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There is, McCain says, 'a right change and a wrong change.' His general-election case, in his own words.

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  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 06/08/2008 11:03:59 PM

    The WRONG change??? Whats this we have now?? the new 8yr change, or are we just out of change, due to Bush/Mccain in DC???

    • Posted By: Pearl Harbor @ 06/09/2008 2:25:54 AM

      Yes, wrong change. It's always wrong to make "drastic changes" in the make up and structure of our system especially at times like this. I would hope for Hillary to win Democratic Nominee. At least either one of them, my beloved country's system remains in tact. Look at 2004, those Republicans holding both White House and Congress maintained the status quo and order maintained by both Republican and Democratic leaders of the past who might be bickering, both their general interests are centric.,... meaning the same.... MARKET-DRIVEN ECONOMY. Your Nominee-select Obama's viewpoint are fundamentally SOCIALIST. A Young leader (46) with attraction to young voters have been the main ingredient of most cruel, deviant imperialists such as Hitler, Mao Tse Tung.... you may even call your very own JFK who went to war in Vietnam without any valid cause .... no 9/11.

      • Posted By: realist66 @ 06/27/2008 11:13:45 AM

        I'd agree that it would be the wrong change, because it's only aimed at the 17% of socialists, or communists as I like to call them in the U.S. However as time goes on I see Obama is no different than the clintons, ted kenedy, Kerry, Gore, and Edward, just another rich empty suite.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/20/2008 12:52:14 PM

    TYLER - The price of oil swelled to another record high Monday morning - before dropping back. It almost hit $140 a barrel - but then fell 25 cents. It appears - a recent increase in oil output from Saudi Arabia -- is not driving down crude prices. Former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, who started a bipartisan group called "American Solutions for Winning the Future" held little back at the Texas Republican Convention. He wants to use American solutions to change to the U.S. energy policy.

    Simply put - he's fed up with Congress: "The problem is not big oil or the foreigners," said Speaker Gingrich. "The problem is not the Saudis. The problem is getting Congress to do it's job." And that job, he says, is to start using the energy we have. "Congress outlaws every conceivable energy source," said Speaker Gingrich. Gingrich is making his case for domestic drilling by launching a campaign with Actor Chuck Norris, with the slogan: "Drill here, Drill now, Pay less." The campaign is urging Congress to do something now to bring down gas prices. Speaker Gingrich also has thoughts on speculators. "It's people who are betting the U.S. is too dumb to produce (its own oil)."


    He sides with East Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert -- when it comes to speculators and drilling. "If you began selling off two million barrels a day...we can pump out of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. It would immediately bring down the price of oil." Speaker Gingrich proposes selling off half of the reserve - now. "Do it suddenly..without telling anybody in advance and punish every speculator."The very speculators, he says, that are betting against America."

    GO TO WWW.AMERICANSOLUTIONS.COM AND SIGN THE PETITION !!!

  • Posted By: sirhc @ 06/19/2008 9:37:05 AM

    1. HOW IS MCCAIN NOT BUSH III? HE VOTED WITH BUSH 95% OF THE TIME!! WHO THINKS BUSH WAS RIGHT 95% OF THE TIME?! HE AGREES WITH BUSH TAXES, ABORTION, ECONOMY, DRILLING, THE WAR.......ETC. HIS "SUBSTANCE" IS TOXIC.

    2. IN 2001 YOU HAS A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, CONGRESS AND EVEN A REPUBLICAN LEANING SUPREME COURT-THE COUNTRY WENT DOWN THE TOILET IN THAT TIME-QUICKLY

    3. NOTICE HOW THE GOP ALWAYS IS TRYING TO HELP THE TOP 1%.
    NOW THEY WANT MORE DRILLING TO PUT MORE MONEY IN THE OIL EXEC. HANDS?
    WHICH WOULD KILL CALI AND FLA TOURISM,
    REFUSE TO DRILL ON LAND THEY LEASE SAYING IT;'S NOT ENOUGH BUT IT'S ENOUGH FOR 10 YEARS WORTH OF OIL,.
    IT'S NOT A SUPPLY AND DEMAND ISSUE -WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH. IT'S THE SPECULATORS(CAME INTO POWER WHEN GOP HELPED ENRON) AND THE OIL EXECS WITH THE PRICING.
    EVEN IF WE DRILLED EVERYWHERE NOW -YOU WOULDN'T SEE A PRICE DIP FOR 5-10 YEARS AND BY THEN THE OIL EXECS KNOW WE WILL BE MAINLY ON ALTERNATIVE FUEL-SO THEY ARE MAKING A MONEY GRAB NOW.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/18/2008 1:16:25 PM

    America has ALREADY voted for change! They were going show Bush in 2006! And we sure got CHANGE!

    Before Democrats controlled Congress:

    1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high.

    2) Regular unleaded gasoline was $2.19 a gallon.

    3) Unemployment rate was 4.5%.

    Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:

    1) Consumer confidence plummet.

    2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.00 a gallon.

    3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase).

    4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses).

    5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars; 1% of American homes are now in foreclosure.

    6) Oil was 63 dollars a barrel the day before the newest congress convened. It closed last Friday at 126 dollars a barrel. That is doubled for those with fuzzy math.

    7) Economic Growth for the 4th quarter of 2006 in GDP was 3.5 percent.

    8)1st Quarter 2008 0.6 percent.


    Remember it's Congress that makes laws, not the President. The President has to work with what is handed to the Administration.


    realism4u2

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/16/2008 1:46:06 PM

    Dear One, I agree with you about the horrible social conditions in Iran. I have two things to say about that. One is, Americans need to be VERY CAREFUL not to let the religious right wing take over the Supreme Court, considering that Iran shows you what it really looks like when a nation fails to separate church and state. The second point is that WE, the USA, put those nut jobs in power by placing the Shah in power then controlling his government as a puppet, which infuriated the Iranian people. The Iranian people rebelled against such imperialism, and in the middle of this secular political rebellion, the Ayatollahs seized power. Not to mention the very cogent fact that WE, the USA, gave Iran their first nuclear reactor. Oh, yeah. We forgot all about that. Now we are threatening to bomb them for possessing technology that WE gave them?

    And what is all this nonsense about Iran attacking Israel? Iran has been at war with Iraq for decades, and never succeeded in even taking over a neighboring province. How are they going to fight a long distance war with Israel? Iran does NOT have significant military force to back up a nuclear strike, even if it were stupid enough to indulge in one, even if it already had the warheads, which it does not.

    And ask yourself, who has strengthened the religious fanatics that control Iran? The USA. First, we give them nuclear power, then we set up conditions for the Ayatollahs to seize power, then we plunge Iraq into civil war and destroy Iraq's infrastructure, which effectively disables Iran's greatest enemy. Furthermore, Bush refuses to have diplomatic relations, only worsening the situation. And McCain threatens to bomb Iran, which is even stupider (and much more real) than Iran threatening to bomb Israel. We have no one but ourselves to blame for the horrible situation in the middle east.

    VOTE FOR OBAMA to end all this needless drama.

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/16/2008 11:51:42 AM

    SHARENEWS!

    BELOW IS MY RESPONSE TO YOUR REPLY TO MY POST. SEE ALL BELOW.

    re: Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/12/2008 6:39:00 PM
    Comment: This was posted on another site by a Clinton supporter. I thought that it was interesting;

    Good morning PUMAS!

    a couple things before I start printing flyers
    John McCain is starting to make me very nervous???Even George Wil-big GOPer-says a vote for McCain is a vote for war with IRAN-and make no mistake-JM had a call w/his fundraisers-he plans to over turn Roe V wade???this is not BO propaganda-Hill said it herself-repeatedly.

    and after reading thishttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

    I will NEVER vote for McCain. I hope I don???t upset too many PUMA???s with my opinion. I will fight for Hillary???but not for some guy whose only qualification is that he was tortured???off to print my flyers and get 25 people to this site.

    Have a great day!


    Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 19:11:03
    Comment: SJ, Hillary supporters have the right to explore the Puma option / site. Are Obama supporters like you THAT desperate to actually write a fake blog like you just did above and say it is something that lives on the www.blog.pumapac.org site? This is pathetic. Are Obama supporters that threatened about Obama not getting elected in the fall to resort to this tactic? Sad, very sad.: - (

    Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 6:54:27 PM
    Comment: HILLARY SUPPORTERS:

    Wednesday, June 11, 2008
    Democratic Disenfranchisement: The Final Report
    The Final Report: Democratic Disenfranchisement

    http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/06/democratic-disenfranchisement-final.html

    NOTE: Hillary Supporters, beware. Obama supperters are so desperate about this site ( www.blog.pumapac.org ; check it out) being available to us Hillary supporters that they are now starting to make up posts they say are on the above mentioned site; check out Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/12/2008 6:39:00 PM blog below. SJ, shame on you.

