THE ENDGAME

Out and Down

If history is any guide, Hillary Clinton's next battle will be with the painful reality of loss.

By Suzanne Smalley and Evan Thomas | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Jun 16, 2008

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  • Posted By: Nins @ 07/11/2008 12:20:37 AM

    Know why McCain wants to distance himself from former Senator Phil Gramm? It is not just because of Gramm's recent obnoxious remarks calling Americans "a nation of whiners" and that unemployed Americans are in "a mental recession." In fact, those remarks were so obnoxious that I wonder if they were engineered just to provide McCain an excuse for publicly distancing himself from Gramm. This issue is a lot deeper than it looks on the surface.

    When Gramm was a Senator he was chair of the Committee on Banking, and in that capacity he was able to push through the legislation now known as the "Enron Loophole." This loophole allowed US investment banks to bypass the Federal regulations governing futures trading, and is the reason why the investment banks were able to falsely inflate the prices of oil, wheat, corn and other commodities through massive futures trading, causing your costs of gas, heating oil and food to go through the roof.

    Gramm was a member of McCain's campaign team, but now Gramms' name is turning to mud. In addition to the Enron loophole, Gramm pushed through the Gramm-Leach-Biley Act in 1999, which got rid of the laws that seperate banking, insurance and brokerage activities in America. Essentially, this Act did away with all of the good laws written after the Great Depression to protect us from another Wall Street/Banking Industry collapse. That's right, Gramm stripped the system of it's safe guards nine years ago, and guess what? The value of the dollar has nose-dived, Wall Street is highly unstable, and we are in the midst of a recession.

    Now you could say that this is not Gramm's fault, that he didn't know what the outcome of his actions would be. However, it turns out that the same investment banks that benefited from the Enron loophole and from the Gramm Act gave more than a million dollars to Gramm's campaign. Uh oh. A Congressional hearing is going to be convened to investigate this. And McCain wants to have noting to do with Gramm, wants us to forget that Gramm has been a key player on McCain's campaign team. Gramm was McCain's campaign CO-CHAIR and LEADING ECONOMIC ADVISER.

    With Gramm in the driver's seat as his leading economic adviser, now you know why economists and analysts are saying that McCain's economic policy plans are untenable.

  • Posted By: hotstuff @ 07/10/2008 7:07:08 PM

    Maybe Obama can let her play with her favorite toy: health care.
    But it´s a serious matter!

  • Posted By: Nins @ 07/10/2008 1:07:46 PM

    Carly Fiorina is one of John McCain's chief surrogates, particularly talking him up to women. But Fiorina, who was ousted as chief of Hewlett-Packard in 2005, is not above lying to soften the edges on McCain's positions that are unpopular with women.

    On Monday, Fiorina said this to a group of reporters "Let me give you a real, live example, which I've been hearing a lot about from women. There are many health insurance plans that will cover Viagra but won't cover birth control medication. Those women would like a choice." She said. And then for emphasis, she repeated "Those women would like a choice."

    Clearly, women don't need to chose between birth control and Viagra. So by saying those women would like a choice, just what did Fiorina mean? Is she trying to make McCain look Pro-Choice?

    This is not the first time that Fiorina has taken some license with McCain's positions. She recently told women in Columbus, Ohio that McCain "has never signed on to efforts to overturn Roe vs. Wade." This is a blatant falsehood and misrepresentation of McCain's position, since McCain's own campaign website states "John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that."

    When it comes to the birth control issue, in a rebuttal to Fiorina's Monday comments, the group Pro-Choice America was happy to point out that McCain twice voted against measures that would have required insurance companies to cover birth control -- in 2003 and in 2005.

    The Republican said Wednesday that he did not recall those votes. "It's something that I had not thought much about." he added.

    Now that will make him popular with women voters.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/09/mccain-squirms-on-birth-control-question/

  • Posted By: jhick81 @ 07/10/2008 10:17:07 AM

    It's funny when republicans make things up. Yeah, Obama's being viewed as a phony across the whole entire country....so I guess McCain must be a pretty weak candidate to be losing right now to a widely known phony. I'm also pretty sure that every single Democratic candidate that ever ran for office was once labeled "the most left wing candidate we have ever had" by the right wing. Only problem now is that, in reality, the "conservative" brand has lost so much weight in America, and the liberal label is not the curse it once was.

  • Posted By: datzamore@aol.com @ 07/09/2008 10:33:02 PM

    The issue of Hillary's fake love-fest will pale in comparison to Obama's connections. Around most of America, east coast, west coast and midwest....Obama is being viewed as a huge phony....the most extreme left wing candidate we have ever had to this point....but with a nice smile.
    Obama's "close 20 year relationship" with a bigot named Reverand Wright is being discussed at the water cooler by Americans every day more and more. And that reverand's "close relationship" with one of America's biggest racists, Louis Farrakhan, who was given a lifetime achievement award by Obama's church. (hello?). Birds of a Feather, folks.. Most of America is starting to figure it out. Especially Hillary fans and Jewish voters.
    Remember, this is the same nation that re-elected a very unpopular George Bush only 3 1/2 years ago during an unpopular war. Also remember that Kerry led Bush 51%-44% in July....and he lost. And now....at only 46%-44%....the Obama Fever Gap is wearing off fast.
    - John McCain will win this election.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 07/10/2008 1:10:01 PM

      Datzamore, you are wrong about this. Obama is not an extreme liberal. Obama is and has always been a moderate Democrat. He has some liberal ideas and some conservative ones, but overall he is a centrist. Read his book Audacity of Hope (written more than four years ago) and you will see that he is saying the exact same things today that he was saying then.

      The liberal media and the radical right have both wanted to paint Obama as a leftist liberal, each for their own reasons. They each were guilty of creating an image of Obama that simply is not accurate. Now, they are both screaming, the liberals saying "He's going centrist and abandoning the liberals!" and the right wingers saying "He's flip flopping by going moderate!"

      Both factions are wrong. Obama has not changed. Obama himself referred to this problem last fall, when he said that people were going to project all kinds of ideas onto him, and that some of them were going to be disappointed, because he can only be who he is.

      Obama is a moderate Democrat. Always was a moderate Democrat. End of story.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/10/2008 3:26:42 PM

        NATIONAL JOURNAL???s
        2007 Vote Ratings
        Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007
        By Brian Friel, Richard E. Cohen and Kirk Victor, National Journal
        © National Journal Group Inc.
        Thursday, Jan. 31, 2008

        Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.

        • Posted By: Nins @ 07/10/2008 5:44:58 PM

          I tired to access that article on the National Journal website, but it is for members only, so I was not able to find out what criteria they used to say that Obama is "the most liberal" Senator.

          Without knowing their criteria or the personal subjective slants of the authors, I can not assess this "rating." I will say though that just because some media group calls Obama liberal does not mean that Obama is a liberal.

  • Posted By: jhick81 @ 07/09/2008 3:23:21 PM

    Ugh...another article treating Hillary's collapse like it was a general election loss. Wake up people, she lost the primary, it's over, and it's not nearly as big of a deal as the Clintons, their supporters, and many in the media are making it out to be. Maybe some of the political junkies out there enjoy talking in circles about it all...just some. But I think the average American has moved on.

    Anybody else tired of the Clintons. It was getting nice when they took their little break from everything. I'm afraid it won't stay that way for long.

    "Reject a woman, and she will never let it go. One of the many defects of their kind. Also, weak arms."
    -Dwight Schrute, The Office

    • Posted By: Nins @ 07/10/2008 5:47:57 PM

      Dear Hick, I am not a Clinton supporter. Nevertheless, I think you comment about women was sexist.

