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  • Posted By: ploughman @ 06/11/2008 12:58:21 PM

    The skeptics were right: House prices can't sustain a 50% jump at a time when median incomes are actually slightly DOWN when adjusted for inflation. Only the top (and especially the top 1%) has benefited under Bush. House prices have further room to fall, and the damage will be greatest in far-flung suburbs.

    By itself, the mortgage meltdown looks like another greed-based bubble following on the dotcoms, derivatives, S&Ls, leveraged buyouts, etc. Combined with the energy problem, though, it gets much worse. Even the traditional measures of whether you can afford a house that banks ignored could be too lenient in a time when household budgets are getting hammered by gas and food.

  • Posted By: 1opinion2many @ 06/11/2008 11:18:05 AM

    Daniel Gross is simply not up the task of this article-- determining whether the current situation is very bad, .bad but getting better, or not as bad as many think. Newsweek needs to hire someone with real training in economics. Prior experience writing for Slate does not cut it.
    Gross's understanding of economics is very limited. A statement such as 'The financial system is supposed to be a tube,' is a 'gross' simplification that creates a misleading analogy. The financial system is feedback loop through which the Fed can not simply force through liquidity like water.
    The Fed money injections are dwarfed by international capital flows and household savings, let alone regular business cash flow. So 'today banks are acting more like dried sponges, absorbing the liquidity the Fed is providing to shore up their balance sheets and make up for losses' is nonsense, or otherwise we would see interest rates rising for short term borrowing. And of course, '55 percent of commercial banks said they are tightening lending standards on commercial loans'. Would we want them to lend loosely as the economy slows and risks of default rise?
    Finally, let uis all realize that when someone writes 'Economists say it generally takes nine to 12 months for Federal Reserve interest-rate cuts to work their way into the system' they are too lazy to ask real economists.

    In sum, quoting Warren Buffet The smarter the journalists are, the better off society is. [For] to a degree, people read the press to inform themselves-and the better the teacher, the better the student body. - Warren Buffett

  • Posted By: flattie74 @ 06/11/2008 10:21:54 AM

    so the GDP will grow exponentially as marriages fail, stress induces cancer, war brings thousands
    of medical procedures, and suicides boost the funeral biz... and thats a good thing?

  • Posted By: flattie74 @ 06/11/2008 10:18:04 AM

    so the GDP will grow exponentially as marriages fail, stress induces cancer, war injuries generate
    more medical procedures, suicides boost the funeral home biz.... and thats agood thing?

  • Posted By: ravitchn@bellsouth.net @ 06/11/2008 8:49:31 AM

    Having grown up with parents who always talked about the Great Depression I find every economic crisis we have had since described in apocalyptic tones. A turn down is a depression. A few more unemployed means soup kitchens and apple sellers. Americans are spoiled. the Depression generation survived by hard work, self-help, and courage. We don't seem to have much of that any more.

    • Posted By: OBWan @ 06/11/2008 9:14:33 AM

      Do not forget the CCC and the WPA.
      We were also over 50% agriculture based. My parents and grandparents had many visitors that became friends and family, different time, and different lifestyles. Different economic drivers - same result?

  • Posted By: hellbreaksloose @ 06/11/2008 9:04:10 AM

    some of the comments on jews go really far. one thing though is this. America first. if you want to fight for isreal go there, do not influence America on this.

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/11/2008 4:03:33 AM

    Hillary Supporters beware and rememeber the wolf's clothing Republican!!!!

    John MCCain and his dog pack Republican impreached BILL CLINTON out of Oval office,for Monica lewisky scandal,Even Republican party Knows John MCCain scandal during his Military serivce in Vietnam to and fro from his base doing his sinful Bigamy affairs being allowed with Military Blessing ???cheat his first Wife...Just because at that time his Father incharge and Admiral right????/Now You Republican nominate him as Candidate??? what a Hypocrites Bunch!!!!!!

    If US has a PRESIDENT of this magnitude appeals WOW !!!!!!really AMAZING real Talented never in AMERICAN history before,Im really PROUD to be American Again,,he's Zionist, Muslim, Christian, Black, White,Buddist,Hindu,Bengali,African,Red-Indian,Chinese,Japanese,Hawaiian,..........WOW this all are an ASSETS smart Americans can be proud of,only the FOOL and STUPID can treats this as LIABILITY that look exactly like themselves.