    MY REPY: *** YOU! How DARE you accuse me of fabricating information. I have been on these boards for quite a while and have never never considered posting something that cannot be verified. Are you and your other minions so angry and pathetic in your victim role that you are unable to comprehend that someone who supports Clinton would make the choice to actually think for themselves and not follow your idiotic logic of VOTING FOR MCCAIN TO PUNISH THE US GOVERNMENT, yes I read quite a few of the posts on PUMA, and ALL OF THE MEDIA OUTLETS FOR NOT MAKING SURE THAT CLINTON WON THE NOMINATION. PHUCKING SICK! I ACTUALLY DEFENDED YOUR STUPID A$$. NEVER AGAIN.

    DONE WITH YOU!

  • Posted By: Ganpat @ 06/16/2008 11:06:42 AM

    For the record:

    After a whole week of unprecedented Media Harem woozing of Obama sycophancy, the Great God is ----dead even with McCain in the polls.

    No post-Hillary jump for the God.

    It's getting embarassing.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/14/2008 2:24:18 PM

    General Colin Powell, Republican and former Secretary of State, says he is not ruling out voting for Barack Obama. In a speech he gave last week in Vancouver, Washington, General Powell said that while he has served in the administrations of two Republican Presidents, his support for Republican nominee John McCain "is not a foregone conclusion." He also noted that although both he and Barack Obama are black, he would not cast a vote for the Senator based on race alone. "I will vote for the individual who I think brings the best set of tools to the problems of 21st-century America and the 21st-century world, regardless of anything else."

    A 35 year veteran of the US Army, General Powell also noted that he would not necessarily support McCain because of his military service.

    Don't forget that Rupert Murdoch, the Republican ultra right wing owner of Fox News has publicly come out in support of Barack Obama. Mr. Murdoch has predicted that Senator Obama will win the general election, because he says that McCain is "weak on the economy" and that with McCain as President "the recession would deepen into a depression."

    Even dyed in the wool Republicans are voting for Obama. Because he is the right choice. Because he "brings the best set of tools for the problems of 21st-century America."

    McCain's mind is still in the cold war era. But the old tactics don't apply anymore, because the world has changed. We need a leader who can cope with those changes, and help us to compete in the globalized economy.

    Republicans for Obama '08

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/15/2008 8:15:17 PM

      Re: Gen. Pow-wow

      Sorry folks! Like most of the NeoConvicts, Gem. Pow-wow jumped ship when things got tough regarding the war. Yet, like Snotty McCoward (author of Wuh Happin'), he was one of the biggest " 'W??? / Dick C" Kool-Aid drinkers until one day they somehow, someway, suddenly grew a conscience. Gee wuh happin'?

      So I could careless what either one of these traitors have to say now. They have lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned! So I hope he supports McGreen. Honestly, we don't need or want "ANY" of the cross-dressin' GOP traitors such as Rup. Murdork, Rusty Limbratt, Bill O'Wrighty, the list goes on and on. WE'RE DONE WITH "ALL" THE NEO-CONVICTS!

      PERIOD!!! YOU CAN HAVE 'EM!!!!!

      Apparently, these traitors have found their new and improved NEOCON-ARTIST'S!

      I just don't understand Dems sometimes, if these same folks were supporting the GOP Nom (JM), you guys/gals would be screaming at the top of lungs how these "W" cronies are still trying to maintain a stranglehold on America!

      How quickly Dems forget who the real NeoConvicts/NeoCon-Artists are!!!!!

      I would follow this post with LOL, but I'm dead serious! Some of you folks are downright naïve. Sorry, but it's the truth!

      Again, beside John himself, I'd be the first to admit that "HE" is not perfect. Who is? John will make mistakes once he's in the W.H. What Pres. hasn't? Bottom line, I'll take age and wisdom (McGame) over Sen. McGreen ANY DAY!!!! Any mistakes John might possibly make would pale in comparison to rookie mistakes.

      Now is "NOT" the time for America to be experimenting with a ROOKIE or On-the-Job Training! NO THANKS!!!

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/14/2008 2:47:01 PM

      I actually wish Gen. Colin Powell running for President.. . . Maybe next time, although he has stated in the past that he was not interested in the job.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/14/2008 3:42:04 PM

        I am quite confident that General Powell will hold a high ranking military cabinet seat in Obama's administration.

        I am equally confident that McCain will not appoint Powell anything. Colin Powell has been quite outspoken against the Iraq war, he even resigned his posts a s Secretary of State, saying that he could no longer support Bush's policies.

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/14/2008 3:19:04 PM

    Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim
    http://stuckon-stupid.com/2008/06/13/half-brother-malik-obama-claims-barack-was-raised-as-a-muslim/

    I guess good old Bro is going under the Bus now too.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/15/2008 7:33:03 PM

      Z, why should this matter at all? Muslims are human beings too. You're getting mean lately. What's up?

    • Posted By: raddave @ 06/14/2008 9:30:47 PM

      How would Obama's half-brother know what relgion he was rasied as? Seeing that his half-brother grew up on Africa.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/14/2008 3:36:53 PM

      Zombie, Barack Obama never even met his half brother Malik until three years after his father died, when Barack was in his mid-twenties. Malik never spent one instant with Barack as children, so how would Malik know anything about Barack's childhood?

      Furthermore, Malik recently was quoted as saying that he felt Barack would be a good President for the Jewish people, and that Barack would not take the Muslim side in the Israel/Palestine conflict.

      I haven't seen the website you mention, but I bet it is brought to you by Operation Chaos. The website is called "Stuck on Stupid" How very appropriate.

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/14/2008 3:52:44 PM

        Hey I got the link from RCP so if you have a problem with it then take it up with them.
        I really could care less what church Obama goes too, I don't let them all. I do question why he chose Trinity. Was is it for purely political gain? I would be ok with that but he could never say that now could he?
        Was it because he believe in it? Then that opens the discussion for the whole "AmerKKKa" debate.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/15/2008 7:26:51 PM

    Quote of the Day........' My friends, we live in the greatest nation
    in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try
    to change it.' -- Barack Obama
    W.T.F.WHY CHANGE IT ......... ITS ALREADY THE GREATEST NATION !!!!! DUMB ASS OBAMA !

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/10/2008 6:25:51 PM

    In fairness to McCain (his gaffe in my blog below) , OBAMA apparently had his own SPEECH PROBLEM last week when his teleprompter pooped out:

    It kind of told me Obama could not 'wing that speech' cuz it had real issues with solutions in them that he supposedly believes in whole heartedly. The teleprompter going fluky really threw him for a loop. It was captured on video. There are two clips on the left hand side of the page (scan down for the other) at this url: Apparently McCain isn't the only one with some 'oops' issues. LOL.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/06/07/more-obama-gaffes-media-will-ignore

    • Posted By: sebr01stl @ 06/10/2008 7:36:17 PM

      So, sharenews, now Obama's expected to MEMORIZE all the intricate DETAILS of entire speeches, not just the gists of them, just to prove that he wholeheartedly believes/supports waht he's saying? Do you expect McCain to memorize his speeches dwon to the last detail? I didn't think so. So McCain's gaffes have to do with not being able to read the teleprompter, Obama's with losing the teleprompter altogether, but they are to be compared as somehow the same? Really? Why does Obama have to show himself better to be considered equal, superior to be viewed as better? Age can't be used against McCain nor gender against Hillary, but race sure as hell is used against Obama, masked as uneasiness with inexperience and doubts about religion and patriotism. (Do McCain and Hillary always wear flag pins? I don't seem to recall seeing one always on the lapel of her pantsuits. Are their churches' beliefs being explored? No? No youtube videos there? I wonder why.) Whatever. You're getting really transparent, share.

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/10/2008 8:26:53 PM

        Yeah maybe he should...oh there's a thing called note cards he could use too. I'm sure Obama is smart enough to use those, unless his staff is to blame again.

        • Posted By: sebr01stl @ 06/10/2008 9:25:00 PM

          Maybe McCain should use note cards, since he's the one who can't read his teleprompter or give good speeches (lime green backdrops) - oh yeah, but then he wouldn't be able to read those either. LOL

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/10/2008 10:23:34 PM

            Why does Obama need a teleprompter anyway, how hard is it to keep changing "Change Change Change." Wasn't he some sort of lawyer or something?

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/11/2008 12:48:39 AM

              It's when you start adding in HOPE, HOPE, HOPE ; and then you are really pushing it when you add in more like FAITH, FAITH, FAITH. THATs when the teleprompter has to come into play with backup note cards on standby.

              Sorry Obama supporters, Nins, SJ, We are just having fun is all..

              • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/11/2008 1:39:45 AM

                lol Don't apologize to them. Have you heard any apology for all the hate they spewed about Clinton?

