The Great Mentioner at Work

Strickland, Warner, Webb, Schweitzer, Kaine, Clark, Dodd, Nunn, Sebelius. Who does Barack want?

By Jonathan Alter | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Jun 16, 2008

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  • Posted By: lunamoon @ 06/20/2008 9:20:04 PM

    Dear Jonathan Alter,
    Again tonight you said on MSNBC's Countdown that "...one thing that can stop Obama from getting to the White House is a terrorist attack."

    Why do you, as an analyst, insist on surmising that a terrorist attack would hurt Obama's campaign and help McCain's?

    Wouldn't a terrorist attack unfortunately and vividly demonstrate that the Bush/McCain war on terror did NOT work, is NOT working, and will never work?!

    I am mystified, and frankly disturbed, at your continued wrong-headed reasoning on this particular hypothetical.

    If, God-forbid, there would be a terrorist attack before the fall general elections, I and all rational Americans would blame the Bush/McCain Iraq policy!

    Joanne Gordon
    Princeton, NJ


  • Posted By: cadbury @ 06/20/2008 4:18:38 PM

    Whoops! Make that VoteBoth.com (not .org)

  • Posted By: cadbury @ 06/20/2008 4:02:58 PM

    Rationale for Obama/Cinton in 2008--from Ed Kilgore on VoteBoth.org:

    While there are plenty of qualified Democrats -- and even Republicans -- available to Obama, none is without handicaps, risks or shortcomings. Edwards and Strickland have taken themselves out of the running. Many feminists consider Jim Webb unacceptable, and many gays and lesbians feel the same way about Sam Nunn. Mark Warner's running for the Senate. Daschle's been a lobbyist. Biden's been a Washington fixture for 36 years, and supported the war resolution. Like Sebelius, Daschle, Nunn, Evan Bayh and Brian Schweitzer are from states no Democrat is likely to carry. Bayh or Dodd would immediately lose Democrats a Senate seat. Sherrod Brown's not a very unifying figure. And Al Gore excepted, none of those mentioned have been endorsed by 17 million-some-odd primary voters.

    I could go on, but you get the idea: There ain't no easy running mate. Those who are so quick to dismiss the unity ticket have an obligation to come up not just with a better idea, but a better idea that can command broad support in the party. It's obviously Barack Obama's choice, and his choice alone, but he should remember that this is one year when a united Democratic Party will have an overwhelming advantage in the general election. That's a change we can believe in.

  • Posted By: hcarrillo29 @ 06/20/2008 2:57:25 AM

    Some people are trying to make it look since Obama altready "won"lo tet things go or at least pretend that we are "united". When blacks run Jesse Jackson in the nineties and he won a good chunk of the popular vote and his share of the popular vote did not reflect in the number of delegates that he got, then they did their home work, and their leaders started screamijng to the Democratic party no the take the black vote for granted and indeed,some blacks switched to the Republican Party and some States changed the rules to benefit the black constituencty, so Obama is harvesting now the benefits of that struggle. The question is why do we have to chastise women and Latinos for asking the same questions that blacks was asking in the nineties?.. What we see now is evil white leaders using blacks (Kerry, Kennedy,Dashle,Edwards) to maintain the white denocrat status quo at the expense of women and other minorities. I wonder if the Presidency of the United States is worth it when it comes as a result of that kind of back stabing!!.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 1:02:10 PM

    Hey Deep Hole Moron Have you heard of LOL? other than Hahahaahah? also have you heard of .. don't bother.

    • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 2:57:27 PM

      Have you heard of - Parva leves capiunt animas - BWAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........

      • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 3:53:36 PM

        amazing.. are you trying to show you are not norom?

        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 4:08:29 PM

          "Duh...marsha say you not a real norom..duh..."

          • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 9:12:34 PM

            THank you alvy, old friend .. that was a simple IQ test..

            • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/17/2008 7:12:42 PM

              What does being a Mormon have to do with anything?

        • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 4:10:54 PM

          What the hell does this mean? Answer the question - a little Latin should be no problem for a "Professional" making a $150 "grant" a year.....

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/15/2008 7:13:20 PM

    Quote of the Day........' My friends, we live in the greatest nation
    in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try
    to change it.' -- Barack Obama
    W.T.F.WHY CHANGE IT ......... ITS ALREADY THE GREATEST NATION !!!!! DUMB ASS OBAMA !

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/17/2008 7:09:59 PM

      Because it isn't a race in which we are content to simply be better than other countries. The point is to always strive to improve, a concept completely alien to a conservative.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/13/2008 11:06:42 AM

    Oil prices are high because of the following factors..with America's waning clout middle easterners don't want to sell so cheap anymore. Republicans want to give the big oil the green signal to look for resources locally and democrats want to screw Republicans. Republicans (and probabaly later Obama) will give a leeveway for American comapanies by giving big tax breaks for finding new oil and improving infrastructure. We are poor spectators. Nothing is going to change till the dust settle down.

  • Posted By: Hopeisalive08 @ 06/11/2008 12:45:03 AM

    Obama supporters-- please do me a favor if you truly support Sen. Obama -- stay off the blogs insulting or inciting Sen. Clinton's supporters. They are angry and disappointed and there's nothing you can say right now that's going to do anything other than tick them off more. Sen. Obama is going to run a great campaign, standing for the policies and values most closely espoused by Sen. Clinton. But now is not the time to talk about that-- it's rubbing people's noses in it. Congratulations to Sen. Clinton for her tenacity and achievements this year. I know if Sen. Obama had lost I'd be feeling lousy too.

    • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/11/2008 1:39:22 AM

      I really appreciate your effort and others have tried before you but this is where we're at. I've been blogging here for maybe 2 weeks and it's just gotten worse. I tried initially to be civil but rarely received it back so I've joined the club. Just am not going to take the insults any longer directed at me, HRC or her supporters.

      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 4:12:20 PM

        You started with lies and you're still lying.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/13/2008 2:27:58 AM

          Your still on the DL.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 4:11:23 PM

      Her pant suits were great. And with Bills support, SC, the sniper and the whiskey, she fought a good fight.
      She's a real hero. Hope he keeps her around in some capacity.

      • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 4:17:52 PM

        I've got news for you, I hope she sticks around too, the stand-up commedians are near suicidal - she was half of their acts...

        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 4:31:16 PM

          Oh, the hair man. Priceless.
          I just want to see the comedy skit after Bill got back from SC.
          Or, the skit in January 08 with her saying "kill them all - I lead by 20%, and I'm queen of the world!"

          That skit would be grant - erhahh - grand.

  • Posted By: Clemency @ 06/12/2008 11:45:29 PM

    I have read both of Obama's books as well as both of Hillary's. Both of these people are good people. I prefer Obama because his speeches resinate better, my 12 year old daughter said his speeches gave her goose bumps. If he can motivate the young and the old and is moral and ethical he can lead this country to greatness again and unite the people of this country and the people of the world. He will, and so we Obama supporters will need Hillary's support and efforts to color this country blue from sea to shining sea. We backers of Obama; Democrats or otherwise will do well to speak well of all Democrats who hold office. I for one am sick of the bickering. I want to hear the facts, plans and visions of what both McCain and Obama have to offer and I don't want either of them to have to defend themselves against lies or other BS that only confuses the voters. If your going to say a negative about any canidate let it be an unbellished fact about policy that will affect the american people and not a comment about what some preacher or other uneducated fool made out of hate or lack of whit. Please just the facts as it pertains to the canidates ability to successfully execute the powers of the office of the president.

  • Posted By: steelers1 @ 06/12/2008 1:33:18 PM

    LIKEITIS,

    Your incredibly childish and and sexist comments give a clear view into the only way that Obama can lose in 08. I am voting for Obama in Nov, but I can tell you without a doubt that there are Obama supporters out there bordering on megalomania that are going to cost him votes. You probably cost Obama votes right now with your ridiculous posts. You are a great supporter. Good Job!

