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  • Posted By: zamfir @ 06/08/2008 6:14:09 PM

    "There is always a small percentage"

    The point of the article is that the percentage is higher than normal for these types of situations, like Vietnam, Korea, etc.

  • Posted By: savdavid @ 06/08/2008 6:06:18 PM

    These are the same people that vote the GOP in time and again. They get what they deserve.

  • Posted By: zamfir @ 06/08/2008 6:03:01 PM

    "we are winning and should stay until the job is done."

    I assume that when you say "we" you really mean "they."

  • Posted By: zamfir @ 06/08/2008 6:02:14 PM

    "we are winning and should stay until the job is done."

    I assume that when you say "we" you mean "they."

  • Posted By: 777general @ 06/08/2008 5:52:05 PM

    Our military people are not stupid!!! They know this is not a declared war! Really

  • Posted By: adonnyboy @ 06/08/2008 5:44:27 PM

    I read with interest this prominent article detailing how a very few soldiers ("Fewer than 21 soldiers have been punitively discharged for self-harm since 2003") have decided they made a bad choice in volunteering for the Military and fail to find any articles as prominently displayed describing the hundreds and thousands of soldiers that sign up for second and third deployments (some after being seriously wounded). Why can the media, this outlet included, not admit that regardless of whetherwe should have over there in the first place, we are winning and should stay until the job is done.

  • Posted By: mouselion @ 06/08/2008 2:32:56 PM

    ChicoCDM @ 06/08/2008 2:22:10 PM: "whinny liberal NUT JOBS!"
    I find it interesting that Newsweek objectively reports on a phenomenon which the citizenry have a right to know about -- for whatever reason. (Remember: this is being done in OUR name -- not the military. It is being done with the dollars WE generate -- not the military). So, don't get angry for the truth being told. Look at it objectively and use the information you glean from it to help your fellow soldiers. But don't be rudely indignant to your employers (the U.S. citizenry). It is our right.

    • Posted By: ChicoCDM @ 06/08/2008 2:44:02 PM

      Well its my right to voice my opinion too so what's your point? Oh let me guess the idea of freeedom of speech should only apply to liberal talking points. And you can't deny facts that I stated just RUBISH from your cespool of vegetarian, anti-ameican, double standards liberal cirlce. Read what I said again - do you have ANYTHING constructive to counter that? When you join the military you sign a contract and you abide by it - its NOT a deocracy - its MILITARY SERVICE - something that porbely shuts down your entire digestive track if you had to consider it. Be thankful that there are men and women willing to provide for your ablity to be a sorry whinny sissy. Maybe they should doa story on the 95% or up of the brave mena dn women who SHOWED up for their duty and don't complain about their service. No!! - that would'n't support whinny liberl talking points.

      • Posted By: mouselion @ 06/08/2008 3:06:32 PM

        OK: You nothing about me, my politics, or my lifestyle. I'm saying: Don't be angry for a report on a phenomenon that has a negative effect on the Military. It's not YOUR military it's OUR military. Don't sit there and insult people because you don't like what's being reported. It's YOUR responsibility as a soldier to help find solutions -- not bark at us (you can do that -- but it will never be respected). The military is not a democracy, of course, but the U.S. is one. And, ultimately, the democracy calls the shots on the military -- not the other way around. So, treating people with respect and be an ambassador for your organization.ganization -- because, after some of things

        • Posted By: zades @ 06/08/2008 5:21:44 PM

          Seems like a wonderfully constructive counter, mouselion. Well said.

    • Posted By: R Lawrence @ 06/08/2008 3:06:17 PM

      ChicoCDM - you just need to chill-out and take your meds Buddy. Just because someone does not agree or like Idiot Bush does not make them un-American or less patriotic. This war in Iraq was about oil and Chaney's interest in making big Haliburton richer and nothing to do about justice, democracy, weopon of mass destruction, or even about getting rid of Sadam. It was about big oil and Haliburton and Chaney.

  • Posted By: robertkjjj @ 06/08/2008 5:19:11 PM

    Just what did these people think they were signing up for when they voluntatily joined the military? Starbucks barista? Target Cashier? Nordstrom stockroom boy? Sorry, but I have almost zilch sympathy for people who join the military and then whine and complain because it's hard and dangerous. It's no secret this is a hard job, and nobody put a gun to their head to make them join.

  • Posted By: midnight05 @ 06/08/2008 2:30:22 PM

    I don't blame anyone who, having served one stint in Iraq, refuses to be turned into cannon fodder by a stop-loss order.

    • Posted By: zades @ 06/08/2008 5:18:49 PM

      Thank you. You're a real soldier. I doubt that some of the people on here who perpetrate as having had the military experience during war time are being genuine.

      Who wants to die for Iraq? That's the question... Especially when Bin Laden is still running around, making videos, and ensuring threats.