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/11/2008 7:50:23 PM

                  Yes, Z! You know we apologized many times. Go ahead, believe what you want to believe just to be on sharenews side, but deep down you know what the truth is.

                  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/12/2008 1:41:10 PM

                    Actually Zombie, i apologized too, and came out in support of Clinton for VP. If you want to verify that, go to some of the articles about Hillary, and check it out.

                    Um, but I have to ask why do you care, since you want McCain anyway?

                    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/13/2008 1:23:41 AM

                      I must have missed that somewhere along the way.
                      Actually I don't care, thats the beauty of it. I really don't care that you voted for Bush twice now want to make amends and vote for Barry. Great judge of character there.

                      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/14/2008 11:04:09 PM

                        I voted for the president twice too. So did millions of other Americans. Should all of us never be trusted again because of it?

                  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/11/2008 8:53:07 PM

                    No you apologized. No one else has. Notice how I never say anything bad about you? I always give you high remarks.

                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/11/2008 9:27:26 PM

                      I always notice, Z and I thank you. It's very nice of you.

                • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 2:13:02 PM

                  Still lots better than Lie, lie, lie, lie.
                  Like you idiots. Lie, lie, lie.

                  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/11/2008 5:04:54 PM

                    Have you come out of the closet yet? I'm sure you won't be so angry when you do.

                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/11/2008 7:52:28 PM

                      Z, I don't want to fight with you but you are making it very difficult for me to control myself. Stop with this closet BS against Alvy. You are dead wrong. Understand?

                      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/12/2008 1:23:37 PM

                        Dear Pia, it seems like Zombie is heavily on the rag. Maybe he lives in NYC, and has been getting irritable in the 105 degree heat?

                        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/12/2008 5:03:36 PM

                          Didn't you say something up top about how you don't do personal attacks?
                          Can you spell hypocrite?

                          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/13/2008 9:10:32 AM

                            Nins was probably joking, Z. Don't take it to heart.

                            • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/13/2008 8:50:02 PM

                              You don't have to defend her, she knows how to do it. I've seen it plenty of times. You know its hypocritical what she said. Call a spade a spade.

                      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/11/2008 8:51:30 PM

                        I haven't seen you tell Alvy to lay off? I like you but that is plain hypocritical to tell me to stop when you let Alvy get away with anything he wants.
                        I said in the Okla blog, if Alvy lays off and calls truce, I will lay off to. I'm calling it out now. So take it or leave it.
                        No matter what I'm going to attack Obama because thats the nature of these blogs anyway, but I have been civil with you. I tried to with Glimps again trying to have a debate on Social Security, she came back out with personal attacks. I'm throwing the truce banner out there, maybe you can broker some deal.

                        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/11/2008 9:26:02 PM

                          Yes, Z, you are right. I don't say anything to Alvy. You know why? Because he's going to do what he wants. Remember last week he posted to you about me having influence on what he said to you that day and that in the future my feelings weren't going to stop him the next time? My point is, I can't control Alvy but you can control yourself if you wanted to. Be yourself. You posting about A coming out of the closet is wrong and it's not being yourself. He's not but even if he was it shouldn't matter. I know he's not though.

                          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/11/2008 9:56:38 PM

                            Why thank you, i'll take that to mean, you think I'm a good guy and Alvy is an a$$. =)
                            Trust me I don't take anything G or A says seriously. I actually like reading them cause it makes me laugh, that people think like that. Please though don't be a hypocrite, if your going to talk me or other Clinton or McCain supporters down for attacking Alvy, then you better tell Alvy the same, even if he doesn't listen, it makes you the better person, I know you are. Otherwise let Alvy and Glimps do their own defending.

                            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/11/2008 11:48:14 PM

                              Zombie,1) A is not an @$$. 2) You're a good person. 3) Alvy and Glimps are good people too. 4) I am not going to fight with them. 5) What about my feelings?

                              • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/12/2008 1:28:43 AM

                                1) is subjective 2) thanks 3) Subjective 4) Then don't try to fight me cause I'm picking on them, they can fight their own battles 5) Do tell please......I wanna know.

                                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/12/2008 8:18:20 AM

                                  GM Zombie.

                                  4) I won't. 5) I can't.

                                  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/12/2008 5:04:46 PM

                                    4) Then don't try and tell me to stop what I'm doing because thats hypocritical.
                                    5) Hey you asked.

                                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/12/2008 9:04:30 PM

                                      Hi Zombie.

                                      How are you this evening?

                                      4) I promise you I won't ever do it again. 5) I wasn't asking. I was telling you about my feelings. You know who I mean. I have to be loyal.

                                      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/12/2008 10:04:09 PM

                                        4) good
                                        5) Hey what ever floats your boat.

                        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/11/2008 9:31:34 PM

                          PS Zombie, Don't take Glimps too seriously, she's harmless. I'll see what I can do about a deal for a truce, okay?

              • Posted By: Nins @ 06/12/2008 1:41:55 PM

                It's all good. Some times you gotta have a little fun.

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/12/2008 8:29:20 AM

              Civil Rights Attorney. I think.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/10/2008 7:50:56 PM

        You said it, Sebro.

        It doesn't matter though if they make the paying field uneven so that the old man can play too. You know what Michelle says about her husband: "Every time they raise the bar higher, Barack jumps right over it."

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/10/2008 9:03:01 PM

          LOL and my wife says I'm the nicest and smarted man she knows. Would you agree?

          • Posted By: Nins @ 06/12/2008 1:24:29 PM

            I'm sure that in her eyes you are.

            • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/13/2008 1:28:43 AM

              And I'm sure to some your the great person ever, then there are everyone else.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/11/2008 7:53:34 PM

            Yes, when you don't hang out with the wrong crowd here.

            • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/11/2008 9:58:34 PM

              lol you know I post more to you, alvy, glimps and Tired than any other posters.....so is that the wrong crowd?

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/11/2008 11:41:44 PM

                Of course you do. I was just trying to instigate. Sorry. Boredom

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/10/2008 9:43:07 PM

        Should Obama have to memorize every intricate word being discussed about an issue at hand ? No. Should he be able to 'wing it', as it was his Health Care Plan he was talking about? Yes. Or at least have a backup plan in place such as note cards listing his talking points to bounce off of to continue on with his speech in a smooth manner should the telepromper not work. It is obvious that when it comes to discussions of substance he is dependent of teleprompters. I just found it surprising that is all. He is human after all. Just thought he would have been more prepared in a situation like that.

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/10/2008 6:41:32 PM

      Obama's gaffes are charming. McCain's gaffes are senile. You're funny, share.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/10/2008 6:49:05 PM

        I dont like either one of these candidates but Im going to have to choose the lesser of the evils. Or maybe Bob Barr. I was kinda embarrassed for Obama though cuz he really was thrown for a loop.

        • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/10/2008 7:01:31 PM

          Don't worry about him too much. He's doing just fine. Up 8points in the polls!!!! Jump on bored, share.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/10/2008 7:07:28 PM

            I'm trying . Not there yet.

            • Posted By: Nins @ 06/10/2008 8:35:11 PM

              Any time you are ready, I will throw you a party!

              • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/10/2008 9:48:58 PM

                You never know, Nins, I may take you up on it. I do want to go the democratic route. Just want to be comfortable with that decision and Im not there yet. : - )

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/11/2008 9:32:43 PM

                  Newsie, that's great to hear!

            • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/10/2008 7:17:08 PM

              Maybe if you would stop with the "giving Hills the finger" lie, someone would believe you.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/11/2008 12:53:12 AM

            Well good for Obama. I mean it. I have no stake in this race yet to get miffed about Obama being ahead. Im more in research mode for all candidates running. I do not believe I could resort to not voting at all like some Hillary supporters have said, but respect their right to do so, although it would be ashame to waste a vote.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/10/2008 8:31:12 PM

    Concerned, you know that Obama is only going to raise taxes on corporations and wealthy individuals, which is how he is going to get the money to fund his initiatives. He is going to LOWER taxes for the poor and the middle class.

    Obama's social programs (the extent of which you over-exaggerate, of course) are DIFFERENT from the past social programs of the tax and spend Democrats. Obama's education program, for instance, has an economic goal in mind, to train thousands of scientists and engineers so that we can compete in the information technology, research and development world markets. It is obvious that we can no longer compete with manufacturing and heavy industry -- China, India, Mexico and Brazil have knocked us out of the box on that one, for good. Obama wants America to come up with the best alternative energy technology on the planet and thereby free us of our dependency on oil. Furthermore, when the oil runs out, we will have all the energy technology, and will be selling energy to the OPEC countries, instead of vice versa. Obama's education plans aren't so your kids can make art projects on the taxpayer's dime. This is real planning on how to strengthen America. INVEST IN OUR PEOPLE rather than give tax breaks to corporations that ship our jobs overseas.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/10/2008 10:21:29 PM

      Wasn't your main argument against the "Gas Holiday" that the oil companies would just raise prices to compensate for the tax burden? What do you think the Corporation will do when Obama taxes the hell out of them? You think they will take in the rear from the government and give more money to R&D? Or will they raise prices, cut R&D funding to raise their stock prices? 99.999% will do the later.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/11/2008 12:17:51 AM

        The main argument against the Gas Tax Holiday is that it has been done before, and failed. The gas companies simply kept the price the same, and pocketed the difference, the 20 cents per gallon (or more, depending on where you live) that comprises the tax. The corporation had no need to raise the price, because the government effectively lowered it for them, without lowering it for the citizens who were supposed to benefit from the Holiday.

