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  • Posted By: avitardotnet @ 09/30/2008 9:29:19 PM

    This is How to Fix the Economy plain and simple:

    1. Re-Establish Regulation on Financial Institutions.
    2. Place Restrictions on their executive management.
    3. Raise the amount of FDIC Insurance retirement funds.
    4. Force Banks to Pay us back First with Interest.
    5. Fix the Taxation System.

    The way I look at it, raising the FDIC amount helps give people (who make investment decisions based on emotions) a feeling of security. A good deal of the middle class around 50 years old have retirement accounts that are 250k or more.

    see http://howtofixtheeconomy.blogspot.com/

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 09/28/2008 5:10:32 PM

    In 2005, for the first time in history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill, S. 190, was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets. If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0



    In support of S 190, also known as the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, John McCain said: "For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO's report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO's report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay."

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16

    Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 would have Amended the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 to establish: (1) in lieu of the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), an independent Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Agency which shall have authority over the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation, the Federal Home Loan Banks, the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae), and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac); and (2) the Federal Housing Enterprise Board.
    Most importantly with regard to the CDS situation, S. 190 set forth operating, administrative, and regulatory provisions respecting: (1) assessment authority; (2) authority to limit nonmission-related assets; (3) minimum and critical capital levels; (4) risk-based capital test; (5) capital classifications and undercapitalized enterprises; (6) enforcement actions and penalties; (7) golden parachutes; and (8) reporting. Adoption of these regulatory provisions would have undoubtably affected the way CDSs were dealt with in "private" enterprises.
    The bill would have also amended the Federal Home Loan Bank Act to establish the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation., and transfered the functions of the Office of Finance of the Federal Home Loan Banks to such Corporation. If this had been in place three years ago, this whole situation might have been averted.

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190&tab=summary

  • Posted By: got2BU @ 09/28/2008 3:54:45 PM

    These "agencies have brought staffers out of retirement." That really burns me. I went back to school after my disabled child reached an age and caregiving level where I could get a higher education. I am a single mother certified to teach in three areas with a Master's Degree. I live in Florida and cannot get a job. I have to live close to a major medical facility because of my daughter's diagnoses. I am in debt thousands and thousands of dollars of student loans, that I have every intention of repaying...if I can get a job! We are barely making ends meet. 1500 teachers in Miami-Dade County have lost their jobs....many close to retirement. And these jobs are not being replaced. I don't know a lot about Wall Street, but on my street things are looking rather dismal. Where are our priorities? Thanks for letting me blow off some steam....

  • Posted By: Jfedup1 @ 06/09/2008 2:13:29 AM

    "The situation we're in is nowhere near stagflation???the consumer price index is rising at a 3 percent annual rate, compared with 13 percent in 1979. "

    Run the CPI numbers using the methodology in place by the Labor Dept. in 1980 and you will have an 11% CPI today. Lies, damn lies and statistics.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/27/2008 4:14:38 PM

      Really?

      I'm interested in this. Do you have any links?

  • Posted By: lifewonders @ 06/09/2008 1:53:28 AM

    Obama is skillful with words but a good speech on cake does not put bread on my table.

    The press keeps going goo goo gaa gaa over Obama and his silver tongue but American voters need in-depth reports on his records and his agenda. The media needs to apply the same standard on him as on Bush. Obama is no baby wearing diaper and running for presidency is no beauty baby contest.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/09/2008 8:19:46 AM

      I agree 100%. The media gave him a free pass on "bittergate".....and "Reverend Wright-gate" ... and Michelle Obama's "proud of my country" flap ... and the lapel pin ... and I noticed that CNN went out of it's way to report that it visited the Muslim school in Indonesia and found teachers wearing western clothes and boys and girls playing together (after all, Muslim radicals believe in equality among the sexes, right?) ... and ...

      wait a minute....what was your point again?

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/27/2008 4:13:21 PM

        I agree with Michelle Obama. I haven't been very proud of my country lately - a lot of people have been judgemental, intolerant, bellicose pricks. The press hasn't given anyone a pass on any of the issues you mentioned. Both candidates have been scrutinized as if under a microphone.

        Quite honestly, as long as there are uneducated and judgemental f|_|cks like you spouting hatred and failing to distinguish between Muslim moderates and jihadist radicals, I will continue to be somewhat ashamed of you on my country's behalf.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/09/2008 2:34:44 AM

      I am VERY worried about the economy. So are lots of people, including Rupert Murdoch, multi-billionaire owner of FoxNews and an arch-conservative Republican. Mr. Murdoch is supporting Obama, because he says that McCain is "weak on the economy" and that with McCain as President "the recession would deepen into a depression."

