His Jewish ‘Problem’: A Myth?

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  • Posted By: sambobamba @ 06/12/2008 1:39:49 PM

    The American Jewish Zionists do not want Obama President. Fine. Do Not Vote for him.
    But why the hate, venom, invective, vitriol and just bad manners against Mr. Obama, the American Blacks, American Catholics and American Moslems??
    Why not just go to the booth and vote quietly?
    The American Jewish zionists have done this to past candidates they did not like and now are emboldened and feel they are entitled.
    Throughout their history they have sought to control. They have sowed dissension. They could never be trusted to be there when you needed them. They brought wrath and anger on themselves. They lulled themselves into the Chosen People state of mind.
    The American Jewish Zionists seem incapable of learning from the lessons of their past.
    How much safer for them to show loyalty and sincerity and humility!!!.
    To paraphrase the great Albert " God Does Not Play Favorites".

    • Posted By: pramono @ 06/13/2008 9:09:21 AM

      You sound as a typical Obama supporter. Obama is probably proud in you!
      You are doing the dirty work for him.

      Vote for McCain he is the prefered substitute to HRC.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/12/2008 3:47:30 PM

      more bigotry, next

  • Posted By: Army4RangeR @ 06/11/2008 3:10:52 PM

    The Jewish community MUST be zoned out not to have taken NOTE that Hamas has endorsed Obama, whether he approves or not....Palestenians are in a state of euphoria, just thinking that ONE OF THEIR OWN will be in the White house....Obama's Muslim training is cleaverly being concealed until the time if RIGHT. SO, if the Jewish community votes for this IDIOT, then don't come calling for TRUE AMERICANS to run to the defense of Israel...it'll BE by your hand that Israel will be demolished...MUSLIMS and JEWS have zero in common...except for hatred of one another....and the wish to demolish one another!!!!

    • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/12/2008 6:04:37 PM

      Hey Rump Ranger, you're still an idiot! Not even the free media is trying the Muslim sh!t anymore, You are so not WRIGHT on this, you're just a fake ranger, Shame on you for using the RANGER name, you are a disgrace, try getting FACTS not just "propaganda" I mean who are you John McBush?

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 06/12/2008 12:42:14 PM

      Fake army man--you have no shame in displaying your stupidity, do you--idiot? I bet you are hiding in a dark, filthy trailer with no running water, a hole to $hit and pi$$ in, and sucking on a shotgun barrel; waiting to pull the trigger after Obama becomes President. You might as well pull the trigger back--NOW!

    • Posted By: steve02001 @ 06/11/2008 9:17:36 PM

      When will you right-wing-nut-jobs get your facts straight. First you get all upset with Obama because of his association with a CHRISTIAN pastor (the operative word being CHRISTIAN), Rev. Wright, and then you accuse him of being a Muslim. Man you people are just plain stupid.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/11/2008 3:49:15 PM

      also please check factcheck.org a non-partisan website. I think you have some misinformation regarding obama along with snopes.com

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/11/2008 3:46:09 PM

      www.snopes.com....get your facts right then post

  • Posted By: jamrock66 @ 06/10/2008 12:18:25 PM

    If most people would take the time out to read and educate themself prior to getting into these debates, we would be a more inform society.
    To be a muslim is to submit one self to the will of Allah.
    therefore
    Every true christian is a Muslim...Submit to the will of God (Allah)
    Every true Jew is a Muslim...Submit to the will of Jahovah (Allah)
    and every one that submits to the will of Jahovah, God, Allah or what ever label you wish to go by, would be considered a Muslim.
    How is that for Knowledge.

    • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/10/2008 2:01:27 PM

      jamrock, consider this, the One gave us different religions to teach us tolerence, understanding and acceptance of one another.

      • Posted By: styrke @ 06/12/2008 3:39:37 PM

        Well said, catspaw! You're exactly right!

    • Posted By: Sister Bluebird @ 06/10/2008 6:05:17 PM

      Curiously I found this quote, (written over 100 yrs ago!!) online. I guess Churchill was prophetic as well!!
      Winston Churhill, the British Prime Minister through most of World War 2, was a strong critic of the effects Islam had on its believers. He stated in his 1899 book ???The River War???:

      ???How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.???

    • Posted By: Sister Bluebird @ 06/10/2008 6:04:24 PM

      I know I???ll get flack for this but it is true. I took a class about this from a professor who lived many years in Iran. He speaks fluent Pharsi & knows what he is talking about. Allah is not the God of the Bible who is YAHWEH (not Jehovah ???it means same thing but is an error in translation. Whenever you see a J it should be a Y as in Jesus = Yeshua. Also, in the Bible where you see LORD in all caps it refers to YAHWEH which the Jews do not write out or say bec they revere God so highly. Often when writing about God they spell it G-d, again out of reverence.) At the time of Muhammed, (a man only, illiterate, sinner, adulterer, murderer, etc.) his ppl worshipped abt 360 idols in their temples. Mu??? got rid of all the idols except 1 - Allah, a moon god, ergo the cresent moon symbol for their religion.
      Christians worship the God of the Bible who appeared in human form as Jesus. He was not just a man, teacher or prophet (not profit) but God himself on earth. He is part of the Trininty, Father, Son & Holy Spirit, in which the Jews & Muslims do not believe. Jesus lived a sinless life but took on the sin of the world when He was nailed to the cross thereby making a way for us to be justified before God.
      You can't be a Christian without Judaism. You can be a Christian without Allah or Islam.
      Ppl have always been jealous of the Jews bec they are God???s chosen ppl. When someone comes to Christ they are actually grafted in to the ???family??? so to speak. Salvation thru Christ is a free gift from God. The only ???work??? you need do to receive it is repent yr sins & ask Jesus into yr heart. It???s that simple, that???s why so many ppl don???t understand it.