      I hope some chick with big biceps takes you down someday when you make a crack about women having weak arm muscles. Guys like you deserve to get their noses rubbed in the mud.

  • Posted By: MarieMcD @ 07/09/2008 1:48:42 PM

    Hillary was not being crapped on in the media. Keep perpetuating that myth. She was losing and they were reporting it. Newsflash: She is still as of today, July 9th, expecting and hoping that something will happen so she is the nominee. She has released her supporters to undermine Obama in everway possible in order for him to loose, while she pretends to support him, hoping he wil lose and she can run againin 2012. She was giddy because she will do whatever she can to defeat him. Get real. Their political origins are the south. They know all about the dirty politics that work: Jesse Helms. They employed his tactics by using code race words like elitist. Out of Jesse's playbook. They will do anything, even try to look like they care, to improve their chances a money, power, and prestige. Nope, truth be told, HIlary won't be depressed because she doesn't believe she lost. She won't until Obama wins on November 4th. Until then, she'll urge her surrogates to present her as a victim of sexism. Journalists wives will guilt and bully them into spreading this delusional viewpoint, and she will hope for the worst.

  • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/09/2008 1:36:55 PM

    Don't worry Hillary Madonna is almost done with A-Rod I heard he has a special way with the older ladies.

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 06/19/2008 12:25:50 AM

    Suporters of Hillary wanted her "not to yield?"... on sexism preasures? What were they thinking! this lady was tough?
    She's been pushed around by powerfull men her whole life!
    By the way? Where'd she disappear to, any way?

  • Posted By: Floridave @ 06/17/2008 7:23:13 PM

    Hillary who? I don't remember anyone named Hillary...

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/17/2008 9:21:55 AM

    Almost one year has passed since Obama made his vow to the Planned Parenthood Action Fund that abortion would be the first priority of his administration.

    "The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act," Obama said in his July, 2007, speech to abortion advocates worried about the increase of pro-life legislation at the state level.

    The Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) is legislation Obama has co-sponsored along with 18 other senators that would annihilate every single state law limiting or regulating abortion, including the federal ban on partial birth abortion.

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/16/2008 11:47:43 AM

    SHARENEWS!

    BELOW IS MY RESPONSE TO YOUR REPLY TO MY POST. SEE ALL BELOW.

    re: Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/12/2008 6:39:00 PM
    Comment: This was posted on another site by a Clinton supporter. I thought that it was interesting;

    Good morning PUMAS!

    a couple things before I start printing flyers
    John McCain is starting to make me very nervous???Even George Wil-big GOPer-says a vote for McCain is a vote for war with IRAN-and make no mistake-JM had a call w/his fundraisers-he plans to over turn Roe V wade???this is not BO propaganda-Hill said it herself-repeatedly.

    and after reading thishttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

    I will NEVER vote for McCain. I hope I don???t upset too many PUMA???s with my opinion. I will fight for Hillary???but not for some guy whose only qualification is that he was tortured???off to print my flyers and get 25 people to this site.

    Have a great day!


    Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 19:11:03
    Comment: SJ, Hillary supporters have the right to explore the Puma option / site. Are Obama supporters like you THAT desperate to actually write a fake blog like you just did above and say it is something that lives on the www.blog.pumapac.org site? This is pathetic. Are Obama supporters that threatened about Obama not getting elected in the fall to resort to this tactic? Sad, very sad.: - (

    Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 6:54:27 PM
    Comment: HILLARY SUPPORTERS:

    Wednesday, June 11, 2008
    Democratic Disenfranchisement: The Final Report
    The Final Report: Democratic Disenfranchisement

    http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/06/democratic-disenfranchisement-final.html

    NOTE: Hillary Supporters, beware. Obama supperters are so desperate about this site ( www.blog.pumapac.org ; check it out) being available to us Hillary supporters that they are now starting to make up posts they say are on the above mentioned site; check out Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/12/2008 6:39:00 PM blog below. SJ, shame on you.

    MY REPY: *** YOU! How DARE you accuse me of fabricating information. I have been on these boards for quite a while and have never never considered posting something that cannot be verified. Are you and your other minions so angry and pathetic in your victim role that you are unable to comprehend that someone who supports Clinton would make the choice to actually think for themselves and not follow your idiotic logic of VOTING FOR MCCAIN TO PUNISH THE US GOVERNMENT, yes I read quite a few of the posts on PUMA, and ALL OF THE MEDIA OUTLETS FOR NOT MAKING SURE THAT CLINTON WON THE NOMINATION. PHUCKING SICK! I ACTUALLY DEFENDED YOUR STUPID A$$. NEVER AGAIN.

    DONE WITH YOU!

  • Posted By: NeoPoliticus @ 06/16/2008 4:48:00 AM

    Why would she be unwilling to admit defeat? Maybe because her run was derailed by a news media which ridiculed and belittled her at every opportunity? She was the only decent candidate the Democrats had. Thank God I'm a Republican. But if Obama wins, it won't be long until even the Dems regret their stupidity.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/09/2008 1:38:31 PM

      How can they regret the essence of their being?

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/18/2008 8:09:44 PM

      You can't be serious. Eight years of Bush - nothing could we worse. And if McCain wins, that's just another four more years. Enough is enough.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/15/2008 7:27:10 PM

    Quote of the Day........' My friends, we live in the greatest nation
    in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try
    to change it.' -- Barack Obama
    W.T.F.WHY CHANGE IT ......... ITS ALREADY THE GREATEST NATION !!!!! DUMB ASS OBAMA !

    • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/19/2008 2:40:33 PM

      WELL WE COULD START BY CHANGING THE SPOT THAT YOU ARE OCCUPYING.....AS WITH THE GOVERMENT NOW..........................ANY CHANGE THERE WOULD BE A GOOD ONE!

      KNUCKLEHEAD!!


      OBAMA '08 AFTER THE LOSERS GET OUT OF THE WAY!

  • Posted By: sher_bear21 @ 06/15/2008 2:57:44 PM

    I am a staunch Obama supporter, but the MSM needs to leave Hillary Clinton alone. This is getting really ridiculous. Hillary Clinton deserves to be recognized for what she has done for this party: mobilizing women voters like never before, drawing attention to the needs of the middle class, and for making Barack Obama a better GE contestant because she was and IS a fierce and tough competitor. There is no doubt in my mind that she may be depressed after coming so close, but that is not something that the media needs to gleefully anounce in a two-page essay. Mrs. Clinton is entitled to process this loss IN PRIVATE. She deserves a lot more empathy and respect than what continues to be directed at her, and she deserves to decompress from this hard-fought defeat on her own terms. Shame on the media ... once again!

    • Posted By: Nins @ 07/10/2008 5:51:31 PM

      I agree with you Sher. What the media is doing is idiotic, and not even a reflection of what Clinton herself is doing. Clinton has stepped up to the plate for the Democratic party, and she deserves to be praised. After a long ugly primary, she had the backbone to do a 180 degree turn, and show what a true gentlewoman she really is. She has my respect. And if Obama names her as VP I will stand up and cheer.

  • Posted By: California Gal @ 06/14/2008 1:01:01 AM

    How are you going to knock down Clinton in the next magazine? I can hardly wait to see what Obamaweek has to say about her vacation. Maybe you should do an arrow down for her vacation or maybe because she wasn't in the headlines or how about an arrow down for just breathing. Good riddance to your rag!