      Warren Buffet, CEO of Berkshire Hathaway and the richest man in the world is also supporting Obama, because he also believes Obama has what it takes to turn around our failing economy.

      Honestly, I think that both of these men know more about the economy and more about Obama's and McCain's capabilities than either of us do.

      Obama will win, and he will change our nation for the better.

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/27/2008 4:10:28 PM

        I think Buffett's endorsement of Obama is very, very strong.

        Murdoch, on the other hand, has to look at his own part in causing this mess. He's consistently told his media empire to editorialize in favor of the Iraq War, as well as deregulation, from what I understand. Both of these policies have propelled us into the financial inferno.

      • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/09/2008 12:42:43 PM

        Warren Buffet is a Genious but poliitcally he is always on the wrong side! and he was guilty of voter fraud! He voted for his wife after she died.

        • Posted By: OBWan @ 06/09/2008 10:35:16 PM

          onepoker - What about all those people that voted for Mel Carnahan in the US Senate race in 2000, he beat John Ashcroft. Would you say all those voters in MO committed fraud, after all Mel died in a airplane crash two weeks before the election.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 06/09/2008 9:42:06 AM

      You know, the same thing was said about JFK. Naysayers said he was all talk...that speeches and words couldn't change anything. Words and speeches ARE important. Words can start wars (hello "There are WMDs in Iraq!") and words can also spark change and healing. Words themselves can't change anything, of course...it's the reaction people have to those speeches. If speeches inspire the masses to demand a change for the better, then they certainly CAN make a difference.

      • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/09/2008 12:39:37 PM

        JFK got is into Vietnam!

        • Posted By: raddave @ 06/09/2008 1:34:30 PM

          Actually the escualtion in Vietnam happened after Kennedy was assassinated.

          • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/09/2008 1:52:03 PM

            He walked us in, LBJ escalated the situation, Then Nixon got us out. Just the facts ma'am just the facts

  • Posted By: winchoo1 @ 06/09/2008 12:37:43 AM

    Here's the bottom line!
    THE PRIMARIES:
    Hillary should have won by a mile...It's time to change everybody's right, back to Clinton, but a female with a good 2nd Fiddle (Bill) this time. They would make a good team! She got brownie points because she is female!
    Obama won because he is articulate and coloured. But he has no credentials and experience. He got brownie points because he is coloured
    THE ELECTION:
    McCain will win because of the Racial divide & the Gender issue. He is older but, if he picks Romney as his running mate, he will solve that.
    Republicans WERE destined to lose in 2008 but they will win because of Race, Religon and Politics. Good bless America & Democracy. (Remember Bush & Gore.........Florida again!)
    We need to sort the economy out, nobody has the real answer but repealing NAFTA is plain STUPID. America has gained jobs from Canada & needs them to supply Raw materials such as Oil, Lumber and products in a world hostile to the USA. The Country needs it's real Friends (read tradtional) now more than ever.
    I have never figured out how Mexico fits in really, but MEXICO needs to be changed (like Columbia was) to eradicate the drug trade. Like it, or lump it, we are stuck with Mexico and we will have to work with their Millions of illegal immigrants in the the USA and the Country itself. Obama is kidding you and the Country if you beleive that NAFTA can be undone.
    As for IRAQ, to pull out on a DEADLINE by the end of 2009 is STUPID & irresponsible. We are now in there for as long as it takes. If Obama or Clinton force this withdrawal it will come back to haunt us all.

    This is a quick and dirty analysis by an ABC. American/British/Canadian with a world political & economic background and a resident of all three countries. WE should stick together (with countries of similar values) stay the course (as we have before) and ride the storm and we will triumph in the end.
    Think about cutting Chinese imports for one Fiscal Quarter (Pirate DVD's DVD Players, TV's and electronics in general. Then look at evrything else we buy from them and hold them also. THIS IS NOT VOODOO ECONOMICS. Three months would bring China to a shuddering halt and make them realise that the world is very,very, very interdependant and stop all this wild debate about how they control our economy. Rember the Japanese scare in the 1990's?
    COME ON AMERICA. VIETNAM put us into FUNK but WE can stop this now.
    The housing crisis was bound to come and a correction was inevitable. Remember that and remember the DOT.COM bubble?
    What goes UP will always go down (not nescessarilly to the same level). That's economic history.
    Watch out for Commoditty & OIL speculation.
    I'm betting on $60 a barrel for Oil in the next few months or early 2009.
    So let's adopt a PMA (Positive Mental Attitude)

    John

    • Posted By: maxbianco @ 06/09/2008 3:22:09 AM

      coloured???.... small ideals eminating from an even smaller mind!!

