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  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/08/2008 5:42:37 PM



    McCain's Character -- A Disaster Waiting To Happen
    by John LeBoutillie
    Ronald Kessler's excellent piece in Newsmax on Senator John McCain's erratic and explosive temper is 100% dead on target. As someone who has known McCain for 32 years, I can unequivocally state that he should be no where near the Oval Office.

    His behavior through the years tells us all we need to know: he is a spoiled brat-turned adult who demeans people who dare to disagree with him; he has an explosive temper that can erupt on a nanosecond's notice; he is a total liar who will tell you something one day and then totally deny it the next (more on that below); he is a political chameleon who is enabled by the so-called Main Stream Media; he is also a megalomaniac whose former POW status has allowed him to get away with things -- i.e. the Keating Five Scandal -- that others would have gone to jail for.

    In sum, McCain is a disaster waiting-to-happen.


  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/08/2008 5:42:05 PM



    Now, a story: in 1990-1991 I had the great privilege to meet and ultimately befriend retired Air Force Colonel Ted Guy. Ted had been a POW in Vietnam for over six years -- after being shot down and captured in Laos and driven on the Ho Chi Minh Trail to Hanoi. Ted became famous as the war ended as he tried to bring changes against several of his fellow US POWs who he thought had cooperated with the North Vietnamese while in captivity; after coming home in 1973 his superiors decided not to press charges. But Ted was forever branded a "real hard ass" because of this incident.

    For a while Ted was the Senior Ranking Officer (SRO) in -- I believe -- The Plantation (a POW camp on the outskirts of Hanoi) in which John McCain was also being held.

    The SRO kept the chain of military order among the POWs; they took orders from him and kept discipline that way.

    When I got to know Ted Guy, the US Senate Select Committee on POWs was being organized; McCain was named a member. Ted Guy's thoughts -- then -- about McCain? "John was a good troop in camp."

    Ted Guy -- since repatriation in 1973 -- had discounted any chance that living US POWs were left behind in Vietnam after the January 27, 1973 Paris Peace Agreements. In fact, by his own admission, Ted often became gruff with MIA family members who asked him if their loved one might have been left behind in captivity. "I told them there was no chance and they needed to get a life."

    This was the same message many of the former POWs were delivering to relatives of the thousands of men who did not come home in Operation Homecoming: "Forget it... we are the only living men... give it up and move on with your lives." Of course, that was easy for them to say: they had come home!!!

    The US Government never officially briefed the returning POWs about the egregious violations of the Paris Peace Accords -- by both Hanoi and Washington DC. Washington refused to pay the $4.25 billion President Nixon secretly promised in a February 1, 1973 letter to Premier Pham Van Dong -- and kept hidden from the Congress for three years; Hanoi failed to release the other group of 600 US POWs they were holding as an insurance policy against these funds.

    If the truth had been told to our returning heros, they would probably have led the charge for the return of their comrades; but they were not told. Instead they were sent out to America's heartland as the war heros we so desperately needed -- McCain and Ted Guy included.

    Except that Ted Guy was intellectually honest enough to read all the new revelations that began surfacing in the 1980's; by 1991 he had seen enough. "I was lied to," he told me. "I am now certain we knowingly left men behind in captivity." Ted also got a fellow former POW, Terry Uyeyama, to join our little 'group' as we went around DC trying to get the US Government to reverse policy and negotiate for the living men still being held in Vietnam


  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/08/2008 5:40:58 PM



    Then McCain entered the picture.

    As the Senate Committee heated up -- and more and more new information surfaced showing that indeed we did leave men behind held against their will in Vietnam and Laos -- McCain began a long and vicious campaign to discredit and shoot down any new information or anyone advocating that the truth about our POWs be made public. Thus emerged for many to see the mean and ugly side of John McCain.

    Ted Guy, his old Senior Ranking Officer and friend and admirer, soon changed his mind about McCain.

    A series of odd phone calls to Ted in Missouri from McCain made him question the truthfulness and sanity of McCain. "John would call me one day and say something... and then he'd call a few days later and I'd ask him about what he'd said on the first call and John would completely deny ever saying it!"

    So Ted Guy began recording all his phone calls from McCain. "I don't trust him anymore," said Colonel Guy. "I think he is a total liar."

    From these taped calls, Ted soon discovered a frequent pattern: McCain often denied things he has just said only a few days earlier!

    How to explain this? A liar or a total nut? Or both?

    Sadly, Ted Guy died of leukemia 7 years ago. A healthy Ted Guy today could have and would have stood up and told the truth about John McCain -- and had the former-POW status to take McCain on.



