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From the road in Florida last Friday morning, en route to a fund-raiser and then a tour of the Everglades, John McCain spoke with NEWSWEEK's Holly Bailey and Jon Meacham by telephone about the general election, Barack Obama, Iraq, prewar intelligence and the press. Edited excerpts:

NEWSWEEK: Sir, Senator Obama is a hugely gifted politician. This is a brutal year on a clinical level for any Republican to be running.
McCain:
Umhmm.

So what's the strategy? How do you overcome those two things?
Well, the strategy is the themes of reform, prosperity and peace, and I have the experience, background and a record and the kind of judgment to lead the country through extremely difficult times. There are threats to our economy that are incredibly serious—witness the unemployment numbers that just came out—and to our nation's security. I'm convinced that, using the kind of communications that won me the nomination of my party against significant odds, I will be able to gain the presidency as well. But I think it's got to do with substance, and it's got to do with a concrete plan of action for the future of the country.

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The other night you were using the trope "That's not change we can believe in." Watching, it struck me that fighting on somebody else's rhetorical field and offering a negative as opposed to a positive is not the most vigorous way forward.
Well, I think it's an important part of this campaign to point out that everybody wants change, but there is a right change and a wrong change. I believe that what Senator Obama is advocating is a return to the failed policies of the '60s and '70s—bigger government, higher taxes—and certainly not the same view on national-security challenges. So, I thought it was important to point out that there is a right change and a wrong change.

What did you and Senator Obama talk about [in a telephone call after Obama secured the nomination]?
Well, first of all, it was a private conversation, but second of all it was cordial. I congratulated him, as you might expect, and said I looked forward to the town-hall meetings and hoped we could get started right away. I would like to do 10 of them, starting with one next week at Federal Hall in New York.

I noticed you have gotten under his skin a little bit in terms of saying that "for a young man with no experience he's done quite well."
[Laughs.]

Did you watch him the other night when he accepted—
No, I didn't. I have watched other speeches that he's given, and I certainly admire his eloquence. I have said that a number of times.

In St. Paul, he said, to paraphrase, that he honors your achievements even though you choose to deny his.
We have sharp differences.

I think it's important to know that when he wants to have a specific withdrawal strategy, getting the troops out of Iraq, he has not sat down with General Petraeus, the leader of our troops over there. I think that needs to be pointed out to the American people because it's American lives that are on the line as we speak.

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  • Posted By: realist66 @ 06/27/2008 11:13:45 AM

    I'd agree that it would be the wrong change, because it's only aimed at the 17% of socialists, or communists as I like to call them in the U.S. However as time goes on I see Obama is no different than the clintons, ted kenedy, Kerry, Gore, and Edward, just another rich empty suite.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/20/2008 12:52:14 PM

    TYLER - The price of oil swelled to another record high Monday morning - before dropping back. It almost hit $140 a barrel - but then fell 25 cents. It appears - a recent increase in oil output from Saudi Arabia -- is not driving down crude prices. Former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, who started a bipartisan group called "American Solutions for Winning the Future" held little back at the Texas Republican Convention. He wants to use American solutions to change to the U.S. energy policy.

    Simply put - he's fed up with Congress: "The problem is not big oil or the foreigners," said Speaker Gingrich. "The problem is not the Saudis. The problem is getting Congress to do it's job." And that job, he says, is to start using the energy we have. "Congress outlaws every conceivable energy source," said Speaker Gingrich. Gingrich is making his case for domestic drilling by launching a campaign with Actor Chuck Norris, with the slogan: "Drill here, Drill now, Pay less." The campaign is urging Congress to do something now to bring down gas prices. Speaker Gingrich also has thoughts on speculators. "It's people who are betting the U.S. is too dumb to produce (its own oil)."


    He sides with East Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert -- when it comes to speculators and drilling. "If you began selling off two million barrels a day...we can pump out of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. It would immediately bring down the price of oil." Speaker Gingrich proposes selling off half of the reserve - now. "Do it suddenly..without telling anybody in advance and punish every speculator."The very speculators, he says, that are betting against America."

    GO TO WWW.AMERICANSOLUTIONS.COM AND SIGN THE PETITION !!!

  • Posted By: sirhc @ 06/19/2008 2:18:35 PM

    THE TRUTH IS MCCAIN IS THE SCARY ONE TO MOST PEOPLE AND THAT'S WHY OBAMA IS LEADING IN FLORIDA, OHIO AND PENN WHEN JUST WEEKS AGO HE WAS BEHIND IN ALL 3. UNDER YOUR THEORY-WOULDN'T HE BE DOING WORSE?

    1. MCCAIN IS 70+. SAY WHAT YOU WILL BE THAT CAN BE SCARY! YOU WANT TO SEE THAT AT 3AM?

    2. HE IS NOW IN LOCK STEP WITH BUSH ON THE ECONOMY-THAT'S SCARY!

    3. HE WON'T FIGHT PRO LIFERS AGAINST ABORTION ON INCEST AND RAPE-THAT MEANS A 12 YEAR OLD GIRL CAN BE GANG RAPED AND HAVE TO KEEP THE CHILD? THAT'S SCARY AND SICK!

    4. HE WANTS TO START ANOTHER WAR WITH IRAN WHEN HELLOOOOO-WE CAN'T AFFORD THE WAR WERE ARE IN NOW! HE THINKS IT'S FUNNY TO MAKE FUN OF BOMBING A PLACE FILLED WITH PEOPLE...BOMB,BOMB,BOMB,BOMB,BOMB, IRAN-THAT'S ABSOLUTLEY FRIGHTENING

    5. HE KEEPS FLIP FLOPPING HIS POSITION ON JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING-THAT'S SCARY

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