sure that you'll never have trouble with your mortgage. If your health care insurance covers 100% of every illness with no co-pays and resonable premiums. If you have a hefty 401.K. If you are too old to go to war and have no children who might be sent. If you are too old to ever again need an abortion and you have no daughters or nieces who might need one. If you don't care about all the people who lose their jobs when they are shipped overseas -- or about the tax break that corporations get for taking jobs away from America. If you don't care that the gap in wealth between the upper and middle classes is the widest it has ever been because, baby, you've got yours and the rest of the suckers can just punt. Yes, by all means -- you must vote McCain.

      • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/10/2008 8:14:00 AM

        Both of you idiots, you did not have problem with Kerry. who was rich dude and supporter of Nafta.. and you did not support Hillary who wanted universal health insurance. O yes, how about giving away our tax money to Obama;s core supporters. Get more from us working middle class. Give away to those mortgage firms who bank rolled Obama.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/10/2008 12:07:44 AM

      Yo idiot, if you are going to vote for the man, you should at least know how to spell his name. Hopefully you're from one of those states that includes the canidate's picture on the ballot. You do know what McCain (take note of the correct spelling) looks like don't you? If not, just pick the befuddled looking white guy.

  • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/08/2008 3:10:54 PM

    Comment: I have a suggestion for all the Clinton supporters who say they are going to vote for McCain. Go to the following website address for the Wall Street Journal:

    http://online.wsj.com/public/page/election2008.html?mod=2_1309

    At the top of the page, you'll see cartoon charcters of McCain and Obama along with a link that says "See An Interactive Graphic." If you click on that link you'll see a very easy to read summary on the differences between McCain and Obama on various topics. Remember, with the excpetion of health care, Clinton's polilcies are very similar to Obama's. Even on health care, Obama's policy is closer to Clinton's than McCain's.

    Try to take a moment and put aside any emotional response and read the differences for each topic. When you're finished, ask yourself objectively and without emotion who's policies you agree with more. If the answer is Obama, then try to at least keep an open mind as the campaign plays out. With emotions still high, no one expects you to endorse Obama at this point - just try to keep an open mind and focus on the policies rather than the personalities, because that is really what is most important.

    Just a suggestion.

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/09/2008 9:59:56 PM

      Thank you for your patient and generous explnation for the cognitively impaired Hillary supporters. Now I would like to stick my middle finger up and say F.O.

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/10/2008 12:02:18 AM

        Well, I obviously didn't dumb it down enough for you. I'll try to do better. In the meantime, please tell your middle finger I hope it enjoys its time outside of your nose.

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/08/2008 6:59:56 PM

    Comment: HRC supporters - just discovered a new link - http://www.womenboycottmsnbc.com. Let them know what you think about Keith and Chris!

    • Posted By: loriw @ 06/08/2008 8:25:47 PM

      Please, ALL HRC supporters go immediately to that link and stay there!
      Ba Bye!

      • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/08/2008 10:23:56 PM

        Loriw - once again, another inspirational post. Do you think Senator Obama would speak that way? Do you think he wants to lose all HRC supporters? Give his campaign a call and share with them some of your posts. I'll bet they'll be real proud of you (not). He has shown a graciousness that you truly lack.

        • Posted By: loriw @ 06/09/2008 1:35:34 PM

          I expect Sen. Obama to speak for himself. I speak only for myself. Hillary and Bill's actions speak volumes for themselves- Adultery, lies, theft, perjury, murder, shady business investments, sexual harassment, accepting an abusive marriage to take advantage of husband's political pull....and the list goes on and on and on......

          • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/09/2008 3:22:51 PM

            Lowiw - I can't believe you're still on Hillary's back. Jeez - you won. And your allegations regarding the Clintons and murder - please. The Clintons were the most investigated people ever - Does the name Ken Star ring a bell? And the best he could come up with was Monica Lewinsky - big deal. In an earlier blog you also put down Hillary for staying with Bill after he cheated on her. That just is none of your business. Many married people go through all sorts of betrayals and try to find a way to stay together. It was her decision alone to make how to handle that personal situation.

            • Posted By: loriw @ 06/09/2008 7:34:04 PM

              And I'll stay on their backs until Hillary really concedes and is not just suspended.

              • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/09/2008 9:18:29 PM

                Loriw - is your whole life based on why you hate Hillary? How about telling us why Barack is your candidate? Your rants only divide the party which makes you sound like those Republican spies I keep hearing about.

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/08/2008 6:30:09 PM

    Comment: Comment: HRC supporters - while I haven't been as successful as I hoped on this site, I have found many allies on other sites including noquarterusa.net and CNN. I'd like to rename our project: Operation Respect. The goal is to go after those who have used vile and malicious comments against Hillary and make sure there are consequences for them - in particular, the folks at Newsweek, MSNBC and their advertisers.

    Initially, we just need to ensure we are not boosting rates at MSNBC and Newsweek sees their subscriptions drop (which will lower advertising revenue). Thereafter, we will go after the advertisers (just like the right wing has done successfully in some of their campaigns).. I will be back in touch with boycott details. Thanks to those of you who have added ideas and better tactics than I initially proposed.

    Obama supporters - I don't think Barack is behind any of this nor is my anger directed at him (although some of you are really pissing me off calling HRC supporters, dumb, ignorant, stupid, etc.). Please stay out of this and let HRC supports redress our grievances with the people that are really behind our anger.

    HRC supporters - I know many of you are angry at Obama. CNN polls show that 17% of HRC supporters will vote for McCain and 22% plan to stay home. I understand. The GE is 5 months away. In the meantime, let's see if we can bring down Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, Howard Fineman, Jonathan Alter, etc., to at least take the edge off

    • Posted By: newly_indie @ 06/08/2008 11:52:42 PM

      You have allies here too. Thanks very much for the link, and please keep us posted.

      From a Hillary Supporter and former lifelong Democrat who recently changed her registration to Independent--and will vote that way too.

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/09/2008 7:09:23 PM

        Nothing wrong with people switching to independent - just make sure you vote on the issues.

      • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/09/2008 6:13:47 PM

        good...as long as you don't vote McCain!

      • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/09/2008 1:41:44 AM

        newly indie - thanks and will do.

  • Posted By: The Dominican @ 06/08/2008 7:01:36 PM

    I feel so sad that people like this are writting articles... The Fear and Coveting prime in their scripts, and Obama was clear that you must follow your dreams not your fears and envy.... I will pray for your lost soul Miss.

    • Posted By: NeverSurrender @ 06/09/2008 3:22:04 PM

      How much are the Republicans paying you to recruit voters for McCain?

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/09/2008 7:08:01 PM

        Actually, Obama paid each of us $100 to vote for him ... does that make you feel better?

  • Posted By: NeverSurrender @ 06/09/2008 3:17:34 PM

    Many of Hillary Clinton's supporters will vote for John McCain in 2008. The DNC and the Media as well as many Obama supporters were unfair and disrespectful to the best candidate, Senator Hillary Clinton. We will send a message to the DNC that they can believe in: No to Obama - the DNC and Media selected candidate.

    McCain in 2008 - experience we can count on.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/09/2008 7:05:57 PM

      Sounds like you have already surrendered.

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