  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/08/2008 5:40:23 PM



    McCain these days goes unchecked -- either about his truthfulness or his sanity. Ron Kessler has opened the topic of McCain's explosive and dangerous temper to further public scrutiny. In Ron's story are traces of the lies and denials and admissions -- all at the same time!

    In sum, John McCain is not the man for the presidency. He is a fraud.

    Yes, he would of beat Hillary one on one. But he doesn't have snow balls chance in hell of Beating Barack Obama.
    Once you get to 'know' this man, you will agree: he must be defeated at all cost but that is already a foregone conclution.

    --------
    John LeBoutillier is a former U.S. Congressman

  • Posted By: L Mueller @ 06/08/2008 3:49:23 PM

    In this interview, Mr. McCain does what he does best: distort, misrepresent, and manufacture facts.

    When Mr. McCain was asked about the Bush administration's misleading this country about the "intelligence" on Iraq, he replied:

    "I do know that every intelligence agency in the world, some of the intelligence agencies not representing nations that are particularly friendly to us, firmly believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was developing them."

    That statement does not reflect reality. I researched on the Internet almost every claim the administration made. In most cases, I found within 1/2 hour of the news reports that they were false. Our own intelligence agencies did not believe Hussein was pursuing nuclear weapons research, and most European countries, and Canada, had good evidence he had shut down the research, just has he had said.

    Mr. McCain says: "...we would all be very happy, I think, if Saddam Hussein was removed from power in the very rapid military operation that we were able to achieve, and we had a stable government in Iraq."

    In fact, most Arab nations were very concerned about, and privately very critical of, Mr. Bush's obvious intention to invade Iraq. After the invasion and the rapid collapse of Iraq's government and the nation, they were aghast. Although few Arab leaders liked Saddam Hussein, they respected the fact that his power restrained the ambitions of Iran's government, which made very clear their desire to establish a religious hegemony in the Arab world.

    The Keating Five affair is a minor blemish on Mr. McCain's record, but there are other, serious lapses. The N. Y. Times of Tuesday 22 April 2008 reported that Mr. McCain apparently assisted contractor Donald R. Diamond by offering to cut through "red tape" to accomplish a construction project.

    In 2000, George Bush criticized McCain for meddling into FCC business in 1999. McCain intervened on behalf of Lowell Paxson, who had steered $30,000 to McCain. Mr. McCain wrote a strongly worded letter, demanding the FCC declare their intentions on a television-station licensing petition Paxson had submitted. The Commission chairman, William Kennard, wrote back that McCain's personal involvement in FCC actions was "highly unusual." Commissioner Gloria Tristani also wrote McCain, effectively rebuking him for his meddling into FCC matters, and refusing to comply with his request.

    Mr. McCain is the "Lord of Lobbyists" and "The French Candidate." He has been the driving force behind the French A330 white-elephant refueling tanker. He first scuttled the earlier Boeing deal, which was admittedly rigged. Then he cajoled the Congress to modify the ???Buy American??? act, and his lobbyists strong-armed the Air Force to accept the A330, and to reject the superior Boeing design, which met the original bid request.

    Mr. McCain???s record shows him to be short-tempered and vola

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/08/2008 2:39:19 PM

    There is The Right Change, The Wrong Change, and The Correct Change. Mc Cain did not buy Obama's campaign mantra, he tried to steal it. It is ludicrous. He is an extension of the present administration. He voted for everything that the present administration initiated and helped support all of the present administration's vetoes of the bills generated by the 2004 election, thwarting the electorate. Now, he says it's time to change. In the cattle business, this is called bull hockey.
    When you buy something and hand currency to the proprietor, you expect the Correct Change. Mc Cain bought everything that the present administration in its gross incompetency presented to the Senate. He is now about to receive "The Correct Change", and that doesn't include him as our president. He is about to be the butt of the largest voting landslide in recent history. The sooner, the better.

    • Posted By: perumanian @ 06/08/2008 3:06:44 PM

      is this after Obama somehow reached his delegates number? by landslide. my foot.

    • Posted By: perumanian @ 06/08/2008 3:05:41 PM

      the change was first used by Barack when he went he asked his 15 year old momma to change his diaper.. hmm if they took some to Indonesia.. So the right to the word only goes to the thin resume canddate.. everybody else should run away.. stink bomb..

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/07/2008 4:17:47 PM

    Here's some data taken from the National Overview of 2008 Primary Results:

    OBAMA BEAT McCAIN in THE POPULAR VOTE in FORTY STATES.