      • Posted By: winchoo1 @ 06/09/2008 11:50:38 PM

        By the way "Max" Barack Obama is technically a Kenyan-White Amercan Half Breed.
        He is NOT "AFRICAN AMERICAN"
        How would you like me to address this delicately.
        "Coloured" was not a throwback to old USA ways, simply descriptive.That was before my time. I am White, Whitey or even a "Limey" or a Brit or a "Canuck" or whatever. I am not that particular. I don't get insulted by Labels only by people that make irrelevant and mindless comments.
        If you don't want to see or hear the truth.........turn to another channel!!!!!!!!!!!!

        John

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/27/2008 4:06:59 PM

          No one is going to look at the rest of your talking points as long as you say things like "coloured" and "half breed".

      • Posted By: winchoo1 @ 06/09/2008 11:41:21 PM

        The only Max I know wis Mel Gibson (MAD MAX). The only Bianco I know is BIANCO (Jagger). No comment!
        Do you want political correctness or facts?
        Your response is dareingly short of anthing apart from plain simple rudeness.
        If you don't have a real comment, I guess you should not talk about "smaller minds"
        WHAT EXACTLY WAS YOUR POINT?
        I don't get it. So "Coloured" is the only point you made.
        Laughable........try something better next time!

        John

  • Posted By: mariethomson @ 06/08/2008 10:50:38 PM

    If Obama is President financial analysts predict a full scale collapse of our economy. Why? Because of his tax increases to pay for his spendy programs. This will include a capital gains doubling. That will leave much less in the hands of investors to build businesses that hire workers that spend money that pump the economy and make it prosperous. Also, Obama will be death to small businesses. I am a small business owner and I already know that we will have to move offshore if Obama is president with his tax and spend buddies in Congress. Until now we have proudly hired only American workers and subcontractors. Trust me, we will not be able to afford that If Obama wins. With McCain we will stay and have high quality tech jobs here in the USA. Every small business owner I know is already being squeezed by gas prices and other commodity hikes. Obama will chase the last of us clinging to being patriotic and trying to stay in America out. After all, we are in business to make a profit! That's the point of it. Can't run on fumes while we pay employees forever.

    • Posted By: OBWan @ 06/10/2008 10:16:09 AM

      Mariethomson - I seriously doubt that you area small business owner. You doth protest too much.

      Everyone not just business owners are being squeezed by prices increases - this is related to the devaluation of the dollar, which is the result of lowering interest rates - which caused oil to increase because of speculation.

      Let some of your employees go - there are formulas to figure at what dollar values points employee hiring/reduction should take place. I am sure that your consultants (every business has these) can get you the details.

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/27/2008 4:04:43 PM

        You sound like an elitist to me who doesn't believe other people are capable and intelligent too. I work for my family's small business. We don't have consultants. A lot of small businesses don't have consultants, or need them. Hiring them is usually the hallmark of *larger* businesses, in fact.

        I support Obama - that being said - why don't you go snide your way over somebody else?

    • Posted By: FairnBalanced @ 06/08/2008 11:38:31 PM

      So, you think more of the same is a "good thing" huh? You have to be kidding me. Then again, with all the really neato things that W has accomplished (fiscal ruin, erosion of constitutional rights, settling his daddy's bar tab with Saddam Hussein, diminishing the roles of the EPA and OSHA) I understand the need for vitriol.

      As wise man once said that , "the only thing to fear is fear itself". The Republican plan is to do just that : Get voters to ignore their horrendous failures and sell fear to the masses. Its your only chance.

  • Posted By: DrMan @ 06/08/2008 10:36:18 PM

    I'm so sick of people complaining about how much CEOs make. How many of them make more than 5 million a year? I'd guess not a lot. Why did I pick 5 million? That's how much the voice of Lisa Simpson will make next year...Why don't you complain about that. As for the Bush is a d*cik moron. Let's see what Obama has planned for 2009. Oh yeah, soak the rich to pay for his socialist programs that will go nowhere. No wonder job creation sucks who would create jobs when you have to pay them 10 bucks an hour to be a waiter and provide full benefits. Wake up!!!

