Crawling Through the Wreckage

TO ALL HILLARY SUPPORTERS

You???ll recall it???s McCain???s lobbyist mistress,Cindy then his wife, Vicki Iseman, who caused McCain to cheat on his second wife like he did on his first wife and You Women convinced John is McCain the Good Moral example on every Americans families values to be Presidential Candidate?He dumped his first Wife Carol Sepp,when she was cripple by car accident,then cheat on her while they still married,Well, could it be because ???principled??? politicians such as John McCain joined the dog pack to impeach Bill Clinton for his sexual peccadilloes?. As for the supposed affair, that???s no one???s business except for Vicki Iseman, John McCain, and his wives. The invasive prying into Bill Clinton???s relationship with Monica Lewinsky by the media and Congress was despicable, and this is no better, despite any short-term satisfaction of seeing what comes around go around to bite the Republicans in their collective ass. Problem with McCain is for him to get done his agenda in 2000 of lobbyist and campaign finance fraud all the forces would be against it and they would expose his transgressions???we need someone above politics.

To all those who would shift their otherwise Democratic vote to McCain in some effort to 'punish' Obama and some unidentified cabal that 'denied' Hillary the nomination, I can only point out this:
Unless we not only get a Democratic White House but also an unassailable Democratic majority in Congress, the last chance to avoid the crackup will pass us by.
Thirty five years of Reaganomics combined with irresponsible spending by Republicans for purely political and crony-capitalist purposes, have led this country to the BRINK OF INSOLVENCY. It might be argued that the 'govenment is bad and must wither away' Leninist-Republicans have sought this outcome all along - there is no way this government can provide a public pension scheme, a medical plan for the elderly, and a few of the other things an industrialized democracy might like to have, without some serious and painful changes. Only a majority government can accomplish that. If you stay home, or vote for McCain out of spite of some sort, what you most value is doomed.

A common theme for many Sen. Clinton supporters is the mistreatment that Hillary was forced to endure during this campaign. While both she (and Sen. Obama) were on occasion treated with disrespect, much of it unfair, all in all this was a remarkably civil campaign. The greatest irony is that now a segment of her supporters plan to protest this "disrespect" by flocking to the party whose core constituents HATE the Clintons. Those Clinton "supporters" who plan to kick all of Hillary's most cherished ideals into the gutter by embracing McCain and the Republican party would do well to remember that these are the very same people who had prepared a dossier and dirty tactics galore to use on "our Hillary" this Fall. The Republicans will welcome and exploit you for their own purposes and then laugh all the way to the bank at your gullibility.

I have a suggestion for all the Clinton supporters who say they are going to vote for McCain. Go to the following website address for the Wall Street Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/public/page/election2008.html?mod=2_1309

At the top of the page, you'll see cartoon charcters of McCain and Obama along with a link that says "See An Interactive Graphic." If you click on that link you'll see a very easy to read summary on the differences between McCain and Obama on various topics. Remember, with the excpetion of health care, Clinton's polilcies are very similar to Obama's. Even on health care, Obama's policy is closer to Clinton's than McCain's.

Try to take a moment and put aside any emotional response and read the differences for each topic. When you're finished, ask yourself objectively and without emotion who's policies you agree with more. If the answer is Obama, then try to at least keep an open mind as the campaign plays out. With emotions still high, no one expects you to endorse Obama at this point - just try to keep an open mind and focus on the policies rather than the personalities, because that is really what is most important.

Just a suggestion.

Seriously? This is the dialogue? Conspiracy theories and hate speech? This is America? You people commenting are completely INSANE! It's like reading a bathroom wall in middle school! Where's the informed, thoughtful commentary? I'm surprised most of you people had the attention span to read the article! If you people actually vote, we really are doomed.

I am a Hillary supporter and always will be. Her speech was generous and a "definite class act." However, I will not endorse Barack Obama because of the same reasons I have always endorsed Hillary. He lacks experience; his cries of "change??? are just that cries, not a real commitment to realistic concrete goals; his politics is an outgrowth of Chicago politics which is not as clean as it should be; and he is simply not "grounded enough" to be the leader of this great county. I can not vote for McCain but I also won't vote for Obama even though Hillary has urged me to do so. My reply is "Oh no, I won't go!" I just hope and pray that before the convention in Denver, the super delegates, pledged delegates, and voters finally realize that Hillary is the best person to lead our country and right the wrong that the present endorsement has perpetrated!

HRC supporters - it hit me tonight that we can do something constructive to show our displeasure regarding the outcome of the Democratic primaries. Unfortunately, I saw Keith Olbermann say that if Barack loses, it's all Hillary's fault. I was in absolute disbelief. I've sent MSNBC e-mails, etc., but to no avail.

So, here's my idea. Let's set up Operation Payback (Nins - you get credit for the name after thinking I was involved in Operation Chaos). As of today, I've cancelled my subscription to Newsweek and will NEVER watch MSNBC again. My relatives have done the same. If we hit these media outlets who have so mistreated Hillary in the pocketbook, maybe we can at least address some of the anger we're all feeling.