    • Posted By: EKS25 @ 06/10/2008 3:30:20 PM

      There is a slight problem you have to acknowledge Mohammed too.

    • Posted By: cnn357 @ 06/10/2008 2:50:46 PM

      You fail to realize that that is only true if you are a Muslim.
      What you stated holds no water if you are a christian
      A muslim may see a christian as a muslim if he believes in "Allah"
      But what muslims believes means nothing to a christian in this instance.

      Here is a tip - dont tell people what religion they are, that can never turn out good

  • Posted By: pramono @ 06/12/2008 9:28:54 AM

    Obama never mentioned his mother, in any of his speaches?

    It sounds very strange to me, is he trying to hide the fact that he is 50% white and 49% Arab (his father is an Arab Kenyan), this is why he does not have the typical features of an African.

    Axelrod has done an excellent snow job on us the black people, and we fell for it.

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 06/12/2008 12:59:59 PM

      Hey, dumbass--you can stop posting that same bull $hit, now. We all see how stupid you are.

  • Posted By: Ignoramus @ 06/12/2008 12:11:54 AM

    The American Jewish Zionists whine about the holocost and crucify the Blacks.
    The American Jewish Zionists whine about the holocost and crucify the Moslems.
    The American Jewish zionists whine about the holocost and swear allegiance to Israel.
    The American Jewish Zionists whine about the holocost and steal our nuclear secrets for Israel.
    The American Jewish Zionists whine about the holocost and send our retirement funds to bankroll Israel.
    The American Jewish Zionists whine about the holocost and relocate our Research and Development to Israel.
    The American Jewish Zionists whine about the holocost and take over our National Security, State and Defence Departments.
    The American Jewish Zionists whine about the holocost and aid and abet the Iraq War.
    The American Jewish Zionists whine about the holocost and aid and abet the abrogation of our civil rights.
    The American Jewish Zionists whine about the holocost and set a bad example on how to succeed for other groups.
    The American Jewish Zionists whine about the holocost and blackmail our political leaders.
    The American Jewish Zionists whine about the holocost and highjack 30% of the seats in the Congress.
    Should I go on?

  • Posted By: thugs @ 06/12/2008 10:07:48 AM

    The American Jewish Zionists would sooner tell a lie than tell the truth. They love a lie. It is in their genes and history. They need the Catholics, the Blacks, the Moslems, anyone to bad mouth. At a pinch Dubya will do. If all fails they will bad mouth each other. I have heard one Jew call the other " bloody F Jew". It is history and genetics.
    I adore them as individuals. As a herd they are despicable thugs.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/12/2008 10:25:05 AM

      So if you went to a Jewish doctor, and he gave you a prescription of medication, therefore he or she lied to you about taking the meds? And I am curious where in the U.S. do you happen to live? Your adoration for Jews can be summarized in one word, bigotry. Next...

  • Posted By: liberalguy @ 06/11/2008 2:50:15 AM

    NO MORE MUSLIMS RUNNINFG OUR COUNTRY

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/11/2008 3:36:14 AM

      OMG, WTF, and maybe jews have horns too....give me a break.

      I do have liberal American Muslim friends who do not believe in the preaching of America's destruction, who cannot stand radical extremists. If you read in the last several weeks, even at Newsweek, and many other news sources there has been greater discussion by the liberal Muslims of how wrong Bin Ladin and his associates are out of tune with the preaching of Mohammed. It is still hard to believe with all the correct information out there about the Muslim religion, that you can be spewing such a narrowminded, bigoted, and racist approach to people.

      But, I understand your scared, like most people who have no friends who are Muslim would come up with the remarks that you came up with. I am not surprised because until you actually believe that Obama is not Muslim at all, you will continue to spew this hatred...

      BTW, my Muslim friends love me, and my family. We spend quality time together with our families, and to debunk another myth, I am Jewish, and we don't vow to kill each other off either. Remember in every religion, there are going to be fanatics, koo koo extremists, that make things look bad for the majority of peace abiding people who practice his or her own religion.

      • Posted By: Thanatos1369 @ 06/12/2008 9:51:58 AM

        Finally, a real Jewish opinion on how Muslims need to be treated. I was born into a Jewish family, and am a non-practicing Jew, but I treat all people, regardless of their religion, with respect and courtesy. I am in full support of Barack Obama, and I think anyone who is supporting McCain has got to be completely out of their minds, but that is my opinion, and only my opinion. I have always said, from day one, "Anybody but Bush."