        A good President can control the markets for the benefit of both the corporations and the people, and would intervene if corporations became greedy. Bush failed miserably at this.

        And, as usual, Zombie, you are ignoring the important thing I said (about how Obama's social programs spending will strengthen the economy), and instead changing the subject to something unrelated.

        Seriously, Z, I know that you are not stupid. How about if you debate me on the issues I post, and I will debate you on the issues you post, and you can stop playing this bait and switch game?

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/11/2008 12:55:51 AM

          I tried that once. You went on a copy/paste jihad but never came back around to answer any of my questions, when I had to go around 4 boards answering yours.
          Yeah I didn't comment on them because I could really care less. Its a difference between letting the Markets correcting themselves or have the Government try to do it for them, both have worked to an extent and both have had epic failures, that of course it subjective to what ever brand of economic theory you subscribe to. And really I could care less what you have to say about it because all I care is what McCain and Obama have to say about it.
          I think you forget that I'm really a Dem, have been my whole life. I am pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro amnesty for illegals, but I'm also anti affirmative action, pro gun, pro death penalty. A lot of Obama's stances I agree with. But they aren't his stances, they are DNC platforms that were established before he started running My issues with Obama, is the lack of any record of him endorsing those stances until it became clear he was running for President.. Like his gun control questionarrie, I'm I to believe that the Man that chides anyone that voted for the War in Iraq for not reading the intelligence report, which depending on weather you think Bush had some vast right wing conspiracy spun the intelligence on not only the US, but France, Germany, and the UK, that obama didn't read his questionare and just let one of his staff fill it out. Then goes and blames his staff for all his mess ups?
          This election I'm moving more to the center. McCain isn't the typical GOP nominee, he is much more centered than Bush but of course the Dems don't want to acknowledge it because their whole strategy of tying McCain to Bush would fail and McCain would sweep into office. Instead the Dems are going to take pages out of the GOP play book, by smearing McCain calling him a traitor (just like you did) while propping up a man that wants to have Presidential Level talks with Anemiacrazyhead.

          • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/11/2008 5:21:36 AM

            Touché Z! Hey Nins, looks like "Z" just left the mark of Zorro across your usual Fluff and Stuff post. Bottom line is ... I don't care if one is a Dem, Repub, Independent, Libertarian, etc., I can???t help but respect and comment on a good point or counter-point!

            Okay Nins, don???t pull a BO w/o a teleprompter on us now: Ahhh, uhhhh, umm, well, let me think here, breathalyzer, no uhhh, I inhaled like Bubba, no no sorry inhaler ... errh ... well

            I???M JUST GLAD YOU???RE FIRED UP!

            Smile Nins, I still luv ya for converting me!

            • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/11/2008 5:02:33 PM

              Thanks. I'm still waiting for a Nins response.

              • Posted By: Nins @ 06/12/2008 1:20:45 PM

                I am always happy to provide any information you ask for, and have answered your posts above. However, I have lots of other things to do and don't always have time to go looking things up exactly at the moment you ask. Nor do I just hang around on line, waiting to answer your replies. You know, you could do some of this work for yourself, if you really care.

                You might notice that even though your posts to me are pretty angry and personally attacking, I always respond to your actual concerns about the political issues, and try to ignore your invective. Since you are always asking me to do things, I would like to ask you to be polite, and to stick to the issues. Thanks.

                • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/13/2008 1:20:08 AM

                  Oh I'm sure you can find any number of yahoos that will support anything you want to say. I suppose it doesn't matter to you about whether the source is credible or not.
                  Yes you never make personal attacks ever. Must be some other Nins right? Something about being on the rag?

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/13/2008 9:09:29 AM

                    Lol! I'm sorry, Z. You can't be... you're a guy. Lucky.

                    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/13/2008 8:42:32 PM

                      Ha you know what she said because she said it to you. She is a hypocrite for saying that she never goes for personal attacks and two posts later does a personal attack.

                      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/14/2008 1:18:12 PM

                        I'm sorry, Z. Don't worry about it though, Nins didn't mean anything mean. She's a very decent person.

                        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/14/2008 2:57:16 PM

                          I'll have to take your word on that. Besides I'm not worrying about anything.

                          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/14/2008 11:01:50 PM

                            Yes, do. Nins has proven time and time again that she is a good person.

                      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/14/2008 3:24:22 PM

                        Dear Zombie, you are right, I did say that you were "on the rag." Please note that I did not say that to YOU, I said it to Pia. You were very angry in your blogs that day, and attacked Pia, who is the sweetest person in this forum. She didn't deserve it. To HER (not to you) I said that you were on the rag, in other words, "Don't take it personally, Pia, he is moody today and acting that way to everyone."

                        I really am sorry that I said something that offended you. I was being flippant.

                        Are you sorry that you tore into Pia for no reason?

                        And I promise you that if you will stick to debating the issues without obfuscation, i will be even sweeter than Pia.

                        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/14/2008 3:37:39 PM

                          Oh an apology? I guess you don't read all the posts with me an Pia, I like her she is a good girl even if I don't agree with her on Candidates. But as a blog-friend, I'm just trying to hold her accountable for her posts. I don't want to see her go down the path of Alvy or Glimps because then I won't be able to post to her nicely anymore. You see what I mean? Its not attacking when you call a friend out on BS is it? Cause then we definitely have different opinions on friendship.
                          And don't worry, I don't know how many times I have to say it, but I don't take offense to anything anyone posts about me on here. It usually just gives me a good laugh.

                          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/14/2008 11:00:30 PM

                            Zombie, I appreciate your kind words and concern. Very, very nice of you, but I don't deserve praise. I'm not good. You know why... no.5. But I can't help it

                        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/14/2008 10:55:29 PM

                          Nins, I thank you for being so kind. I don't deserve it.

          • Posted By: Nins @ 06/12/2008 1:16:57 PM

            Dear Zombie, thanks for clarifying your stand on the issues. As I have been seeing lately, you and I have many similar views. We just happen to support different candidates.

            I do not believe that McCain is a moderate. At certain times in the past he has espoused both moderate and liberal views, but for the past four years he has positioned himself as a member of the conservative right wing. Maybe this is just a ploy to get that powerful faction of the GOP to vote for him. and maybe he is more moderate in his personal beliefs. But I can't take that to the bank, because he has changed his views so many times. Where does he actually stand? And if the answer to that is "in the center," will he carry out a centrist agenda as President, or will he have to repay favors to the conservatives who got him elected? I don't know the answers to these questions, and neither does anybody else.

            In regards to Obama, it is normal practice for any politician to have his or her staff fill out surveys and questionnaires for interest groups. They receive thousands of questionnaires per year, and can't possibly fill them all out themselves. Do you think that he should type all of his own letters too? Maybe he should have to be his own sound technician, cameraman, and cut his own hair, too.

            I did not "smear" John McCain when I called him a traitor. A "smear" is when the perjorative information is NOT true. McCain collaborated with the enemy. TRUE. McCain himself admits that in his autobiography. Collaborating with the enemy is considered TREASON under military law. TRUE again. So it is not slander, because it is true. If you want to say that I'm "Little jerk" for bringing it up, then by all means do so. But I think that the public has a right to know this about McCain.

            And you don't have to "go around to four message boards" answering my posts, unless of course you really have the burning need.

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/11/2008 5:03:09 AM

      Nins, what's Sen. McGreen's (BamBam) definition of the Middle-Class. GIve me some numbers. Heck I know, but why don't you post your great numbers and stats like you always do for everybody else to see.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/12/2008 12:58:24 PM

        Dear Concerned,

        The working poor are families that make less than $50,000 per year, who would be eligible for certain tax credits. I am not sure what the individual level is.

        The middle class tax credits have different income levels depending on which tax credit you are talking about. For instance, the mortgage tax credit is given to families making up to $150,000 per year. Other initiatives are for families making up to $200,000, and some have an individual cut-offs of $100,000.

  • Posted By: cowen123456 @ 06/12/2008 8:14:00 AM

    Vote Mccain in November - Its a matter of character. sincerely, a HIllary supporter.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/12/2008 8:26:27 AM

      Let's do talk about character, shall we? McCain's character= 1) cheated on his ill and crippled 1st wife and then divorced her because she wasn't going to recover and of course couldnt handle that. Talk about a cop out. 2) Calls his second wife a despicable word. 3) A shame. I used respect him for being a war hero until I learned of this.

