How to Beat a Rock Star: ‘Substance.’

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  • Posted By: mexed @ 06/08/2008 11:49:15 PM

    In the days of identity politics I start by saying I am a white mail,63 years old. There is nothing that I have seen in McCain's voting record, in his family life, in his political behaviors that lead me to believe that he has more "substance" than anyone else who started the campaign as a Republican or Democratic nominee. Barack Obama is different than McCain but McCain is trying to measure Barack against what McCain assumes about himself. It is a simple error on his part. 1. He sees himself as more substantial or is using this ruse to make political points which is one indicator that he is not more substantial in terms of character for sure. 2. He is saying that Barack is less substantial than he is but uses his own measure and own criteria. The McCain voting record is clearly an indication of his substance. He is substantially a traditional Republican who will continue to be so. He will continue to support the Republican agenda of more for fewer people. He has already made it clear that he is not about to challenge much of anything in terms of our trading with the world. He has made it clear that he supports banks first, the people second. He has made it clear that he supports tax breaks for the rich and not for the middleclass because he still holds to the economic version of trickle-down economics that has not worked. What has trickled has gone abroad. The country is not looking for more of the same and that is what he offers. Barack is clearly developing his direction and agenda and it appears to me to be from someone who has substance and it is a substance that I clearly prefer to whatever substance John McCain has to offer. I'll measure either man by the progrmas, the agenda, the direction. At this point Barack has the better plan, better programs, better direction.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/09/2008 12:01:12 AM

      Mexed, you are right on all points. I just wanted to add my two cents about the trickle down theory.

      I'm a CEO and I used to be very much in favor of tax cuts for corporations, Congressional lobbying and the whole nine yards, because I strongly believed in the trickle down theory. The trickle down theory says that if you have economically healthy corporations, that wealth will trickle down to the little guy and to all the worker bees, and America will remain strong and secure. That worked for the past 100 years. But it no longer works, because with outsourcing of so many jobs and factories overseas, the trickle down is trickling into the economies of India and China and Mexico. It no longer trickles into the USA. Yet these "American" corporations continue to benefit from American tax cuts while doing business in other countries, the extensive deregulation of banking and industry and the other favors Bush has paid to the corporate world to the detriment of his own people.

      Like I said, I saw nothing wrong with this when it was benefitting average Americans. But now, as we face an almost insurmountable National Debt, the lobbyists are working overtime to make sure that they keep their stranglehold over American lawmakers, and keep our hands tied so we can't break free from a system that was built to be their cash cow.

      Barack Obama has the balls (and it takes big ones) to stand up to all this chicanery, and throw these criminals out of Washington.

      Amen.

  • Posted By: mexed @ 06/09/2008 12:01:01 AM

    Be rational and vote McCain? Be rational and vote for someone who does not share my familly values protecting my marriage? Be rational and vote for someone who does not share my understanding of what is needed to improve the economy of this country? Be rational and vote for someone who wants to continue to bully his way through the world? Voting for McCain in my opinion would be a betrayal of all I would like to see changed to make for a stronger America, a more just America, a free America, a healthy America. I also could not be rational and vote for a man who, like Ronald Reagan, has a good chance of losing his memory in during his presidency.

  • Posted By: perumanian @ 06/08/2008 2:06:51 PM

    It will be stupid of Americans again to vote in a democratic guy at this time, with the dem majority ruling. The liberals will be running with their agenda without any regard for the majority Americans. Mccaine is not same as Bush as everybody knows but the dems are trying to paint him (except that he is trying to court the conservative base). Mccaine the democratic choice!!!

    • Posted By: raddave @ 06/08/2008 11:51:40 PM

      McSame is the same as McBush, just older

    • Posted By: cbnboy1974 @ 06/08/2008 6:05:47 PM

      Like hell he isnt....As long as Mcain is in office , we will always been at war , and that is how he makes his living,

  • Posted By: kidrichter @ 06/08/2008 11:30:49 PM

    Two wrongs do not make a right.
    America is so desperate for change that we are about elect the Pied Piper as president. . . and you can bet our treasury and uniquely American sense if independence and self reliance will suffer accordingly.
    Bush was desperate to go to war and look how he botched it. As voters we can't afford to make the same mistake. McCain 2008mistake. Not now.