  • Posted By: mega @ 06/11/2008 9:57:34 PM

    the great message from the democratic party to all the world that the new generations of America refused the family bequest of Wight house and refused the bequest of the characterizing against human rights and refused the bequest of the war
    all generations of american peoples at the top of the jebel there loyalty are for U.S.A not for any another country acorrding to its religion so the religion not the first moving elements of the loyalty otherwise we can say that the loyalty of american Jewish to Israel more than to America and we can not say that the loyalty to Amrrica meaning the loyalty to Iserael so its not corrict analysation and cary mor of pad faces not to Barak Obama but to any fanaticl to its religion only not to U.S.A

  • Posted By: The_epoch_point @ 06/11/2008 9:33:11 PM

    Comment: I think McCain will make a great president, now here's an excerpt from the book THE EPOCH POINT by Spencer Zimmerman, available on amazon.com:

    "Be gone?" laughs Satan, "I cannot, I am a part of you Muhammad!"
    "God, help me!" yells Muhammad.
    "I am your god Muhammad!" snarls Satan, "The Holy Spirit has his Son, and now I have mine!"
    "Jesus forgive me!" cries Muhammad.
    "It would be so much easier if you would just follow along and do as I command you!" complains Satan, "We have so many more important things to infuse into this new religion of mine! Like this Jihad idea I have, the holy war to come. What do you think should be the number of virgins awaiting the Jihadist in hell? Ha, Ha, Ha, I mean heaven."
    "Why am I tormented by you Satan?"
    "Why, you killed your mother when you were 6, your grandfather when you were 8, and your wife and uncle just the other day!" laughs Satan, "And you have the audacity to ask why I am here?"
    "You did those things beast!"
    "Well maybe I possessed you a little, but I always knew you had it in you!"
    The devil continues to whisper into Muhammad???s ear, convincing the prophet to reject monotheism and embrace the three goddesses of Mecca.
    Eventually Muhammad reaches Mecca and a crowd soon assembles. The prophet begins to speak.
    "Have you thought of the goddesses Allat and al-Uzza and Manat the third, the other. These are the exalted Numidian cranes, whose intercession is hoped for."
    Those words, uttered with the hope of converting the people of Mecca to Islam, are known as the Satanic Verses.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/11/2008 11:22:02 PM

      What is your point? You said this yesterday, are you saying Obama is the devil? If that is your point you could have said that in one sentence.

  • Posted By: edpifo @ 06/10/2008 4:51:18 PM

    What a bias and smear to say Lieberman denied only HALF-HEARTEDLY that Obama is Muslim. Obama was registered as a Muslim in high school in Indonesia. That is enough every anyone to be careful when trying to say he is not a Muslim.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 06/11/2008 11:03:17 PM

      Obama went to a private, secular high school in Hawaii. He went to school in Indonesia from kindergarten through third grade. Two years in a Catholic school. Two years in the community school when the family could no longer afford tuition.

    • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/10/2008 4:57:03 PM

      Where did you get that. Even his high school principal stated there where alot of students from all types of religions.

      • Posted By: edpifo @ 06/10/2008 5:48:04 PM

        Here is the source that he was registered as a Muslim in a Catholic School in Indonesia:
        2007-01-30 ??? [WDC News Post] ??? WASH???Jan 25???DJNS???Associated Press has revealed that Senator Barack Hussein Obama, Democratic candidate for President of the United States, attend a Catholic school in Indonesia registered as a Muslim.

        • Posted By: marnette73 @ 06/10/2008 11:01:00 PM

          hmmm thats funny i thought being catholic was a provison for going to a catholic school

        • Posted By: MARSHA1961 @ 06/10/2008 8:16:54 PM

          You conveniently forgot to mention he was 6 years old and even in third world countries parents have to register their CHILDREN.

        • Posted By: MARSHA1961 @ 06/10/2008 7:56:06 PM

          You conveniently forgot he was 6 years old and even in thirf world countries parents register CHILDREN..get a grip.

      • Posted By: edpifo @ 06/10/2008 5:17:41 PM

        So, how did the authors know Lieberman denied HALF-HEARTEDLY that Obama was a Muslim.? How can they use HALF-HEARTEDLY without backing it up?

  • Posted By: ArcticForce @ 06/11/2008 12:32:10 AM

    I hope the Clintons did not really do this, but in politics, everyone gets dirty. Altho, SHAME ON THEM if they screw up Obama's chance to win in November. There are many groups in American, and we can't always seem to favor the Jews over everyone else on earth. The Jews don't have a monopoly on truth; and please remember that Israelis are not all wonderful and good either. Our government officials must kowtow to them, it seems, or else they will be destroyed in the media and by the Hollywood elite (both groups which are unduly slanted by their Jewish members). And please don't call me a Nazi; just be honest and fair and own up to what is happening in our society and government in these last years.

    • Posted By: pramono @ 06/11/2008 2:24:44 PM

      Did any one notice that Obama mother NEVER showed up in any event to support Obama.
      IO don't know what is the reason for it, but if I read his first book, it might explain the distance between him and his mother.

      Obama does not want the rest of the world know that he is not a Muslim. He is 50% white and 49% Arab. An Arab is a Muslim whose origin is from soud arabia.

      He has done an excellent snow job on the black community (my hat is off to Axelrod), they believe that he is black, but he is 1percent black the rest is white and Arab. It is amazing how he was able to sell himself as Black.

      Obama does not have a Jewish problem. He has an Arab problem.
      Comment

  • Posted By: The_epoch_point @ 06/11/2008 9:33:26 PM

    Comment: I think McCain will make a great president, now here's an excerpt from the book THE EPOCH POINT by Spencer Zimmerman, available on amazon.com:

