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  • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/10/2008 3:10:34 PM

    the 23%ers describe John McCain as a Honorable man. In there dictionary the term honorable would include one who would send our young soldiers to their deaths in iraq to garner the right wing vote of his party and help him to realize his ambition.

    In the dictionary use by those who are really honorable that meaning would describe a sociopath. Vote McCain and share the responsibility for those that will be sent to their deaths in a war that you know is wrong.

    • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/10/2008 3:46:09 PM

      The only thing wrong bella, is you dragging the hide off of your knuckles. And your brain is so small, the pain doesn't even register.

  • Posted By: raddave @ 06/10/2008 3:44:17 PM

    Comment: In the Supreme Court Case "United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 1898" The Supreme Court ruled a person born within the territorial boundaries of the United States is eligible for birthright citizenship regardless of the nationality of his or her parents. The only exceptions to this rule identified in Wong Kim Ark concern diplomats, enemy forces in hostile occupation of the United States, and members of Native American tribesborn on U.S. soil. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, which has been a territory of the U.S. since 1898, so unless Obama is WAY older than John McCain, he is a natural born Citizen. The law that is referred to on the website that you posted would apply to a child of a U.S. Citizen and a foreign citizen that was born outside the U.S.

  • Posted By: VotersIssues @ 06/10/2008 2:50:33 PM

    http://word.truthintheword.org/archives/1430


    Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between ???December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? .

    • Posted By: raddave @ 06/10/2008 3:40:47 PM

      In the Supreme Court Case "United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 1898" The Supreme Court ruled a person born within the territorial boundaries of the United States is eligible for birthright citizenship regardless of the nationality of his or her parents. The only exceptions to this rule identified in Wong Kim Ark concern diplomats, enemy forces in hostile occupation of the United States, and members of Native American tribesborn on U.S. soil. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, which has been a territory of the U.S. since 1898, so unless Obama is WAY older than John McCain, he is a natural born Citizen. The law that is referred to on the website that you posted would apply to a child of a U.S. Citizen and a foreign citizen that was born outside the U.S.

  • Posted By: LMAO @ 06/10/2008 3:20:34 PM

    I struggle to understand the hullabaloo over Mr. Obama. As a black person living in America , I personally think it is a disgrace that folks rush to elevate a man who was complicit in the self-destruction of the black community. For 20 years he sat by and allowed trusting black folks to wallow in the self-defeatism dished out by Rev. Wright. This is the same defeatist thought that is echoed through the African-American community today. Where was the message of "HOPE & CHANGE"? Where was the "YES WE CAN" cry when it was needed most? Who better to transform that backward thinking group than someone unscathed by the 60s? Just think what could have been if Mr. Obama had shown a modicum of leadership (or at the very least walked away). But he did absolutely nothing! Just thinking of his non-action send chills through my bones and evokes a wellspring of sadness that will never be assuaged.



    I am even more grateful today that I was blessed with parents whose vision have long transcended race. Failing that, I and siblings could have easily been among the causalities of the missteps and missed opportunities that were there for the taking after the Civil Rights era. The selfless action by M art in Luther who paid the ultimate price is who should be lauded as being a hero "for all of us that have dreams and hope". That is, he did what was right without a single thought of the personal gains (or harm) to himself.



    Finally, I would challenge every voter this November to think well on this and ask yourself if you could with a clear conscience give this man a pass - NO I CAN'T. For we become who we are by the folks we look to as heroes.

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/10/2008 3:31:07 PM

      Nice try! Obama is leading by 8points in the polls. Maybe next time, "black man".

  • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/10/2008 3:28:37 PM

    Well LMAO, it looks like you're going to become a person who is willing to kill our soldiers. Is that who you want to be known as? I don't remember you describe yourself as black in your prior comments. Did this just happen?

  • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/10/2008 3:23:05 PM

    In case the 23%er is a new term to some of us, it refers to those lunitic fringe Republicans who have no problem sending young women and men to fight and die in iraq, even though they fully understand that the war was cooked up by their idols and that everything Bush/Cheney/McCain/Rice say about the progress there is a lie. Dispicable persons all.

  • Posted By: mcleodmn @ 06/09/2008 8:48:44 PM

    Am I the only on that thinks this election is going to be an ass whooping in Obama's favor? I have been for Obama this whole time, but when I take the most objective perspective I am capable of, I see the republican party caving in on itself. I see a boring republican candidate that isn't well liked by the party's core constituancy. I see a country that has been driven to two wars and economic peril by the worst president in the history of our country(literally) who is a republican. I see republicans leaving their party in droves and I see republican politicians losing elected positions across the country. To say nothing about the McClellan scandal.

    And the dems? Look at the voter turn out and new registered democrats. Our candidate is young, wildly inspiring, intelligent and constantly compared to JFK, RFK, and MLK. These are some of the most cherished fiugures in american history! We just had the most facinating primary between to of the most capable candidates in memory. Sure, some Hillary supporters are going to stray from the democratic party, but to assume that there are going to be enough people that crazy(and that IS crazy) to sway the election in favor of the walking embodiment of the ways of old??? I just don't think thats possible. I'd like to give Americans more credit than that. I'm not suggesting we let our guard down, I just think we are about to deliver a left hook that the republicans will feel 100 years from now.

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/09/2008 9:21:50 PM

      Re: "Am I the only on that thinks this election is going to be an ass whooping in Obama's favor?"

      NO! There are many of you!!! YES WE CAN ... YES WE CAN ... YES WE CAN!!

      OBAMA / FONDA '08

      • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/10/2008 8:53:20 AM

        Fonda? Surely you don't mean Hanoi Jane do you? Your mans gonna get whipped bad enough, do you want him to never be able show his face in public again?

        • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/10/2008 11:16:38 AM

          HUA !

          OBAMA HAS A VERY GOOD CHANCE.