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/14/2008 3:57:51 PM

        I though you said you admire him?

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/14/2008 9:39:02 PM

          Yes, I used to admire him until I found out these things about him. I still see him as a war hero but I can't get past this.

      • Posted By: cowen123456 @ 06/12/2008 3:41:10 PM

        Wow, if you believe these rumors on Mccain then I guess you must also think Obama is a machurian candidate planted by Hamas to take over the US and turn it into a radical islamic society. Hmmm, vote for a man who divorced his first wife or vote for a manchurian candidate spy that will destroy the country.....hmmm, decisions decisions....

        • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/12/2008 5:39:52 PM

          Actually, cowen, these claims are all fact. McC apologizes for most of his past humiliations in his book. I could give you references if you like. Let me know...I'll be happy to provide. Unlike Obama, whose scandals are all rumored and based on "guilt by association", McC has admittedly failed the test of character throughout his life. From cheating husband, to soldier-turned-traitor, to financial fraud.....McC's past WILL disappoint you. But don't take my word for it.

          • Posted By: Nins @ 06/13/2008 12:52:49 AM

            Well said, Boogie, and God's honest truth. I really think that if McCain supporters read McCain's books, they might not like him as much anymore.

        • Posted By: Nins @ 06/13/2008 12:51:34 AM

          Cowen, I think you are confused. The Manchurian Candidate was tortured and programmed to carry out a communist agenda in the US. McCain, because he was tortured by the Commies in Vietnam, is often referred to as the Manchurian Candidate. You have the wrong man.

          That nickname is odious, no matter who you apply it to. I think it STINKS when people say that about McCain (even though I don't support McCain). I also think it stinks when you say that about Obama.

          Get a life.

        • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/12/2008 9:37:03 PM

          Beware of WRIGHT-WING Conspiracy. The Boogeyman lies within .... LMAO!!!!

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/12/2008 4:30:03 PM

          Cowen, after this latest ridiculous post of yours accusing Obama of being a Manchurian candidate planted by Hamas, I not only laugh at you, I also give you some much needed advice. Talk to someone. Preferably on a couch.

      • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/12/2008 9:03:10 AM

        Where's HolyRoller when we need him? I know he loves BO, but what about Johnny "Mac Daddy" McCain?

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/12/2008 9:24:25 AM

          GM CC and how are you?

          I wonder where my pal HolyRoller is lately. I hope he's okay.

          BTW, I know what IR is. I was just playing.

          • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/12/2008 10:49:00 AM

            Otay cutie! I always enjoy reading your post. Now I may not agree with them, but you're very articulate and you speak (well write) with passion!

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/12/2008 11:10:33 AM

              Why thank you. You do pretty good yourself, gray sideburns and all. Gentlemanly and distinguished.

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/13/2008 10:22:22 AM

    This keeps getting better and better............Oh, happy days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    "The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Barack Obama attracting 47% of the vote while John McCain earns 40%. When ???leaners??? are included, Obama holds a five-point advantage, 49% to 44%. These results have been remarkably stable since Obama wrapped up the Democratic Presidential Nomination just over a week ago."

    Wait, there's more.............Let's not for get the Gallup national......

    "The current political landscape, with the percentage of those identifying themselves as Democrats outnumbering those who identify as Republicans by a 37% to 28% margin, provides a significant advantage for Barack Obama's presidential chances."

    Last, but not least......

    "Barack Obama now holds a statistically significant edge over John McCain, 46% to 39%, among independents nationally."

    The GOP better find a dead hooker in his trunk, b/c this other b*llsh*t is not working!!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/13/2008 10:57:27 AM

      Hey BoogieShoes! Believing in Lib-Bias Polls is the same as believing in the Tooth Fairy and/or Easter Bunny. Would you like a rotten egg? LOL!!!

      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/13/2008 12:06:34 PM

        Sooooo, the Gallup, Rasmussen, and AP are all lib-based? You're the delusional one.

        But, denial is one step closer to acceptance. Good luck w/ that!! LMAO!!!

        • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/13/2008 12:57:05 PM

          Hey Boogie, all I know is that during the early stages of the GOP race all the freakin' BS POLLS had McCain in second or third place behind Rudy G and Mitt Rom.

          Gee, I guess somehow, someway, Johnny ???MacDaddy??? McCain pulled off a miracle in the end ... haha. Yeah, and I too believe in the Tooth Fairy. Heck, every step of the way the left and rightwing media was anxious to put the final nail in John's political coffin. But no! The War Hero hung tough! God bless him!

          And what about your messiah? If I'm not mistaken, wasn't HRC always ahead in the EARLY POLLS in just about every state. Then as the primes neared, in each respective state, all of a sudden BO would close the gap rather quickly. Gee I wonder why?

          I tell you why! 'Cause the darn things are rigged! The behind-the-scenes ???Power Players??? did their best to rig the polls in the Dem Queen's favor---but it just didn???t work!

          BO supporters ignored the rigged polls and went out and voted anyway. And the rest is DEM-KAT ... H-I-S-T-O-R-Y!

          But I hate to rain on your parade or be the bearer of bad news ??? hehe.

          But do ya really think that America is going to elect a "GREEN SENATOR" from nowhere to be our next CIC?

          DON???T THINK SO!!!!!

          • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/13/2008 1:18:05 PM

            Like normal, EVERYTHING you just ranted had absolutely no base, no merit, no credibility, and NOOOOO possibility of proof-checking. Just the assumptions of a right-wing conspiracy theorist. Geeeez...I thought liberals were bad. *chuckle*

            But, since rational thinking individuals research facts, numbers, data to support our claims, the national polling system is the closest barometer of public opinion. And, since your guy is LOSING in that rational system of public opinion........i wouldn't expect anything less than for you to continue your path of denial.

            But, do what you gotta do!!! Whatever helps you sleep at night. And, YES, Obama will be the next POTUS. There's no way a traitor and his crackhead wife will ever get elected.

            • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/13/2008 1:25:13 PM

              Don't worry the Muz will eventually come-out of the closet! I think he's in there looking for his flag pin. LOL!

              • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/13/2008 1:36:15 PM

                BTW I think I here your messiah calling you:

                Luke ... come-over to the DARKSIDE!

                Now that's creepy! LMAO!!!!

                • Posted By: Nins @ 06/14/2008 4:00:19 PM

                  Oh, but Luke didn't come over to the dark side. Instead, Darth Vader realized that his commitment to war and anger and violence had alienated him from love, and from his son, Luke, who in the end was a better man than his father.

                  If you want to make a Star Wars parallel, I would cast John McCain, the aging military war monger with anger issues as Darth Vader, and cast the young idealistic Obama as Luke.

                  {Just playing, of course, and you started it}

                  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/14/2008 4:54:49 PM

                    Well Luke did go over to the Dark Side during Palpatine's resurrection.

                • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/13/2008 2:28:36 PM

                  When you can no longer produce a valid argument, turn to babbling attempts at satire, and sarcasm.

                  You're doing better, kiddo. One step closer to acceptance. LMFAO!!!

      • Posted By: raddave @ 06/14/2008 1:37:26 AM

        They are biased on because they do not show the results that you like.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/12/2008 1:50:33 PM

    One blogger wrote that he thinks we should help our economy by nationalizing the big oil companies. But oddly enough, I think that we already have nationalized big oil. Our government is a big oil machine, even fighting wars to further the oil industry's interests. Geo Bush Sr. and his son Dubya are Texas oil tycoons, and they have run the country for 12 of the last 20 years. They deregulated industry as well as banking, allowing big oil and the war to become a huge cash cow for themselves and their friends. Oh... but they forgot to nationalize the profits. Instead, they increased the national debt and ran the economy into the ground. But they don't care. They have moved their businesses and their banking offshore, so we can go into another Great Depression without it hurting them one bit.

    Geo. W Bush is a criminal.

    • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/12/2008 3:14:27 PM

      very well said, the blogger below said vote McCain it's a matter of character,
      for me it's beyond character it's who can bring our troops home from a war that's been going on for over 6 1/2 years, it's about our soldiers living in terrible conditions. It's about our economy foreclosures, high gas prices, among other things that weaking our Country day after day.

      It's about the Bush administration that have me and millions of other Americans wondering what happen to our government, we are not respected, we have isolated our Country because of people desires to be BIG AND BAD, Mr. tough guy Bush, now he is on his way back to his texas ranch filty rich, along with Mr. Cheney who is still receiving money from Halenburton, who are over in Iraq working contracts.

      Mr. McCain who stands on the side of Mr. Bush shows me how sick he is and his policies, there's nothing he can say, to defend a man who's ratings are lower than anyone in Presidental history is madness.

