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  • Posted By: Richard1327 @ 06/08/2008 12:04:52 PM

    Maybe she lost because all the blacks Bill helped during his 8 years in office abandoned her and blindly voted for Obama because they think their time has come and ignored who is actually qualified. Maybe she lost because the caucuses were attended by a measly 4000 young/rich/ black people who pressured/voted twice and didn't represent the entire state. Maybe she lost because FL & MI were unconstitutionally disqualified from a proper primary and full vote count which falsely skewed the results in Obama's favor which resulted in a nominee that does not represent the majority of registered DEM voters?

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/09/2008 6:15:54 PM

      Or maybe it's because, through his own carelessness, Bill Clinton came across as the "kindly plantation owner" who "knows what's best" for the unfortunate little darkies.....

      I can't overemphasize how much his comments ostracized the African American community-- many of whom (including myself) were Clinton supporters before South Carolina.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 2:06:04 PM

      She lost partly because she played dirty and expected to get away from it. Obama kept to the high ground and she showed herself to be bound of the tactics of the past. She lost fair and square.

  • Posted By: Republican Girl @ 06/07/2008 10:36:28 AM

    February 28, 2008, the former Clinton pastor was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Rev. William Procanick sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.

    Do you believe that just because this was Senator Clinton's pastor she approved of his actions. I don't believe Senator Clinton approved of her pastor's actions any more than I believe Senator Obama approved of Reverand Wright's actions. We all go to church to worship God not our pastor.

    Base your decision to vote on the events they have fought for, their track record, the things they believe in and will fight for in the future.

    • Posted By: rossj @ 06/07/2008 3:07:51 PM

      First off, I support Obama now. Second, you are comparing apples to oranges. That disgusting man wasn't preaching from the pulpit that little girls should be touched! Wright and Michelle Obama, who called us "whities", have said something else completely, trying to get people to follow their train of logic. Very big difference between someone's private life and someone getting up and proclaiming something like they have.

      • Posted By: Ezana @ 06/07/2008 4:06:13 PM

        When did the word whitey come out of either of their mouths?

        • Posted By: rossj @ 06/07/2008 5:47:18 PM

          She was a confrence and was sitting on the panel. She claimed it was 'whiteys" fault. She is also quoted as saying she wants to gouge Bill Clintons eyes out. Now, agree with him or not, not a very presidential wife thing to say in my opinion. Thanfully, we are voting for Barack and not his wife nor his pastor.

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/09/2008 5:35:32 PM

            Please provide a link or source for this statement.

          • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/07/2008 8:03:19 PM

            You have to understand, some of Obama supporters will not questions anything about him at all. it is called Blind Faith and usually end not so nice. I guess they were so secure that he is going to win that they have not been paying attention to the news. The story has been on quite a few of the news outlets. It will come out in good time, I believe the Republicans are waiting until it gets time for us to vote because it will leave the Democrats in a bad way so close to the elections. If Obama was any kind of a man he would just come out and admit it instead of having no comment when asked about the video.

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/07/2008 11:20:29 PM

              Have you questioned why John McCain calls his wife and his female aids a certain demeaning word?

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/09/2008 5:34:20 PM

      Actually you are wrong. This was not Sen, Clinton's pastor, this was a pastor from a town named Clinton. This rumour was proven wrong over a month ago.

  • Posted By: frjiles1 @ 06/07/2008 3:10:26 PM

    As a former Clinton supporter, it was tough seeing her being forced to be phony and say all of that crap about Obama.

    I don't know what she received in return but I sincerely hope it was worth it. Obama's camp,members of the DNC and the media are talking nicely about her now. When Obama loses to McCain, the tone is going to change dramatically! They are going to treat her worse than they did during the primaries.

    Under no circumstances can I support Obama or his party! In saying that, McCain here I come!

    • Posted By: Ezana @ 06/07/2008 3:58:13 PM

      And goodbye Roe vs. Wade any supreme court judge that isn't draconian, and whatever is left of this country when the republicans are through. How childish!

      • Posted By: cookiegramma @ 06/07/2008 5:18:31 PM

        One question, when the dems call for not voting for McCain are they really trying to claim that they will protect the right to abortion for all the second class citizens out here whose votes were discounted when the super delagates decided this nomination. What a bunch of hippocrates. Women do not matter to the Democratic party so shut up about protecting abortion ruights. That will be protected by the states. All former Clinton supporters, This household has quit the party, the water is just fine here in Independent land, and no party calls for you to give them money either come on in.