  • Posted By: robertkjjj @ 06/08/2008 5:18:23 PM

    Just what did these people think they were signing up for when they voluntatily joined the military? Starbucks barista? Target Cashier? Nordstrom stockroom boy? Sorry, but I have almost zilch sympathy for people who join the military and then whine and complain because it's hard and dangerous. It's no secret this is a hard job, and nobody put a gun to their head to make them join.

  • Posted By: rif2422 @ 06/08/2008 12:57:18 PM

    Oh you have to be kidding me. As a vet this is nothing new. Believe it or not kiddies we been patrolling northern and southern Iraq since '93. Guys used to do all kinds of crap to not have to do a 3 month tour, so yah, plenty of guys wont want to go for 15 mos. Anyways the difference you fail to mention in the article that's pissing people off is that this is an all volunteer force, let's not forget that little detail. So don't feel too bad, trust me we know what we're getting ourselves into. Also, you don't have to shoot yourself if you dont want to go, just tell em you're gay lol. I used to work with a guy that did that. Guess it works. Bottom line is if you really dont want to go, you're not going, nobody wants to have to depend on a guy that doesnt want to do his job.....

    • Posted By: zades @ 06/08/2008 5:15:28 PM

      Having seen soldiers returning to Iraq with injuries (and being one myself) I don't think that your information is genuine. You can not say that you just don't want to go when the forces are stretched in the way that they are...

      More Operation Chaos, huh?

  • Posted By: wcovusmc @ 06/08/2008 12:11:11 PM

    As a US Marine and an Iraq veteran, I found this article to be shallow and insulting. Tony Dokoupil, how about you do an article about all of the service members that jump through hoops to go back, because they believe what they are doing is making a difference. This article you wrote is tacky and shallow. W. Covington
    wcovusmc@gmail.com

    • Posted By: zades @ 06/08/2008 5:13:09 PM

      As a US Army soldier and Iraq veteran, I find it interesting that you found this article insulting. On the other hand, I understand that your thoughts were not totally yours for the time that you were in training...nor in service, as I recall many organized, long, mechanical lines of you guys at the D-Facs of Camp Anaconda.

      I believe that the Bush propaganda train has rode these media tracks for long enough, brother. This is the other side of the war. The article was short, but I found that it didn't generalize in regards to the entire force. It just gives a glimpse of other things that are occuring in the military because of this elongated, unnecessary war. Afghanistan is another story, but had we stuck with Afghanistan, we would already have bases and constructive rotations there... However, it is the poorly organized war that is causing the brunt of our issues. This is why it is being brought up... not to mention the reality that with this being an election cycle (Presidential election cycle) the issues should be brought to the table...

      If you're still in brother, I wish you well. As for myself, I served in '04 and got out in '05...

      This Iraq conflict is criminal activity meant for the benefit of a few. Proof? NYSE, Dow Jones....shucks: Mobil Exxon.

      Our country is worth dying for...not our corporations...

    • Posted By: ChicoCDM @ 06/08/2008 2:24:40 PM

      Kudos to you!!

  • Posted By: KD Denton @ 06/08/2008 12:05:37 PM

    Gawd...I wish Newsweek would make it optional to see these comments. Nobody really knows what they're talking about. You know, make a "See Comments/Hide Comments" button. I know the whole "Well, you don't have to read it if you don't want to" ethos is there, but at least make an attempt to give the idiots their own little playpen so the rest of us aren't forced to see it.

    • Posted By: zades @ 06/08/2008 5:05:12 PM

      In this, we agree...

      Having to sort through Operation Chaos is truly annoying...

  • Posted By: Buzzramjet @ 06/08/2008 5:05:10 PM

    I'd like to say it is rather impressive amount of hatred, anger, and contempt expressed by the rightwing nutters who support this war and have absolutely NO idea of what they are talking about. They use mostly easily shot down ideas about Iraq and have the blind faith in something that doesn't exist anymore which is the Iraq war was based upon truth and honor, when in fact it has been proven to be based upon lies and cherry picked intelligence. The sad thing is they are more afraid to admit they are wrong than anything. They are the same mindset that continues to send young men and women to their deaths rather than admit anything they have done was wrong. Cognitive Dissonance indeed.

  • Posted By: Buzzramjet @ 06/08/2008 5:05:00 PM

    'd like to say it is rather impressive amount of hatred, anger, and contempt expressed by the rightwing nutters who support this war and have absolutely NO idea of what they are talking about. They use mostly easily shot down ideas about Iraq and have the blind faith in something that doesn't exist anymore which is the Iraq war was based upon truth and honor,
    when in fact it has been proven to be based upon lies and cherry picked intelligence. The sad thing is they are more afraid to admit they are wrong than anything. They are the same mindset that continues to send young men and women to their deaths rather than admit anything they have done was wrong. Cognitive Dissonance indeed.