    Barack Obama would actually be much better for America security. There's no doubt to me McCain would be better than Bush, the Bush years being probably as much about fueling terrorism than fighting it. But McCain would still represent (but less) what can be seen as America's arrogance, something that makes USA so unpopular around the world. A black man with Hussein as a middle name would send a clear message in Middle East that America is about freedom, an important contrast with some form of imperialism. Combined with Obama intelligence about understanding dialogging with enemies, I humbly think this would affect directly terrorism recruiting. I may sound over-optimistic, but I think his image alone as a president could do more for democracy in Middle East than any war.

    This Economy common sense!! yet many Americans have difficulties to understand the basic of their existence in first place.Check out the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18 and 19). Take a look at Romans 1:22-32. Pretty sobering reading - if you are not too self-important and arrogant to think you've already got it all figured out and don't need the input of the Ancient of Days. Don't guess they teach Proverbs 1:7 at those Ivy League school.


  • Posted By: capitalmultiplier @ 06/11/2008 3:54:53 AM

    The U.S. housing bust and global credit crisis is unfolding pretty much exactly as The Capital Multiplier newsletter predicted! Prudent investors who are fed up of seeing bogus low inflation statistics and disgusted with Fed attempts at bailing out irresponsible banks and borrowers, should visit www.CapitalMultiplier.com and sign up for a weekly newsletter to get invaluable insights that you won't find anywhere else!

  • Posted By: kenmunger @ 06/10/2008 7:02:38 PM

    Comparing 2008 inflation to1979 inflation looks great until you remember they changed the method in haw they calculate it. In fact I believe they (Fed) have changed it twice. I'm sure you have forgotten this minor tidbit.
    3% per annum? We've had 3% in the last month or two using the 1979 method...

  • Posted By: cs_bunny @ 06/10/2008 12:26:42 AM

    All you have to do is look at the jews. I hate to say it but it was Milton Freidman that exported our job in free trade, it was alan greenspan that gave us our bubbles, it was thomas freidman that sold our world is flat idea, it was the jewish zionist neocons that put us in Afghanistan and Iraq thus exploding our deficits and crashing our dollar. Has their ever been a problem that this nation has faced in the last 50 years that hasnt had the fingers of jews destroying our nation for the benefit of their own race.

    Sick of high taxes, check out every head of the teachers union and civil service union. Their all communist jews doing less and getting paid more off your taxes.

    Read Mearsheimer and Walt on the power of the jewish lobby. Obama nearly has to genuflect and kiss the feet of the jewish lobby just to be a candidate for president and their only 1% of the population

    Read the American Conservative on Israeli and jewish spying on our government and corporations.

    Remember the next time a politician says they dont have money for veteran healthcare, for medicaid for the poor, for medicare for the seniors, social security or unemployment insurance for those displaced by offshoring. Yes they will say our country doesnt have money for those programs but will any politician say the american people cant afford billions every year in forien and military aid for israel. Not on your life.

    Abortion=jews, birth control pills=jews, feminism=jews, radical anti-male (son, boy, husband, father) feminism=jews, anti-marriage feminism=jews, pornography=jews, over-diagnosing and medicating children with mental illnesses=jews, international white sex slavers=Israelis....you see a pattern here....vile economic exploiters on non-jews

    In every area of our economy that jews touch if becomes distorted and corrupt. Jews are very simply unpatriotic to every nation that has ever been tolerant enough to accept them. They are vile and by their very nature exploitative of the very moral fiber of non-jewish culture and society. While jews demand tolerance and an open society they refuse to assimilate acting as a race within a race....which makes them a cancer. The holocaust happened because german jews were more sympathic to russian communists than they were to the german nationalist movement....in effect the holocaust wasnt because of anti-semetism but because of race based politics and the more jews destroy the US the greater the liklihood of them sewing the seeds of the next holocaust of the jews.

    Lets just be honest thatIraq and Afghanistan are very simply proxy wars for Israel but since thats what the jewish neocons want and AIPAC lobbies, ... how many of their american jewish sons and daughters are in the military fighting that proxy war. Yep, you guessed it the jews are sending your sons and daughters while they stay here and get rich of your sons death and disability.