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/09/2008 5:33:00 PM

          This election has not been about women! It was supposed to be about Americans, why do you choose to forget this?

    • Posted By: Jim from Marina California @ 06/07/2008 5:12:53 PM

      HRC has "suspended"-how can we make her resign entirely and disappear from the political scene? There will NEVER be another Clinton in the White House to loot, plunder, sell influence, sell pardons to the highest bidder and dishonor our White House!

      • Posted By: perumanian @ 06/08/2008 2:02:36 PM

        o they are hoping the michelle tape will surface.

    • Posted By: perumanian @ 06/08/2008 2:01:32 PM

      Mccaine the democratic choice.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 06/07/2008 9:33:48 PM

      quoting frjiles1 "it was tough seeing her being forced to be phony and say all of that crap"
      yep,. I watched the whole speech this morning. Got up early (work a shift job and get home late/get up late) but I got up early so I could see Hillary talk a noon. Instead got to watch her car for 40 minutes (when I could have been sleeping) and listened to the commentary about how this was so typical of the Clintons to be late for events like this... When she FINALLY arrived I thought the speech was insincere. (Wish I had just stayed in bed.) How incredibly rude of the Clintons to think that somehow our time and lives are unimportant compared to theirs, that habitually being late especially to nationally televised events is of no concern. Notice again that the Clinton's make no apologies for their actions.

  • Posted By: paulte @ 06/08/2008 3:41:35 PM

    Well, it ain't over until the white lady concedes and she finally did! She even endorsed Obama! That was mighty white of her! But in the final analysis, she is a sore loser. That has been evident for some time now when there was no way for her to win the nomination but she just kept running. She showed that many whites and even Hispanics don't care for Obama. I mean a black guy can't even win a primary In Puerto Rico?

    Of course now the media will be preparing us for Obam's coronation, just like the media & Clift were preparing us for Hillary's coronation back when! Once again, the Liberals will be wrong, Obama will self-destruct and McCain will win in November! Go McCain go!

    • Posted By: OBWan @ 06/08/2008 5:39:47 PM

      Paulte - Your question shows a lack of understanding in race relations in the US between Hispanics and African-Americans. I have sister and brother-in-laws that are of Hispanic descent that never will vote for a black candidate - even if it is in their best interest to do so. Does not matter party of election (local, state, or national). Now, my Jewish and Asian in-laws that is a whole other matter.

      I am just another integrated family.

      • Posted By: paulte @ 06/08/2008 8:39:07 PM

        I knew that there was some level of conflict between blacks and Hispanics but I thought it was at the level of street gangs. Most of the Hispanics are mestizos and you would think that minorities would stick together. I doubt Obama can get 40% of the white vote. There will be increased black participation in this election because of its historical nature but that won't make up for his white shortfall. He will need to make up for it elsewhere. If he can't get it from the Hispanics, then I don't know where else he can. I do know that Jews and Asians don't like blacks, so who else is there to support him?

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/09/2008 5:22:22 PM

          Where are you getting this stuff from? You are making blanket statements without any supporting data. You are also a new poster, I do not remember seeing your tag. The reason that I mention this is there is an obvious problem with McCain supporter posing as Clinton supporters an a few posing as Obama supporters. Their only purpose is to keep spreading the hate so that Clinton supporters will turn to McCain. I hope that this is not the case with you. We really need to come together, although I admit that it is difficult to ignore some of the insults, but we must not allow McCain anywhere near the WH!

      • Posted By: paulte @ 06/08/2008 8:36:36 PM

        I knew that there was some level of conflict between blacks and Hispanics but I thought it was at the level of street gangs. Most of the Hispanics are mestizos and you would think that minorities would stick together. I doubt Obama can get 40% of the white vote. There will be increased black participation in this election because of its historical nature but that won't make up for his white shortfall. He will need to make up for it elsewhere. If he can't get it from the Hispanics, then I don't know where else he can. I do know that Jews and Asians don't like blacks, so who else is there to support him?