Obama supporters - do us all a favor and stay out of this with putdown comments. I think that this gives HRC supporters something we can do that is constructive and places blame (at least from my perspective) where it is due.

Hillary supporters - what do you think? If we pass this along to our friends, families and post it everywhere, I think we can make a difference. Both to salvage some of the hits Hillary has taken and to make sure that the next female candidate gets treated fairly.

Can America afford John McCain, which will be like having a third Bush Term in the White House? VOTE OBAMA 08!

Oh yeah ... he won't take money from lobbyists but he'll steel any election he can get his hands on.

Clintonites--

Let's say HRC does take this to the convention, causing a rift in the party....

Who do you think will be blamed (right or wrong) if McCain wins? What if he carries women and "Reagan Democrats" along the way?

How do you think the male chauvinist media and party leaders (whom you blame for her loss) will react to the NEXT female candidate?

I'm no Clintonite. I lost a lot of respect for her during this race. But I will be the first one to tell you that women candidates will feel the backlash for the next 20 years. And no, it will not be right. It will be totally wrong, completely sexist, and absolutely unfair.

Which is why, were she should play the game. Be unnecesarily gracious, overly humble, bend over backwards to prove there are no hard feelings. She could parlay this into a seat at the head of the DNC (Dean is weak....FL and MI proved it), a position as an ambassador, or even a (gasp) Supreme Court nomination (hey...it could happen!).

Evidently, however, the big picture is a concept lost on Clinton and her supporters.

Your statement that "if the Democrats had the same winner-take-all rules as the Republicans, she'd be the nominee" is somewhat dubious. The correct statement would be "if the Democrats had the same winner-take-all rules as the Republicans, *and neither candidate adjusted their campaign strategy to take this rule change into account*, she'd be the nominee"

Sen. Obama's strategy (build up huge margins in the caucus states, while simultaneously work to reduce Sen. Clinton's margins where polls had her up by 20 even if it won't win him the state (e.g. Pennsylvania)) was designed specifically to take advantage of the Democrats delegate allocation system. Conversely, Sen. Clinton's strategy of ignoring states where she was losing by large margins was far more appropriate for a winner-take-all primary than for the actual primary rules.

Obama would have run a different campaign in a winner-take-all race, and you can't really just look at who won each state in the actual election to see who would have won in this type of election.

Here is to hoping that Hillary's supporters will not vote for McCain out of spite or anger that Obama beat Hillary. Obama and Hillary are identical on every issue except Iraq, which Hillary had supported and Obama has opposed. If you want the laws, and bills passed that HIllary would have passed, than your only hope of getting those things done is Obama. And for those that claim he's racist? Remember he's half white, and he was raised by his white grandparents, that made him the man he is today. We all have pasturs who say things we disagree with, don't we?

Reality Check:

source: http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=1316
Pew Research Center's latest report as of May, 2008 (95% level of confidence):

General Election, all voters:
Obama vs. McCain -- Obama 47% - McCain 44%
Clinton vs. McCain -- Clinton 48% - McCain 44%

General Election, independents
Obama: 44% / McCain: 44%

Clinton: 44% / McCain: 46%

General Election, Democratic voters (McCain as opponent):
Obama: 80%
Clinton: 81%

Favorable view of the candidates, all voters:
Obama: 51%
McCain: 48%
Clinton: 47%

Interpretation:
1) For your talk, Clintonians, the truth is you are no stronger against McCain than Obama. Since the level of confidence is only 95%, the best you can say is that you are even with Obama in the race against McCain.

2) "We're voting McCain" -- blah blah blah. You will cost Obama maybe 1% of the total democratice vote. If HRC runs, however, you could cost the party 2% of all independents. Given the number of independents, an HRC campaign would likely represent a net loss in the general election. A 95% level of confidence, however, means this is a statistical tie. In other words, you're risking HRC's political career (outside her NY senate seat, anyway) and historical legacy for a statistical deadheat.

3) People Hate Hillary. Both Obama and Clinton have seen their numbers drop over the last 2-3 months (read the full report). This coincides with Clinton's negative (I mean, "aggressive" and "tough") attacks on Obama. Despite all this (or, perhaps, because of all this) Obama remains the candidate with the most favorable ratings nationwide.

In conclusion:
I'm sorry you lost, but you lost. Losing is part of life. Deal with it. Blaming Obama for sexism in the media won't change anything (yes, there was sexism; yes, it was blatant; yes, it was disgusting; and, no, it was not Obama's fault). Demanding that Obama and his supporters grovel and kiss your butt won't change anything (it's just not going to happen). You've already soured your candidtate's reputation....do you really want to risk her standing as a party leader too?

I said it before and I'll say it again, it astounds me that people are incapable of seeing beyond the ends of their noses.