    This recession/depression is the fault of jews.....and they need to be held accountable

    • Posted By: ted_hu @ 06/10/2008 6:38:43 PM

      That's your view of the world, though bygone it I'm not sure how that helps you in life. Albert Einstein was a Jew. Bill Gates is part Jew. Who cares. Sure the bible is a rather violent piece of writing that has engendered wars of all sorts. But that's far from blaming the Jews for everything including your constipation last night.

      At the end of the day, Obama is a black man who can change the face of mankind for the better. Last thing on my mind is to rot my mind playing the conspiracy blame game. Time to move forward and make rational decisions by the numbers. Enough dogma and fear-mongering already. Republicans have had 10-years at it and it's set us back to a 2nd-rate nation in record time..

    • Posted By: cs_bunny @ 06/10/2008 12:29:32 AM

      no doubt the jews will have this comment censored in some way but in truth what has been said about jews that does not have its source in fact.

      • Posted By: OBWan @ 06/10/2008 9:58:03 AM

        cs_bunny -
        You know that is what is great about America, you have the right to say things that are absolutely vial, but I also tune it it. As one person said "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." - Hubert H. Humphrey.

        cs_bunny, you cannot be taken seriously. Please go back to rock you were hiding under.

        • Posted By: Grumpy Old Bastich @ 06/10/2008 12:34:07 PM

          If you spell "cs_bunny" sideways and squint, it spells "Mel Gibson!"

  • Posted By: raddave @ 06/10/2008 1:42:44 PM

    cs-bunny, The holocaust happened because german jews were more sympathic to russian communists than they were to the german nationalist movement??? I thought it was caused by idiotic, bigoted jerks such as yourself, who want to blame other people for their own misfortunes and shortcomings. Remember, not only Jews were killed during the holocaust, Gypsies, homosexuals, Priests and ministers, Mentally handicapped, political opposition to the Nazis.

  • Posted By: Drtom @ 06/10/2008 12:50:26 PM

    A week or so ago one of the major news shows on tv had an oil representative on and he said that they had discovered a large oil field under the largest lake in North Dakota. He also said this field was larger than all the oil in the Middle East I think he said over 300 billion barrels. Has any one else heard about this?

  • Posted By: Newzweak @ 06/10/2008 12:14:39 AM

    Someone called Obama Hitler on this thread and MY comment was erased because I said that the writer of this article constructed metaphors poorly. What a joke.

    • Posted By: OBWan @ 06/10/2008 10:03:05 AM

      Newzweak - It is still there. You just need to know how to do a search.

  • Posted By: Karenn1 @ 06/10/2008 9:33:38 AM

    Don't worry about the economy,McCain has a plan. Cut taxs to pay for the war,send Gov. Contracts to France.If the Oilphant candidate has his way .Kiss the Dollar good by.Card Max,s Out

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/10/2008 5:51:27 AM

    If US has a PRESIDENT of this magnitude appeals WOW !!!!!!really AMAZING real Talented never in AMERICAN history before,Im really PROUD to be American Again,,he's Zionist, Muslim, Christian, Black, White,Buddist,Hindu,Bengali,African,Red-Indian,Chinese,Japanese,Hawaiian,..........WOW this all are an ASSETS smart Americans can be proud of,only the FOOL and STUPID can treats this as LIABILITY that look exactly like themselves.

  • Posted By: JackoAmerica @ 06/10/2008 3:20:29 AM

    Agree with cs_bunny, but Anglo-Americans participate in this international criminal conspiracy.

    Wandering Anglo-Americans and Jewish Americans are a threat to world security since the early 20th century.

  • Posted By: Cliff-N-Cali @ 06/10/2008 2:40:05 AM

    c_5 bunny what's wrong with you? Its people like you that make me not want to question why affirmitive action is still around!! Absolutely everything you stated makes absolutely no sense what so ever. It sounds like you copied your comments straight from some Natzi web site. I even doubt that you know or have ever talked to any jewish people!! I also think you need to get your racist facts straight! Oh and if your wondering..?? I am a black man!!! So go ahead and get your facts straight ....Natzi!