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/27/2008 4:01:54 PM

      A LOT of them make more than $5 million a year. Some of them make several times that on a bonus.

      And we're especially bitching in this case because these lavishly overcompensated men have gambled away our economy. They've helped destroy the solvency of millions in their efforts to beat the next firm in quarterly profits. You can be as sick as you like of us, and we will continue to be sick of greedy CEOs.

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 09/27/2008 12:27:21 AM

    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide the largest morgage bank in the world,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms. Also, Fanny and Freddy Mae which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.
    The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash and we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before.

    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.

    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He either didn't care or didn't realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime.
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a tanking economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why are the polls even close then ?


    The chairman of McCains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues they vote on a personality composite. Which means he is trying to sell you personality instead of results.

    He believes people will vote against their own interests.

    Let's teach him we are smarter than that .

    Hold them accountable NOW! while it will still help.

    Elect Obama Biden 2008

  • Posted By: 1easylay @ 09/24/2008 12:01:41 PM

    I don't think the whole economy is going to implode. Awful...........without a doubt.
    Appocalyptic....probably not.

    Time to reinstate regulations and controls for the essentials like energy, healthcare, financial markets and other industries that cannot be trusted to pure, human greed as evidenced by recent events.

    Make CEO pay even remotely comprehensible to the Avg. worker's, reign in bonuses for CEO's taking risks a crack head wouldn't take and restore some faith in America.

    The degredation has gone on long enough, now. The Repubs have already shown what they can do. Anyone impressed?

  • Posted By: JaneFJ @ 09/23/2008 9:50:27 PM



    Our debts levels has exceeded tolerable limits. More money must be printed. There is no way to finance Mr. Paulson's proposal by selling bonds because they are worthless(TOXIC). Why would foreignors by our (TOXIC) assets? The only resolution is $200 bill w/ Big Ben' s face.

    Looking forward, the rescue package appears doom to fail because households are fully leveraged.
    But unlike the government, households cannot print money. Our economy has become so liberalized that people cannot demand higher wages to meet inflation.

    In addition, the real estate scandal has effectively wiped the upper middle class. This, along with the inability to demand higher wages, will ultimately trickle down to the majority in the middle class. As this happens the governmen't debt burden will increase even more due to lower income tax revenues.

    Sooner or later, the middle class will begin liquidating assets in order to meet living expenses and financial obligations. You know the rest. Zimbabwe here we come.

  • Posted By: Tea6 @ 08/03/2008 12:41:51 PM

    When this recession is over will this be another jobless recovery? In the 2001 recession, companies used the opportunity to outsource and offshore everything. While GDP picked up, jobs did not which is why it was called a jobless recovery. There is no reason to think that this recovery will be any different. The high priced consulting firms are still telling corporate America to outsource and offshore everything. We may look back at the current state of the job market as the golden years. In the future it would not surprise me if unemployment exceeded 10% and one third of the workforce was forced into part-time or contractor status. Then even the upper middle class will complain about being hollowed out.

  • Posted By: retlaw67 @ 08/02/2008 8:45:07 PM

    The cycle of depression has always impacted the human race. We learn nothing from history. Good luck to those who face impoverishment. It sucks from the bottom up. For all it's brilliance goes along with the height of folly. Just because a new label is placed on the Office Door does not mean any real change takes place. Tighten your belt because it is going to get much worse.

  • Posted By: SharedGrowth @ 08/02/2008 4:15:32 PM

    With a Weak Economy, We Need Smarter Policies

    The old tricks aren???t working any more. The government???s tools for a weak economy have been to lower interest rates, borrow and spend, or have a war. Now, interest rates are so low that you can???t earn enough on your savings to keep up with inflation, the government owes $31,666 for every man, woman and child in America, and we have two of the longest running wars in U.S. history. We need something new, something smarter.

    Let???s stop collecting taxes in ways that hurt us. We need two simple changes to our existing system.

    Start with capital gains. Right now, people who earn more money in a year than you could dream of making in your lifetime pay only a 15% tax on most of that income, which is less than the Social Security and Medicare taxes that any middle class wage earner pays on their income. With patience and good planning, they pay no tax at all on their gains. Why do we have such a strange system? Economists will cite two reasons.

    First, if we tax these earnings from wealth as heavily as we tax earnings from work, then the wealthy will tend to spend more of their money instead of investing it. But the government just went deeper into debt sending out billions of dollars in checks to try to get people to spend money. So why are we bribing the wealthy to NOT spend money?