          MC CAIN HAS A VERY OLD CHANCE.

          BUT, I DO AGREE ON FONDA.

          BAD ACTRESS, BAD ANTI-AIRCRAFT GUN WAR ACTIVIST.

          HOLYWOOD HERO, GOT HER AWARDS BASED ON ENTITLEMENT --- HER DADDY WAS THE BEST !

          KLUTE AND COMING HOME -------BOTH SLEEPERS; SHOWS FONDA SPREADS HER LEGS FOR WINS.

          PETER ACTUALLY MADE A GOOD MOVIE " UHLES GOLD "----- SPELLING UNKNOWN.

          • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/10/2008 2:56:19 PM

            tired - YES, THEY BOTH STAND A GOOD CHANCE.

            IT MAY BE CLOSE WHO KNOWS.

            BUT HANOI JANE?

            THIS TRAITOR DESERVES ..SAY...5 AND 1/2 YEARS IN A SMALL PINE BOX.

            ABOUT 6 FEET UNDER.

      • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/10/2008 11:05:25 AM

        I AM ANOTHER " ON "; EXCEPT, TONE DOWN THE BRAGGING.

        WHEN THE RACE IS DECIDED THEN BE DELIGHTED.


      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/10/2008 10:33:49 AM

        No way to Jane Fonda. Enough. Please.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/10/2008 12:53:47 PM

      Yup theres a lot of you guys out there that think that! but it will be a banner day for kleenex sales when Mr. Mccain takes the election and Msnbc declares he stole the vote in florida. Keith olberman Waxes poetic about how this country just wasn't ready for a black president and Chris Mathews declares that bottom line it just came down to people not being able to pull the lever for the better candidate just because he was black. Meanwhile Fox news will announce that Bill Oreilly day has been declared by the new president and Hannity and colmes will now just be Hannity as Colmes is no longer welcome on the fair and balanced network.

  • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/10/2008 8:39:31 AM

    Please, please Senator, wimper, wimper, please agree to townhall meetings, wimper, wimper, you know I'm to old to answer any unscripted questions, wimper, wimper. Please don't ask me why I didn't have the courage to expose Bush/Cheney when I knew they cooked up the evidence to send over 4000 of our troops to their deaths in Iraq. wimper, wimper. Do ask me why I am still refusing to go against them, wimper, wimper. You know i need their support and if it costs a few thousand more deaths of our young men and women, i'm good with that.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/10/2008 2:45:39 PM

      OMG Bella ! This is too funny, I am laughing so hard that I am actually crying. CNN & MSNBC both were asking why in the world would McCain choose to be in the same room with Obama? Does he want to appear even more fraile and doddering (spelling??). Did you notice the difference between McCain and Obama's speeches, I do not mean the amount of people as there is no reason to mention that LOL I mean during Obama's speeches, all you hear is enthusiasm even when he is speaking. During a McCain speech you are able to hear coughing and sneezing, I think that most of the people are probably asleep LOL.

      I really do not understand how anyone could seriously consider voting for McCain

    • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/10/2008 8:54:47 AM

      That's right

  • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/10/2008 8:46:50 AM

    It's the Economy Stupid! It's not about the 4000 young men and women that Bush/Cheney/Rice/Powell and rumsfeld sent to die in iraq after faking evidence to fool the world into supporting their plot.

    It's the Gas prices Stupid. It's not about the several thousand more young women and men that McCain is willing to sacrifice just to get the Right wing wacko Mouth-Breathers to vote for him.

    • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/10/2008 9:35:22 AM

      It's the WORLD economy stupid! It's China and India starting to use gas like the U.S. stupid! And we are WINNING in Iraq stupid! Should this 4000 die for NOTHING stupid? Or should we just dump the Iraqi people and piss off the Middle east even more stupid? And let IRAN start WWIII when it strikes Israel with nukes STUPID! Or are you STUPID stupid?
      Thought so...

      • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/10/2008 10:22:06 AM

        Okay what will you say when McBush change his position again and give a time frame of pulling the troops.

        Obama 08'

        • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/10/2008 10:49:35 AM

          I'd say we still need bases like we have in Japan and Germany.

          • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/10/2008 12:16:29 PM

            You know if we quit giving these liberals our change at gas stations they may starve to death. Or better yet if we give them an extra buck they may Overdose. Hmm tough choices.

            • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/10/2008 2:43:06 PM

              one - two very good points.

      • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/10/2008 9:43:59 AM

        It's always good to hear from one of the 23%ers. Why don't you get your head out of ole rushbo's butt long enough to let some air get to your brain/ Mmaybe there's still hope for you.

        Or maybe you don't have a problem with sending youngsters to die in Iraq like the rest of the 23%ers.

        You don't even make a point, just a parrot for the wacko group you're part of.

        • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/10/2008 10:17:51 AM

          Sorry bella - I DID vote for Bush, but what choice did we have? Kerry? We all agree the war needs to end, but we can't just leave the Iraqi's, the job needs to be finished,
          So you can spout you stupid crap, and I can't even put down FACtS? Where is the source of your "Polls" bella, you never did say did you?

          • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/10/2008 10:30:21 AM

            HUA !

            WITH THAT LOGIC WE SHOULD STILL BE IN VIETNAM --------- NOT !

            I VOTED FOR BUSH, TOO !

            GLAD TO SEE SODOMY SAM MEET HIS DOOM !

            WE STLL GOT AFGANISTAN.

            OUR ECONOMY NEEDS FIXIN.

            A WAR BASED ON LIES NEEDS TO END; PERHAPS ANOTHER DAY.

            NEXT TIME LETS MAKE OLD PEOPLE GO TO WAR; ALONG WITH THE POLITICIANS.

            OH ! THE POLITICOS STAY PRIVATES.

    • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/10/2008 8:58:50 AM

      There are some of Hillary supporters who have decided to vote for another candidate other than Barack Obama not a big majority as they claim, if you watched the special two days ago it stated more Hillary supporters are leaning to vote Obama. One voter who was interviewed stated at first she was sad but she understands our Country need a change of leadership and fast. Obama policies for the future is similar to Hillary and not McCain. I quote her remark " WHY WOULD I VOTE FOR A MAN WHO HAS A TOTAL DIFFERENT POSITION THAN WHAT I BELIEVE".

      OBAMA 08'

      • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/10/2008 9:10:31 AM

        Right on! I'm a Hillary supporter and I confess to having a few hard feelings left over from the primary. If anyone thinks I would vote for a man who is ready and willing to send a few thousand more of our finest and bravest young women and men to their deaths just to appease the right wing of the republican party they are sadlty mistaken.

        The latest polls on the iraq war have only 23% of the american people willing to stay in Iraq while they try to establish a government. all of the rest of us want immediate withdrawal. Only a heartless person would want to be part of that 23% group. I will not vote to kill soldiers just to vent my frustration for not having Senator Clinton as the nominee. I will not kill young women and men just to spite Senator Obama. What kind of a person could live with themselves after doing that?

        • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/10/2008 9:24:17 AM

          bella - could you please give the source of this poll? Just curious...

          • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/10/2008 10:15:05 AM

            The Boston Globe reports:
            Soldier suicide rate hits record high
            115 dead in '07; Army says toll climbing in '08 -At least 115 soldiers killed themselves last year.

            As of Monday, there had been 38 confirmed suicides in 2008 and 12 more deaths that are suspected suicides under investigation, The suicide rate continues to rise.

            Obama = CHANGE

        • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/10/2008 9:22:46 AM

          exactly, not only that let me remind the American people that our soldiers suicide rate is up 40%. That should be stressed when you have people claiming to vote republican to prove a point. I have never seen such ignorance in my life. This is a chance for us to unite and stand up to change our government, but you have some folks who go day by day trying to get Hillary supporters to vote McBush. Here is the story out today.


          When it comes to economic policy, Barack Obama's standard campaign crack that a John McCain administration would amount to a third term of George W. Bush contains an awful lot of truth. Yes, McCain is a different man, with a different history, who will face a different set of challenges and opportunities than Bush has. But look through McCain's campaign pledges on the economy, and for the most part they really do amount to a continuation of two key policy priorities of the Bush administration: cutting taxes and moving more economic decisions (and responsibilities) into the hands of individuals.

          McCain economic adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin tried over the weekend to make the case that it's Obama who more closely resembles Bush because they're both big spenders. But it's hard to see that one sticking. If this election becomes a referendum on the recent performance of the U.S. economy, Obama wins and McCain loses. It's as simple as that.

          It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the republicans should be OUT.

          OBAMA 08'

      • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/10/2008 10:03:12 AM

        YOU ARE SO RIGHT GRIFF !

        I AM CONFIDANT THAT REAL DEMOCRATS WILL DO THE RIGHT THING.

        THE FAKE DEMOCRATS WILL SUPPORT REPUGNANT REPUBLICANS.

      • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/10/2008 9:29:05 AM

        This woman was OBVIOUSLY a "liberal" democrat. The "Reagan" dems are an entirely different matter. More middle of the road like McCain. and there seems to be alot more of them than those who will jump to Hussein. One clip I saw had McCain 3 out of 4 interviewed.

  • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/10/2008 9:59:34 AM

    JOHN MC CAIN STRATEGY = ITS GOOG TO BE OLD, REALLY OLD, REALLY REALLY OLD -- REALLY !

    VOTE FOR ME ! NOT THE YOUNG KID OBAMA.

    OBAMA IS IN HIS MID 40's TOO YOUNG !

    I ( JOHN MC CAIN ) ON THE OTHER HAND AM CLOSER TO DEATH ----- REALLY !

    CHECK MY EXPIRATION DATE : ? TOLD YOU I WAS OLD ! REALLY OLD !

    I AM ANTIQUE OLD !

    I WAS FOUND IN THE ISRAEL DESERT, IN AN ANCIENT VASE.

    I HELPED BUILD THE PYRAMIDS, AZTEC TEMPLES, FIRST MC DONALDS RESTAURANT --- REALLY !

    EXCUSE ME ! WHO AM I AGAIN ?

    YOUR KIDDING ?

    THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ---------- ?

    COME ON ! WHO AM I REALLY ?

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/10/2008 2:37:37 PM

      Hi T,

      You are too funny, have a very pleasant day

    • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/10/2008 10:48:14 AM

      tired - YOU MUST HAVE HAD YOUR CUP OF JOE THIS MORNING, YOU'RE ON A ROLL!

      BUT THE FIRST MC D'S?

      I THOUGHT THAT WAS RAY CROC?

      I DIDN'T KNOW HE HELPED WITH THE PYRMIDS...

      HECK, YOU LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY...

      • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/10/2008 11:28:39 AM

        I AM A JOE FOR TEA, ACTUALLY !

        HUA ! CHICKEN CROSSING, A REAL INSPIRATION, GOT ME ON RIGHT TRACK.

  • Posted By: thrakenglarv @ 06/09/2008 6:40:17 PM

    What I find troubling about McCain is the sustance he is choosing to run on. I find myself disconnected to his set of values. Some will then say how can you not want to protect America? I do, I just to not think that McCain vision of how to protect America resonates in the 21st century. I listen to his contiuation of cold war policies, have a bigger miliarty, spend more than they can, bomb them or a nieghbor to intimidate them. I have heard this President say and McCain repeat "this is the idealogical struggle of our generation". You do not spread the ideal of democracy by force or corersion. By all appreneces so far that would still be McCain's foriegn policy. I do not find his policy of tax breaks for coroporations or the wealthy beneficial. I believe that history shows that the highest amount of capital investment occured when the tax rate on the wealthest American was a 28%. It is not that I want anyone taxed unfairly. But, I feel that it is the duty of those that prosper from this nation to give back. As the wealthy often do not serve in her military this is one way they can do their patriotic duty with litttle inconvience to their lifestlye. I have also struggled with McCain's resent refusal of the new GI bill. I find it hard to beleive that a veteran has turned his back on others. While I believe John McCain to be a fine Man I do not believe he is the man for America we need to be moving forward in a differnt direction not backward into the cold war politics and idealogy of the past.