      I will take my vote which I cherish dearly and proudly vote Obama

      • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/12/2008 9:18:51 PM

        McCain is no "W" crony! Far from it! But I do agree that if he wants to win the W.H come Nov., he definitely needs to distance himself from ALL THE NEO-CONVICTS!

        • Posted By: Nins @ 06/13/2008 12:41:32 AM

          Sorry, Concerned, but how can you really believe that McCain is not like W Bush? He voted with Bush 95% of the time in 2008, and 100% of the time in 2007. If he doesn't agree with Bush's policies, why is he voting in favor of them?

          It is true that McCain used to be moderate and liberal in his views and votes. But since 2004 he has been a Bush clone. You may say that he is only pretending to be a right wing conservative in order to get enough votes to become President. But if that is true, and he really is a moderate/liberal at heart, then he is lying to us, and tricking the people who vote for him, if after they elect him he then pushes a centrist agenda.

          It is just not right, no matter how you slice it. Either McCain really is a Neocon Bushie, or he is just pretending to be one for political reasons, and playing a dirty trick on his electorate.

          I know you feel strongly about supporting McCain, but please do think about this. If you vote for him and he turns out to be a McClone, you are going to feel awfully burned.

          And if you really believe that his views are different form Bush's, could you show me some ways in which he has made this clear in the past four years? Why exactly do you think he is different?

          • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/13/2008 10:39:52 AM

            Nins, I think you and I are gonna just have to AGREE to DISAGREE. Unlike BO fanatics/worshipers, I don't think for a second that JM will be the perfect Pres.

            Because he won't! Unlike your Messiah, McCain is only human. He does have weaknesses. And he will make mistakes once he's in the W.H. (smile). But he will not be anything like GW as a person. Now he may share a lot of the same traditional and conservative values that most Republicans have, BUT THAT'S WHAT I LIKE ABOUT HIM!

            Get it! Got it! GOOD!!!!

            • Posted By: Nins @ 06/14/2008 2:52:51 PM

              Hey, Concerned. We can agree to disagree. And it is true that each candidate has made mistakes both personally and politically and will continue to do so.

              However, you still have not responded with any data that would support your assertion that McCain is currently a "moderate, centrist Republican." I don't see why it aggravates you that I pointed out an obvious *** in McCain's armor, to wit, that he has changed his views and votes so many times. I was asking you to think about how would you feel if you voted for him, thinking he is a moderate, and he turns out to be an ultra right wing President? Or conversely, how would the right wingers feel if after voting for him, he turns out to be a moderate/liberal? You are projecting onto McCain what you want him to be (moderate), others project what they want him to be (NeoCon) and it is obvious that if he wins he can not please both groups.

              How would you feel if that happened?

              Don't get mad at me, just think about it.

              • Posted By: Nins @ 06/14/2008 3:49:56 PM

                The asterisk word that was bleeped by Newsweek was C H I N K, meaning a hole in the armor. I guess the Newsweek computer took at as an ethnic slur against the Chinese, without realizing that the word was being used as standard English, not in a perjorative way.

                It's very funny that Newsweek would edit out expletives and some racial slurs, but allow people like HolyRoller and other hate speech mongers to keep blogging. Go figure.

          • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/13/2008 10:48:09 AM

            RE: This statement about McCain:

            You may say that he is only pretending to be a right wing conservative in order to get enough votes to become President. But if that is true, and he really is a moderate/liberal at heart, then he is lying to us, and tricking the people who vote for him, if after they elect him he then pushes a centrist agenda."

            What do you think BO's doing? He's telling everybody he's a Christian and that's probably one of the BIGGEST LIES YET!!!

            Well he ain't foolin' this fool! Nor will he be able to fool over 50% of GE voters! LMAO!!!!

            • Posted By: Nins @ 06/14/2008 2:44:05 PM

              I'm sorry, Concerned but your reply does not convince me. Instead of addressing what I said, you tried to change the subject to Barack's religious faith. I had asked of you had any hard evidence to prove your assertion that McCain was really a moderate centrist, now, today, any time since 2004. You were unable to step up to the plate with that.

              If indeed Barack is "pretending" to be Christian in order to get votes, then he has a very long eye for the Presidency, considering his personal commitment to Christ occurred over 20 years ago. His public affirmation of it began at that time also. Although born a Christian, it was not until his mid twenties that he had an "ah ha" moment where he saw Christ shaping him and using him as an instrument for good. Obama has continued down that path, regardless of what slurs and smears you wish to post.

              I am quite sure that McCain is a Christian too. I was not doubting his personal faith, but saying his political views have changed so radically and so often that one feels a lack of trust when it comes to predicting his future actions. And I was asking you to reassure me that this was not true, to provide some facts that could contradict it. I guess there are none?

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/13/2008 4:31:49 AM

            The Roebuck Report


            Sunday, May 18, 2008
            McCain is No George W

            http://roebuckreport.blogspot.com/2008/05/mccain-is-no-w.html

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/12/2008 9:08:58 PM

      Hooray! NInz hits the mark! Spot on!! I totally agree with you here. All the NeoConVicts should be behind bars!

      P.S. JM is "NOT" a Neocon!

  • Posted By: WhenStarsTurnBlue @ 06/14/2008 4:44:36 AM

    Saying McCain would be a third Bush term is laughable, and I don't know why Obama insists on repeating it over and over. McCain isn't that fond of Bush. In the 2000 republican primary, Karl Rove spread rumors that his adopted daughter, Bridget, was an out-of-wedlock black love child. Bridget was adopted by the McCain's when Cindy visited an orphanage run by Mother Teresa and given a 3 month old baby who was dying. Cindy brought the baby home, and John agreed to adopt her and save her life.

    Going after someone's family like that in such a smear isn't something that's forgotten easily. That's why McCain goes against the republicans in the senate so often and has such a reputation for being a maverick. Kerry was even considering him for VP in 2004, the democrats loved the guy. But now that he's the republican nominee, suddenly he's "McBush." The guy is such a centrist, he's almost an independent. Very few republicans support stem cell research and the environment. That's why the GOP isn't that excited about voting this year for him since McCain has some democratic leanings, except the fact that he's pro-life.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/14/2008 3:17:02 PM

      Its fear politics stars. The Dems, who have been crying out about the use of fear politicking during the 2004 election, are using the same tactics. The Democrats never expected McCain to be the nominee, they expected another right wing whacko like Huckabee or Guiliani to be the nominee, the road to the White House would be easy. I can't talk for everyone but I know a lot of Clinton Dem's could and never would vote for those guys. The Dems would still be using the same, "HuckaBush" or "Bushiani" to tie them all to Bush.
      There was an article on RCP (I'm sure since I can't remember the title some will say it never happened) that during the last DNC meeting the top Dems, couldn't stop talking about "McBush" but didn't have much to say about Obama. You'd thing with the era of "New Politics" they would be talking more about how great and wonderful Obama is and let that be enough to persuade the electorate to vote for him right?
      Obama and the DNC keep talking about "100 years in Iraq." (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/smear_or_be_smeared.html) *there a credible link for you*
      Clearly taking that "sound bite" out of context btu crying out when Wright was "taken out of context."
      Now they can't stop talking about Abortion. Saying that McCain is going to make Abortion illegal. Another flat out lie, the reason they are scared is because *IF* McCain picks someone like Scalia, then the court will over turn Roe and you know what happens then....this is what the Dems fear... Its goes back to the STATES. Remember that pesky Bill of Rights, there was one on there about States rights. I find this especially funny because thats the argument the Dems use for Same Sex Marriage, that it is a state issue.
      Somewhere in the surge for Change, the Dems wheels have fallen somewhere. They are too drunk for the prospect of at least 2 years of Absolute Power , that they forget how much they have been complaining about the vulgar display of power the GOP has had for the last 6 years. If I see Obama beating McCain in the polls come November, I'm voting straight GOP in all congressional and my one Senatorial elections this year. I'm more afriad of what kind of mess the Dems will do with all that power than anything else. That said I really do support McCain. I liked him ever since 1999 when he first started to run. I never really cared much for Gore, but against Bush that was a no brainer, same for Kerry. Kerry wasn't the best the Dems could have put up but against Bush no brainer. You have to question the judgment on some of these, Republican voting for Obama. Are they such great judge of characters when they voted for Bush twice?

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/14/2008 3:31:20 PM

        Luckily McCain is only down 3 points in the latest from RCP.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/14/2008 2:28:43 PM

      Dear Stars,

      Your facts are right in your post, but your conclusions are not, because you left out the fact that since 2004 McCain has become a frantic Bush Supporter and repudiated his former liberal beliefs that had caused him to be called a "maverick." He has not been a maverick since 2004.