    Second, because people can avoid having taxable gains by simply not selling their stock, having a normal tax rate on gains will tend to keep dollars from flowing to the best investments, which is bad for the economy. But what if instead we got corporations to pay out all of their earnings as dividends and then have to ask people to reinvest the cash? That would be a much more effective way to make money flow where it should.

    Now consider corporate tax. Under our system, if a U.S. corporation earns $1.00 in Switzerland and keeps the cash out of the U.S., it keeps $1.00. If it earns the same $1.00 in the U.S., it must give $0.35 to the tax man. So where do you suppose companies will put their most valuable activities? That kind of incentive is what has been killing U.S. jobs and keeping down U.S. wages. There is less demand for U.S. workers because this is a bad place to invest, so employees can???t demand as much pay.

    What is the simple solution? Give corporations a deduction for paying dividends, and make up the lost tax revenue by getting rid of the capital gain benefits on the individual side and raising taxes a bit on people earning over $500,000 a year. On average, the over $500,000 group would still pay total federal and state income tax of only 37.6%. Cash would flow and jobs would grow. Wouldn???t that be smarter?

  • Posted By: GaltKnows @ 08/01/2008 10:12:19 PM

    We are seeing the death of the old economy and waking up to the new economy as written in the book "$500 Startup" (you can only find it on the book's website www.500DollarStartup.com). Much to the dismay and disbelief of farmers when we had a changing of hands when we went from an agrarian society to an industrial society, there is pain with change. We are now going from an industrial society to a global society. Power, money and jobs are no longer held as a strong hold in America but now everywhere. That said we can not be surprised that other countries are enjoying prosperity when we are sending our dollars out of the country and not spending them here. Even our dependence on foreign oil is ridiculous. We are at the mercy of our oil lords. Americans need to have American made energy that doesn't pollute. The problem with our current solar, wind, thermal, biofuel is that we are still slaves to corporations and its expensive or it won't come on line for years to provide the energy we need. An immediate solution is biomass gasifiers that every person could have at home providing all the electricity they need to power their home, job site or car. I found out that with recycled parts and "trash" like coffee grinds, yard waste, corn husks, grass, wood scraps etc.... and a weekend you can have clean energy. I found out how iat the gasification social network at www.VictoryGasworks.com

  • Posted By: 1key @ 07/30/2008 8:56:04 PM

    Seventy five years of FDR socialistic money policies have caught up with our spend your way into wealth.system. There is no backing for the dollar. No GNP can be shown as there is no wealth in the U.S.A.
    All our resources have been squandered to the rest of the world. Carter gave the Panama Canal away, Johnston robbed the S.S. trust fund after FDR made the dollar worth 59 cents. Name 1 right thing the demos have done to help the United States of America

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 07/28/2008 5:28:30 PM

    Stop hiring Americans, LAYOFF Americans, Offshore all the jobs, and sell your products to countries you have offshored to. Move your corporate headquarters offshore, and leave us alone. We are ready to start over without you. Shame on HR and CIO's in the U.S. I think it's time for you to leave this country, or retire with all the greasy cash you've gotten. We really don't want you here. We are not as asleep as you think we are.

  • Posted By: archmsu @ 07/27/2008 5:18:14 PM

    Good.......American's need to taught a lesson in ecomonics. But then again, the US Congress will probably bail you out for your stupidity. What's next......rewarding murders for thinning out the population?

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 07/25/2008 7:30:00 PM

    What I want to know is just what these "economists" are smoking,
    This economy is in for a long long decline and will not recover anytime soon.
    We are a cunsumer driven economy, the one thing the trickle down economics has ignored and to a large extent destroyed is the middle class IE: the consumers.
    You cannot send the jobs overseas and tell an unemployed steelworker if he wants to stay in the middle class go back to school and get a law degree.
    This war against the middle class driven by greed has been going on for some 40 years with the effort to kill the one thing that raised skilled labor to the middle class the labor unions, all only a shadow of what they once were.
    Housing construction is now done largely by illegals or what remains of the housing industry.
    Bush, Gramm, Fiorina all tell us the economy is great, and I'm sure it is in thier small circle of friends but for the rest of America it's not so great. Except Houston of course where the economy is better than great.
    We see smaller municipalities suffering because of the dependance on sales tax, which of course is dependant on consumers,
    This economy has a long way to fall yet due to the incredible shortsighted economic policies initiated by Reagan and now shoved down our throuts by Bush.
    When we get a bottom up economy restarted as has been suggested by OBama the economy in due course will recover but not before.

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