  • Posted By: transmigration_110 @ 06/10/2008 12:46:47 AM

    In 1997, some very intelligent scientists who had dedicated years to studying their craft in a precise and repeatable fashion predicted that oil prices would start to jump around 2005, and by around 2010-2015, demand would outpace supply and there would oil shortages. Scientists also predicted the effect of this phenomenon on the price of food, consumer goods, etc. MBA's and writers for oil industry trade journals, with no knowledge of math or science, pooh-poohed this so called "Peak Oil" concept. Then, in 2004, oil prices started to rise and have not quit since, despite the quarterly optimism of economists (again, not trained in science) who repeatedly state that things will level out next quarter once the laws of supply and demand take over. At this point, four years in, the only predictions that have proven accurate have been the ones that said over a decade ago that things would just keep getting worse unless we found another cheap way to transport people and cargo. Are we going to keep believing the economists and journalists who insist that we're about to turn the corner, or are we finally going to accept that maybe the experts really are experts and start preparing for a gas shortage and even bigger economic downturn in the next few years?

  • Posted By: proband @ 06/09/2008 11:23:47 PM

    William Howard Taft, the incumbent, won only 23% of the popular vote in 1912

  • Posted By: ru4real6846 @ 06/09/2008 9:59:10 AM

    Bush has screwed up our economy, by sending our troops to war for no good reason. He lied to all of us about the war and now, over 4000 deaths later, it's still no better. Everything is on the rise and Bush does nothing about it. John McCain wants to do the same as Bush. Is that what we want? We want to get out of this hole we are in. If McCain gets in office, it will get even worse, because all McCain thinks about is this senseless war Bush started for no reason. If it wasn't for George Bush, our economy wouldn't be like it is. Everything is going to hell, because of Bush and his lies. Why is he still in office? Everybody knows he lied about everything, but yet this country lets him get away with it. Why is that? We want Obama in office because democrats are for the working and less fortunate people. Republicans are for the rich and only the rich. They get tax breaks. Bush is a disgrace to this country and the American people. He has screwed up royally. He does nothing about the price of gas, or anything else that needs to be improved in this country. Republicans never do. We want a democrat in office so we can get our America back to where it's suppose to be. We are tired of Bush getting away with all his lies and not caring what goes on in this country. Doesn't anybody care what it's going to be like when our children and grand-children get older? People in this country are ignorant and stupid not to realize that Bush has ruined everything this country stands for. He has screwed with our constitution and the laws of the land. In November, vote for Obama, because democrats will straighten out all of Bush's stupid mistakes and maybe we can get our country back, to where it's suppose to be.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/09/2008 12:01:08 PM

      Im sorry but Bush didn't lie! He made a decision based on the best available information at the time and it may have been a bad decision but it wasn't a lie. A lie is when someone intentionally says something that is untrue like saying I never had sexual relations with that woman. When in fact you did. Or saying I didn't know the preacher felt that way when you attended his church for twenty years those are lies. Now your thinking to yourself but bushes mistakes cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars. Well maybe they did but then again maybe the war is necessary and maybe he prevented another 911 from happening Maybe the middle east will become a little more stable after we settle the infighting in Iraq and ensure that Islamo facists don't gain control. Is it possible that this economic down turn we are experiencing could be do to some major events in our country like the loss of a large city do to Katrina. Or A housing bubble formed from a we gotta spend it all and spend it now culture. Its easy to blame one guy for all the ills in the world but don't be surprised if the annointed one Barak Obama turns out to be an ineffectual and economically disasterous leader. Change is not a plan. Saying we want to change is like saying we want to run away its an emotional response that will not solve anything. We need someone in office who will confront the problems and come up with viable solutions.

      • Posted By: OBWan @ 06/09/2008 10:59:44 PM

        Onepoker - Not according to the latest Senate hearings - he lied - BIG TIME.
        If there was not so little time left to his term impeachment proceedings would be started.

        Check out Sen. Rockefeller (D-WV) hearings.

      • Posted By: bobbyb4n6 @ 06/09/2008 1:50:14 PM

        Onepoker......are you or your children in the military fighting this war? If not, why not? If you are so supportive of Bush and this war, then enlist or send your children to do so. If not and you haven't been there (which I have mulitiple times), then give it up. The "Islamo facist" threat is a joke and a bumper sticker and we are making it so much worse than it really is. If we invest in alternate fuel sources and get off of oil then the "Islamo facist" threat no longer exists.

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