  • Posted By: alvinernest @ 06/07/2008 6:22:08 PM

    America should be congratulated... the nomination of senator Obama is a clear manifestation that America has moved beyond race, and if we are honest we must give credit to the white American majority as it is they who have allowed this progress... I also want to make the point that senator Obama did not win this nomination by standing a a black American, he won because he stood as a man, who just happens to be black... we all know that had he stood as a black candidate that the outcome may have been different... I congratulate senator Obama for having the courage to stand as a man and not a black man! It takes a brave man to rise above the rhetoric and symbols of the day; through his courage and foresight black people will achieve a new level of freedom, one that assures them that white Amercica can rise above race if blacks are prepared to leave it behind. I think there is a lesson here for Hilary Clinton and the voice of women she represents... she too should rise above the rhetoric and symbols that have hindered the progress of women... it should have never been raised as an issue in her campaign... It seems to me that this campaign has proved that by engaging in debate about political correctness that one only adds momentum which prolongs the route to the desired outcome... America is not racist, that is clear... black people must follow senator Obama's lead by not engaging in this discussion any longer... they must focus on connecting with white America, because clearly white America wants to connect with them... lets all grab this opportunity... America is changing the world... America is reclaiming its moral authority and demonstrating to the world its true heart and identity....

    • Posted By: Richard1327 @ 06/08/2008 12:11:29 PM

      No one has moved beyond race. 95% of all blacks voted for Obama because he's black. If the blacks had moved beyond race, they would have voted for any one of the other Dem candidates that had more experience.

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 2:11:34 PM

        They voted for the best candidate. They originally supported Clinton, but switched to Obama once he showed that he was the real deal.

        By the way, where were these 95% in 2004? They could have supported Sharpton, but they didn't.

        There are likely more women who voted for Hillary because she's a woman than blacks who voted their race. This is obvious because there are a lot more women then there are blacks.

    • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 06/08/2008 2:04:00 AM

      He didn't win. Obama was carried across the finish line by the DNC. They something is happening in the USA. Its called not counting all the votes .....twice in a row now. Hillary is the Al Gore of 2008. Get the Democracy straightened out first. This mushy stuff about making history is good media drama. Fact of the matter is the USA is way behind most of the world with ' change '. Other nations already had or have female leaders. There was no issue or argument on sexism. Canada had a female Prime Minister over 15 years ago. Her name is Kim Campbell. No outrage or resistance when she became Prime Minister.
      Margaret Thatcher was the Prime Minister of England when Ronald Reagan was President. Germany has a Chancellor, the US equivalent of President , who is a woman. Latvia's President is a woman. India had a female Prime Minister and so did India, and others. The USA has to grow out of their shell. Hillary Clinton faced so much criticism in the USA because she is female in the land where democracy is its foundation.
      Hillary Clinton as a female would have pushed the US even further up the ladder of ' change' in line with nations that have no sexism issues when it comes to the leader of the country. USA still has to get more advanced.

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/08/2008 3:19:15 PM

        LIKEITIS - this guy isn't even a Canadian. And he is not a Clinton supporter. He is just another republican stooge trying to fuel disunity among democrats.

  • Posted By: Chaya @ 06/08/2008 1:36:26 PM

    For the longest time the army of Obama spokes people in the media,Dowd ,Frank Rich and NYT and the digusting misogynist talking heads Olberman,Matthes and Russert and Bancle,spewed enough venom and said if the supers weighed in and supported one candidate against the other(they obviously meant Hillary) there would be race riots.And ofcourse now that the supers(same as the supremes earlier)helped Obama
    win ,it is all okay!Go figure.Eleanor you are absolutely pathetic in thinking you could hurt Hillary with your ' too brutal' comments...You are a pesky mesquto on an Elephant..just a nuisance..nothing more.Don't flatter yourself.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 2:04:36 PM

      Hillary hurt herself. She lost. Get over it.

  • Posted By: Chris Paris @ 06/08/2008 4:46:44 PM

    I am not a Hillarist. But I am able to see in her plight the roots of the evil in the democratic party. It is disgusting that the party in which she contended screamed for her to quit even though she has a right to run, and a right to carry her delegates into the convention. The primacy of the party is wrong, and it is a flaw that must be recognized. Segovia had no choice? He was heeding the call of party leaders?

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 2:02:39 PM

      Exactly! They ran Joe Biden out of town as well. Why was he forced from the race? And Edwards, Kucinich, and Richardson? Shouldn't the all get the nomination? It's just not fair.