    • Posted By: clevelandsucks @ 06/09/2008 7:29:58 PM

      First off, you're right people who earn a living SHOULD contribute to paying their fair share of taxes. However, so should those who DON'T work! Forget getting illegal aliens to work "jobs AMericans don't want" get Americans who don't want to work to work those jobs! That's the problem with Obama "saving the poor"- they're not accountable for anything- they just collect a check. Meanwhile, working people like you and I have to pay more taxes to "save the poor". Wealthy Americans contribute by investing in the stock market, starting businesses, and spending money at the store- why should they be punished for making a good living?
      Second, McCain is NOT ANTI GI BILL. McCain favored a revised GI Bill that would boost benefits for those who reenlist. As an Operation Iraqi Freedom Veteran (3 rd BN 2nd Marines 2nd MarDiv Lima Co. 2nd Plt) and someone who served 4 years honorably, I am not offended. Those reenlistees gave some, then chose to re-up and give some more- they should rightfully get more in return.
      Let's be realistic here- if we have a huge military and keep things cool with our allies, who is gonna mess with the U.S and our buddies? NOBODY! Obam-bam's idea of keeping the country safe is by telling the troops that they're fighting is worthless and that their dead buddy laying in the flag-covered casket died for nothing, therefore he is a waste of life anyway. What a piece of garbage. How dare a Marine/soldier, airman, or sailor die in order to free oppressed people so that they can live in a free domocratic and capitalist society. Give me a break- ANYONE who votes for ANY poitician who doesn't support the troops and how they're performing their duties should be tossed off of this side of the globe and go to Iraq and hug a terrorist. Yeah, maybe that's all Bin Laden needs is a hug and a big wet sloppy kiss from President Barry Obama! Then we can all sing Kumbaya with the terrorists and live happily ever after.
      Lastly, don't buy into the whole Obamamania. His views are not American views- they're socialist. He's for a big government that taxes ALL businesses, ALL people, and then redistributes the money amongst the common folk. Plus, he's an anti-gun nut. Why does he think that a governemt in a capatilist country (where your free to earn your OWN money) that the government should put its nose into the private enterprise? S-O-C-I-A-L-I-S-M. That's why.

      • Posted By: thrakenglarv @ 06/09/2008 8:31:11 PM

        I would like to begin by thanking you for your service. As former member of the Army and Natioanal Guard I celebrate all those who chose to serve this country. As a third generation military family member and son of a 20 year retiree I also have great respect for those who re-enlist and what their families give up for their service. However your response does not answer the question of McCains support for veterans. As those that re-enlist are still active members of the service. If your argument is that those that serve more deserve more I agree and I think that the new GI Bill passed by congress is a good starting point and place to build from. If your argument is in line with McCain that it will drive members out of the service, my answer is boost the benefits of servicemembers to increase retention and recruitment. I agree with you that we need to do a better job getting Americans to work. We need a President who will help create quality job in industries that will not leave this country when it is profitable somewhere else. I also agree that it is horrible that those of use who can pay taxes support both those who chose not to work and the tax breaks (corporate wellfare) that supports out capialist system. I guess this is were we may part on taxes. I do not see taxes as a punishment. I see it as my responsibility as an American. This is how my government guarentees my safety, education of the next gerneration, a good economic system, a peaceful transfer of power, ect??? None of these items and too many more to mention do not happen without our tax dollars. While we can disagree on how to disperse tax dollars, we as Americans for the most part do agree that our government has resposibilities that require our tax dollars.
        I am going to ask for clarification on your argument about the worthlessness of soldiers deaths.

        • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/10/2008 2:35:15 PM

          corporate welfare- is a silly concept dreamed up by left wing politicos. Corporations produce goods and services which benefit the country the government produces nothing they only take and their biggest source too take from is the corporations. This country is built on commerce the government does not fund corporations sometimes like in the case of Bear Stearns the Government will come in and make an otherwise diresituation better by offering guarantees or tax breaks but I assure you Bear Stearns has generated more income for the government over its lifetime than the government gave back to Bear. By the way the investors in Bear stearns all lost money the Guarantees where to protect the citizens that had investments run through bear stearns.

          Wow that may be a new record for off topic sorry kids I will try and stay focused next time

      • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/10/2008 2:29:04 PM

        Go clevland go! Your the man!

      • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/10/2008 8:30:10 AM

        Thank you cleveland,Well said.

      • Posted By: thrakenglarv @ 06/09/2008 8:31:47 PM

        I am confused, are you saying that because Obama wants to change the mission in the war on terror to focus on Al Queda and Afganistan that it reduces that irreplaceble value of the soldiers lives that have served with distiction in Iraq. If that is the case I would ask you to look at those lives lost not as in vein, but as soldiers sacrificing not for Iraqi freedom/ democracy, but giving the untilmate sacrifice so that their buddies can come home. It is always confusing to talk about the deaths of America servicemembers when you put a political reasoning behind them. I prefer to keep it simple and choose to believe I hope correctly that every service member it willing to exchange their life for that of their buddy. I know that as a former service member I counted on my buddies and they counted on me. When giving your life in the service of this country you are always protectiong another American no matter the political reasons for the war. This makes no life lost in service of this country in vein/ worthless.While I understand the fear of socialism, if you look seriously at our political structure we are already fairly socialist. (Democrat want government for the poor/ Republican want government for private industry) While you may feel Obama is to far to the left for you, he is clearly not a socialist. Obama???s policies are not even as socialist as those of our comtempory European allies. You and I can debate the merits of which system welfare is better for this country. I do not see how this has anything to do with John McCain cold war outlook on the world, when we need a new direction from a new stlye of leadership.

  • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/10/2008 12:24:30 PM

    From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my
    mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to
    suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to
    whites.'

    From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in
    nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity
    against my mothers race.'

    From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about
    him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself,
    maybe. And white.'

    From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to
    prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to
    the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

    From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men
    and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It
    was into my father's image, the black man, son of
    Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought
    in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm,
    DuBois and Mandela.'

    From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims
    should the political winds shift in an ugly
    direction.'

    • Posted By: cowen123456 @ 06/10/2008 12:45:58 PM

      Wow,...I had no idea these things were in his books...why didn't anyone expose this earlier! With what you just posted, I can completely see now why he attended that church. He attended that church because he shares their views!!!!! this is scary stuff.

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/10/2008 2:32:54 PM

        Why don't you try reading the books yourself. Believing everything you read on these boards is not really the smart thing to do, at least consider the source of the posting and their motivation behind it.

      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/10/2008 1:29:24 PM

        While you're researching, do some on McCain also.

        "MCCAIN IS A TRAITOR"

        CNN did a piece on McCain where he admitted giving the N. Vietnamese strategic points of U.S. soldiers. In return, he received favorable treatment from his captors.

        Google- "POWs against John McCain" or,
        -http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm or,
        -http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm or,
        - http://educate-yourself.org/cn/earlhopperinterview08feb08.shtml

      • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/10/2008 1:16:02 PM



        Your post says it all that you lack any real knowledge of the important issues at hand and will listen to and follow sound bites to form your opinions. typical of individuals who don't have enough or won't take enough time to read the Books and draw your own conclusions.
        Prove me wrong and read the books and read Johnnie Midnights also Barack Obamas books are well written and quite enlightning. John McCain's is hard to get through because it is so poorly written but most definately worth reading. Don't base your opinions on things that are posted out of context. If anything what was posted should have encuoraged you to go and read the books. Contextual evaluation is so much more rewarding and enlightning then believing a smear post as the truth without doing the research yourself.

        Some people children!

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/10/2008 1:27:32 PM

      "MCCAIN IS A TRAITOR"

      CNN did a piece on McCain where he admitted giving the N. Vietnamese strategic points of U.S. soldiers. In return, he received favorable treatment from his captors.

      Google- "POWs against John McCain" or,
      -http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm or,
      -http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm or,
      - http://educate-yourself.org/cn/earlhopperinterview08feb08.shtml

  • Posted By: concerned1979 @ 06/09/2008 6:44:49 PM

    to say that other countries had info. on iraq's wmds is like saying "that your friend said." the way i see it is if you are going to wage war you need to make 100% sure you have your facts straight. you cant pawn off a bad decision based on german and french intell. the wrong call was the wrong call no matter who told you whatever. the blood is on our hands not theirs

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/10/2008 2:24:20 PM

      How about the Kurdish Village that was gassed. Are all those dead kids bad intel? Maybe if you hear rumors that a country thats willing to kill an entire village with poison gas is looking to get their hands on Nuclear weapons you should take those rumors seriously. Maybe if you suspect Generals in that army are corrupt enough to sell Poison gas to Terrorists you take the threats seriously. Maybe if a country is shooting at your aircraft with sam sites everytime they go near an area you suspect has biological weapons you take those threats seriously. Or Maybe you just do nothing and hope fot the best and when a plane full of cilvilains flys into another building or a gas bomb goes off at the lakers game a nuclear device detonates in down town las vegas you just explain that even though you were told rumors about weapons of mass destruction in the hands of corrupt officials you waited until you had proof before you acted and your very sorry.

    • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/10/2008 8:28:35 AM

      concerned - Google Jack Straw's intel, that's where most of it came from. Saddam defied the U.S., and the rest of the world (U.N.) since Bush 1 was there. It was only a matter of time before he had to go down. Remember 9/11? That made every country in the world trigger happy. Except for muslim countries, they were dancing in the streets. Along with the liberal bunch in this country.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 06/09/2008 7:15:00 PM

      After all, the Gemans did warn the CIA that the source "curveball" was full of B.S. The Italians tried to tell the CIA that the reports of Iraq trying to by uranium from Niger were fake. But the Bush administration decided to use these as evidence of Iraq's WMD program.

  • Posted By: Chloe123 @ 06/10/2008 2:21:39 PM

    Substance and credibility- and not living in a fantasy world making promises you can never keep- MCCAIN will win on that alone. lol.

  • Posted By: felkermicklaptop @ 06/09/2008 5:31:42 PM

    I am a soldier doing my second year in a forien country IRAQ and believe the only chance in hell we have to finish and win this war is to vote for MR McCain. I have had firends die here and do not want their death and our progress to be for nothing. A wise man once said "Thoes who wish to reap the BLESSINGS of Freedom; like men must undergo the FATIGUES of SUPPORTING IT" . If you send me and my fellow man into combat you should have been in the Armed Forces of in Combat yourself. We need someone who has been in combat and knows what its like to send a someone to war. SSG FELK

    • Posted By: raddave @ 06/09/2008 5:56:48 PM

      Well neither Mr. Bush nor Mr. Chainey served in Combat, so by your argument, they should have not sent us to Iraq to begin with.

      • Posted By: mcleodmn @ 06/09/2008 6:27:43 PM

        How about someone that doesn't have to send you to war?