    AL: 302,684 Obama / 211,071 McCain
    AR: 79,411 Obama / 44,608 McCain
    CA: 1,746,013 Obama / 1,093,560 McCain
    CO: 79,334 Obama / 10,621 McCain
    CT: 179,349 Obama / 78,741 McCain
    DE: 51,124 Obama / 22,626 McCain
    DC: 85,534 Obama / 3,929 McCain
    GA: 700,366 Obama / 303,639 McCain
    IL: 1,301,954 Obama / 424,071 McCain
    IN: 630,399 Obama / 44,608 McCain
    KS: 27,172 Obama / 4,587 McCain
    KY: 209,778 Obama / 142,826 McCain
    LA: 220,588 Obama / 67,609 McCain
    ME: 2,079 Obama / 958 McCain
    MD: 464,474 Obama / 163,677 McCain
    MA: 511,887 Obama / 204,027 McCain
    MN: 141,527 Obama / 13,822 McCain
    MS: 255,809 Obama / 113,074 McCain
    MO: 405,284 Obama / 194,304 McCain
    MT: 102,373 Obama / 72,455 McCain
    NH: 104,772 Obama / 88,466 McCain
    NJ: 492,186 Obama / 310,427 McCain
    NY: 697,914 Obama / 310,814 McCain
    NC: 875,683 Obama / 381,616 McCain
    ND: 11,625 Obama / 2,224 McCain
    OH: 979,025 Obama / 636,256 McCain
    OK: 130,087 Obama / 122,748 McCain
    OR: 360,728 Obama / 280,030 McCain
    PA: 1,046,220 Obama / 587,210 McCain
    RI: 75,115 Obama / 17,468 McCain
    SC: 295,091 Obama / 147,283 McCain
    SD: 43,574 Obama / 42,657 McCain
    TN: 250,730 Obama / 174,763 McCain
    TX: 1,358,785 Obama / 709,477 McCain
    UT: 70,373 Obama / 15,264 McCain
    VT: 91,740 Obama / 28,488 McCain
    VA: 623,141 Obama / 244,135 McCain
    WA: 354,111 Obama / 262,295 McCain
    WV: 91,747 Obama / 89,782 McCain
    WI: 646,007 Obama / 224,226 McCain


    Here are the states where McCain won:

    AZ: 171,368 Obama / 233,299 McCain
    FL: 569,041 Obama / 693,508 McCain
    ID: 23,973 Obama / 87,341 McCain
    NE: 46,291 Obama / 118,092 McCain
    NV: 4,773 Obama / 5,651 McCain
    NM: 67,531 Obama / 93,674 McCain


    GRAND TOTAL: 16,928,770 Obama / 9,122,079 McCain

    Some states are missing from the list. I did not include the votes of any states where one party held a primary and the other party held a non-head count caucus, because that is like comparing apples to oranges -- you can't fairly say that one or the other won. If you add all the votes, Obama is close to 18,000,000 and McCain is around 9,400,000.

    Just think, Obama bested McCain like this, even though he was splitting the vote with his formidable opponent, Clinton, who walked away with half of the Democratic electorate.

    The next time someone tells you that "Obama can't win the general election" you might want to refer them to these results.

    • Posted By: Genevieve01 @ 06/08/2008 2:07:45 PM

      You sort of failed to take into account, the reason the Democrats drove up the number of primary votes was because it was a closely contested race between Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton. Everyone knew from fairly early on that Sen. McCain was going to be the nominee, so why go out and vote for something which is basically determined?
      If this were actually the case, why is Sen. McCain so close to Sen. Obama in the polls for the General Election and some polls showing them tied? Sen. Kerry had a 17 pt. lead after his candidacy was determined.

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls


      • Posted By: Occam @ 06/08/2008 2:14:28 PM

        What a moron. Why don't we just use those votes and save some time.

  • Posted By: hope-3 @ 06/08/2008 1:10:15 AM

    I hate to tell you this folks but the first town hall meeting between MCcain and Obama will say it all.I think Mcain believes as a military man he has some kind of an advantage.Boy, is he sadly mistaken.

    • Posted By: shallbe @ 06/08/2008 10:36:29 AM

      20 years at trinity church with the reverand wright should give Obama the advantage i suppose.

      • Posted By: jupitor @ 06/08/2008 1:21:58 PM

        no, what give obama the advantage is mccains temper and his memory problems. I'd check mccains ear for a direct connection to joe lieberman to keep him on track during the meeting. This is aman who can't keep shite and sunni diference's in his mind , or stop saying that Iran is training Al Queda and sending them back into iraq! for you who don't know Al Queda and Iran are sworen enemies! This is what your Mr. Obama has against Your Mr. Mccain!