  • Posted By: denmill @ 06/09/2008 1:05:05 AM

    Here are the "Top Five" reasons the Democratic National Committee (DNC) gave the delegates of Michigan and Florida to Obama :
    1. Barack Hussein Ossama is Black.
    2. The DNC did not want Michigan and Florida to be burned by black people just like the events of the Los Angeles 1992 riots.
    3. The DNC needs the vote of about 99% black people in order to remain in power.
    4. Keith Oberman did threathen the DNC that he will run as a communist candidate and steal all of the black vote from the DNC.
    5. Howard Dean overheard Sen. Hillary Clinton said that she would stop all the welfare checks that were intended to black people if elected president in order to make them pay for their ingratitudes toward former President Bill Clinton.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/09/2008 2:00:05 AM

      Here are the five reasons why you are wrong:

      1. You're a racist
      2. You're an idiot
      3 - 5. See one and two

      Why are you even on this blog you moron.

      • Posted By: denmill @ 06/09/2008 2:03:32 AM

        Liberalism is a mental disorder !!!!!!!!!!

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 2:00:06 PM

          No it's not.

          Wow. That was easy to blow apart. Empty rhetoric is always easily dismissed.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/09/2008 8:58:21 AM

        Second. GM, Zig. You remind of someone I know or knew.

  • Posted By: fainstadt @ 06/09/2008 3:22:14 AM

    ELEANOR YOU ARE BIASED FOR SOME REASON OR SHOULD I JUST SAY "ELEANOR - WENT OVER A CLIFT" YOUR DID A HACK JOB ON A GREAT WOMAN. SHAME ON YOU

    • Posted By: denmill @ 06/09/2008 9:56:25 AM

      Fainstadt, you are so so right!

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 1:57:23 PM

        It's telling that the people who cry "BIAS!" never seem to have any examples of said bias. Saying something in all-caps does not make it so.

  • Posted By: Cantabrigian @ 06/06/2008 6:13:05 PM

    NObama is a damn fool who is absolutely, positively CRAZY!

    Senator Hillary Clinton obtains MORE votes, however, NObama forms a committee to choose a VP who will be his final counsel.

    Hot damn! Knowing NObama's judgment - he will probably announce Valerie Jarrett, Jerimiah Wright, or Hoffa.

    One thing we know is the huge gap between his well-rehearsed vocal mojo and any substance.

    • Posted By: delius1967 @ 06/06/2008 6:31:56 PM

      Clinton did NOT obtain more votes. Please stop promulgating this obvious falsehood. The vote totals in the caucus states -- that went heavily for Obama -- were not released. He withdrew his name from MI after the DNC (including Hillary!) decided to punish the state by stripping their delegates, so counting this as a 500k to zero win for her, what a joke.

      Like it or not, there is no way to accurately tally the vote totals nationwide.

      • Posted By: repaite@msn.com @ 06/06/2008 6:36:08 PM

        I don't know what all the fuss is about. If O-bomba picks Hillary for his running mate, she'll be president for 7 years instead of 8 that's all !

        • Posted By: Saltydog_0 @ 06/06/2008 6:51:08 PM

          Good point. Who do you think pulls the trigger? Hillary or Bill?

          You think this one's too big for Chelsea? She's gotta commit her first felony sometime. Why not start strong?

          • Posted By: pramono @ 06/06/2008 7:04:19 PM

            Talking about children, why dont BOBAMA get rid of his children, they spent 20 years with the good Reverand Wright, he can get rid of them under the bus.

            The same way he got rid of the good Reverand Wright, the Catoliques, Italinas, Jews, Cubans, Arabs, ....Veterans, Blue color

            • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/06/2008 7:08:38 PM

              I don't care who you wanted to win you do not under any circumstances make nasty remarks about a candidates children. This has nothing to do with them. Obama will have to live with fact of what he let his children listen to and if he any kind of person, he will teach them hate is not acceptable under any circumstances.

              • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/09/2008 12:49:35 PM

                Shadoe,

                I have a newfound level of respect for you. Thank you for drawing a line.

            • Posted By: Jus'Sayin' @ 06/06/2008 8:45:15 PM

              Miss a few English classes, there, paramo? Why don't you go back into your trailer and study for your GED?

              • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/09/2008 12:46:06 PM

                GED????

                You think's he's smart enough to get a GED???

                You're far more generous than I

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/06/2008 9:43:06 PM

              One word for you- VILE. I hope you don't have children of your own.

          • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/06/2008 7:02:10 PM

            Can't you have a normal discussion with someone. That remark was very uncalled for!