        • Posted By: felkermicklaptop @ 06/09/2008 6:47:05 PM

          Unfoutunately we are at war and for reasons that we are thats anyones opinion. But Iraq had i dont know how many resolutions that they broke, if you keep saying not to do somehting and they continue doing it, and you dont do anything time after time they, your words become just words. War sucks and it isnt as easy as you may think. We have to stand up for ourselves and do what we say or our word is nothing. I hope to never be here again it would be my 3rd tour.

          • Posted By: hotstuff @ 06/10/2008 1:50:15 AM

            felker, you still haven´t learned a thing!
            You need to do a 20th. tour!

            You´re fighting a DUMB war!
            Bush lied to you!
            Join Obama to save your ass!

            • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/10/2008 2:01:33 PM

              hotstuff your an idiot. That man is risking his life and taking time out of his busy day to tell dumb shits like you why he is over there. the reality is he shouldn't have to explain his situation it should be apparent hes an american doing whats right and screw you and the other lefties who think otherwise. You guys think this world is a lovely pleasant flower patch well its not. There are people who would kill you if given the chance just because your an american. Those people are heading in droves too iraq and our boys met them head on and kick the crap out of em on a daliy basis its dangerous work, its hot its miserable,, its frustrating and then they have to listen to you dipshits spout off about how much you care but want to bring them home because you love them. I want them to come home also but I understand why they are there and when the soldiers tell me they that the war is unjust or unnecesary then I will listen but as long as they are willing to fight and die for our freedom we should give them the respect they deserve. By the way the object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other poordamn bastard die for his! (Patton) Our soldiers are making the bad guys die in droves yes we have losses and they hurt but we will continue to try and get the best weapons and best support for our guys while they are there.

      • Posted By: clevelandsucks @ 06/09/2008 7:45:53 PM

        So what! At least Bush and Cheney don't go around telling lies about how our troops are hate-mongering lunatics and are losing the war to boot! Bush needed a battlegroung to fight the War on Terror- we got one now.

    • Posted By: jack8590 @ 06/09/2008 5:34:52 PM

      Like George W. Bush? God Bless you for your service but you can't tell me that Bush knew what it was like to serve. Can you?

      • Posted By: pramono @ 06/09/2008 5:40:25 PM

        Why is Bush relevant to McCain? Are you claiming that McCain did not serve?

        • Posted By: KelseyKline00 @ 06/09/2008 5:55:39 PM

          I'm going to assume they knew that McCain served... it has been a very large part of his political campaign... I think they were more trying to explain that just because someone served in the military, does not mean they would make a good president or know how to run the country. For example, George Bush, who many would argue has done a horrible job during his presidency (given his 22% approval rating.) Abraham Lincoln served one term in the House of Representatives before becoming the president of the United States, and became one of the greatest presidents in the history of the United States of America.

          • Posted By: Marc Berry @ 06/09/2008 6:19:04 PM

            Remeber Lincoln was also assaninated I wonder what his aproval ratings were??

            • Posted By: hotstuff @ 06/10/2008 1:43:28 AM

              Marc is insane!
              How come you´re not a miscarriage?

            • Posted By: KelseyKline00 @ 06/09/2008 6:29:30 PM

              ........ I really don't even know how to respond to that..

        • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/09/2008 6:23:17 PM

          He served, got captured, then ratted the U.S out.

          The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides
          Former POW Fights Public Access to POW/MIA Files

          http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm

          • Posted By: clevelandsucks @ 06/09/2008 7:47:37 PM

            You are a LIAR!!!! McCain wouldn't have been a POW for 5 1/2 years if he ratted out his buddies, you idiot!!!

            • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/09/2008 7:56:50 PM

              Do your own research, idiot. I can give you 6 sources that report the true account of McC's capture. CNN did a piece on McCain where he admitted giving the N. Vietnamese strategic points of U.S. soldiers. In return, he received favorable treatment from his captors.

              Google- "POWs against John McCain" or,
              -http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm or,
              -http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm or,
              - http://educate-yourself.org/cn/earlhopperinterview08feb08.shtml

              This is now mainstream knowledge, f*cking azzhole!! If you take your head outta your azz, and stop drinking that Kool-aid, you might learn something. Idiot.

        • Posted By: felkermicklaptop @ 06/09/2008 6:03:41 PM

          Im certainly not saying that if you have not served in military you would not be a good president, but if you ask the other oh 150,000 here in Iraq if it matters they would say yes it does. I go out and protect what ever we are hauling on these convoy missions, and by GOD they should feel my pain, and Understand what its like to spend a year and then another one without your family. It sucks, evern though I raised my right hand, it still sucks. Ask anyone who has served in any war and they will tell you that the President should know what its like. Bush hasn't done everything correct, but finally the last 2 years hes letting our military leadership do thier job, and not be micromanged by the Congress.

        • Posted By: jack8590 @ 06/09/2008 5:56:18 PM

          Good point. However, you make this a "false choice" because, in fact, the war was started under suspicious circumstances by a man who never served. Both candidates want out; the only choice is when and how. The administrations lack of experienced is clear from cliches such as "you go to war with the army you have" and "mission accomplished."

          It because obscene when we went with too few troops, too little armour, and treated wounded soldiers worse than criminals when they returned home. Now, FINALLY we need someone with experience? Where was the McCain voice in 2004 when the direction could have been changed? I hope McCain can lead us better than Bush, I really do. The choice isn't Obama or McCain, the choice is when and how.

        • Posted By: KelseyKline00 @ 06/09/2008 5:50:17 PM

          I think they are implying that just because a candidate served in the military does not mean they would make a good president. For example, George Bush, he served and obviously many people would argue he has failed miserably during his term (given his 22% approval rating.)