  • Posted By: kidrichter @ 06/08/2008 11:28:47 PM

    Two wrongs do not make a right.
    America is so desperate for change that elect the Pied Piper as president. . . and you can bet our treasury and uniquely American sense if independence and self reliance will suffer accordingly.
    Bush was desperate to go to war and look how he botched it. As voters we can't afford to make the same mistake. McCain 2008mistake. Not now.

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/08/2008 11:25:27 PM



    Firefighters hired by the state of Oregon as government employees are required to speak English.

    The bilingual crew leader requirement applies to private contractors that choose to hire non-English-speakers.

    The person taking this story around to the media who was not allowed to act as a crew leader runs a private contracting company, and the state informed him that he had to be bilingual to be the crew leader if any of his crew didn't speak Engish because the state's own firefighters operate only in English.

    So the guy hired a bunch of migrant workers who didn't speak English for his crew (because they're cheaper, of course), and the state refused to let him lead them if he couldn't speak their language because it didn't want these guys to go out there and get killed because their own boss couldn't give them instructions.


  • Posted By: robertforchange @ 06/08/2008 11:20:59 PM

    With all due respect, this article asks the wrong question. And, it assumes Obama has no substance. The reality of the matter -- if you dig deep, and take the time to read each candidate's policy positions and ideas -- that Obama wins the substance argument by a landslide. Not merely a win for Obama. An Obama wipe out.
    That's substance we can believe in.

  • Posted By: marions @ 06/08/2008 11:10:17 PM

    Couldn't McCain at least be briefed on that report????? How can a Candidate running for President not make time to stay informed regarding basic government happenings? I have serious doubts about McCains ability to evaluate and process the essential information flowing through the Presidential Office. How can he ask us to let him make critical decisions affecting our nation. It's like admitting he doesn't know what is going on!!!!

  • Posted By: Bahrainium @ 06/08/2008 11:08:41 PM

    If people wanted substance then they would have voted for Dr. Ron Paul.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/08/2008 11:05:08 PM

    Substance? What substance?

    In the first session of the 110th Congress (2007), McCain holds the dubious honor of missing, by a wide margin, more votes than any other Senator save one. The only one who missed more? That would be Senator Tim Johnson, who was recovering from a brain hemorrhage.

    The Washington Post has a database that tracks vote missed in the Senate. McCain missed a whopping 261 of 468 votes, about 56%. And it not because he wasn't there in the building. He refuses to vote on any bill that is controversial or that he might be criticized for. Consequently, he votes on almost all of the silly votes (like "Name a Daisy Day") but fails to be in the room when really important stuff is going down, like votes concerning the war in Iraq. Senator Harry Reid, the Senate Majority Leader became so angry with McCain about this that he took him task for it right on the Senate floor, saying "Senator McCain has spent considerable time defending the President on Iraq, but has only managed to show up for four of the last fourteen Iraq votes."

    In case you think I made that up, I will give you a reference: "McCain Missed Votes on Iraq Triggers Reid Rebuke" published in The Hill, May 17, 2007.

    You may be asking why would McCain not want to vote on Iraq? Because he already knew then that he would be running for President, and he knew the war was increasingly unpopular, and he didn't want the Democrats to be able to point to his record and say "Look how he votes on Iraq."

    McCain has also missed important votes on national security, funding of law enforcement, equipment for firefighters, and of course, his most recent no-show, on giving veterans the GI Bill. In fact, McCain misses more than half of his votes.

    Is this the kind of President that you want?

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/08/2008 10:01:16 PM

    If John McCain is so great, why the hell didn't the Republicans nominate him back in 2000?? Bush Jr. was inexperienced - even moreso than Obama, I'd argue - and yet everyone in the GOP seemed to allow Bush to belittle McCain's mililtary experience as a war hero - NOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN, McCain is to be revered as a war hero and true patriot. I think the GOP has been operating with their proverbial heads up their axxes for the past decade. Anybody who would pick Bush Jr. over McCain is crazy. Absolutely nuts.