        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/06/2008 6:50:46 PM

          Hopefully you got neutered.

      • Posted By: pramono @ 06/06/2008 6:58:06 PM

        If BOBAMA was stupid enough to remove his name from MI, it is his doing. In a democracy you don't remove your name unless you are sure you are going to loose.

        Stop cheating and lying, it is enough for BOBAMA to do it.

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/06/2008 8:18:54 PM

          Yes, it was silly for Obama to take his name off the ballot. I mean, he was only doing what the party requested him to do - but everyone should know that being a team player never works in politics. Oh wait ... maybe it does.

          • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/07/2008 9:08:15 AM

            They were not told to take their name off of the ballot. He chose to do so all by himself so please get your facts straight.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/06/2008 8:21:17 PM

      You're absolutely right - and Al Gore got more votes too, so that's why he began president. Don't be stupid.

  • Posted By: loriw @ 06/07/2008 5:01:18 PM

    I think i was the one who said we would be doing a post mortem on the Clinton campaign over a week ago.
    However it appears that the "patient" isn't dead yet. Only suspended.
    When will it end...

    • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/08/2008 1:17:46 AM

      Loriew - get off HRC's back. She suspended rather than ending the campaign to pay off debt. Of course if she ended the campaign, then you'd be on her back for not paying her debts. Just remember the CNN poll - 17% of HRC voters will go to McCain and 22% will stay home (as of today). If you keep up this kind of rant, your candidate will never win. Every time you open your mouth, another HRC supporter decides to stay home. Face the facts, Obama can't win without us. I know that upsets you but that's reality.

      • Posted By: loriw @ 06/08/2008 1:39:58 AM

        She mismanaged the campaign and that's why she's in debt. Yeah, let's elect her and expect her to balance the trillion dollar budget. Yeah, and I want to stand in line to make a donation to a loser's campaign fund....NOT! I don't care if she pays it off or not. Hear she stiffed the places in Indiana when she was here, didn't pay them for the places she rented to campaign from. NICE....and she wonders why we don't want them back.

        • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/08/2008 4:09:45 AM

          Loriw - for someone who won, you sure are bitter. I'd hate to be around to see what you're like if you lost. Get off Hillary and move forward. Your type of hate is not constructive and I'd be surprised if Senator Obama would be proud to call you a supporter.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/09/2008 9:01:33 AM

            dreffein, you seem to be stuck on negative posts. You accuse Obama supporters of hate. Where in her comment did lori ever mention hate? You see Hillary and McCain supporters attack Obama and his supp. daily. Do you ever come to their defense?

  • Posted By: lornaj @ 06/09/2008 4:54:47 AM

    You are biased as the media has been on all a long. Even with your education you still think a woman cannot do anything. You are a follower and not a leader among other things. As for Obama he is very slick and has the media fooled. Obama has not stated his program in any way how he will try to run the country. The media is still giving him a FREE RIDE.

  • Posted By: denmill @ 06/09/2008 12:35:00 AM

    A postmortem on Hillary Clinton, courtesy of the Liberal media. "Liberalism is a mental disorder".

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/09/2008 2:00:50 AM

      I think you meant racism, stupid.

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/06/2008 3:26:54 PM

    McCain is seriously courting Sen. Clinton's supporters!

    Supporters of Sen. Clinton are correct in thinking that wining the white house will be much easier if we all come tother, which is what I pray for. But those that are considering and/or planning to vote for McCain out of anger that she did not win the nomination really need to remember that Sen. Clinton's and Sen. McCain's policies and views are 100% opposite (with the exeception of the gas tax holiday) while Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama's are very very similiar.

    Without your vote, there is a very good chance that we will not win the White House and if that happens you will be the cause of 4 more years of Bush's policy, thousands of more deaths of our young soldiers etc. If you vote for McCain and he wins, you will not have the right to complain, because he will be the president that you voted in. I am sure that Sen. Clinton would have a serious problem with that!

    • Posted By: Saltydog_0 @ 06/06/2008 4:21:56 PM

      I agree completely.

      What justification do embittered Clinton supporters have to be angry at Obama? Why aren't they angry with Hillary or Mark Penn for running a grossly incompetent campaign? Obama worked his tail off to win the nomination. He worked within the rules of the DNC and WELL within accepted moral/political codes of conduct. Yes, I know "moral/political" is an oxymoron. My point is Obama didn't engage in mud slinging nearly as much as he could have.