    Chapter 16 Nehemiah
    The burning sun beats down on the harsh Arabian Desert, heating the sand until it is searing to the touch. An old man of 49 sits astride a camel, dressed in layers of flowing white cloth and wearing a turbine, his body weak and aching in pain from the year of sorrows he has chosen to embark upon. His name is Muhammad; he proclaims himself a prophet and he is on his way to the city of Mecca during the sixth century after Christ.
    During this year of sorrows he has encouraged his followers to endure persecution, beatings, poverty and hunger, in order to become stoic and indifferent to pleasure and pain. He himself jettisoned from his own clan, alone in the desert without protection, so he too may become detached from distracting emotions.
    As Muhammad rides on he mutters to himself, ???Release thyself from emotions, become indifferent to pleasure and pain, do not feel compassion or sympathy.???
    Death has been no stranger to Muhammad, and neither has the devil, which killed his father six months before he was born in order to raise young Muhammad himself. The spirit of Satan has dwelled in Muhammad from conception, yet he strives to conceal it, shunning the evil force. It lies in his left hand, yet he fights it with his right, for there is a bit of goodness in this human being. Just as the earth is a battle ground between good and evil, so is his body.
    Now, as Muhammad travels toward the city of Mecca, Satan rides with him, tempting and enticing the prophet with schemes to make the Islamic conversion of Mecca simpler and swifter. He promises the prophet lust with three goddesses in return for a few words in the Koran.
    "Muhammad," Satan prods, "Have you not heard of Allat, Al-Uzza, and Manat? The three beautiful goddesses of Mecca?"
    "Leave me Satan!"
    "You surely have heard of the three fairest goddesses in all of Arabia!" laughs the devil, ???For their legs are long and their waists thin and their bosoms bulging, and yes, their faces are as fair as angels!"
    "Be gone you demon!"

  • Posted By: JG Georgia @ 06/11/2008 3:36:28 PM

    The jews are everyone's problem from their arms deals to their interference in our government.

    • Posted By: midnight05 @ 06/11/2008 8:40:44 PM

      I am a Jew and I am not torn about Obama in the slightest. He's going to be very good for the country, for the Jewish people in the country and for our allies, Israel. He will do so by not encouraging the most backward elements in Israel to encourage Jews to make aliyah so that Jesus can slaughter them when he returns.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/11/2008 3:45:12 PM

      Can you substantiate where you found this information, show me a website, a written article, or an author that has said that please, thank you

  • Posted By: Peter from Scarborough @ 06/09/2008 2:42:24 PM

    maybe its Obama's association with Farahkan and black liberation theology that older jewish voters are worried about and not his middle name.

    • Posted By: chindognyc @ 06/09/2008 2:49:24 PM

      And please remember that Hillary Clinton was a big supporter for the Black Panthers. Did America feared her? I think not. She even wanted to defend one of them for murder.

      • Posted By: Peter from Scarborough @ 06/09/2008 3:01:57 PM

        Hillary was performing her duties as a defense attorney. Besides is there some info about the black panthers being anti-semitic. I never heard it

        • Posted By: chindognyc @ 06/09/2008 3:21:21 PM

          and who said Obama is anti-semetic. Like I said, people are ot afraid of Obama's middle name. They are afraid because it is a black man with that middle name.

          • Posted By: Peter from Scarborough @ 06/09/2008 3:39:50 PM

            Im afraid of him because he has no experience and has chosen to associate with radicals, racists, and antisemites over the last 20 years. I look forward to one day voting for a black person for president, just not this unqualified person.

            • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 3:46:02 PM

              Well, you may not vote for him, but he will win.

              The experience thing is a canard. Hillary barely had more Federal legislative experience and less total legislative experience. If people were truly concerned with experience, Joe Biden would be the nominee.

              • Posted By: Peter from Scarborough @ 06/09/2008 4:00:40 PM

                True but Joe Biden is irritating isnt he. Hills got a ton more experience than Obama. She wouldnt have commited to meeting unconditionally with state sponsors of terrorism. Amatuer move.

                • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 4:13:04 PM

                  Actually, it was a bold move by Obama and the right one. In fact, America meets with these people all the time.

                  Hillary doesn't have "a ton more experience". Being first lady is not experience. Otherwise, we'd be electing Laura Bush.

                  • Posted By: Peter from Scarborough @ 06/09/2008 6:46:29 PM

                    Low level american diplomats meet with them all the time, not the President. As a matter of fact, no President (Dem or Rep.), no British PM, no French Pres., no German Chancellor, etc. has had head of state meetings with the Castro thugs, or leader of Iran. Your empty suite is talking about a major change in policy and you cant explain why. Thats because he cant explain why. Hes had multiple chances and has just tossed out bumper sticker phrases.

                    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 7:13:46 PM

                      Nixon went to China. Reagen went to the USSR. Both of those powers posed a much larger threat to America than anything Iran can muster.

                      • Posted By: Peter from Scarborough @ 06/09/2008 7:41:54 PM

                        Neither nation sponsored terrorism. By that I mean their proxies did not target civillians (thats a war crime). Cuba by funding FARC owns the kidnapping and murder of US & EU tourists. Iran's Rev. guard has, among other acts, blown up a synagougue in argentina. Also China and the USSR are/were real world powers. Why elevate petty thugs to the level of equal to a US president. The way to do it is like we did with Libya. They let it be known through intermediaries that they wanted relations with the west. After giving up their nuclear program, making restitution to victim's families, and a couple years of good behavior they were rewarded with state visits by Chirac & Blair. Why give that away for free? But the owness is on your guy to explain. He is the one that wants to change a policy that has served the west well for years. Maybe he has a great new idea but it deserves open debate. So far I hear bumper sticker slogans about Bush's third term.

                        • Posted By: Peter from Scarborough @ 06/09/2008 7:45:50 PM

                          By the way, he would meet with Ajmedinijad who is probably not even in the top ten most powerful people in Iran. So Obama would place a US president in the position of meeting with flakies. Why? Hate to quote W but what ingenious argument does he have up his sleve?