  • Posted By: aajulia @ 06/13/2008 5:24:57 PM

    Take a break with her family, Hillary may emerge later as a powerful figure in promoting universal health coverage. Obama, if wins the white house, will have a much tougher job as he is not as qualified as she is. He will need all the help for cleaning up Bush's mess. He will need her help.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/18/2008 8:12:21 PM

      I don't necessarily agree that Clinton was more qualified - but Clinton and Obama do see eye-to-eye on a lot of issues. She is a smart lady and we are definitely going to need her and a lot of other smart people to clean up eight years of complete and total incompetence by the Bush administration.

  • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/13/2008 11:42:51 AM

    WELL ! MY BLOGGER FRIENDS. I HAVE TO GET IN MY VIKING SHIP AND SAIL TO THE GROCERY STORE NOW.

    PLEASE ! KEEP YOUR FEET DRY.

    DAMN RAIN !

  • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/13/2008 11:40:03 AM

    NEWS FLASH !

    RON PAUL CALLS IT QUITS.

    HE SAID IT WAS TIME TO SWITCH GEARS.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/13/2008 9:02:15 AM

    this is to nins and sj and sharednews this a comment rebuttle ....a child has a soul at conception that is stated in the bible !! as for woman they can do what they want with thier bodies i don't care but it is the woman who does things like abortion and sleezy sex with many men that will have to pay in the end i was NOT refering to little girls that got molested or a woman who got raped or was in danger of dying for the pregnancy i was how ever speaking about all those sleezy women who don't use any method of birth control and get abortion on a regular basis they do exist and they are on these blogs if your offended then too bad but i will not compromise my thoughts on this horrible thing that goes on in this country watch a video of a late term abortion and see the poor child try and fight off the doctor thats trying to kill it the poor child actually tries to get away for the scaple and vacume device

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/18/2008 8:22:33 PM

      I am not going to question anyone's beliefs - abortion has always been a tough issue. Late term abortions are the extreme case of an already tough issue. If you assume the premise they are done to protect the life of the mother - then that means someone has to die - either the mother or the unborn child. My heart goes out to anyone who has to make that decision.

      What I am going to question is anyone who sterotypes those who seek abortions. That's just not fair. People are complex, their lives are complex, and the situations they find themselves in are complex. I am always astonished that it is often the most religious that are the first to judge. That is not what the bible teaches. If you are going to quote the bible and try to live by what it teaches, you cannot be selective in doing so.

      Shame on you.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/13/2008 7:03:09 PM

      Will Not, what you "will not" is will not listen. My post was about the fact that the very women who you brand as "sleazy" have themselves been molested as children. Women who are prosititues and women who are highly promiscuous have a phenomenally high incidence of being victims of child abuse and rape. And you, a Christian, are willing to throw the first stone?

      Shame on you.

      • Posted By: paulte @ 07/10/2008 3:01:28 PM

        People will always make excuses for their behavior. Women who were sexually abused when they were young are more likely to become lesbians than prostitiutes. Look at all the promiscuous girls in the Ivy League school's co-ed dorms. Were they all abused as youths? Get real!

    • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/13/2008 3:36:09 PM

      NO GOD!

      NO SOULS!

      BIBLE WRITTEN BY MEN(AND MANY SCRIPTURES EXCLUDED BY THOSE MEN)!

      ABORTION IS LEGAL AND NECESSARY!

      DID YOU HAPPEN TO NOTICE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY(AT LEAST THE LEFT WING) IS THE PARTY OF THE AETHEIST?

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/13/2008 7:06:58 PM

        You will notice that further down the page, LIKE IT IS is pretending to be a DEMOCRAT and a Clinton supporter. What, did you think we were stupid and wouldn't notice?

        YOU ARE AN OPERATION CHAOS PLANT AND A MCCAIN SUPPORTER.

        Go ahead and blog for McCain, but don't pretend to be a Democrat and a Clintonite.

        EVERYONE, absolutely everyone, has a soul. Even Hitler, even you, has a soul. Just some people are sick, that's all.

        • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/14/2008 12:48:11 PM

          Posted By: Nins @ 06/13/2008 19:06:58
          Comment: You will notice that further down the page, LIKE IT IS is pretending to be a DEMOCRAT and a Clinton supporter. What, did you think we were stupid and wouldn't notice?



          I AM NOT PRETENDING TO BE ANYONE, IN FACT I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT I AM A DEMOCRAT, BECAUSE I AM NOT!

          DEMOCRAT WALKING INTO VOTING BOOTH: "NOW I KNOW THE PARTY THAT MAKES UP MY MIND FOR ME STARTS WITH A LETTER D, DUHHHHHH!"

          I AM AN INDEPENDENT, WHICH MEAN I MAKE UP MY MIND AFTER FINDING OUT WHICH CANDIDATE FOLLOWS THE BELIEFS MOST CLOSELY TO MINE. WHAT A CRAZY IDEA! TO ACCTUALLY THINK ABOUT WHO, WHAT , AND WHY TO VOTE......WHOA, THAT ALONE MIGHT FRY YOUR LOCK-STEPPED BRAIN!


          VOTE FOR WHOEVER "SAY'S" THAT THEY WILL DO WHAT YOU WANT DONE, WHOEVER!



          I AM JUST THE GUY WHO HAS LISTENED TO TOO MANY DEMS. WHO THINK THAT IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A VAGINA, IT SHOULDN'T HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE TO HOLD MY TONGE ABOUT ALL THE MENTAL INCONSISTENCIES THAT BRINGS UP! AND OF COURSE THERE IS THE HUMOR PART!


          OBAM '08 FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU WISH!

          • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/14/2008 2:28:38 PM

            WALKING INTO A VOTING BOOTH AN INDEPENDENT VOTES FOR THE CANDIDATE THAT HE OR SHE HAS DECIDED TO VOTE FOR; SAME HOLDS TRUE FOR DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS.

            DEMOCRATS TEND TO VOTE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND REPUBLICANS TEND TO VOTE FOR REPUBLICAN PARTY.

            LIKE IT IS !

            KNOWS BEFORE HE WALKS INTO THE BOOTH WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO !

            INDEPENDENT IS JUST A WORD INDICATING OBJECTIVITY AND NO FIRM COMMITTMENT TO A PARTY.

            THE ABILITY TO CHANGE PARTIES EXISTS; USUALLY, THE CHOICE IS ALWAYS THE SAME.

            • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/14/2008 3:24:29 PM

              INDEPENDENT IS JUST A WORD INDICATING OBJECTIVITY AND NO FIRM COMMITTMENT TO A PARTY.




              BINGO!

              OBAMA '08 FEEDING OFF OF THE HILLARIOUS HILLARYS LOSS!

    • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/13/2008 10:58:04 AM

      WILL NOT VOTE OBAMA !

      IF YOU SAY SOMETHING IS IN THE BIBLE, THEN QUOTE THE PASSAGE.

      YOUR INTENSE TALK OF WOMEN AND SLEEZY, PUTS SOME DOUBTS ON YOUR MENTAL SITUATION.

      SEX IS IMPORTANT, ENJOYING IT IS NORMAL RESPONSE.

      I AGREE THAT KILLING BABIES IS WRONG, IN MANY CASES; BUT, IT MAY BE NECESSARY IN SOME SITUATIONS. I DON'T LIKE IT; BUT, I HAVE TO ACCEPT MEDICAL CONCERNS FOR THE MOTHERS SAFETY.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/13/2008 3:51:02 AM

    TO NEWSWEEK BLOGGERS (specifically if you are NOT an Obama supporter; although beware of a few Republican bloggers in democratic clothing in some cases):

    If you are a very good blogger that brings detailed info to the forefront about your candidate to support your candidate against an offense said about your candidate by a blogger or if you bring detailed info to the forefront about the opponents candidate (including source info: with links) to discredit their candidate they do not like it at all to the point of getting NASTY and resulting in you getting targeted to be e.g. a White Supremist. Racist. compared to Hitler. You name it!!