  • Posted By: jack_heismann @ 06/08/2008 10:43:36 AM

    Despite the rants above about John McCain, there are many issues that raise serious concerns about Obama's electability. At times that list seems uncomfortably long. In my heart, he has the presence of a man brining hope to America in an age of vicious partisan politics and incompetent domestic and foreign policy. But listening closely, Obama has expressed few real ideas to solve these problems while some of his concepts are downright foolhardy.
    - -
    He waffles and does so badly. We've just begun to see the changes in his positions from the primaries (much less his state and Senate record), and I can envision a McCain campaign that compares Obama to Kerry or even George McGovern. The press has treated him, for the most part, with kid gloves. They may still do so through election day, but McCain won't. And Obama is clearly vulnerable on political, ethical and judgment issues. I'm concerned about the smiles and upbeat message of hope. How long will this smile remain, how long will Michelle speak appropriately in the face of what is likely to be a mutual Swift Boat barrage by both parties.
    - -
    While it's easy to bash McCain, he has experience that Obama can never hope to acquire by election day. In fact it seems that Obama has gone out of his way to avoid the hard experiences -- such as a visit to Iraq -- that would force him to discuss substance. A visist that would make it impossible for him to stick to his trademark feel-good speak. In a word, "reality" is Obama's ultimate weakness.
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    Yes, today, Obama is a rock star. But that star can quickly fade in the face of hard choices. We've seen voters turn quickly from "feel good" to "smart decisions" in many prior elections. Clearly Obama can win. But the baggage he carries is heavy, and the road to election day is hard and long.
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    Jack Heismann

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/08/2008 1:14:39 PM

      Hi Jack, thanks for your thoughtful comments. I had a few point in response.

      Obama HAS visited Iraq. He was there on an official State mission with the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee.

      Yes, McCain has more years in the Senate compared to Obama. But don't discount Obama's 12 years of legislative experience. Both candidates have legislative experience. Neither one of them has executive experience running a government. They both would have a learning curve as President.

      Yes, McCain will try to Swift Boat Obama. I really hope that by now, Americans see how underhanded this is and will refuse to credit spurious, unsubstantiated claims. And honestly, after Bush made a bloodbath of McCain by Swift Boating him in 1999, I should think that McCain would know better than to employ those really unfair dishonest tactics. Obama has already said that he will not stoop to it.

      Jack, you seem like a thoughtful person. Would you consider reading Obama's book Audacity of Hope? It might settle some of your doubts. And even if you are still not sure about Obama afterwards, the book is an interesting political history of the United States and a great read.

    • Posted By: jupitor @ 06/08/2008 12:56:54 PM

      But jack there is some thing you forgot in your long winded speech , as many has on here! Obama was intellegent enough to put smart people around him, who knew what they were doing. While there has been one upset after another in Both clinton and Mccains chosen group, not one unrest showed through in obama's choosen people! Secon: He beat a clinton machine that has been building bases in all states accross the U.S. for the last twenty years! Now that in itself took a lot of intelligence, and planning for the here and now, and future. Third: He set up a Money Finance Machine that kept giveing, giveing and still giveing. that Kind of knowledge, and usage of high tech finance's far out beat Mccains poor finance drive , as well as beat Clintons twenty year finance Machine! Now the big whooper for ya all! While Mccain supported the War on false intelligence and didn't reconize the false intellilgence, Obama studied the fight with in the kurds,shite, and sunni sec's and understood that only saddam was keeping peace int he middle east, and he voted against this war because he did understand a civil war would break out! Now, Jack ; Do you call that kind of intelligence s " trade mark feel good speech". Clinton made that same mistake! She underestimated this very savy , intelligent,learned man and she got beat. He will study every thing at hand before makeing decision! He'll ask questions, deligate work, and surround himself with the most knowledgable people available! That's a true sign of a great leader, you watch and see1

  • Posted By: shallbe @ 06/08/2008 10:49:26 AM

    Ever heard Obama give an interview or speak without a prepared text, you know just an off the cuff interview? Looks like what we have here is a black Dan Quayle. This guy might might be worse then Bush when it comes to nontext type speaking, get a load of this dude he aint all that bright.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/08/2008 11:02:21 AM

      57 states? Potatoe? I see the connection... ha ha Wasn't Qualye a Lawyer too?

      • Posted By: Izziemom @ 06/08/2008 12:19:33 PM

        just like the Clintons, you are really underestimating him. Obama is brilliant. You can say a lot of things about him that are might have truth -- he's a phony, he doesn't have experience, he's too big for his britches, he's inconsistent, you don't like his policy proposals -- but to say he's not that bright shows that you aren't. The reason he's gotten so far is precisely BECAUSE of his brilliance. I don't think there is a person who has come into contact with him professionally would say otherwise. McCain on the other hand has apparent sincerity, integrity, and experience on his side, but I don't think his IQ can stand up to Obama's.