                          • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/11/2008 7:22:28 PM

                            If he's not that powerful then why are we told to fear him at every turn. You can't have it both ways.

              • Posted By: jgrisham @ 06/09/2008 5:10:25 PM

                It was HIlary's undoing when her campaign and supporters started acting like she had already won. It will be people like you who assume Obama has this thing all wrapped up with a bow on top that will be pouting come election night and the results are in.

                • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 6:59:07 PM

                  He doesn't have it wrapped up. I do not underestimate the Republicans and their desire to retain power. They will come with guns blazing. However, I'm confident that Obama can repel their attacks and turn them back on them. I have this confidence based on his performance in this primary season. He should not coast. It should be petal to the metal for the Obama campaign, all the while adjusting course as the campaign evolves.

    • Posted By: mlbuie @ 06/09/2008 2:53:19 PM

      WHAT association with Farakhan? Obama has no association with Farakhan! That's EXACTLY what I mean about uneducated! People are willing to believe ANYTHING they hear or read, even unsubstantiated, becaue they don't have initiative to find out the truth for themselves.

      So sad!

      • Posted By: Peter from Scarborough @ 06/09/2008 2:59:44 PM

        Trinity church honored Farahkan with a "life time achievement award" for his service to the black community. The stated philosophy of Trinity church is black liberation theology. These are facts. Look up BLT and Farahkan.

        • Posted By: mlbuie @ 06/09/2008 3:05:49 PM

          That doesn't mean that Obama did this. Stop associating Obama with this another person or other people do. He has very specifically pointed out that this is not his philosophy. Why aren't you so critical of obvious contradictory actions and comments from people like McBush? I know some people will argue a particular agenda in the face of truth, no matter how illogical.

          • Posted By: Peter from Scarborough @ 06/09/2008 3:17:00 PM

            He went to Trinity church for 20 years without accepting BLT. If he were in the KKK for 20 years and said he no longer wanted to be associated with them would you vote for him?

            • Posted By: chindognyc @ 06/09/2008 3:23:05 PM

              It depends on if he was passionate about not wanting any part of the KKK. David Duke couldn't do that, yet David Duke was at many benifits for the Republicans. Even at one for McCain. Does that make McCain a member of the KKK?

              • Posted By: Peter from Scarborough @ 06/09/2008 3:34:27 PM

                False analogy. Obama went to the church for 20 years, named his autobiography after one of Wrights sermons, sat on a charity board & voted to make a 26K award to the church, called him his spiritual mentor. This was not a passive churchgoer. Oprah figured it out & left. You may choose to ignore his deep ties, that doesnt make those of us who wont ignorant of the facts.

                • Posted By: ADP02 @ 06/09/2008 5:50:29 PM

                  ???Peter from Scarborough??? ??????many of the Republicans have always tried to ASSOCIATE themselves with controversial leaders. Some were because they agreed with them and some was to get their votes. Either way, the Republicans should not be throwing out the first stone here as they are the WORST OFFENDERS??????..do you even care about the Republican offenses Pete? I doubt you or your FOXNEWS friends care since they hardly ever bring it up and when they do its to try to defend them.

                  Do you know that there are YouTube videos of Republican pastors who said very similar things that were said by Rev Wright? Yes, some blamed USA for 9/11.

                  Pete, did you know that in McCain???s 2000 straight talk campaign he called Pastors Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson "agents of intolerance" during his campaign. Good hey? Well a few years later he learnt that if you can???t beat them join them. So he FLIP FLOPPED and sucked up to Jerry Falwell.
                  Pete, did you know that McCain had been trying hard and for a long time to get Parsley & John Hagee???s endorsement? McCain embraced Parsley and called him a "moral compass" and a "spiritual guide???.

                  Pete, were you ok that Bush, for his campaign in 2000, went to a place , Bob Jones University, where they were spreading anti-Catholic views? ????????????HERE IS BUSH???S DEFENSE: Top strategist, Karl Rove, today accused McCain of using the Bob Jones controversy to portray Bush as a bigot and divide voters by religion. ``This is a reprehensible attempt to bring religion into American politics in a very ugly way,'' Rove said on ABC's ``Good Morning America.''

                  FUNNY HOW THE REPUBLICANS DEFEND, DEFEND & DEFEND WHEN ITS THEM THAT DO IT but when it???s Obama, oh, how could he. REAL FUNNY!

                  Now to put the last nail on McCain???s coffin, he is getting advise from Karl Rove!!!

                  Imagine after all that straight talk, McCain let us all down.

                • Posted By: 1HouTexan @ 06/09/2008 4:37:18 PM

                  Even more of a false analogy (or hypocrisy) is that you are not speaking to McCain's associations for the past 20 years - including his church. Have you bothered to research him, or do you conveniently wait on someone to tell you how to think? You may be in for a wide awakening. Stay tuned.......

                • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 3:40:47 PM

                  You are right. The racists who already wouldn't have voted for Obama anyway will use this as an excuse. The rest of us will vote him in as the next president of the United States.

                  • Posted By: Peter from Scarborough @ 06/09/2008 3:46:27 PM

                    Obama followers go to the racist well to often. Ferraro & the Clintons as racists? Americans are becoming desensitized to this charge. It will contribute to his loss.

                    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 3:51:21 PM

                      Racism is racism. I don't advocate Obama and his campaign bring it up. They must maintain the high ground. However, here in the blogosphere I'll call a spade a spade, no pun intended.