    • Posted By: skd500 @ 06/09/2008 11:14:43 PM

      Thank you for your service to this country, without a doubt I respect your opinion over all these others very much. I am sorry that you are still in Iraq, and I am even sorrier that you have had friends die in front of you. There are those of us here who think about you all every single day, and hope that this war will end, and pray for you every minute. Regardless of whether we agree on leadership, I truly respect you, your comrades, and everything you have to say to educate us back home about what is truly happening over there.............God Bless every one of you, the Iraqi people as well, and hope you have a safe return home. Thanks for allowing my opinion....skd500

    • Posted By: Rock08 @ 06/09/2008 5:39:55 PM

      SSG FELK, A true and Great American. thank for your service. Democrats just don't get it, they are
      out of touch with reality, and just want to take care of themselves, Government give me more type folks,
      as usual...It is the House and Senate that is the problem with America these days, but American will
      wake up and see the light, between now and the GE. It is not just about US anymore, the world is
      round and economy is GLOBAL, Democrats are NOT GLOBAL LEADERS, They are Communist
      LIBERAL, give me alls.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 06/09/2008 5:58:34 PM

        So if democrats are Communist Liberals, does that make Republicans, facist conservatives?

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 06/09/2008 5:39:22 PM

      THANKS FOR BEING THERE! GOOD THING IT'S YOUR SECOND, FOR MCCAIN THATS PATRIOTIC! ONE TOUR IS NOT, AND THIS IS HIS VA RULES HE WANTS TO PASS,FAIR??? NOT EVEN CLOSE HU?

  • Posted By: KelseyKline00 @ 06/09/2008 6:23:50 PM

    McCain thinks that Obama's economical plan is wrong... But McCain wants to keep us in the war for however long it takes... But that not only digs us into deeper debt but the American dollar is turning to s%$^ because of it. How can you seriously sit there and argue that you are right and Obama is wrong???

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/10/2008 1:40:24 PM

      Its really hard for Obama to be wrong when he hasn't said anything yet. Why don't you lay out his plan for Iraq. Why don't you lay out his plan for the economy. The only thing ive heard is I will tax the rich and create jobs. question one who is the rich. are you talking about small buisness owners who happen to be worth 1,000,000 (850,000 is tied up in there buisness and 150,000 is equity in their home) because they have risked everything and been successful or are you talking about billionaires who are smart enough to avoid just about anything you throw at them. Cause I don'[t see either of those as viable plans for getting the economy back in shape.

  • Posted By: Marc Berry @ 06/09/2008 7:48:11 PM

    its true Technicaly The honorable Mr. Obama is not an African American. His mother is a white woman. So I apolagize He is or would be consider multi racial. He was born in Hawaii So guesse what folks hes an American. And thank god you have to be a naturalized citezen to run. Otherwise Arnold would run and who know what would happen LOL

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/09/2008 8:00:59 PM

      He IS African-american, and IS also white american. He was born in Hawaii (a US state), his father is of African descent, and his mother was born in America. Whats the confusion?

      • Posted By: Tired of Double Standards @ 06/10/2008 1:40:20 PM

        actually his father was African. so obama is not of African-american origin, not a decendent of those freed from slavery in the US. hi color just comes in handy during theelection process.

  • Posted By: realist66 @ 06/08/2008 11:13:59 PM

    Again the liberals have thrown an empty suite into the race, I ask Obama supporters what he brings. My answer is change, is this what his entire campaign is running on. Looking at his short voting record as a senator I see more times than not he votes present on important issues, voting presents is like saying pass. The one time he did vote it was to vote down declaring English as the national language, change, I don't think so, just the same none sense. Tired of Americans being treated like second class citizens, as a democrat I'm voting for McCain and will continue to support the republicans until the democrats take their party back from the far left crazies. Unless you like liberal judges simply releasing child molesters, more Americans like the Oregon fire chief fired because he didn't speak Spanish, union & nonunion jobs lost, the end of Christmas, and working class seeing more and more of their hard earned money going to people who haven't worked a day in their useless lives you'll do the same.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 06/08/2008 11:25:01 PM

      realist66, you are wrong. Obama voted present when he was in the Illinois state senate, NOT in the US senate Obama did vote for the New G.I. Bill, while McCain was "too busy" at fund raisers in California. No one is trying to end Christmas. Stop spewing Bill Oreilley's B.S. and come up with something original.

      • Posted By: realist66 @ 06/08/2008 11:54:58 PM

        Really, not trying to end Christmas, with most people and stores saying happy holidays, instead of merry Christmas, and the aclu attacking anything that looks like a Christmas decoration, you could fool me.

        • Posted By: raddave @ 06/09/2008 12:20:16 AM

          Again you spew Bill Oreilly's B.S. The ACLU doesn't attack Christmas, they stand for everyone's civil liberties, that includes Non-Christians as well. The ACLU has a problem when Christmas decorations are used in Government controlled places because it give the appearance of the state trying to establish a national religion, which is a violation of the First amendment of the Constitution.

          • Posted By: realist66 @ 06/10/2008 1:32:07 PM

            I believe in separation of church and state and have no connection or any religion. They want to really enforce that than get lobbiest for the rainbow coalition & Christian coalition out of Washington, not attack a national holiday . I use to support the ACLU until they started on they're own political agenda, which more time than not is against Americans.

          • Posted By: Nins @ 06/09/2008 12:38:00 AM

            Thank you, Dave.

            Even Republicans favor the separation of church and state.

            All this "against Christmas" crap is just smoke and mirrors to keep the really important issues from being discussed. It is all about bread and circuses.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/09/2008 12:35:37 AM

      Realist66, you really shouldn't talk about Obama voting "Present" when he was in the Illinois State Senate, a body where voting Present is a commonly accepted practice among all the Senators. You are making me just itch to tell the world the truth about McCain's voting record (or lack thereof).

      In the first session of the 110th Congress (2007), McCain holds the dubious honor of missing, by a wide margin, more votes than any other Senator save one. The only one who missed more? That would be Senator Tim Johnson, who was recovering from a brain hemorrhage.