      You are right that McCain got unfairly swift boated by Bush. The great Texas Republican political machine laid McCain to waste, and McCain was mad as hell. He started voting against the party line and against Bush. He suddenly supported abortion rights, opposed the Bush tax cuts, co-sponsored a patient's bill of rights with Kennedy and Edwards, and got on the environmental bandwagon with John Kerry. He opposed our military actions in Somalia.  He even called Jerry Falwell "an agent of intolerance." My gosh, he actually tried to crack down on gun shows in legislation he put forth with then-Democrat Joe Lieberman. And in 2001, when Senator Jeffords of Vermont switched from Republican to Independent in an effort to counteract Bush's stranglehold on the Senate, McCain announced that he was considering becoming a Democrat, and went into a pow-wow with Senator Tom Daschle at his Sedona ranch. And did you know that John Kerry floated the idea of having McCain as his VP in '04? That was to have cemented his status as a newly-minted Democrat "maverick."

      But instead of joining Kerry, McCain suddenly switched his affiliation, came out in support of Bush in '04, and jettisoned his liberal image. Suddenly, it was the "old" McCain from the 1980s back in the saddle, the neo-conservative, take no prisoners Creationist. Against abortion. For the war. The SAME man who opposed a Federal amendment banning gay marriage and openly met with gay groups now was pushing a gay marriage ban in Arizona. The SAME man who said in 1999 that he was opposed to overturning Roe vs. Wade, now suddenly in 2007 is promising that he will stack the deck in the Supreme Court with religious right judges and overturn Roe vs. Wade.

      But the religious right isn't so sure about him. He's supported so many different opposing positions at so many times, that they are afraid that they are getting played in the name of McCain's political expediency.

      You don't have to take my word for this. Watch news clips of McCain talking about the same issues in different years, which proves what I have written. Get on the Straight Talk Express and get it straight from the horse's mouth:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajm5JTf7jZs&feature=related

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/12/2008 6:39:36 PM

    This was posted on another site by a Clinton supporter. I thought that it was interesting;

    Good morning PUMAS!

    a couple things before I start printing flyers
    John McCain is starting to make me very nervous???Even George Wil-big GOPer-says a vote for McCain is a vote for war with IRAN-and make no mistake-JM had a call w/his fundraisers-he plans to over turn Roe V wade???this is not BO propaganda-Hill said it herself-repeatedly.

    and after reading thishttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

    I will NEVER vote for McCain. I hope I don???t upset too many PUMA???s with my opinion. I will fight for Hillary???but not for some guy whose only qualification is that he was tortured???off to print my flyers and get 25 people to this site.

    Have a great day!

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/12/2008 9:05:08 PM

      READ MY LIPS!!!

      John McCain, nor BO, is going to touch Roe vs. Wade! STOP THE GOP FEAR MONGERING! You DemKats crack me up, you'll use the exact same "scare tactics," right out of the GOP Playbook, in a devious attempt to gain Hill supporters. Shame on you!

      Please, let's all come together and do the WRIGHT THING! Meeeeoooow!

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/13/2008 12:24:17 AM

        Concerned Ctzn, are you OUT OF YOUR MIND saying that neither "W" nor McCain will make an effort to defeat Roe vs. Wade. You KNOW you are lying, yet you keep posting this. For shame!

        It has been the stated goal of the religious right to appoint conservative judges to overturn Roe vs. Wade for years. W. Bush is on board with this plan. Every single judge that Bush appointed to every single Federal bench that came open during his tenure was a right wing Christian conservative. The Democrats were stymied when the GOP controlled congress, and Bush got to appoint two right wing Supreme Court Justices.

        First Bush appointed John Roberts to replace Sandra Day O'Connor when she stepped down. When Chief Justice Wm. Rehnquist died in 2005, Bush appointed Roberts as Chief Justice, and then filled O'Connor's empty chair with Samuel Alito. Both Roberts and Alito are Catholic, and both are outspoken against abortion.

        Bush has appointed two of the nine Justices, including the Chief Justice. The current Supreme Court has been sharply divided on a number of high profile issues, including abortion rights, affirmative action, eminent domain, gay rights, the separation of church and state, sovereign immunity, and states' rights. The number of close votes in cases involving these areas suggests that a change of one or two key justices could completely shift the thinking of the Court on such issues.

        Right now there are four Justices who are elderly and will soon either retire or die. The next President will get to appoint at least two new Justices. If the next President is McCain, those two will both be conservative right wing Christians. McCain has publicly PROMISED to do this, and explicitly said that his goal is to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

        Most Americans, even most Republicans, value the separation of church and state. That clause is in our Constitution to protect us from exactly what is going on in America today! Allowing any religious group (especially a radical one) to control the interpretation and application of our laws in the highest court in the land is NOT democratic. Nor is it wise.

        I don't care if you are a disappointed Hillary supporter or an undecided Independent or a life-long Republican or are pro-Obama. ANYONE, regardless of stripe, needs to vote against a candidate who had declared his intention of appointing partisan judges. Judges are supposed to be impartial. That is the basis of our legal system. Without that, you might as well live in a dictatorship, without recourse to law.

        • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/13/2008 10:24:31 AM

          Re: "McCain has publicly PROMISED to do this, and explicitly said that his goal is to overturn Roe vs. Wade."

          Okay Nins, do you have an ACTUAL QUOTE from JM saying this? If so, please post or give me the link.

          Plus, I've already told you this: one of the MAIN REASON???S why I will probably vote for John is because HE HAS PROMISED TO NOMINATE MORE CONSERVATIVE JUDGES if he gets elected.

          Don't you get it? You're a liberal, so obviously you want more Lib-Judges on the Supreme Court. And I understand that! Good for you!

          But I'm a moderate Independent that leans to the right, so I want Conservative Judges sitting on the highest bench.

          Bottom line is even if McCain is saying that he wants to overturn Roe vs. Wade, I can almost guarantee you that it's just another election year political stunt. Haven't you ever noticed that all the CONTROVERSIAL WEDGE-ISSUES only come to the forefront every four years?

          I've been around the block enough times to know that half the crap the newly elected Pres. promised to do NEVER GETS DONE! For the most part, the only reason some of these very sensitive wedge issues resurface is to force you to pick a side! Dem or Repub!! Pick a side!!!

          I'm too old to fall for their games anymore. I JUST LOOK AT THE OVERALL BIG PICTURE! I look closely at each party???s general political views and/or ideologies.

          The bottom line is I'm a traditionalist ... not a progressive! Sorry! No Tila Tequila for my kids!!!

          • Posted By: Nins @ 06/14/2008 3:16:40 PM

            I have been DYING for someone to ask me to prove my assertions that McCain has PROMISED to stack the deck in the Supreme Court and overturn Roe vs. Wade.

            Here's a direct quote:

            "John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand... Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states... However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life [must continue]..."

            Guess, just guess, where I got this quote from? John McCain's official website!

            McCain says that not only will he force the Supreme court to overturn Roe vs. Wade, but then he will fight at the state level to ban it, making it illegal everywhere.

            See for yourself:

            http://www.johnmccain.com/

            You keep posting the "fact" that McCain does not want to overturn Roe vs. Wade, that this is a rumor made up by Democrats to scare people away from voting for McCain. But please, if you have not done so already, go to McCain's website and read his official stand on this issue. And stop posting lies about this. You know it's true that McCain has promised to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 7:42:01 PM

      SJ, Hillary supporters have the right to explore the Puma option / site. Are Obama supporters like you THAT desperate to actually write a FAKE BLOG like you just did ABOVE and say it is something that lives on the www.blog.pumapac.org site? This is pathetic. Are Obama supporters that threatened about Obama not getting elected in the fall to resort to this tactic? Sad, very sad.: - (

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/13/2008 12:35:28 PM



    A voice of reason

    Colin Powell, the former Republican secretary of state, says he is not ruling out a vote for Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic nominee for president.

    While Mr. Powell served in the administrations of two Republican presidents, he said his support for presumed Republican nominee John McCain is not a forgone conclusion.

    . "I will vote for the individual I think that brings the best set of tools to the problems of 21st-century America and the 21st-century world regardless of party, regardless of anything else other than the most qualified candidate," Mr. Powell said at a news conference before delivering a speech to about 800 people attending a leadership forum at the Vancouver Convention Centre.

    Mr. Powell has been supportive of Mr. Obama's successes,

    A 35-year veteran of the U.S. Army, Mr. Powell also noted he would not necessarily support Mr. McCain because of his military service.



    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/14/2008 2:29:43 PM

      Bravo to General Colin Powell.

  • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/13/2008 9:59:36 PM

    *****NEWS UPDATE!*****

    BO drops Hanio Jane and Tila Tequila off his Veep Short List! He's now considering:

    1. Cross-dressin' GOP turncoat Bill O' Wrighty
    2. Laura InGrump
    3. Rup. Murdork (Fix News Crew)
    4. Rezko
    5. Chissy Mathews (oooh, that tingling sensation up my leg feels soooo good)
    5. Keith Olberbama (BO Progressive Cult Leader)
    6. Heck, let's just say everybody over at SnoozeWeak and MSNBC is in the running.
    7. Jimmy Carta' (Peanuts)
    8. Darth Vader (Luke ... come-over to the darkside.)
    9. ?
    I promise to keep all the Dems posted with any new developments... hehehe

  • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/10/2008 5:25:24 PM

    kboogle, mcCain did not rat out his fellow POWs. That was a slimey rumor started bt the Huckaby supporters in S.C. ironically the same state that Bush used the Black Baby Fathered my McCain rumor 4 years earlier.

    It is ligitimate to question his loyalty and courage since he's campaigned on continuing the war cooked up by the bushies knowing full well that many more thousands will be sent to their deaths just because he needs the endorsement of the 23%ers.

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/10/2008 5:48:27 PM

      No, bella, YOU are wrong. "MCCAIN IS A TRAITOR"

      CNN did a piece on McCain where he admitted giving the N. Vietnamese strategic points of U.S. soldiers. In return, he received favorable treatment from his captors. He revealed military positions, and aided in anti-US propaganda during his capture. That's called "RATTING OUT YOUR BUDDIES".

      Google- "POWs against John McCain" or,
      -http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm or,
      -http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm or,
      - http://educate-yourself.org/cn/earlhopperinterview08feb08.shtml

      It's a fact that McCain's daddy and grandaddy helped conceal by using their Naval status to classify the transcripts of his capture. Most POWS documents were declassified, while McCain's were still being protected.

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/10/2008 8:11:44 PM

        Do you believe anything the Web tells you? Oh yeah you do cause you believe in Obama.

        • Posted By: sebr01stl @ 06/10/2008 10:19:21 PM

          Hypocrite! And all your zombieknowledge is due to knowing McCain personally; you don't use the internet for research? Maybe you go to the library and read books on McCain. You may be smarter than your candidate! But not smart enough to accept what's right in front of your face with Obama; you'll accept the internet for lies smear/hate/fear spread about him, but not truth. But no one can glean truth about McCain from the internet, only propoganda that you would have no one believe! What a double standard. And they say that Obamabots worship Barack like a messiah candidate; they aint seen nothing till they've seen the support and adorations of the McCaints!

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/13/2008 8:46:27 PM

            pWND

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/11/2008 1:06:04 AM

            Obviously you missed my point. Would you the good Obama supporter believe anything that Sean Hannity says about Obama or writes in his blog? What about Bill O? I suppose also that anything you read about Obama in the National Review would be suspect too?
            What I am talking about is unbiased information. I guess my sarcasm is lost on you.

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/11/2008 1:02:13 AM

            Looks like I got to ya. ha ha good to know.

        • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/11/2008 10:55:37 AM

          You're so cute. I'm sure your vast array of knowledge is hereditary.

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/10/2008 5:59:05 PM

      Re: "war cooked up by the bushies"

      I totally agree with you here! I think most people realize now that the war was cRoOked up by Global Elitist, which includes the Bushies, Klintoonies and the Blair-witch doctor and Co. (and many other Global Elitist). There are numerous reasons why the war was really started, but most people know now that it definitely wasn't over WMD's. LOL!

      But hindsight is 20 / 20. With the exception of the new Messiah (BO - yeah right!), we all pretty much got buffaloed! The current Admin and Big Corp Media sold us all a crock of BS. But that's neither here, nor there now. "W" has made a mess and John McCain will have to do his best to fix things. As we all know now, it's not gonna be easy. But at least John has the experience to get the job done!

      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/10/2008 6:09:52 PM

        All we need to do is make sure he has the right advisers, a travelling medical staff, prunes and blue pills.

        • Posted By: mcleodmn @ 06/10/2008 6:13:05 PM

          Are the blue pills for his visits with President Bush?

          • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/10/2008 6:26:16 PM

            That was wrong as hell and terribly funny!

            • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/11/2008 4:56:35 AM

              The joke about Husseins limo rides was funnier chipmunk....
              Oh wait...That wasn't a joke was it?!?

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/11/2008 9:33:54 PM

                No joke. It was a dirty rotten lie.

              • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 2:14:59 PM

                I hope he's gone. You too.


                Choochie.
                Good news though, you can buy a fake service medals on line from China.

            • Posted By: Nins @ 06/10/2008 8:39:48 PM

              It took me a minute. I just got that joke. Very naughty! And funny.

          • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/10/2008 6:21:59 PM

            Now you got me there Alvy. John's ONLY offering a bottle of Magic Blue Pills to every traditional married household.

            And BO's offering free BamaCare, free college tuition, free house, free membership to all the WRIGHT churches across America, etc.

            Oh wait! It's not free!!! Well yes it is! BUT AS A GOOD DEM-KAT I'll HAVE RAISE YOUR TAXES TO GIVE YOU ALL THESE "FREE" THINGS! C'mon, you know the games peoples....

            • Posted By: Nins @ 06/10/2008 8:21:19 PM

              You know that Obama is only going to raise taxes on corporations and wealthy individuals, which is how is going to get the money to fund his initiatives. He is going to lower taxes for the poor and the middle class.

              Obama's social programs (the extent of which you over-exaggerate, of course) are DIFFERENT from the past social programs of the tax and spend Democrats. Obama's education program, for instance, has an economic goal in mind, to train thousands of scientists and engineers so that we can compete in the information technology, research and development world markets. It is obvious that we can no longer compete with manufacturing and heavy industry -- China, India, Mexico and Brazil have knocked us out of the box on that one, for good. Obama wants America to come up with the best alternative energy technology on the planet and thereby free us of our dependency on oil. Furthermore, when the oil runs out, we will have all the energy technology, and will be selling energy to the OPEC countries, instead of vice versa. Obama's education plans aren't so your kids can make art projects on the taxpayer's dime. This is real planning on how to strengthen America. INVEST IN OUR PEOPLE rather than give tax breaks to corporations that ship our jobs overseas.

            • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/10/2008 7:14:22 PM

              You are smart enough to know how to trend the tax-hikes and know what the real contrast are - so I will leave it at that. At least you're funny as hell.

              The Wright schools for the Church? That would be if you put your stock in religion - and not stock. Creating your own portfolio and tending to your future is not rocket science. It's easy once you get going - and religion does more harm than good.

              Hasn't ever been a president that didn't pay for a crystal elephant in recent history - has there?

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/10/2008 8:03:17 PM

        Concerned, I can't figure you out. You believe that the Iraq war is a right wing conspiracy, yet you say that you want McCain to be President? If you believe in the right wing conspiracy, how could you not believe McCain is part of it, the next puppet in line to the throne?

        Oh, wait a minute, I CAN figure you out. You will say ANYTHING. Who cares if it's not true, if you contradict yourself, if you change your views depending on the topic of conversation. WOW -- you sound just like John McCain.

        BLOGGERS, here's the news, Johhny Boy is on-line right now, posting under the moniker "Concerned Ctzn."

        "Citizen" is such a hard word to spell that he had to abbreviate it. You know, flunking out of college and everything.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/10/2008 6:15:22 PM

      I'm sorry, Bella, but in his autobiography, John McCain admits to collaborating with the enemy while he was a POW.

      Me personally, I do not hold this against him. Lord knows what a person will do when tortured.

      What I do hold against McCain is the fact that he blocked a bill to allow families of POWs and MIAs to gain access to their loved one's military records. This bill passed the House of Representatives with an overwhelming bi-partisan 100% of the Representatives voting in favor of it. It then was sent to the Senate, but it never reached the Senate floor, because John McCain killed it in committee.

      McCain says that his reason for opposing this bill was because "There were no POWs left behind in Vietnam." Even if this is true (and that is a big if), McCain's reasoning is specious. His excuse does not address the MIAs, or the the fact that the families of both the POWs and the MIAs wanted access to their loved one's records for personal and sentimental reasons, to help them heal and grieve. During the committee hearings, John McCain's angry badgering reduced a mother of a MIA to tears on national TV. He actually was calling her names and telling her she would never, ever see her son's file.

      Why would McCain do such a thing? Why would he refuse to allow families access to the loved one's records? Why would he kill a compassionate bill in committee, never letting it reach the floor? It is because he knew that if he allowed that bill to go to a vote it surely would have passed, and then HIS military records would be open to public scrutiny, and the world would have cold hard facts about exactly how much he collaborated with the enemy.


      Check out this website for more information:

      http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/10/2008 6:25:27 PM

        And it is sorrowful. To feel alone and not really know what happened - good or bad - is a travesty to the communities and individual families. To not celebrate a hero, or garner lessons learned from those who were not, for personal reasons is probably more the definition of coward than the the actual selling out of the country to the enemy.

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