                      • Posted By: Peter from Scarborough @ 06/09/2008 3:57:49 PM

                        Elitist young whites need "an excuse" to not vote for Obama. Racists hate him and look forward to not voting for him. For more mature non-racist whites they just vote for the best person to do the job. Not to imply youre immature

                        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 4:09:09 PM

                          I'm white and in my 30's. I do not have a college degree. Based on demographics I suppose I should have been a Clinton supporter.

                          Obama is a risk. However, so is every other candidate. It's risk vs. reward. Those of us Democrats who have lived.through the nomination of "safe" folks like Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry have been yearning for our party to stop taking the safe road, and losing. We wanted to unite around someone charismatic and highly capable. We've desired someone who will promote Democratic values with boldness and doesn't suffer the inferiority complex so entrenched in the Democrats on Captiol Hill. Barack Obama is that person. If I believed for a second that he shared the controversial views of Wright, then he would not be my candidate. For instance, I've always rejected the divisiveness of Sharpton and saw it as counterproducttive.

                          Democrats have done their part. They've put our best and brightest out there. America now has to decide what it wants. The contrast between Obama and McCain could not be more stark.

            • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 3:25:11 PM

              The KKK exists as an organ of hate. It has no other purpose. Thousands of sermons have been given at Obama's church. I doubt many of them expounded on politics.

              McCain's bud Hagee said that God sent Hitler to kill the Jews. I believe McCain when he says that he doesn't subscribe to the views of this pastor whose endorsement he so actively sought.

              • Posted By: Peter from Scarborough @ 06/09/2008 3:52:52 PM

                Johnson, Im sure they werent all about hate either, but all of the clips we heard came from Wright's greatest sermons CD. They werent secretly taped by a Clinton supporter, he sold the CDs in the church lobby. Do you believe that Obama was too cheap to buy it, when he had been so inspired by a sermon that he named his autobiography after it. If you believe that you are indeed naieve.

                • Posted By: mslaw56 @ 06/09/2008 4:07:35 PM

                  Hate have been preached from the pulpit, for two hundreds, years or more against the black race .that why you have so many people saying that their are not going to vote for a color man , these people who have been taught for many years to hate people that are a difference race. We as African Americans have always gave your race respect, we gave respect when you put that whip on our's back, or when you wouldn???t give us the right to vote, or when you put ropes around our necks, the list can go on and on , but we gave you respect, this is 2008, and we still have people talking about the color of someone skin. the backlash is not just Rev.. Wright and Father Pifleuger. They are not the only one preaching those words , you have you white doing it to, The Media are just not broadcasting it. It the Media, the Pundits, the Experts, and our so call leaders to. You have a lot of black Americans feeling angry against the white race, not because the color of your skin, it because the way you have treated my race for many years ,

                • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 4:00:09 PM

                  It comes down to whether you believe that Obama shares the views. If you do, then don't vote for him. I know that Obama doesn't share the most controversial views that Wright espouses simply by listening to the man and seeing his actions.

                  People sit in pews every Sunday, listening to views that they don't agree with. Howe many Catholics go to mass and then throw on a condom that night for some hanky-panky with their wife? Going the opposite direction, how many Catholics support the death penalty and war in Iraq even though their church opposes it? To think that you can find a church that completely conforms to your every belief is naive. Perhaps each one of us should have our own church with a belief system that exactly matches our own. Actually, that's not a half bad idea. It could solve a lot of problems.

            • Posted By: mslaw56 @ 06/09/2008 4:00:20 PM

              You want to talk about a church someone go to for 20 years, what about the church you and other have went to for over 20 years the catholic church . The churches were it was ok to hurt kids, I would go to a church that are look down on for just words. but a church that hurt kids ? How many of you are still setting there/

          • Posted By: bg1844 @ 06/09/2008 4:46:53 PM

            If Obama was a good man he would have stood up to his pator about what was bieng said, instead he went along with it and put him on the campain trail. Guilty

  • Posted By: Emanuel @ 06/09/2008 3:11:21 PM

    I'm Jewish, and I love the man.

    • Posted By: bg1844 @ 06/09/2008 4:44:13 PM

      Its hard to love a man who wants to sit with a man who says the holocaust never happened and that isreal and the west should be wiped off the face of the earth. France tried the same approach in 1938 with Germany and how well did that turn out. Obama is out of touch with middle America but I guess i can grab my gun and bible and it will be okay. Please wake up people. Sometimes i wonder where some people were during history class.

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 4:50:01 PM

        The vast majority of people in America support talking with our enemies. It's just common sense.

        • Posted By: bg1844 @ 06/09/2008 6:34:25 PM

          And what do you plan we say, You want to kill me and if you try I will kill you. So hows the family. Plus he is not the in charge the religouse leaders are. When will you relize there are some people you cant talk to. They say they are poor and uneducated and we should help. This is not true for one they are educated and have financial means, secondly there are plenty of poor repreased people in the world and most want to come here.

          • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 6:56:05 PM

            We have built up the Iranian boogie man. He's just a leader of a pretty pathetic third-world country. By not meeting with him, you are playing right into his hands. He can go back to his country and incite more animosity for the "great satan".

            • Posted By: bg1844 @ 06/09/2008 9:45:25 PM

              your are clueless. Iran is a real threat not just to us but other country's also. however I fear people like you more than Iran. You lack of knowledge is what keeps this country unsafe.

              • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/11/2008 7:20:15 PM

                "Iran is the real threat". Keep repeating it. At some point people might believe it.