    MY SUGGESTION: Next time you get a degrading blog from The O TEAM or ANYONE else for that matter, ask them to give you an example of one of your blogs that confirms what they are saying as being racist, et al. Depending on the accused blogger, in most cases they wont be able to give us an example. That is my plan moving forward. In my case, all of my blogs I have never gotten into name calling, racist attacks, only opinions backed up with source info / links that (some) Obama supporters just go nuts when they see them (or they can be Republicans just doing the same under Democratic clothing.) Hard to tell most times but I have my thoughts / opinions / suspicions in that area as to specific bloggers that are part of that (group O Team effort) of bloggers that have non-flattering (to put it mildly) comments about non-Obama supporters. Just though I'd share. --Sharenews : - ).

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/18/2008 8:27:18 PM

      Sharenews, I think you make a great point. Although I will say there are some bloggers who post comments just to be hurtful. I see no sense in wasting time trying to be rational with people like that. In those cases, you have to call a spade a spade.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/13/2008 3:10:23 AM

    MESSAGE TO mtgmother. Try not to take these rantings to heart too much. I did moreso at first (I am hardened now) moving forward. You''ve gotta take it for what it is. Desparate attacks by some Obama supporters (or republicans in disguise as democ. bloggers).. What you said in your blog below is indeed the case. If you are a very good blogger that brings detailed info to the forefront about your candidate to support your candidate against an offense said about your candidate by a blogger or if you bring detailed info to the forefront about the opponents candidate (including source info: with links) to discredit their candidate they do not like it at all to the point of getting nasty and resulting in you getting targeted to be e.g. a White Supremist. Racist. Hitler. You name it. Next time you get a degrading blog from The O TEAM or anyone one else for that matter, ask them to give you an example of one of your blogs that confirms what they are saying, Depending on the accused blogger, in most cases they wont be able to give us an example. That is my plan moving forward. In my case, all of my blogs I have never gotten into name calling, racist attacks, only opinions backed up with source info / links that (some) Obama supporters just go nuts when they see them (or they can be Republicans just doing the same under Democratic clothing.) Hard to tell most times but I have my thoughts / opinions in that area as to specific bloggers that are part of that (group O Team effort) of bloggers that have non-flattering (to put it mildly, even at that level) comments about non-Obama supporters. Just though Id share. --Sharenews : - ).

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/13/2008 3:27:40 AM

      Good post Sharenews!

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/13/2008 3:39:43 AM

        Thanks, onepoker. It is a challenge to keep up with these crazy blogs but worth it. : - )

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/13/2008 1:43:15 AM

    MtgMother, I think you hit the nail on the head about O Team being in cahoots with McCain. But you never know, he might be a real Obama supporter. But he does not adhere to the values that Obama is espousing.

    I'm an Obama supporter. And I had no love lost for Hillary during the primaries. But once Obama talked her up the night he won, I decided to follow his lead, be gracious and positive and praise Clinton for what she does well. A real Obama supporter will stick with this, even if they don't personally like Hillary. Any Obama supporter who is saying nasty things about Hillary is hurting Obama.

    Here is how I am going to solve the problem of who is a McCain Operation Chaos plant, and who are real bloggers.


    NOW HEAR THIS:

    From now on, any Obama supporter who disrespects Hillary Clinton will automatically be considered a McCain imposter. If you talk stink about Hillary, we will ride you about how you are a fake. So if you really support Obama, shut up and stop shooting yourself in the foot.

    • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/13/2008 3:49:24 PM

      NOW HEAR THIS:

      From now on, any Obama supporter who disrespects Hillary Clinton will automatically be considered a McCain imposter.


      NOW HEAR THIS: I COULD CARE LESS WHAT YOU BELIEVE ME TO BE, I HAVE TO ENJOY THE PAYBACK FOR HAVING BEEN HELP CAPTIVE BY THE IDIOTIC CLINTON MACHINE.

      HELP HER PAY BACK HER DEBT WHEN SHE AND EVERYONE ELSE KNEW IT WAS ALL OVER (EXCEPT THE CRYING, AND MUCH OF THAT! LOL). NO WAY!

      CONSPIRACYS, HOLY CRAP!


      IF YOU WANT TO GO ON SUICIDE WATCH AND HOLD THESE LOSERS HANDS THROUGH ALL THE ACCUSATIONS OF MISOGONY AND BIAS BE MY GUEST!

      BUT UNLESS THIS COUNTRY TURNED INTO A COMMUNIST COUNTRY WHILE I WAS ASLEEP LAST NIGHT, I BELIEVE I WILL CONTINUE TO ENJOY THE FRUITS OF BEING ON THE WINNING SIDE!

      P.S. ALSO, UNLESS THE POLLS ARE ABSURDLY OFF THE MARK, THOSE WHO ARE SWTCHING TO MCAIN ARE GOING TO GET MORE OF THE SAME..............LOSING! THAT, OF COURSE WOULD BE SWEETER YET!


      OBAMA '08 RIDING THE WAVE OF SUICIDAL HRC VOTERS TO THE OVAL OFFICE!

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/13/2008 7:10:29 PM

        "Like It Is" pretends at different times to be an Obama supporter, a Clinton supporter, and a pro-Life Democrat hater. Will the real blogger please stand up? Oh, yeah, that one over there, holding the McCain sign.

        Right.

        And you are not on the winning side. You change sides every 20 minutes. You are a loser on the losing side, and part of Operation Chaos.

        • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/17/2008 6:39:17 PM

          Posted By: Nins @ 06/13/2008 19:10:29
          Comment: "Like It Is" pretends at different times to be an Obama supporter, a Clinton supporter, and a pro-Life Democrat hater.



          NINNI, AS I LIKE TO REFER TO HER, IS AS FAR OUT IN WHATEVER FIELD(IF I SAID LEFT, SHE WOULD ACCUSE ME OF BEING A REPUBLICAN)!

          LISTEN UP SO I CAN GET IT STRAIGHT IN YOU WAY OVER TAXED HEAD!

          I AM AN INDEPENDENT(AS WELL AS NOT BEING A DEPENDENT ON SOCIETY, NEVER A FOOD STAMP OR AN UNEMPLOYMENT CHECK OR EVEN WELFARE)


          I AM PRO ABORTION(NOT PROCHOICE, THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY BABIES BEING BORN TO PEOPLE WAY TOO STUPID TO RAISE THEM AND THEREFORE WE(TAXPAYERS) GET TO TAKE CARE OF THAT CHORE WITH MONIES FOR EVERYTHING FROM THE BIRTH TO THE PRISON!)

          I AM ALSO A DEVOTE AETHIEST, WHO FINDS THE UTMOST HUMOR IN ALL THE RIDICULOUS REFERENCES TO GOD AND THE BIBLE!

          NOW BACK TO "NINNI", SHE ADMITS A LIFE LONG AFFILIATION WITH THE GOP AND USING HER OWN LOGIC I MUST FIGURE THAT SHE IS A REPUBLICAN PLANT! (JUST KIDDING, I'M NOT A PSYCHO)

          THE TROUBLING ISSUE THAT "NINNI" HAS WITH ME IS THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN BURPING THE HILLARETTES AFTER THEIR TRAMATIC LOSS AND IN FACT AM TAKING MUCH JOY IN ALL THE WORTHLESS THREATS.

          LIKE IT OR DON'T LIKE IT, I'LL BET THAT YOU KNOW THAT I CANNOT BE CONVICED THAT I SHOULD ACT AS A GRIEF CONSELOR!