      I know. Iknow. Bill says his wife lost due to sexism and bias from the press, but don't believe the hype. It was Bill's job to cry foul. What was he supposed to do? Admit that her campaign was poorly planned and executed? If Hillary had enjoyed a press bias, do you think Bill would have complained? Would he have demanded that Obama be treated fairly if he believed him to be disadvantaged due to race?

      Obama won due to superior campaigning. If your angry, direct your anger where it belongs; at Hillary, Bill and/or Mark Penn. Don't be so small-minded and petty as to vote for McCain in retribution. If you honestly believe that McCain better reflects your views concerning Iraq, the economy, social policies, etc., then, by all means, vote your conscience. But if you are simply reacting out of spite and cutting off your nose to spite your face, then grow up and do the responsible thing. Swallow your pride. Display some maturity. Act with humility and grace. Vote Obama.

      • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/06/2008 6:35:28 PM

        Obama won because the media was afraid to say anything bad about him, because we all know what happens when you do. You become a racist. Not that it matters that you just don't feel he is the best person for the job, you are a racist. Well soon, the shoe is going to be on the other foot!

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/06/2008 8:24:15 PM

          The media says something bad about Obama and they are racist. The media says something bad about Clinton and they are sexist. So what you are really saying is the media doesn't mind being thought of as sexist as long as it is not thought of as racist. Did I get that right?

          • Posted By: newly_indie @ 06/08/2008 11:01:46 PM

            The media weren't objective at all about Obama. They displayed a criminal negligence in not asking any tough questions of a serious candidate running for president. Any media coverage Obama *didn't* like was self-inflicted (the insane reverends whom he had named as his 2 closest spiritual advisers, his horrid wife etc.). By contrast the media were unremittingly vile and misogynistic towards Hillary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-IrhRSwF9U&eurl=http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2008/05/27/sexism_sells/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-IrhRSwF9U&eurl=http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2008/05/27/sexism_sells/

          • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/07/2008 9:23:10 AM

            I believe that a lot of people would have no problem being called sexist (as evidenced by a lot of men who feel any woman should not be in power), but do not want to be called a racist.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/06/2008 9:44:35 PM

          Obama won because the people voted for Obama. End of discussion.

          • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/07/2008 9:19:41 AM

            Pia, that is not true. We will never know who got more votes because of the caucuses. There could have been 98 votes for Hillary and 100 for Obama and he would get the vote. There was widespread reporting of people being shut out and not being allowed to vote. So, for you to say Obama got more votes is not true! Delegates and super delegates stated on TV and in newspapers that they picked him because they did not want to disillusion the black nor the young voters. They were afraid that if they did, when their re-election came up that they would loose.

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/07/2008 10:40:49 AM

              Shadoe- Obama had a larger caucus turnout than Hillary. Obama had 80 thousand supporters at his some of his rallies. Hillary had 8.

              • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/07/2008 7:49:55 PM

                The sad thing is you all probably think it is just a game. There is not telling who at the caucuses was for whom, it was just the loud ones who were heard and counted. Keep in mind those states he won will be going Republican not Democratic. The ones (large ones that she won) usually are Democratic, but this time you will probably see a change.

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/07/2008 11:14:57 PM

                  We do not think this is just a game. What do you take us for, Shadoe? This is serious business. Very serious, as in Iraq and our troops dying daily and wanting to live, and wanting to come home! They have a right to live! Do you understand? Maybe this is all a game to you, Shadoe.

            • Posted By: hotstuff @ 06/07/2008 5:38:48 PM

              Shadoe, get out of the shadows and see the light!
              THE GAME IS OVER!!!!

        • Posted By: cresent city @ 06/07/2008 3:32:58 AM

          how can you say that? he never said he was fighting for the africa-american vote that he took at 92% like sen. clinton said she was fighting for blue collar women vote. which the media let the whole world know it was white women and men. now all she has to do is state that.

          • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/07/2008 9:15:26 AM

            The Republicans have a tape of Michelle calling people Whitey (and she is with Louis Farrakahn). They are waiting until it gets closer to the end of the campaign and then are going to bring it out. When Obama was asked about the tape, he had no comment. Wonder why? His wife will be his downfall!

  • Posted By: cbaker31222 @ 06/07/2008 4:43:42 AM

    Wow, Eleanor, what a nasty bitter kick-her-while-she's-down article. You should be applauded for extraordinary cruelty and having a tin ear in failing to listen to the 17 million plus Clinton voters who are disgusted with self-loathing women like you.