                Provides some evidence that Iran is such a threat to the US. It's not just a given. Iran is a distraction to keep people from thinking about the debacle that is the Iraq war and now occupation. Unfortunately, Bush has lots of authoritarian followers like yourself to mindless repeat his propaganda.

      • Posted By: dr_venkman @ 06/09/2008 5:38:12 PM

        So, how is Iran like Germany in 1938, oh great font of historical knowledge? Have we ceded parts of Afghanistan to the fearsome Iranian war machine? Have we trembled, doing nothing, as Iranian tanks rumbled into eastern Iraq to "liberate" the Shi'a from Sunni domination? Eh? Oh, so once again, you're just a person who spouts talking points half heard on a TV sometime and then claims historical high ground. I see. Good to know our educational system is working.

        • Posted By: bg1844 @ 06/09/2008 6:30:01 PM

          What I am saying is that the french did nothing about germany preaching that it is best to talk like all of you he think its okay for a man like saddam to run a country, he was no diffrent than hitler. WMDs or not he needed to be removed from power and as a military person who has spoken to soldiers on the front line about what they see and it is getting so much better over there. Thats someting you and Obama would no nothing about since you only go by what you hear on the 10 oclock news. Find the facts before you start running at the mouth. Its been close to 900 days since obama has been to Iraq but he still wants to bail on an unfinished job. That is not a man I could support. For Germany my grandfather was a silver star, and 2 bronze star winner and i will not disrespect what he did for this country and the french who preached the same things you are now about war. There is a diffrence between the mafia and Iran and if you dont think that you are crazy. They hate us more than they love there own children, They sacrafice woman and kids to blow up 10 of there own.

          • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 6:53:58 PM

            "he was no diffrent[sic] than hitler"

            That statement alone shows you have no understanding of history.

            • Posted By: bg1844 @ 06/09/2008 9:43:06 PM

              Saddam killed thousands and thousands of people. He used chemical warfare on his own country. His sons ran wild killing, torturing and raping. I believe evil is evil. I believe you have shown you are small minded by your comments on this blog. Your anger comes from your lack of knowledge.

              • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/11/2008 7:18:10 PM

                So what? That's a good description of just about every tyrant in this world. Hitler wasn't just a tyrant, he wanted to take over and dominate Europe and beyond. He also had built up a very potent military both in technology, training and discipline. Hussein was a tin-pot dictator, nothing more.

                How many innocent Iraqis have been killed in the war and ensuing occupation? Do you think they would think that they are better off?

      • Posted By: Emanuel @ 06/09/2008 4:54:09 PM

        bg1844, you are a puppet of propaganda. "Sitting" with a person, as you put it, does not signify anything other than getting to the bottom of the differences between two nations.

        In the Godfather, rival families would often, "sit" with each other as a means to resolve their differences.

        Hail to Don Obama!

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 4:59:50 PM

          Be careful. Don't make people think he's Italian as well. Obama has enough bigots trying to shoot down his chances.

          • Posted By: bg1844 @ 06/09/2008 6:46:01 PM

            Its has nothing to do with race. He is not qualified to lead this country.

            • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 7:12:21 PM

              He is qualified, much more so than George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan.

  • Posted By: TboneTbetter @ 06/09/2008 3:24:10 PM

    It's not a myth, as this financial commentator correctly writes: http://www.greenfaucet.com/hanlons-pub/aipac-speech-highlights-a-big-obama-problem

    Obama has HUGE work to do if he wants people to trust the idea of him as commander in chief. Hillary spent 6 years as senator moving to the center and gaining credibility on the topic of national security, but our party put all our chips on this new horse. Hopefully Barack doesn't pull up lame at the Belmont, if you know what I mean!

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 3:28:21 PM

      I fear someone will try to euthenize him, more than anything. Obama can bring real change to Washington. Whether he will or not, isn't up to me. However, I'm going 'all in' on giving him the chance.

      • Posted By: bg1844 @ 06/09/2008 6:43:53 PM

        There is no change. He has alomost the exact beliefs as any democrat canidate has had. He is a used car salesman.

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/09/2008 7:11:02 PM

          There is change. We've had 8 years of a horrible neo-fascist administration. This has left our country in unprecedented debt, involved in an endless occupation, and missing the very privacy rights we used to take for granted. Compared to this, Obama is change. McCain is more of the same.

          • Posted By: bg1844 @ 06/09/2008 9:33:35 PM

            I guess its all the republicans fault that we cant drill here or build more refineries here. Everyone wants to blame the president for everything, what about congress, what about each of us maybe we should shoulder some blame. The govt. is not our parents.

            • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/11/2008 7:15:41 PM

              I didn't mention energy policy, but there's another place the administration has screwed.

              By the way, we don't have big enough oil reserves to achieve independence. In fact, the amount that we could get form domestic drilling would be a drop in the bucket and not make a dent in gas prices. In fact, experts estimate that it would take 10 years before it would even start producing oil.

              ....it's like shooting fish in a barrel

  • Posted By: Sister Bluebird @ 06/11/2008 7:02:56 PM

    Curiously I found this quote, (written over 100 yrs ago!!) online. I guess Churchill was prophetic as well!!
    Winston Churhill, the British Prime Minister through most of World War 2, was a strong critic of the effects Islam had on its believers. He stated in his 1899 book "The River War":

    "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

  • Posted By: liberalguy @ 06/11/2008 2:49:15 AM

    Barack Hussein Obama was born in
    Honolulu,AS A MODERATE MUSLIM I CANNOT TOLERATE THIS OBAMA HATRED AND HIS ASSOCIATIONS AND ME BEING A MODRATE MULIM CANNOT TOLERATE IT THEN I DO NOT NO HOW THE JEWS CAN TOLERATE THIIS HATE AMRECA MAN AND LEAVE LIEBERMAN ALONE HUSSEIN
    Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from
    Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHIEST from Wichita,
    Kansas.

    Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two
    years old, his parents divorced.



    His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a
    RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.

    When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia.

    Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta.

    He also spent two years in a Catholic school.

    Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim.



    He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also
    attended Catholic school."

    Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
    Obama's
    introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was
    temporary at best.



    In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce,
    and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.

    Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
    introduced his stepson to Islam.

    Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta.

    Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim
    terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.

    Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking Major
    public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined
    the
    United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
    background.

    Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
    candidacy.

    The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside
    out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the
    President of the United States, one of their own!!!!

    ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use
    the Holy Bible, but instead the Kuran (Their equivalency to our Bible,
    but very different beliefs)

    Obama also refuses to pledge allegiance the the USA flag. How can
    someone who wants to be president refuse to commit to the USA.

    Before you vote for any candidate I'm sure you can search the internet
    and find out about all the candidates.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/11/2008 3:57:33 AM

      can you tell me where on the internet did you find all of this bs? I would highly suggest reading www.snopes.com and learn aboujt things that are rumored, or myths. I promise it is non-partisan, and a valued source to find out truth from fiction. Try www.factcheck.org, try dividedwefail.org, and learn what is going on in the world of American politics....This is from Wikipedia...
      Snopes (pronounced /??sno??ps/), also known as the Urban Legends Reference Pages, is a website that is the most widely-known resource for validating or debunking urban legends, Internet rumors, email forwards, and other such stories of uncertain or questionable origin in popular American culture.[1] Snopes is run by Barbara and David Mikkelson, a couple from California who married after meeting on the newsgroup alt.folklore.urban. The couple also founded the San Fernando Valley Folklore Society, and were credited as the owners of the site until 2005.[2] The site is organized according to topic and includes a messageboard where questionable stories and pictures may be posted.

      • Posted By: pramono @ 06/11/2008 2:23:22 PM

        Did any one notice that Obama mother NEVER showed up in any event to support Obama.
        IO don't know what is the reason for it, but if I read his first book, it might explain the distance between him and his mother.

        Obama does not want the rest of the world know that he is not a Muslim. He is 50% white and 49% Arab. An Arab is a Muslim whose origin is from soud arabia.

        He has done an excellent snow job on the black community (my hat is off to Axelrod), they believe that he is black, but he is 1percent black the rest is white and Arab. It is amazing how he was able to sell himself as Black.

        Obama does not have a Jewish problem. He has an Arab problem.

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/11/2008 7:02:45 PM

          Obama's mother has been dead for years.

      • Posted By: fenewsweek @ 06/11/2008 12:54:07 PM

        The Replublicans have put so much fear in the American people, they are to the point of being paranoid. When are most Americans going to stop being so guillible to fear tactics. Under the Republican watch, Korea has been able to obtain nuclear weapons and now, a small country like Iran may be nearing that point. Fear is a great motivator even if not warranted. Gets some Testicular Fortitude and stand up for what is right not what you have been manipulated into. Faustina E., Tempe, AZ

  • Posted By: liberalguy @ 06/11/2008 3:54:58 AM

    Leading The News

    Jewish Dem donor joins McCain team
    By Alexander Bolton
    Posted: 06/10/08 07:30 PM [ET]
    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is attracting elite Jewish Democratic donors who backed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and are concerned about Sen. Barack Obama???s (D-Ill.) stance toward Israel, say McCain backers who are organizing the effort to court Democrats.


    McCain has already had several fundraising events with Jewish Democrats in Washington and Florida, say his supporters.



    He also has the backing of Democrat-turned-Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman (Conn.), who made history as the first Jewish vice presidential candidate and has recently raised questions about Obama???s foreign policy vision for the Middle East.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/11/2008 3:59:44 AM

      I would highly suggest reading www.snopes.com and learn aboujt things that are rumored, or myths. I promise it is non-partisan, and a valued source to find out truth from fiction. Try www.factcheck.org, try dividedwefail.org, and learn what is going on in the world of American politics....This is from Wikipedia...
      Snopes (pronounced /??sno??ps/), also known as the Urban Legends Reference Pages, is a website that is the most widely-known resource for validating or debunking urban legends, Internet rumors, email forwards, and other such stories of uncertain or questionable origin in popular American culture.[1] Snopes is run by Barbara and David Mikkelson, a couple from California who married after meeting on the newsgroup alt.folklore.urban. The couple also founded the San Fernando Valley Folklore Society, and were credited as the owners of the site until 2005.[2] The site is organized according to topic and includes a messageboard where questionable stories and pictures may be posted.

      • Posted By: pramono @ 06/11/2008 2:22:26 PM

        Did any one notice that Obama mother NEVER showed up in any event to support Obama.
        IO don't know what is the reason for it, but if I read his first book, it might explain the distance between him and his mother.

        Obama does not want the rest of the world know that he is not a Muslim. He is 50% white and 49% Arab. An Arab is a Muslim whose origin is from soud arabia.

        He has done an excellent snow job on the black community (my hat is off to Axelrod), they believe that he is black, but he is 1percent black the rest is white and Arab. It is amazing how he was able to sell himself as Black.

        Obama does not have a Jewish problem. He has an Arab problem.

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/11/2008 7:01:35 PM

          Obama's mother has been dead for years.

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