          BUT NO, "NINNI" BELIEVES THAT MORE THREATS OR IN THIS CASE LIES WILL MAKE ME SEE THINGS HER DEMENTED WAY.................NOT HAPPENING!

          INDEPENDENT: ABLE TO MAKE UP MY OWN MIND ON ALL ISSUES!



          IN THIS CASE: OBAMA '08 FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU NEED TO ! LOL!

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/13/2008 1:13:33 AM

    It has been the stated goal of the religious right to appoint conservative judges to overturn Roe vs. Wade for years. Bush is on board with this plan. Every single judge that Bush appointed to every single Federal bench that came open during his tenure was a right wing Christian conservative. The Democrats were stymied when the GOP controlled congress, and Bush got to appoint two right wing Supreme Court Justices.

    First Bush appointed John Roberts to replace Sandra Day O'Connor when she stepped down. When Chief Justice Wm. Rehnquist died in 2005, Bush appointed Roberts as Chief Justice, and then filled O'Connor's empty chair with Samuel Alito. Both Roberts and Alito are Catholic, and both are outspoken against abortion.

    Bush has appointed two of the nine Justices, including the Chief Justice. The current Supreme Court has been sharply divided on a number of high profile issues, including abortion rights, affirmative action, eminent domain, gay rights, the separation of church and state, sovereign immunity, and states' rights. The number of close votes in cases involving these areas suggests that a change of one or two key justices could completely shift the thinking of the Court on such issues.

    Right now there are four Justices who are elderly and will soon either retire or die. The next President will get to appoint at least two new Justices. If the next President is McCain, those two will both be conservative right wing Christians. McCain has publicly PROMISED to do this, and explicitly said that his goal is to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

    Most Americans, even most Republicans, value the separation of church and state. That clause is in our Constitution to protect us from exactly what is going on in America today! Allowing any religious group (especially a radical one) to control the interpretation and application of our laws in the highest court in the land is NOT democratic. Nor is it wise.


    I don't care if you are a disappointed Hillary supporter or an undecided Independent or a life-long Republican or are pro-Obama. ANYONE, regardless of stripe, needs to vote against a candidate who had declared his intention of appointing partisan judges. Judges are supposed to be impartial. That is the basis of our legal system. Without that, you might as well live in a dictatorship, without recourse to law.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/18/2008 8:38:21 PM

      One interesting point is whether you are for or against abortion, Roe vs. Wade will eventually become "bad law" and require revision. That is because the court created different categories throughout a pregnancy based on the viability of the fetus and the risk to the mother and applied different standards to each of those categories. Those categories were based in part on medical science. Because medicine has improved so much since the original decision, those categories, which were more or less mutually exclusive at the time of the decision, now overlap.

      So the question really isn't about overturning Roe vs. Wade - that is going to eventually happen regardless of who is on the Supreme Court - the real question is what will it be replaced with.

    • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/13/2008 7:14:55 PM

      Nins you make a good point on judges being impartial. But if a judge is a far left extremists.... can that be considered impartial? Everyone is going to have his/her view on different topics for that is human nature. But extremism goes to both ends. Lets use this last bit about these enemy combatants being afforded rights as US citizens as an example. Those types of cases have always been out of judges' jurisdiction and in the hands of military and the President as commander in chief. Now you have a set of judges who want to give the same rights to the people from foreing countries trying to kill us. Sorry but that just doesn't make sense at all. If the President had any balls he would put these judges back in their places. Problem is that instead of judges enforcing laws, they have taken upon themselves the role of legislature in determining laws, rewriting laws, etc... Lets just talk about the economy of it all. We are already having financial trouble with oil and everything else. How much of our tax payer dollars are going to go to the defense of these terrorists we have captured? Yes, that is a great deal of money. The enemy is laughing at us as we bankrupt ourselves. Now at the trial, are they going to demand that the military troops that captured them (on the battlefield) appear? Now if they have the same rights as US citizens... did the troops read the miranda rights? (NO). The list goes on and on... and is quite rediculous. This liberal decision only endangers our troops more, esp if they were going to act like police officers..... If it were me, I'd be taking NO PIRSONERS because of our judges stupidity. Anyway, that is just an example. You are right that judges need to be impartial, but they need to do their job and let others do theirs.... They should be pretty much down the middle. Not left, not right. Any arguement otherwise makes your original arguement hypocritical

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/13/2008 7:32:09 PM

        Hi, Marine, I agree with you that judges should be impartial. I did not say that I thought they should be left wing to balance the right wing, I said they should be impartial. And I mean it. Either holding centrist views themselves, or mature and dispassionate enough to suspend their personal agendas when judging cases. Unlike Justices Scalia, Roberts and Alito, who openly discuss their personal/religious views and use the Supreme court as a platform to further their political agenda. Could or would the left wing do this, given the chance? Probably so. That's human nature. But the Constitution was written to protect us form the bad, out of control parts of human nature.

        As to what it will cost to bring the Guantanamo detainees to trial, well, sure, it will be expensive. But considering many of them have already been captive for seven years, probably WAY CHEAPER than it would have been if we had followed the Geneva Convention, International Law and US Law and given them fair trials in the first place.

        What I agree with you about most is that the terrorists are probably laughing themselves to sleep every night, watching our economy go down the drain while Geo. W Bush ineffectually blunders his way through these international matters that are so far above his head.

        I am a Republican. I wish the GOP had a leader to get us out of this mess, someone I really could want to vote for. I think McCain is more of Bush, and we can't afford that. So I'm voting Democrat for President for the first time in 30 years.

        • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/17/2008 6:52:17 PM

          YO "NINNI" I HATE TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE, BUT THE "SUPREMES" ONLY INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION AND EVEN IF THEIR VERDICS SEEM BIASED, THEY HAVE TO WRITE A REASONABLE REASON IN TERMS OF CONSTITUTIONAL WORDING FOR THEIR VOTES!


          OBAMA '08 FEELIN' SO GREAT!

  • Posted By: Caroline McKee @ 06/13/2008 12:24:02 AM

    It is never easy to be a loser but it is certainly easier knowing that you lost with graciousness and dignity on your side. Neither Clinton can claim that. As for Hillary's Sat. nt. exit speech...it can only warrant so much praise because her Tues. night performance was so despicable!

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 7:03:12 PM

    John McCain is in a Town Hall meeting in New York City Live right now. Where's Obama?

    • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/12/2008 9:10:22 PM

      Ummmm, in a town hall meeting in Kaukauna, Wisconsin. What did I win?? Don't understand the point of your question....

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 10:08:13 PM

        I heard recently that McCain asked Obama to participate in 10 Town meetings and this was the first one (that I know of) that took place today. It would be great to have them do at least 5 Town mtgs together to see them in action on an interactive setting with the audience. It is probably a case of trying to coordinate their schedules to jive. I hope they can coordinate their schedules as it would be great to watch.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 6:54:27 PM

    HILLARY SUPPORTERS:

    Wednesday, June 11, 2008
    Democratic Disenfranchisement: The Final Report
    The Final Report: Democratic Disenfranchisement

    http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/06/democratic-disenfranchisement-final.html

    NOTE: Hillary Supporters, beware. Obama supperters are so desperate about this site ( www.blog.pumapac.org ; check it out) being available to us Hillary supporters that they are now starting to make up posts they say are on the above mentioned site; check out Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/12/2008 6:39:00 PM blog below. SJ, shame on you.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/18/2008 9:07:13 PM


      I'm an Obama supporter and I read the article. I thought it was pretty interesting and I agreed with some of what it said. I definitely concur that cacuses should be eliminated. I was not in complete agreement with some of the statements on proportonal delegate assignment. I think they missed the bigger question. If the purpose of a primary is for the Democrat Party to select its nominee for President, why would you even allow Republicans and Independents to vote in the primary? After all, they are not members of the Party. The answer is that the state legislatures determine the primary rules, not the DNC. Some of the "injustices" refereneced in the article are an attempt by the DNC to prevent Republicans from skewing primary results. While you can certianly debate the methods used to do this, I believe the rational behind the effort has merit.