  • Posted By: Buzzramjet @ 06/08/2008 5:03:24 PM

    I'd like to say it is rather impressive amount of hatred, anger, and contempt expressed by the rightwing nutters who support this war and have absolutely NO idea of what they are talking about. They use mostly easily shot down ideas about Iraq and have the blind faith in something that doesn't exist anymore which is the Iraq war was based upon truth and honor, when in fact it has been proven to be based upon lies and cherry picked intelligence. The sad thing is they are more afraid to admit they are wrong than anything. They are the same mindset that continues to send young men and women to their deaths rather than admit anything they have done was wrong. Cognitive Dissonance indeed.

  • Posted By: R.R. @ 06/08/2008 4:18:31 PM

    TO ALL YOU CHICKEN HAWKS, NEOCONS, BUSH LOYALISTS AND COMMIE LIBERALS, "TALKING TOUGH" ABOUT GOING TO WAR OR NOT GOING TO WAR UNDER THIS PRESIDENT:

    LETS HAVE VERIFIABLE PROOF THAT YOU SERVED IN THE MILITARY. DATABASES AND THE INTERNET ARE POWERFUL TOOLS TO CROSS-REFERENCE THE TRUTH FROM LIES .

    AND IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE MILITARY BUT SAY YOU SUPPORT OUT TROOPS, WE CAN REFER YOU TO THE NEAREST RECRUITER'S OFFICE SO YOU CAN SIGN UP AND PUT YOUR MOUTH ON THE FRONT LINES.

    AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT OR CAN'T DO THAT, GO VOLUNTEER YOUR TIME AT THE NEAREST V.A. HOSPITAL SO YOU CAN "TALK TOUGH" TO ALL THE TROOPS THAT CAME BACK FROM THIS WAR AND OTHERS WARS BEFORE IT, AND LETS SEE WHAT THESE VETERANS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS.

    I MYSELF TOOK AN OATH AT ONE TIME TO DEFEND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION AND TO OBEY THE ORDERS GIVEN TO ME. DOESN'T MEAN i AGREE WITH THE ORDERS, BUT I DID MY DUTY FOR GOD AND COUNTRY. AND UNLESS THERE'S ANY PLANNED DECLARATION OF MARSHAL LAW TO SUSPEND OUR RIGHTS UNDER THE GUISE OF NATIONAL SECURITY TO RESTORE ORDER, LAST I CHECKED, I STILL HAVE A RIGHT OT VOTE IN OR VOTE OUT WHOEVER I AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH.

    SO PUT YOUR MOUTH WHERE IT'LL DO THE MOST GOOD. EITHER IN IRAQ OR AT THE BALLOT BOX.

    SEE YOU THERE !

    SEMPER FI

  • Posted By: strvnartis @ 06/08/2008 3:49:33 PM

    It's true that name calling is not a good way to make a point. But there are alot of emotions involved in this situation. Instead of placing blame we (liberals and conservatives) should come to a good conclusion for this terrible situation.

    -a Liberal in Texas

    • Posted By: USS Wasp Cv 18 @ 06/08/2008 4:13:02 PM

      I agree and it really does not matter if you are a "liberal" ,"conservative" or what.
      I was born in 1924 and served aboard the cv18 in the south pacific during the big war. If you have studied history at all,You will know that this was the "real" thing, there was no oil involved, no fathers honor involved, no VP'S former company involved and i happen to be on one of the hardest hit ships that was in the fleet, but we managed, we knew we were fighting for a "just" cause and even though we lost hundreds of our shipmates, we perservered and limped back home. most likely, half of us were Reupblicans and half democrats, but we fought together like one, not like you are doing here today!!!! This sickens me to be honest, we are in a very bad war because a very bad man lied to get us there and he himself does not have any real military credentials. His Dad might have benn great, but he is sorry to say the least, and is directly responsible for lots of lives lost!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: rjsonnier292291 @ 06/08/2008 4:07:57 PM

    Talking to us (the military or the VA wishes military personnel would talk with them before they injure themseleves in order to avoid returning to Iraq) that is a novel new idea set forth by people that can't be trusted. The US Congress and or The Surgeon General should have a recruiting label for the US Military that reads "Serving in the US Military may be dangerous to your health". "Be all that you can be" sounds good and looks good on paper but do the math missing arms and legs and or mental trauma reduces greatly the possibility of a long healthy life. Take it from a vet who knows don't trust the military. If you want to serve do it inspite of all the danger and lies. It is true your country needs you but so do you need all of your arms, legs, mental capacity, days without torment, and nights without nightmares. I suggest talking to your GrandMother or Great Aunt if at all possible but do not trust the military to help you with life threatening decisions. There answer to Audie Murphy and Alvin York was "we'll get you through it" and that doesn't eliminate any pain or history of killing.

  • Posted By: GustoMaybe @ 06/08/2008 3:45:12 PM

    i volunteered for the service in the 80s and was turned down because as a homosexual, i wasn't good enough to kill foreigners. anyone who lied and joined then later wanted to get out could go to his c.o. and tell him "i'm gay!" and he'd be on the first plane home with a general discharge. but they still have "don't ask; don't tell". these guys shouldn't be hurting themselves; they just need to "tell". doesn't anyone remember Klinger from M.A.S.H.?

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