    Now, against Obama, that's a little different. First of all, Obama has more than half a brain. He's crafty, savvy and smooth, and he's brilliant, not to mention a superb communicator. He shows talent on his own merits, and has won LEGITIMATELY his nomination, against a formible, favorite candidate, lontime political operative HIllary Clinton.

    McCain is now too old, bless his yeart, and perhaps a bit too frail, despite his doctor's extensive documentation to the contrary. I do not think we should elect a man president just because we stiffed him in 2000 (if that's the case, then hell - bring on Al Gore!), or because he's a war hero and he deserves to make it to the Presidency in his dodering old age, golden years...

    We can't waste so much time and talent by passing up a younger, energized candidate who has won many hearts and minds without having to resort to old-school politics.

    Sure, Obama's not perfect - he has some weaknesses. But I'm willing to gamble that he can see things through, no matter how tough, and will make things happen where nobody (including Hillary) was able to succeed before. He may not be able to "change" evreything, but he will work hard on the things that really matter to the majority of hard-working Americans.

    McCain will look out for the interests of the rich, as the GOP has always done, while paying lip service to the blue collar bubbas who believe so blindly in patriotism, ma and apple pie that they'd vote for a Horse if it was wearing a red elephant costume!

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/08/2008 11:03:08 PM

      Great post! Thanks for taking the trouble, NoTrouble.

      I agree with you that if it was a contest between McCain and Bush, I would vote for McCain (and I did in the 2000 primary).

      But it is not a contest between McCian and Bush. It is a contest between Obama and McCain, and despite all of McCain's good qualities, I think that Obama is clearly the better candidate. If this was a time of peace and prosperity, I think McCain would make an able President. But this is a time of war and severe economic instability. Aside from being an unthinking hawk, McCain has no economic platform. Anyone who thinks that we can improve our economy without getting out of the multi-trillion dollar cash hemorrhage in Iraq, is beyond naieve.

      Obama on the other hand has detailed plans for how to turn around the recession. I am VERY worried about the economy. So are lots of people, including Rupert Murdoch, multi-billionaire owner of FoxNews and an arch-conservative Republican. Mr. Murdoch is supporting Obama, because he says that McCain is "weak on the economy" and that with McCain as President "the recession would deepen into a depression."

      Warren Buffet, CEO of Berkshire Hathaway and the richest man in the world is also supporting Obama, because he also believes Obama has what it takes to turn around our failing economy.

      Honestly, I think that both of these men know more about the economy and more about Obama's and McCain's capabilities than most of us do.

      Obama will win, and he will change our nation for the better.

  • Posted By: psyteam @ 06/08/2008 10:58:09 PM

    Welcome to McCain???s personal delusion: A New American Dystopia.

    To begin with, McCain is no ???maverick.??? That ridiculous misnomer ------- bequeathed on this geezer by the media ------ is not reflected by McClone???s voting record. A whopping 89% of the time, this evil old prik has voted for all of the failed and flawed Bush strategies.

    In fact, McCain personifies the delusional thought process which has brought the United States to the brink of one-party-totalitarian-rule. Let???s review the corporate fascist regime McCain has supported:

    1. Genocide against Iraq ----- a country even Bush admits had no links to 911 or al Qaeda.
    2. 12 billion/m on this fake war, which continues to place our troops in the cross fire between Islamic jihadists and tribal factions.
    3. A war which, according to our own CIA, has radicalized Koranic fundamentalist sentiment instead of keeping us safe from it.
    4. Illegal surveillance; violation of the FISA court
    5. Our nation beggared to China ----- who is largely funding the Iraq fiasco
    6. Skyrocketing gas prices, plunging economy, record home foreclosures.
    7. An administration awash in corruption, indictments and felony convictions.

    And all of it, mind you, done to implement the great, neoconservative ???wet dream:??? A global, free market economy ----- as set forth in the PNAC.

    If this old f*ck McCain thought the Hanoi Hilton was bad, wait till he debates Obama.