      I absolutely agree with the general position of the article that the Democrat primary process needs improvement. Of course, all you have to do is look at the continuing conflict between Clinton and Obama supporters to see that.

      What I cannot agree with is extending the points the article makes into an argument that Clinton should have been the nominee and Obama stole the nomination. Both candidates understood how the nomination process worked - the fact that Obama's campaign did a better job of analyzing the complexities of the process and used it to their advantage - especially with respect to the cacuses - does not invalidate his nomination in any way. You play the game by the rules as they are at the time the game is started. You don't wait until the game is over, realize that you lost, then complain the rules weren't fair.

      I have no doubt that Clinton and her campaign team cleary understood the primary process and all its intricacies. After all, she was the more experienced politican. When the campaigning started, as the front-runner, she thought those intricacies (or inequities, depending on your viewpoint) would benefit her. Turns out she was wrong. But that doesn't mean the playing field wasn't fair.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 6:39:26 PM

    SJ, point me to the blogger willnotvote 's original posting that you copied into your blog below ( Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/12/2008 11:56:36 AM ) . I can't find it. I'd like to read through the thread of discussion. Thanks.

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/12/2008 6:39:00 PM

    This was posted on another site by a Clinton supporter. I thought that it was interesting;

    Good morning PUMAS!

    a couple things before I start printing flyers
    John McCain is starting to make me very nervous???Even George Wil-big GOPer-says a vote for McCain is a vote for war with IRAN-and make no mistake-JM had a call w/his fundraisers-he plans to over turn Roe V wade???this is not BO propaganda-Hill said it herself-repeatedly.

    and after reading thishttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

    I will NEVER vote for McCain. I hope I don???t upset too many PUMA???s with my opinion. I will fight for Hillary???but not for some guy whose only qualification is that he was tortured???off to print my flyers and get 25 people to this site.

    Have a great day!

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 7:11:03 PM

      SJ, Hillary supporters have the right to explore the Puma option / site. Are Obama supporters like you THAT desperate to actually write a fake blog like you just did above and say it is something that lives on the www.blog.pumapac.org site? This is pathetic. Are Obama supporters that threatened about Obama not getting elected in the fall to resort to this tactic? Sad, very sad.: - (

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 5:48:47 PM

    FOR HILLARY SUPPORTERS: http://blog.pumapac.org/

  • Posted By: The "O" Team @ 06/12/2008 3:34:06 PM

    Comment: As mentioned before "SHARENEWS" is a MC'CAINT staffer who gets his "source information" from White-Supremacy Sites... This person is not to be trusted...

    Through out this election campaign you can and will hear jerks such as "Sharenews" making outlandish comments and speaking of "Videos on YOUTUBE" that, DO NOT EXIST... Let's get these agent-provocateurs off of Newsweek.com...

    We constantly have to have the Democratic process, HIJACKED by PAID-BLOGGERS...

    "I'm going to go and tell FOX news" ... "I'm going to go tell Newsweek"... "I'm going to go tell my MAMMY"...

    NEWS FLASH THERE TROUBLE MAKER... GO TELL SOMEONE WHO CARES TO HEAR YOUR RACIST IGNORANCE...

    NEWSWEEK SHOULD BAN THIS PERSON AND THEIR IP ADDRESS BECAUSE SHE, HAS IN ESSENCE, MAKE THREATS OF EXTORTION AGAINST THIS VERY BLOG...

    "Dear Newsweek staff, could you please BAN SHARENEWS for ABUSIVE COMMENTS"??? SHE HAS BASHED NUMEROUS PEOPLE ON THIS SITE AND FAILED TO PROMOTE HONEST AND THOUGHT PROVOKING COMMUNICATION...

    SHARENEWS NEEDS TO START HER OWN "KKK" BLOG FOR THE PEOPLE OF LIKE INTEREST...

    I'm going to... I will go and... I don't like... They are being abusive... and these are the type of anal-retentive comments from some mindless jerk who "originally" claimed to support, "THE LOSER CANDIDATE THAT WILL REMAIN NAMELESS" and now this woman is carelessly tossing around unsubstantiated and baseless claims ABOUT PRESIDENT-ELECT, BARACK H. OBAMA...

    I am going to tell:)

    Can you tell that, this was the kid in school who always got beat up (I'm not advocating domestic violence against women)...

    The funny thing is, once MR. OBAMA takes Office, most of the claims and communications of "SHARENEWS" would be determined as TERRORISTS THREATS...

    DEAR NEWSWEEK, WOULD YOU PLEASE BAN THE HATE-MONGER KNOWN AS sharenews...

    OBAMA IN '08:)

    Thank you and GOD Bless America...

  • Posted By: The "O" Team @ 06/12/2008 3:26:32 PM

    Comment: HILLARY SUPPORTERS:

    Just thought I'd bring you up to date on a new Documentary being made about HILLARY s political record and background in general that will be coming out in the fall. The people creating this documentary about the Clintons are the same ones that made a documentary released in January about Hillary Clinton I hear. One of the names I have who is involved is creating this documentary is David Bossie. You can google him. He has said that given the MainStreamMedia has gone out of their way of NOT vetting Hillary that they were creating a documentary that will present all US citizens with hard facts about Hillary and his political and personal life along the way to making it to where he is now, running for US President. They have said that it will not be based on innuendos and that what they document will be supported with facts. So that is good. Maybe this will give us what we need which is answers to alot of questions a good many 18 million people have about questions about his life that have not been thoroughly answered for many people that fall into the segment not comfortable for voting for Hillary. It should be interesting as it is supposed to be THE FACTS with PROVEN resources and not a smear campaign. Maybe this will put our fears to rest about Hillary in 2020. Or maybe it might reinforce many concerns that this segment of voters have about her. Guess we will see when this documentary comes out in Sept/Oct timeframe. Just thought you might want to be aware of this.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 7:18:36 PM

      Hillary Supporters: A Hillary documentary was already made and released in January. Now it is Obamas turn. The documentary was talked about on CNN last week with David Bossie. Beware of TRICKS that some Obama supporters will resort to (like substituing Obama's name with Hillarys name in the blog I origianlly wrote below. Kind of pathetic, I know. But it is what it s.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 7:30:02 PM

        So just substitute Hillary with Obama in the O Team blog above and you get the real message I posted earlier (below). The David Bossie documentary is planned for release in the fall. Actually if the O Team was thinking s/he would have substituted Obama with McCain given he is his real competition in the GE. Crazy, I know.

  • Posted By: The "O" Team @ 06/12/2008 2:53:56 PM

    I DO IN FACT THINK THAT MC'CAINT WAS WORKING FOR THE MARXIST CHINESE... DID YOU HEAR THAT TAPED INTERROGATION OF HIM, WHILE A PRISONER IN VIETNAM??? - YOUTUBE VIDEO

    MC'CAINT HAD DENOUNCED AMERICA FOR, "IT'S IMPERIALISTIC WAR MONGERING AND AGGRESSION AGAINST THE PEACEFUL PEOPLE OF VIETNAM"...