        People who don't like him are engaging in wishful thinking on this one.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/08/2008 11:56:59 AM

    I've seen Dan Quayle, and I've seen Barack Obama, and I can tell you, shallbe and zombiehero, Dan Quayle is no Barack Obama.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/08/2008 11:54:06 AM

    I look forward to the town meetings. They are Mc Cain's idea. Obama immediately accepted, though he does better in other forums. The reason that Obama immediately accepted is clear. He now has Mc Cain trapped in a forum of Mc Cain's own choosing.
    Obama has just finished a race in which each time he prevailed, the goal posts were moved, the boundaries were moved and the numbers were faked to make it seem as if he lost. But, with Mc Cain being the one to challenge Obama into this Town Meeting duel, he has no exit, no boundary stretcher, no goal post mover, and no loaded adding machine that always shows that he is ahead.
    I am going to pop me some popcorn and sit back and enjoy the show(s).

  • Posted By: myvoice63 @ 06/08/2008 5:17:14 AM

    Why does being a former prisoner of war make you a more qualified presidential candidate?

    • Posted By: shallbe @ 06/08/2008 10:31:43 AM

      How does being a senator for 3 years and having no accomplishments in your background qualify one to being president.. being a pow for 5 years doesnt qualify you to be presidient but at least he has 5 years of something.

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/08/2008 11:04:26 AM

        Don't forget Obama has all those years in the Ill Senate when he was stealing Bills and signing his name to them to get the credit. That's got to count for something.

  • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/08/2008 10:09:54 AM

    These are going to be great debates. Barack will show up in runnig gear and mcCain will show up as usual with Cindy closer than a siamese twin to hold him up. Every time I see the two of them coming down the stairs from Cindy's plane, it's like looking at a NASCAR race, i'm expecting a crash any minute. McCain thinks townhall meeting will be better for him than TV debates because he will pack the hall halfway with his supporters and Fox News can report the cheers and call it a win. . He knows full well if he has to answer a question that he didn't expect, his only recourse would be to get angry.
    Can you imagine him having to answer 5 or 6 followups on the iraq war. When are we getting out? Why didn't you speak out againt Bush/Cheney/Powell/Rice and Rumsfeld when you knew they were cooking up the fake evidence?

  • Posted By: wtammelleo@yahoo'com @ 06/08/2008 9:56:02 AM

    "I didn't say that, ...they were in my prepared remarks." Alzehimers started already?, or he is even dumber than the current occupant of the White House?

  • Posted By: coolrepublica @ 06/08/2008 3:01:11 AM

    I love this man!

    McCain is the man for the Job. Anyone who disagrees has a right to do so. It's America afterall.

    • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/08/2008 9:49:07 AM

      Don't you find it hard to love a man who will sacrifice our young women iand men in iraq just to gain the support of the right wing republicans?

  • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/08/2008 8:35:15 AM

    He's known for his bravery and courage for his time as a POW. Where was his bravery and courage when it was time to stand up to Bush and Cheney when they invented the evidence to send 4000 plus young women and men to their deaths in Iraq? He put the support of the right wing of his party ahead of those lives.

  • Posted By: myvoice63 @ 06/08/2008 5:19:29 AM

    This man doesn't have one compelling word to say at all. Why do people think that because he was once a prisoner of war, that that makes him a qualified presidential candidate?

  • Posted By: GregHere @ 06/07/2008 5:27:41 PM

    ........................First think if McCain is going to beat a Rock Star I think McCain must quickly grow a full scalp of hair soon.....then second I think McCain must get together with Huckabee or one of his Fundamentalist Preaching Friends and pray very intensely that Hillary Clinton does not join Obama to campaign as V.P. If those two stars lined up together now then McCain should just give and go back to Red Rock and hang out with the coyotes for the rest of the year.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/07/2008 11:13:07 PM

      As much as there are non supporters of Hillary and non supporters of Obama, I cant picture those two on a ticket not automatically cancelling out any chance for Mr. McCain to win in the fall. But then, that is a huge decision for Obama to ask her and another huge decision for her to accept. Well, Hillary did what was right either way today. She made a great speech in support of Obama and his supporters and a push for unity. We'll see how that will go moving forward.

  • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/07/2008 5:33:58 PM

    I think John mccain should bend down, put his head between his knees and kiss his ass goodbye.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/07/2008 11:07:57 PM

      Thanks for your 2 cents bella, but they add nothing to an intellectual dialogue. At least come up with something funny and amuzing that we laugh in jest too.

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