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The world isn't as dependent on the U.S. consumer as it was 10 or 15 years ago; there is indigenous demand now in Eastern Europe and China. Indeed, the rest of the world isn't in recession now because of the U.S. economic downturn.

High oil prices are a drag on the economy, even though we're more efficient than we were in the 1970s, when we had the last energy crisis. The biggest effect in the immediate future is political. Americans hate paying a lot at the pump, and they take it out on politicians. That's bad news for Republicans and good news for Democrats.

Conditions will likely remain difficult
Robert Rubin, Treasury secretary under Clinton, now chairman of the Citi executive committee

We are in a very uncertain and complex environment. There are a range of possibilities, and we can wind up anywhere on that spectrum. That said, I think there's a pretty high probability that conditions are going to remain difficult and that the principal problem is going to be consumption. Oil prices are plainly at levels that are impacting the consumer. We have falling housing prices. We have a zero percent savings rate and a high level of debt. The Federal Reserve can lower interest rates, but that doesn't automatically translate into new loans extended. There are a lot of people who believe that credit is likely to remain tight. So the Fed lowering rates is only one part of a process. Something like the legislation that Rep. Barney Frank has introduced, which is intended to catalyze the renegotiation of currently and potentially troubled mortgages, would be helpful.

There's another key point. It's very important to focus on the short term, and the terrible problems the situation is creating for people. But I think that there's a massively more important issue facing us: the long-term economic health of this country. I think we can do very well in the long run, but there's so much we have to do with regard to health care, energy, the fiscal situation and education to realize our potential. And I hope we don't lose sight of that.

The psychological impact will only get worse
Wilbur Ross, billionaire investor and past director of the Turnaround Management Association and American Bankruptcy Institute

I wish I could agree with treasury secretary Henry Paulson that we'll have a second-half rebound. The American consumer is both tapped out financially and burned out psychologically, so I don't see any reason that miraculously, three weeks from now, the whole world will change. The tragic attrition in home values has to have a negative wealth effect, a poverty effect, just as when homes were going up it made people feel more prosperous. I don't see the housing market turning, and I believe the psychological impact will get worse. Economists seem to think that a change in housing prices has a 3.75 to 7 percent effect on consumer spending in either direction. So at the low end you have an impact of $135 billion less in consumer spending.

People were using their homes as an ATM machine with bedrooms attached. That's over with. In the last five years, consumer debt rose from $9 trillion to some $13.5 trillion. In 2006 alone, Americans took out $350 billion from their homes in home-equity loans or second mortgages.

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  • Posted By: melpol @ 10/12/2008 4:04:52 PM

    No finagling at the top alone will restore the American economy. 75 percent of the economy is driven by the spending of ordinary consumers and they are frightened. Call it PTS and it will not be cured easily. The distribution of free booze and Prozac will jerk start spending again. That is the only quick fix that is possible.

  • Posted By: melpol @ 10/10/2008 12:59:40 PM

    There is no doubt that if there is a deep and long recession homes will have to be shared. No humane government would allow a large segment of the unemployed to go homeless while others have empty rooms. Those that refused to share their space would be seen as criminals and punished by eviction. Our lives would be difficult but eventually the economy would return to normal and we all would get back our privacy.

    There would be no time to choose a compatible roommate in times of an emergency.The problems of sharing a home with a stranger can be severe. The distribution of food and sex would have to be negotiated fairly. Fortunately the arrangement will be temporary. But in some cases strangers will become compatible and will be strangers no more. Faith,Hope and Charity can open all doors.

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 09/27/2008 12:28:46 AM

    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide the largest morgage bank in the world,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms. Also, Fanny and Freddy Mae which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.
    The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash and we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before.

    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.

    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He either didn't care or didn't realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime.
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a tanking economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why are the polls even close then ?


    The chairman of McCains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues they vote on a personality composite. Which means he is trying to sell you personality instead of results.

    He believes people will vote against their own interests.

    Let's teach him we are smarter than that .

    Hold them accountable NOW! while it will still help.

    Elect Obama Biden 2008

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