    BOY THAT MC'CAINT IS A REAL TRAITOR... THE TRAITOROUS "MARXIST INTERROGATION TAPE" OF JOHN MC'CAINT IS ON YOUTUBE...

    EVERY ONE SHOULD WATCH THAT SLIMY JOHNNY-BABY MC'CAINT, JUST TOTALLY TRASH THIS COUNTRY,,, AND WHY... JUST SO HE COULD SPECIAL TREATMENT, BETTER THAN ANY P.O.W. THAT HAD BEEN CAPTURED BY THE VIETNAMESE...

    JOHN MC'CAINT IS A TRAITOROUS-DOG, WHO SHOULD BE TRIED AS A "WAR CRIMINAL"... THAT'S WHY HE'S BEEN ACTING SO HUMBLE... MC'CAINT KNOW THAT IF THE TRUTH COMES OUT... THE WORLD WILL REALLY SEE HOW MUCH OF A "BENEDICT ARNOLD", "JOHN MC'CAINT" REALLY IS...

    EVEN "RetiredMarine" know that MC'CAINT IS A LYING TRAITOROUS-DOG... THERE ARE ONLY TWO WAYS THAT THE POW'S WERE RELEASED: BY DEATH, BY BEING A TRAITOROUS-DOG AND SOME, AT THE END OF THE WAR...

    MY FATHER WAS THERE AS WELL AS RetiredMarine and they both KNOW FOR A FACT THAT, MC'CAINT IS A TRAITOR...

    • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/13/2008 8:50:17 AM

      RetiredMarine was in High School when the Vietnam War ended. My conflicts were Grenada, Beruit, Bosnia and both Gulf wars so please don't put words in my mouth. What I know of Hanoi Hilton is that the POW's there were mistreated, tortured, etc. From Vets I have spoken with who were there, they tried to live up to the Code of conduct, but many did indeed say stupid things to stop the pain. Stands to reason if you think logically about it. A confession under duress really isn't a confession.... Look at the scrutiny we give in todays society when we deprive a POW of sleep. Our society now calls that "Torture". But no one goes to bat for our own people when they legitimately are tortured. Bottom line, what happened there, some of us will never know and probably couldn't fathom. I do know that much of the suffering was increased due to American citizens own efforts (similar to what is happening today) with the lack of support, visits by people like Jane Fonda (then), supposed visits by people like Sean Penn (in the most recent war) who spread lies to further the propoganda. So who do you believe? I protected McCain and Clinton in their Iraq visit and got to speak with McCain a little. He seemed down to earth then. Currently I don't agree with everything he stands for, but no one is going to agree with everything... (Hell my wife and I don't agree on many things...) But the decision cannot be based on one or two issues. The decisions for the country need to be based on the overall (we have to take the good with the bad). I see Obama touting extreme leftist (even Marxist) views. Didn't he (and his wife) use the terms: "require", "demand", "not give you the choice" and other words to that effect about following his plans. Sorry, but I didn't fight in several conflicts to allow a President to become a dictator and try to take away our fundamental right to make choices. So, McCain may not be perfect, but it is our own fault for not chosing a better candidate. You have to go with the overall best for the country. I wish Obama had better ideas and were more towards the middle, but I feel he is too far to the left.

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/13/2008 9:13:20 AM

        I'M WITH YOU RETIRED MARINE SEMPER FI ! I THINK THAT THIS COUNTRY IS GIVING TOO MANY RIGHTS TO OUR ENEMIES JUST LOOK WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY WITH THE SUPREME COURT THE MILITARY SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE ALL MEANS TO GET INFORMATION OUT OF THE CAPTIVES WE HOLD WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT STANDS WITH THE GENEVA CONV. RULES OF WAR IF USING A BATTERYON A CAPTIVE SAVES 1 MARINES LIVE THE N I JUST GOT ONE THING TO SAY RED IS POSITIVE AND BLACK IS NEGITIVE !!!!!

        • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/13/2008 11:04:48 AM

          A VERY BAD MAN KIDNAPPD A WOMAN FROM HER HOME BY THREATENING HER CHILDREN BY SHOOTING AT THEIR FEET. THE MAN DID HIS SEX CRIMES WITH THE WOMAN AND THEN KILLED HER.

          I HELPED TO SEARCH FOR THIS WOMAN.

          I SAID TO OTHER SEARCHERS THAT IF I HAD THE BAD GUY I WOULD TORTURE HIM; ANYTHING TO FIND THIS WOMAN VICTIM.

          I MEANT IT !

          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

          WOULD YOU WANT TO BE TORTURED BY THE ENEMY ?

          WAR IS INDEED H E L L !

          • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/13/2008 7:23:59 PM

            Am not advocating torture. But no one fights for US servicemen rights when they are tortured, yet everyone blows things out of perportion on something as silly as sleep depravation or dogs scaring a prisoner. Police officers use these tactics all of the time. What my original post was getting at is that you can't really judge a man who endured Hanoi Hilton unless you were right there with him. many POW's broke under torture. At least he had the balls to serve.

            • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/14/2008 2:36:27 PM

              IT DOES NOT TAKE BALLS TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY.

              COMMITTMENT TO YOUR COUNTRY, DESIRE TO GET AWAY FROM HOME, WANTING A MILITARY CAREER, ETC.

              WHEN THEIR IS A MILITARY DRAFT, THE FEAR OF GOING TO JAIL IS A GREAT MOTIVATOR FOR ENLISTING.

              GOING TO WAR IS A VERY STUPID THING TO DO; USUALLY, DONE FOR COUNTRY.

              KILL OR BE KILLED RESULTS IN MANY WOUNDS LONG AFTER THE SURVIVORS RETURN HOME.

              • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/15/2008 7:21:02 PM

                WHEN I ENLISTED I DID NOT SAY IT WAS TO DIE FOR MY COUNTRY BUT SAID I WOULD DAMN SURE KILL FOR IT !!!

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/12/2008 11:56:36 AM

    Just in case any of you missed this extremely insightful post from one of our more intelligent posters, here it is.

    Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/11/2008 21:22:37
    Comment: HILLARY IS THE ONLY REASON THAT ABORTION ARE LEGAL !!!!!!! WE CAN'T HAVE ANY MORE LIKE HER GEEZE GOD HELP US !!

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 6:35:27 PM

      SJ, point me to the original post willnotvoteobama made the statement you copied above. I'd like to read through the thread of discussion. Thanks.

    • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/12/2008 12:04:40 PM

      I BELIEVE WHAT WAS MENT IS THAT HILLARY IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY ABORTION SHOULD BE LEGAL! LOL, LOL, LOL!



      OBAMA '08 FEELIN' SOOOO GREAT!

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/14/2008 12:16:23 AM

        Yeah, I get get what you meant. . But Im also annoyed with bloggers that pick on mispellings instead of answering with a real response, especially when it is obvious what is being said even if mispellings. But I think you are right. If you are a Hillerie supporter you know how to spell her name! LOL, Hillary 2012!!

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/13/2008 7:17:55 PM

        This blogger is a Honm McCain suporter who says nasty things about Clinton to try and drive a wedge betewwn the Democrats. Look above and see where he is ranting about how ALL Democrats are evil baby killers. He is clearly a right wing Republican, and not an Obama supporter.