    Get some therapy before you decide to pen such a mean-spirited and disrespectful article.

  • Posted By: jamis77731 @ 06/08/2008 9:25:18 PM

    Obama won the nomination because he had a plan tailored to win based on the Democratic Party???s proportional delegate system. He won fairly by following the rules, using his money wisely, and having a campaign staff that wasn???t fighting all the time.

    Clinton chose a losing strategy by ignoring the proportional delegate system, by constantly changing her message, by mis-spending millions of donations, and by having a constantly fighting staff.

    No one took anything from Clinton that she had won. To say otherwise is sour grapes, and makes democrats look like whiners, whenever they lose.

    When people weren???t falling in line with Clinton, HRC had a tendency to use, an often bogus, gender card, and to want to change the rules of the process in mid-race to benefit her. In the waning days of the nominating season Senator Clinton used words to make her followers as bitter as possible. It would be a shame if Clinton had embittered her followers enough to throw the win to McCain in the fall, ensuring that this nation continues with a crappy health care system, a crappy energy system, and a crappy response to the debacle in Iraq. More is at stake this fall then someone???s wounded pride.

  • Posted By: vakosh @ 06/08/2008 10:29:09 AM

    BO did not make history ... they gave him the election just like they did Bush ... nothing historical there.

    • Posted By: Eire52 @ 06/08/2008 9:12:20 PM

      Enter Your Comment

      Actually, yes, Senator Obama did win the election. Against a great candidate, Sen Clinton.

  • Posted By: USMC1980 @ 06/08/2008 1:39:56 AM

    Ms. Clift may be too dumb to recognize the 18 million people who support Ms. Clinton, but then Elenor has a history of being dumb, doesn't she. Ms. Clift hates Hillary for the same reason Maureen Dowd and Arianna Huffington do....she is a woman who unlike them, has actually achieved something in life. If I were Ms. Clift I would show Hillary the respcet that is due her, otherwise she, Obama and the rest of the anti-Hillary media, can kiss our votes goodbye.

    • Posted By: Eire52 @ 06/08/2008 9:05:30 PM

      Sen Obama is anti-Hillary media? So now you are holding Sen Obama responsible for everything the media says/writes about Sen Clinton?

      You're kidding right?

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/08/2008 10:23:31 AM

      I would not agree that Clift, Dowd and Huffington haven't accomplished anything in life! A lot of people were tired of the Clintons. Hillary's speeches were largely about herself, how far she'd come, how many voted for her, how great it was to be out meeting people, how great it felt ... Obama, by contrast, focused much of his talk on the people, their wants, their needs. By the time Clinton figured this out, it was too late and her candidacy got a lot stronger towared the end as she found her voice.

      I like Hillary and hope she will get a chance to be VP or take on some other important and prominent role. Her campaign was admirable, and she proved to be a really competitive candidate who appealed to so many voters. I think it will take time for her supporters and for some of Obama's to see eye-to-eye. But we should all unite against the dummy Republicans who think everything is going just fine. Mediocrity is not permissible any longer - we can't afford to waste more time with do-nothing politicians. Tha's what McCain would be.

  • Posted By: paulte @ 06/08/2008 8:46:54 PM

    In any event, it's good to see Hillary lose! Now she can get on her broomstick and fly back to Oz! Once there she can send her winged monkeys to attack Obama back in the real world! "Fly, fly, bring him back to me so I can boil him in oil! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

  • Posted By: WAMETRIA @ 06/08/2008 5:51:34 PM

    i for one am GLAD Obama WINS THE NOMINATION.... Cliton is stuborn and hard to work with and has too much pride even more than a men of all nationalities. i think Obama should not choose her a s his running mate it would be like asking a hungry wolf to dinner when you only have one plate of food for her but the wolf wants everybodies food and will cause a disturbance if she does not get her way. Stuborness, rudeness, meaness have no place in politics if you are working toward an America for change. Hiliary is too old and stuborn to change. OBAMA IS THE NEW FRESH LOOK AND VOICE OF CHANGE and adding her to FRESHNESS will SPOIL THE WHOLE PROCESS. SHE IS SOUR, SHE LOOKS SOUR,, TALKS SOUR, ACTS SOUR AND THEREFORE IS SOUR. LIKE LEMON HEADS!!!

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