    1) Press conf. http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/no-saddam-qaeda.htm)
    2) 911 Commission ----- June 17, 2004
    3) 2008 Senate Intelligence Committee;
    4) Chief U.S. Weapons Inspector Report on Iraqi Arms Program, Charles A. Duelfer, Oct 5, 2004.
    5) 60 Minutes, aired April 23, 2006 Tyler Drumheller: ???Bush knew in 2002???
    6) State Department???s Bureau of Intelligence & Research)
    7) January 2004 report by the Army War College)
    8) Baghdad year zero: Pillaging Iraq in pursuit of a neocon utopia: http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/09/0080197


  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/08/2008 10:48:54 PM



    "McCain't and isn't able to Govern" Has just as much substance as his supporters and they just can't seem to quite make that move to the 21st century Their antiquated rhetoric is just that, Antiquated! And their pretzel logic is not going to carry them this time.
    35 + MIl Votes and not counting the caucuses to 9 Mil votes and that is just the preliminaries.

    This Isn't even a contest.

    You don't have to go home but you can't stay here


  • Posted By: BlueBell @ 06/08/2008 9:12:31 PM

    Food, housing and health insurance are necessary for everyone, If government give free food, free public housing and health to some people, who needs to work?

    • Posted By: summer1216 @ 06/08/2008 10:43:17 PM

      Anyone who wants more than the bare necessities.

  • Posted By: Spacer @ 06/08/2008 10:40:27 PM

    McBush sez: "So when French intelligence and German intelligence and all the others???I don't know what role spin plays in it, but I don't think it would have been very easy for anyone in this administration to spin French intelligence or other nations that held the same view."

    McBush is lying. German intelligence WARNED Bush that the source code named Curve Ball was throwing curve balls with his tall tails of "trailers of mass destruction" and other such garbage that the Bushites used to dupe the American public into war. And the intelligence people were complaining that the necons were "cherry picking" intelligence that they could use to sell the war and "stove-pipiing" to Cheney so they could avoid the vetting that intelligence is supposed to be subjected to.

    If Bush doesn't do it first before he leaves office, McBush will use the same sort of deceptions to lie us into a war with Iran that Bush used to lie us into the Iraq war.

  • Posted By: Lunsford @ 06/08/2008 10:33:03 PM

    Wow! I use to like this guy. Go Obama!

  • Posted By: Ivee @ 06/08/2008 10:25:19 PM

    I can't imagine what kind of "substance" John McCain claims to offer. So far, there's not a single one of his policies that could make the claim to substance, except, of course, for his policies on continuing a war with Iraq and possibly starting another war with Iran (and even then he can't get the players right). A statement like this is nothing more than a bad joke and one I am surely hoping the American people will not fall for again -- not after 8 years of the Bush administration pushing the same kind of empty hype.

    Obama '08!

  • Posted By: Spacer @ 06/08/2008 10:25:03 PM

    Yeah, substance can trump star power, but McCain doesn't have any. The corporate media just wants the public to believe he does because he's done favors for the telecommunications industry in the past and he can do much more for them if he gets to be president.

    Obama has star power. He also has substance, despite the "narrative" that the corporate propaganda mill is grinding out.

  • Posted By: MsSKWesq @ 06/08/2008 10:16:30 PM

    John McCain is nothing but a warmonger. He is willing to do anything and say anything to get the Presidency, but he has NO SUBSTANCE at all: Keating 5, calling his wife ugly names, abandoning his first wife for being disabled, associating with dishonest lobbyists, riding Bush's coattails. Why is he withholding documents on the Abramoff investigation? He is the enemy to women, the middle class and to those who believe in America's standing in the world as a beacon for peace and modernity. To elect John McCain is to pull the trigger on a winless war with Iran. He is dangerous for our children's future.

  • Posted By: DHeath @ 06/08/2008 6:58:41 PM

    It's truly amazing that the "change" candidate has voted a strictly party line, while McCain has po'd the Republicans by voting his own agenda. I suppose the real "change" we can expect from Barack is a pure one-party agenda.

    • Posted By: swim2thesea @ 06/08/2008 10:13:08 PM

      I believe you'll find McCain voted with GWB 95% last year (and I believe the number was 100% the year before that)...not quite the maverick you would like to think he is.

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