      The Washington Post has a database that tracks vote missed in the Senate. McCain missed a whopping 261 of 468 votes, about 56%. And it not because he wasn't there in the building. He refuses to vote on any bill that is controversial or that he might be criticized for. Consequently, he votes on almost all of the silly votes (like "Name a Daisy Day") but fails to be in the room when really important stuff is going down, like votes concerning the war in Iraq. Senator Harry Reid, the Senate Majority Leader became so angry with McCain about this that he took him task for it right on the Senate floor, saying "Senator McCain has spent considerable time defending the President on Iraq, but has only managed to show up for four of the last fourteen Iraq votes."

      In case you think I made that up, I will give you a reference: "McCain Missed Votes on Iraq Triggers Reid Rebuke" published in The Hill, May 17, 2007.

      You may be asking why would McCain not want to vote on Iraq? Because he already knew then that he would be running for President, and he knew the war was increasingly unpopular, and he didn't want the Democrats to be able to point to his record and say "Look how he votes on Iraq."

      McCain has also missed important votes on national security, funding of law enforcement, equipment for firefighters, and of course, his most recent no-show, on giving veterans the GI Bill. In fact, McCain misses more than half of his votes.

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/09/2008 6:27:56 PM

    How to beat a Rockstar? Hmmmmm.....

    Find a dead hooker in his trunk. That's the only thing that'll stop Obama from being our next President.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/10/2008 1:31:43 PM

      unnamed sources report there has been a dead hooker found in Obamas trunk.

      Obama- I didn't know the hooker was dead shes been in that trunk for twenty years.

    • Posted By: aad135 @ 06/09/2008 6:37:14 PM

      That dead hooker is already there and exposed for the whole world to see, yet, no one will open their eyes to the reality of that snake-oil salesman. Be specific BO, about the change you are going to do as President; does anyone know what he will change and how he will change it..? That's his dead hooker...

      MCCAIN 2008..!

      • Posted By: hotstuff @ 06/10/2008 1:25:01 AM

        aad, if after nearly 8 years of George Bush you still don´t know what NEEDS to be changed,
        one should really worry about your sanity!

      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/09/2008 8:12:14 PM

        But.....Obama is leading in all the polls. He's actually the front-runner against McTraitor!!

      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/09/2008 7:05:17 PM

        Mc must own a brothel then.
        Does anyone know how anyone is going to change anything?

    • Posted By: Marc Berry @ 06/09/2008 6:51:04 PM

      Enter Your Comment All of those high powerd rockstars usually end up at Betty Ford.

  • Posted By: rapidron @ 06/10/2008 12:45:00 PM

    We can see where you stand simply by reading your writing, and the irony is that you tell others to focus on education when it is obvious you're being nothing more than a facetious hypocrite. (and yes, go ahead and look up the word facetious)

    (While you???re at it, look up the word ???demagoguery???, and that seems what Republican candidates and supporters have preached for the last 8 years. And yes, I truly believe that before the last 8 years, of steady downward slide for this country into the muck, Republicans had much to say and a better way of saying it; nowadays, it seems preying on the fears and weakness of a population.)

    Before you flip out, know that I???m a moderate conservative who simply sees the writing on the wall and the weakness and fear of people being used. Let???s contrast that with someone who has at least tried to inspire change and instill hope, evident to anyone who takes their heads out of their asses long enough to actually pay attention.
    ry???, and that seems what Republican candidates and supporters have preached for the last 8 years. And yes, I truly believe that before the last 8 years, of steady downward slide for this country into the muck, Republicans had much to say and a better way of saying it; nowadays, it seems preying on the fears and weakness of a population.)

    Before you flip out, know that I???m a moderate conservative who simply sees the writing on the wall and the weakness and fear of people being used. Let???s contrast that with someone who has at least tried to inspire change and instill hope, evident to anyone who takes their heads out of their asses long enough to actually pay attention.

    • Posted By: jervis @ 06/10/2008 1:04:20 PM

      You are so right on. They are trying to scare and divide us, kinda like the primaries at the end. It won't work. The only way we get out of this mess is by uniting. The best thing Obama does that makes us like him is he is talking about how "WE" are the difference. The people of this great melting pot forgot that a long time ago. It started in the 50's and 60's with all the segregation issues and what not and the gov keeps getting more and more corrupt.

      This is the only nation where if we all gather round each other and speak in one voice we can get what we want. This is not a monarchy, it is a democracy. We should have ended Bush's term a long time ago. But there are so many people afraid because of what the gov tells us. I'm not afraid, I'm *** pissed. I'm pissed that I pay almost 3 dollars more a gallon for gas than I did 8 years ago. I'm pissed that education is sliding, and schools have to close. I'm pissed that incomes seem to get more and more different with the all ready wealthy making more, and the middles class, and lower incomes doing worse. And I am really pissed that with all of this we always have a government, and people that support corrupt losers like Dubya who can't even run a corporation without causing it to go bakrupt dividing us even more. That's right all you bigots, and fear mongerers your great prez ran every corporation he ever ran into the ground, but you saw him fit for a presidency because of his retarded name. Now guess what has happened to our once great nation, it is in the shitter to. Hmm IRONY AT IT'S *** BEST!!!

      Quit trying to divide us. My brothers and sisters and I of every damn color, age, education level, income level and what ever else you want to use to divide us are standing together and voting for someone who is for the people, of the people, and has our interests in mind. And I for one hope Obama is just the start. This government has been corrupt for too long. Let some of us non rich non old people run things a little and see what we can do. I can guarantee you this government would be a lot more people oriented than it is now.

      • Posted By: rapidron @ 06/10/2008 1:24:57 PM

        Right on, and much better stated than I ... :)

        Ideas, reason and intelligence are what made this country great and what this country needs. Fear mongering and division are EXACTLY what we see overseas and condemn, with examples in countries in the middle east, africa, everywhere.

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