  • Posted By: WhenStarsTurnBlue @ 06/11/2008 8:46:57 PM

    Gov. Ted Strickland already stated he refused to be Obama's VP. I'm thinking not too many people want the job. I doubt Hillary would want it when she still stands a good chance at 2012, and if she's on the ticket this time, she might be the scapegoat for Obama losing. People are already starting to blame her and throw her under the bus. They just don't realize Obama is not that ideal of a candidate. Look at how reluctantly her supporters are moving to him. Obama is not a unifier, he's a divider just like Bush. He can't even keep his own party from becoming fractured. How is he supposed to get anything done if elected President if he can't do anything for his own party now?

    • Posted By: cferns1530 @ 06/12/2008 2:37:28 AM

      You doubt Hillary will want it? It's not in her hands to want it. Obama was trying to unify even Republicans and Democrats to raise common causes. She has backed him and no matter how many ignorant ones choose to go for McCain, they know their efforts are futile and they, as democrats are the ones dividing the party by not accepting a loss...fairly. He ran the best campaign and that why he's proven that the CLintons are beatable and their old tactics do not work. Its funny that some Clinton supporters want hope for 2012 when they throw away their votes just cos they cant accept a loss...a loss of old politics.

      • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/12/2008 9:21:08 AM

        try the Sameulson column Mcbama.

  • Posted By: pugs @ 06/10/2008 10:58:21 PM

    Gee don't you think Obama can win without Hilary supporters???
    That is our point we want him to win without them and if he doesn then step aside in 2012 and let her do it the right way.
    Many of us don't want McCain but we want Obama less. Remember that is how Bush won last time the Dem Party failed to give us a great candidate. Of course we can all agree to diasgree and in Nov lets see what happens. Of course if Hilary was on the ticket, well we might be more so inclined to support the ticket because then we would get 16 years of a Democratic President.

    • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 11:06:47 PM

      Like it or not, he WILL be getting most of them. Maybe not you, but "you" are not 18 million others - get it?? He does not need all of her supporters - just enough. Let's review, shall we?

      1) He will get all of his supporters 18+ million - why would anyone who supported him so far, leave now?
      2) Let's say he gets 9 million of her supporters (this is probably low, but just to make the point)
      3) He is on track to get 65-75% of the Independent votes - if you can believe various polls
      4) He is also projected to get 10-15% of the Republican vote (surprise, some Repubs are NOT in love with the idea of 4 more years of Bush).

      How many voters do you suppose McCain will get?? Registered Democrats outnumber Republicans, add in the above and can you please tell me how McCain gets a victory.......hmmmm??

      • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 9:06:50 AM

        Deep hole, get a job you imbecile. Don't get fatigued by b;logging. Get a real job.

        • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 11:06:13 AM

          HAHAHAHA - I own two companies - I have a job - I can hire you, if you are bored with your car-washing gig. How is your comment relevant to my post above, cretin........hmmmmm??

          • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 12:42:38 PM

            2 companies? right one running your home and the other running your first wives... may be cleaning comany.. come on.. deep hole. I am a professional, probably more educated than you and make 150 grant a year. If you make any thing above that range, you should be hard core liberal to support Obama or of course his own race - brother.

            • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 2:55:13 PM

              ummmmmhmmmmm, you're a "professional" making 150 "grant" a year - that's why your posts are rife with typos, non-sequiturs and innane reasoning. You most assuredly, are no where near me in any dimension whatsoever- intellectual, financial, educational or rational. Have a nice day in fantasyville - say hello to Dr. Seuss, Horton and the Cat in the Hat, while you are at it.

              Wait for it....wait......BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

              • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 3:57:58 PM

                That is fine for me.. I don't have to satisfy you when I take a minute to post a comment. . I am not writing essays, thanks.. ... I am going back to "your" fantasyville. Bye deep hole/

                • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 4:07:20 PM

                  Not bye, yet - the grass behind my summer home has not been cut - you will not be earning your $7.35/hour, if this is the quality of work I will be getting from you - "Mr. Professional"

                  • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 4:17:42 PM

                    Summer home?

                    Hahahahahahaha!

                    Sniff, marsha you're killin' me...
                    ...Hahhahahahaha!

                    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/12/2008 9:17:32 AM

                      and the grass behind.. LOL

                  • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 4:20:44 PM

                    Marsha didn't qualify for broom-handler yet - go slow.

                • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 4:15:01 PM

                  Please stay gone this time marsha. 150K? You?
                  Hahhahahahaha!

                  Snort...

                  Hhahahahahahaha!

          • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 4:13:15 PM

            Wittle marsha is angry.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 1:06:25 PM

    Newsweek, and liberal MSM, did anybody notice that actually Fox is getting more visitors now? People are tired of the bias. Trying to paint everything so dismal... economy, war.. blah blahh.. The same time mortgage banks working to get Obama to white house. It is a win win deal.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 4:07:37 PM

      Marsha you are so helpful.
      Did you spend your stimulus check on deodorant?

      • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 9:13:48 PM

        no Alvy ... did n't get it..... they discrimnated against us..

  • Posted By: flamingo123 @ 06/10/2008 4:52:12 PM

    I supported Sen. Hillary Clinton in the last Primaries and I have no problem voting for Sen. Obama comes General election. But I do have problem with Obama's supporters, please stop bashing Sen. Clinton. She conceded and out of the race. If Obama will lost in the presisential election, it will be your (Obama's supporters) fault. Your arrogance and radical attitude will bring him down.

    • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 4:58:50 PM

      No, if he does lose it will be due to the Klintonista crybabies who won't support him because Hillary lost and they need a whipping boy and Obama is going to be it - deservedly or not.

      • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/10/2008 6:40:06 PM

        Deepeye - grow up - in 5 months you still want to blame Hillary? What a wimp. It show you're already afraid that the great Obama can't carry the Democratic party of which he is now the leader.

        • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 9:16:31 PM

          I don't need to "grow-up" but you sure need to "smarten-up" and that's a tall order for the ex-Klintonistas, I'm finding. I never said Clinton will cost Obama the election, it's more complex than that. However, her insistence on prolonging the election agony served only McCain's agenda, no one else's.

          Obama will easily carry the party - want to know why? The hatred the Clintons have cultivated for years has finally come home to roost. Did you notice the legions of "former Clinton supporters" who abandoned her??? Ever ask your self why??? HAHAHAHAHA - The Democratic party is beyond exhaustion with the Clintons and Obama's vision is contagious and persuasive.

          No, my little shortsighted friend, times, they are a changin.' No more room for the Clintons, no more time for old-style back room corruption and lies. Obama now, a new way......

          • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 4:25:27 PM

            They just won't let go. But deafman is phony. A rep.

          • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/10/2008 9:42:15 PM

            Deep eye - the only Democratic president who has won 2 terms in 40 years is Bill Clinton because he stood for economic growth and peace. Your moronic process has cut off all of the people who are grateful to the Clintons that at least there has been some period in our lifetime that has been positive. Run with the great Obama. The Republicana already have multiple new attack ads in the can from the Great O's many long-term affilations (try Senator Meeks from IL just to name one -check out youtube). When this is all over, you'll wish you hadn't alienated the HRC supporters because without them, Obama lacks the tenacity and guts to overcome the gutter politics of the RNC. Good luck and glad to be off the Democratic team (as it relates to President)..

            P.S. Still not voting for McCain but writing in HRC. Either way, I know it pisses your kind off.

            • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/10/2008 9:45:35 PM

              Deep eye - just one other aside - if the Clintons are so bad, why does your hero need them on the campaign trail? Can't he win on his own?

              • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 9:57:20 PM

                I am certain that at this stage, Obama could take or leave her. He needs her supporters, NOT her - get the distinction. He is trying to mend the rifts in the party that SHE created. The party is BIGGER than any candidate - get it??

                • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/10/2008 10:02:22 PM

                  Hey deep eye - your hero wants them both on the trail with him (bill and hill) - get it? The HRC supporters for the most part have gone ba bye as so many of you have requested. Great luck in the fall.

                  • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 10:09:50 PM

                    Thanks - send your loser some more money - I understand that she's still waiting for her loyal stooges to bail her out of her $20 million campaign debt....You still didn't read my post - or you cannot comprehend the point - or is English not your native language?

            • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 10:06:25 PM

              You most asuredly, cannot "piss me off." You are much like the miniscule gnats that fly around the elephant's a$$ in the savanah, not even at the level of a bother.

              Economic growth???? HAHAHAHA This has become a particularly durable lie and sadly, is neither supported by the historical facts nor has any basis whatsoever in traditional economic science. Taking credit for something that they did not do, adds another element of damage to the Clintons already demolished credibility. The economy runs in up/down cycles - the mathematical models that attempt to explain its behavior run into thousands of variables and even then, no one can fully describe or predict what it will do or when it will do it. No one, not the Clintons, Bush, Obama, McCain or candidate "x" can dramatically impact it. Sadly, the expectation that there is a "magic button" that a president can push and improve the economy is just a charming fairy tale for children and the uneducated. Nevertheless without fail, the Clintons trumpet their purported ???positive effect" on the economy. Bill merely caught a high cycle in the 90s economy, no more, no less.

              Peace??? HAHAHAHAHA - if Billy had pursued bin Laden with the same vigor and intensity that he pursued women for sexual gratification, September 11th would be just another ordinary day in America.

              Pi$$ your vote away however you please - but cutting your nose to spit your face is truly childish - aren't you the one who told me to "grow-up??"

      • Posted By: Hopeisalive08 @ 06/11/2008 12:48:28 AM

        STOP THIS. I'm an Obama supporter and you embarrass me. Please folks, realize many posters are not who they say they are and the McCain camp wants nothing more than to rile relations among Democrats. Thanks to Sen. Clinton for an amazing race -- she made Sen. Obama a better candidate and raised many issues that will resonate during the next 8 years.

        • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 11:36:18 AM

          How did Clinton make Obama stronger??? I really need to understand this. She unnecessarily prolonged a contest that she was mathematically eliminated from back in late April/early May. She forced him to continue to engage with her when he should have been able to direct his focus against McCain. She and her campaign staff used every sleazy trick in the book to paint him as inexperienced, unready, untested, even casting dispersion about his religion and patriotism. How, how exactly did she "help" him??? This is like saying - "boy, I'm sure glad I have cancer, I'm much, much healthier and stronger now...."

          • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 4:24:31 PM

            Dopeisnotdead is the newbie impostor.

  • Posted By: ihatejonathanalter @ 06/11/2008 6:40:44 AM

    Oh Jonathan, you must be ecstatic about your man, Obama winning. Congratulations. Even though the contest is over, you stil must feel that Hillary Clinton needs to be "put in her place". She really is an "uppity woman", isn't she? Does she scare you, still? Clinton has never lobbied for the VP seat and we all know that whatever happens in regard to that, she will be blamed somehow on the final outcome. If she is offered the VP slot and doesn't take it she will be accused of taking her marbles and going home, if she is offered it and takes it, she will be accused of trying to do an inside job on poor vulnerable Obama. I am SO sick of your negative comments about Clinton, just because you decide to write something about her doesn't make it true.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 4:09:21 PM

      The same applies to ducking.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/10/2008 3:36:03 PM

    Anything but American and Christian: Read a REAL STORY from PTI: Spread around :
    Obama seeks Hanuman???s blessing for presidential race
    Press Trust Of IndiaPosted online: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 2236 hrs Print Email
    New York, June 9 : It???s unusual. But, it???s a fact. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic party???s presidential nominee, is seeking the blessings of Hindu god Hanuman in his battle for the White House.


    The 46-year-old senator from Illinois, who defeated his rival Hillary Clinton in an epic 17-month long electoral battle for Democratic party nomination, carries a ???tiny monkey god??? apparently representing ???Hanuman??? with him for good luck.

    A recent photo posted on Time???s White House Photo of the Day collection shows the first ever Black-American nominee of a major US party for the Presidential elections carries with him a bracelet belonging to an American soldier deployed in Iraq, a gambler???s lucky chit, a tiny monkey god and tiny Madonna and child.

    That ???tiny monkey god???, of course, appears to be a statue of the Hindu monkey god

    • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 4:39:06 PM

      This is about the most idiotic post I have ever read on any subject at any time. This is even below Holy Roller's rants and lunacy....glad to see that the McCain camp learned nothing from the Clinton failures against Obama.

      Yes, by all means, please keep posting these fascinating "facts" that reveal the "inner darkness" of Obama...what a fruit loop.....

      • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/10/2008 7:27:57 PM

        well carrying a monkey god with him for charm? how nice. WHo is more idiotic you or your Messiah?

        • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 9:31:04 PM

          genius - for YOUR information, I carry a Star of David emblem on a keychain that a friend gave me, I AM NOT JEWISH. I have a small statue of Buddha that another friend brought back from Japan, I AM NOT BUDDHIST. I also have a copy of the Koran and have read it, I AM NOT A MUSLIM.

          You however, ARE A MORON.......get it????

          • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 9:02:05 AM

            Well, apert from having a copy of Koran, everything else points to that you are the new age guy.. a chamaleon like your leader and I think your momma did not teach you how to hold on to your values.. if she had time between... switching men.

            • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 12:03:12 PM

              oh, and by the way, sniveling JACKA$$, leave your comments about my family unsaid...'k? Just shows the pathetically vile character and class you have.

              • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 12:54:24 PM

                Guess your type don't care about "class", and you don't care about the country either. You are after either the liberal ideas or supporting your brother. Who care about your family? You should think about it when you start calling bloggers idiots. Respect all people?

                • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 3:06:44 PM

                  I have zero respect for anyone on this or any board who starts making comments about someone's mother -$hit-sack...

            • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 11:46:40 AM

              Wrong again - have fun in summer school. My simple point, which you do not grasp is this -
              Having a charm, idol, statue, chit, whatever - means what, exactly?? Does it mean that he is a pagan, that he is a devotee of that religion or belief system?? That he follows and subscribes to those beliefs and value systems?? What, what does it mean??

              I will try one last time. The values that I was taught are - respect ALL people - respect ALL religions, even those that are not your own. I still have strong values, but they are NOT in conflict with having a Koran, Buddha, or any of the other things that I have accumulated over the years....get it, now?? You can be a christian - doesn't mean you need to slam muslims or their beliefs, you can be Jewish, doesn't mean that you are in conflict with Buddhists....'k?

              Life is not an "either or" proposition - it's a continuum - try to expand your thinking a little.

              • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 1:00:21 PM

                You have showed that you don't respect anybody. So stop with that. Truely, Christians don't think that Koran and Gita are equal to NT. Nor do we carry little demon gods. I have seen more Muslims than yourself. But I am not sure if a Muslim is the the right one to be US President. All these points that you were giving me do n't apply to a true Christian and that is exactly the value system that you are missing.

                • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 3:04:08 PM

                  you're right - intolerant bigots and a-holes crank me up good. If you had half a brain, you would understand that the major elements and core of christianity ARE also found in the Koran - imbecile. Your "little demon gods" are the icons of somone else's belief system and are just as valid to THEM as yours are to YOU.

                  It's trailer park trash like yourself that gave us 8 years of Bush...

  • Posted By: pugs @ 06/10/2008 10:27:10 PM

    Go McCain!!!
    From 18 million Hilary for Pres in 2012 supporters!!!
    Lets see Barack win without us!!!

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 1:04:01 PM

      unfortunately Mccaine is lagging.. of course all because of Great Bush, who had a chance to fix things. Now we have to take this extreme liberal with a dem majority... take away everything and don't give any services.. it will be fun 4 years.

    • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 10:48:25 PM

      HAHAHAHA - do you REALLY believe that all 18 million of Hillary's supporters are going to McCain? There are many, many bright people who voted for her - they DO understand that McCain is four more years of Bush.

      You are funny.....

  • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 2:56:32 PM

    Clinton would be a hideously poor choice - Webb would be much better, Dodd, Graham, Kerry are all reasonable - hell, even Pelosi, if she were interested. The point is, pretending that Clinton is the ONLY alternative is myopic and patently false.

    I am exhausted from Clinton fatigue - let them both return to NY, Arkansas, or wherever it is that they claim to be from and spend their $109 million and leave us in relative peace for once in the last 20 years. She brings entirely too much baggage to the ticket as well as providing no obvious advantages (please, spare me the 18 million voter argument....'k?)

    • Posted By: brian.reach @ 06/10/2008 3:39:24 PM

      I think the fact that you mentioned Kerry and Webb as good choices shoots your credibility out the window. Any Obama supporters should drop the Hillary-bashing. I've never seen so many "sore winners" in my life. Well.... minus the Republicans... hmmm...

      • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 4:19:13 PM

        Not about "sore-winners" at all. She is a unusually weak choice, plain and simple. If she were absolutely the last cookie in the jar, I might, at a fantastic stretch, say, "go with her." She is not the only alternative available and pretending that she is, undermines the argument that there are better, more qualified options available - get it???

        • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 10:52:44 AM

          who the f are you to tell anybody "go with her?" I think you are very deluded about your abilities.

          • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 11:54:04 AM

            who the f are you to question what is just my opinion?? Most assuredly, I am not deluded about my abilities - others with far, far more talent than I have, have confirmed and validated them....'k?

      • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/11/2008 9:04:57 AM

        deep eye is one those liberal avatars who believe they know better than anybody else.. about anything... except for real values of life. He says that he is fatigued from Clintons... who is he? May be he needs to find a job.

        • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 11:52:22 AM

          Hardly liberal at all - more middle of the road. Your posts show a serious disconnect from understanding the "real values of life" yourself - you might want to expend a little more time thinking there.

          Yes, I and about 57% of Americans are also "fatigued from the Clintons." See, we see them for what they really are, in fact, most of us knew what they really were back in the 90s -we're part of that "educated elite" that she so vibrantly despised.

          I have a job, I own two companies - if your Burger King career is tanking, I will consider you for some openings in my Fl plant...'k?

  • Posted By: pugs @ 06/10/2008 10:01:18 PM

    I don't thnk he will win without her either but I sure would love to see him try because that would open it up for her to try again in 2012. And I do think the 18 million people that voted for her would vote for her all over again.

    • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/10/2008 10:04:35 PM

      Pugs - you're right on.

      • Posted By: Ezana @ 06/10/2008 10:18:08 PM

        You enjoy those fundamentalist judges and say goodbyr to Roe V. Wade along with what's left of this countries economy. If Obama does lose this she'll be remembered in 2012 as the one who messed it up for the democrats with her low ball tactics, shifting standards/goal posts (she AGREED not to include Michigan and Florida) and race baiting. But you're right, frustrated bloatedf baby boomer housewives DESEEEEERVED to have Hillary in the white house. ESPECIALLY after ALLLLLLLLLLLLL she's been through....I know it's hard to let go after you've felt her pain. Incidentally I defended her tooth and nail in the 90's but she lost me with her tactics this time around. I she campaigns for Obama and has some success great! That shifting ethical compass can be used for the greater good, but nobody deserves anything but the person who played by the rules and won. I hope he chooses Biden or Webb!

        • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 10:22:06 PM

          Ezana - you're right on. Know what's really funny?? She brought ALL of this on herself. I was convinced back in January that she had this election all wrapped-up - wha' happened?

          • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/10/2008 10:27:16 PM

            Ezana and deep eye - you're so behind the curve. HRC supporters no longer want Obama to select her as VP. Let him win on his own. Any\d by the way, since you're all so big on Roe v. Wade which was part of the Baby Boomers movement, most of us are either too old or too smart to have unwanted babies. So I could care less if that changes for you ungrateful younger women. Win it again on your own.

            • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 10:43:00 PM

              Thanks, we intend to. Obama was the candidate who was not supposed to "have a chance" - remember? Hill had it locked up. Let's fast forward to now......hmmmmm, she's all gone, he's still here....

              McCain is the one who is scared - believe it. - I'll let you in on a little secret - want to see Obama's strategy? Sure, I'll show you.....I checked with Barack and he said it would be OK. Here it is:

              He will ask Americans if they are happy with where we are and where we are going (Reagen used this approach to devastating effectiveness against Carter). Since 82% of Americans agree that we are in the dumper and going down, they will say - "NO, Barack, we are unhappy and very, very sad."

              Now onto the fun questions that Barack will propose:
              1) If you would like to continue on with four more years of failed policies, plans, strategies, same old/same old, a weakened global perception of America and a war that drains our resources daily, then vote for my opponent, John McCain
              2) But if you want to change this death spiral, come away from plans and strategies that do not and will not work, really make a new way for America, then, please vote for me.

              McCain, try as he may, cannot divorce himself from Bush and his tremendous tactical and strategic failures. He even took his endorsement - that was brilliant. I know I want to be endorsed by a witless loser with the lowest approval rating of anyone since the metric was first established. This baby is already over if this is a preview of McCain???s strategy in the Fall.

              • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/10/2008 11:49:22 PM

                Deep Eye - Any respectable Democrat should win in a landslide and yet O is statistically tied with McCain according to his pals at MSNBC. They've already conceded FL and 39% of HRC voters are not voting for Obama. What you all don't get is that this has turned into a civil rights movement for women. If O had been disrespected and abused in the same manner as HRC, blacks would have also been angry and made this a cause. Women were there for minorities - now we're here for ourselves. Does that help you get it? Short-term pain for long-term gain.

                • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/11/2008 11:27:53 AM

                  Still missing the point and badly, I might add. Obama won this - we could argue narrowly, but he won nonetheless. Hillary's campaign was a dismal failure - tactically, strategically, financially, psychologically - on any reasonable dimension that you would like to choose - this was NOT Obama's fault nor was it some broad, male dominated sexist conspiracy, it was Hillary's fault and the nitwits that she surrounded herself with who developed her campaign plans....'k?

                  Polls at this point mean NOTHING, they will fluctuate throughout the summer - Obama up, Obama down - McCain up, McCain down. Whatever ANYONE is saying now with respect to who they will be voting for in November is essentially useless as a predictor. Your argument assumes that people will not change their minds (highly unlikley) and because all of her supporters are livid now and unwilling to support him, they will never support him in November - invalid and illogical.

                  This was no "civil rights movement for women" - grow-up will you? The only defining characteristic that she had with respect to her "core constituency" was that she and her were both female...get it?? Obama and Hillary's visions and plans are almost identical, even they admit this themselves. There are millions of women who voted for Obama - know why? They perceived him as the better candiadte and rejected her argument that she was better. Would these women haved preferred that Hillary had been a better candidate - undoubtedly yes, but she was not and she proved this at every turn in the election.

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/10/2008 6:43:59 PM

    Hey HRC supporters - we do not want HRC as VP. I used to want that until I heard from all the Obamatrons (minus a few gracious people like olderwiser and nins). Let Obama lose on his own so he/they can't blame HRC. There is a new PAC being set up for all the HRC supporters. I'm checking it out as we speak. If it's legit, I'll report back.

    • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/10/2008 9:45:21 PM

      This is sad, desperately sad - she lost, you need to let go, seriously. Reminds me of the personality cults of Kim il Jung and Stalin...scary, sad.....

      • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/10/2008 11:51:12 PM

        deep eye - I am gone - at least as it relates to Obama. But not yet ready to exit the stage from all the Obamabots who are all over the HRC supporters.

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