        I think it would be great if he got on here and blogged hie heart out in favor of McCain. But to spread lies, deceit and nasty rumors is beneath contempt.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/12/2008 10:48:22 AM

    TO ZAG ZIG OR ZIG ZAGNOT ME PAL I HAVE THIS THING CALLED A BUDGET IF I MAKE MORE I SAVE AND SPEND MORE IF I MAKE LESS I SAVE AND SPEND LESS MY FAMILY DON'T GO WITHOUT AND MY BANK ACCOUNT GROWS EVERY YEAR I DO THE SAVING JUST IN CASE OF THINGS GOING BAD AND NOW THEY ARE IF OBAMA GETS IN I WILL PULL ALL MY CASH OUT OF THE BANKING SYSTEM AND BUY GOLD/ SILVER ECT, BECAUSE AFTER ABOUT 6MTS WHEN THE INVESTORS IN THIS COUNTRY PULL OUT IT WILL TURN BAD AND ME AND MINE WILL FAIR THE STORM OF THE OBAMA MESS JUST FINE P.S. WATCH YOUR 401K $$ IT WILL GO FAST BECAUSE OF THE CAPITAL GAINS TAX HE PUTS INTO EFFECT IF YOU HAVE BEEN SAVING FOR THE LAST 8YRS IN 401K THEN CHANCES ARE YOU HAVE OVER 100K IN THERE BUT WITH HIS TAX 27% ON CAPITAL GAINS YOUR $$ IS IN HIS SITES HOPE YOU DON'T MIND SHARING ALL YOU HAVE SAVED BECAUSE HE WILL GIVE IT ALL AWAY P.P.S. HIS $$ WILL BE FINE BECAUSE HIS ARE SAFE IN SHELTERS

    • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/12/2008 11:50:34 AM

      JUST LIKE THE INVESTORS IN EUROPE DROPPED OUT , SINCE THEIR CAP.AINS ARE ABOUT TWICE WHAT OUR ARE. IT IS JUST LIKE BEN STEIN SAID LAST NIGHT "THE 300,000 HIGHEST EARNING PEOPLE IN THE U.S. MAKE MORE THAN THE LOWER 200 MILLION PEOPLE, WE CAN AFFORD TO GIVE MUCH MORE THAN WE DO" AS WELL AS WHAT WARREN BUFFET(RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD) SAID " MY SECRETARY PAYS HIGHER TAXES ON HER 60K INCOME THAN I PAY ON HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE LAW"

      CHANGE, SHE IS ACOMIN'!


      OBAMA '08 FEELS SO GREAT

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 7:21:31 AM

    HILLARY SUPPORTERS:

    Just thought I'd bring you up to date on a new Documentary being made about the OBAMAs (Barack and Michelle) and Barack's political record and his and Michelle's background in general that will be coming out in the fall. The people creating this documentary about the Obamas are the same ones that made a documentary released in January about Hillary Clinton I hear. One of the names I have who is involved is creating this documentary is David Bossie. You can google him. He has said that given the MainStreamMedia has gone out of their way of NOT vetting Obama that they were creating a documentary that will present all US citizens with hard facts about Obama and his political and personal life along the way to making it to where he is now, running for US President. They have said that it will not be based on innuendos and that what they document will be supported with facts. So that is good. Maybe this will give us what we need which is answers to alot of questions a good many 18 million people have about questions about his life that have not been thoroughly answered for many people that fall into the segment not comfortable for voting for Barack Obama. It should be interesting as it is supposed to be THE FACTS with PROVEN resources and not a smear campaign. Maybe this will put our fears to rest about Obama in the fall. Or maybe it might reinforce many concerns that this segment of voters have about him. Guess we will see when this documentary comes out in Sept/Oct timeframe. Just thought you might want to be aware of this.

  • Posted By: crat3 @ 06/11/2008 7:49:49 PM

    Sen. Clinton did not lose fair and square. Obama did not win fair and square. Obama clinched a stolen nomination with FL and MI shenanigans, and de facto Obama surrogate House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rigged the nomination for Obama.

    Sen. Clinton supporters will not surrender in "unity" to the cult powers of Obama. Sen. Clinton supporters will campaign and vote for McCain in swing states Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Florida. Obama's losing any two of these swing states means he will crash and burn in November. In 2012, Sen. Clinton will be the presidential candidate to get America back on track.

    • Posted By: The "O" Team @ 06/12/2008 1:05:04 PM

      That's how we know that you aren't a HILLBILLarY Supporter... Because she has in fact "surrendered" her divisive campaign and she asked her, "supporters" to heal the party from all of her "shinanegans"... I DO IN FACT THINK THAT MC'CAINT WAS WORKING FOR THE MARXIST CHINESE... DID YOU HEAR THAT TAPED INTERROGATION OF HIM, WHILE A PRISONER IN VIETNAM???

      MC'CAINT HAD DENOUNCED AMERICA FOR, "IT'S IMPERIALISTIC WAR MONGERING AND AGRESSION AGAINST THE PEACEFUL PEOPLE OF VIETNAM"...

      BOY THAT MC'CAINT IS A REAL TRAITOR... THE TRAITOROUS "MARXIST INTERROGATION TAPE" OF JOHN MC'CAINT IS ON YOUTUBE...

      EVERY ONE SHOULD WATCH THAT SLIMEY JOHNNY-BABY MC'CAINT, JUST TOTALLY TRASH THIS COUNTRY,,, AND WHY... JUST SO HE COULD SPECIAL TREATMENT, BETTER THAN ANY P.O.W. THAT HAD BEEN CAPTURED BY THE VIETNAMESE...

      JOHN MC'CAINT IS A TRAITOROUS-DOG, WHO SHOULD BE TRIED AS A "WAR CRIMINAL"... THAT'S WHY HE'S BEEN ACTING SO HUMBLE... MC'CAINT KNOW THAT IF THE TRUTH COMES OUT... THE WORLD WIL REALLY SEE HOW MUCH OF A "BENEDICT ARNOLD", "JOHN MC'CAINT" REALLY IS...

      EVEN "RetiredMarine" know that MC'CAINT IS A LYING TRAITOROUS-DOG... THERE ARE ONLY TWO WAYS THAT THE POW'S WERE RELEASED: BY DEATH, BY BEING A TRAITOROUS-DOG AND SOME, AT THE END OF THE WAR...

      MY FATHER WAS THERE AS WELL AS RetiredMarine and they both KNOW FOR A FACT THAT, MC'CAINT IS A TRAITOR...

    • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/12/2008 11:34:37 AM

      WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!



      OBAMA '08

    • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/12/2008 8:30:06 AM

      Great! Maybe America will wake up and see just how Marxist his views really are.

      When he first came out I too thought the guy might just be what America needs... Then I actually started paying attention to what he was saying rather than how "flowerly" he put things....

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/12/2008 2:17:18 AM

      GREAT!!!

      We finally stuck it to the man (and, yes, I do mean Hillary)

      LOL

      Now all we have to do is get welfare, free homes, free college, and Caucasion's jobs

      Muuuuhahahahahaha!

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/11/2008 9:36:53 PM

      welcome to the wonderful world of politics just so you know they are all crooks we just get to pick the one who will steal less or lie more which ever we like the most the PEOPLE WHO RUN THE election can put dumb or dumber on the ballot and we would get the same results !!! WAKE UP !!!

    • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/11/2008 8:39:26 PM

      WELCOME ! ONE AND ALL TO THE CRAP3 CHANNEL.

      YES ! SIT BACK AND RELAX THE SHOW ISABOUT TO START.

      LISTEN TO THE ASININE RHETERIC OF A REPUBLICAN SPY; SPREWING FORTH LIES, AS IF THEY WERE HILLARY SUPPORTERS.

      AND NOW I GIVE YOU CRAP3.

  • Posted By: pugs @ 06/11/2008 7:20:17 PM

    Be Patient Hilary, Obama will never win without you and we can either wait until 2012 or if he does pick you for VP hey the Dems will have a president for the next 16 years Yayy!!!

    • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/11/2008 8:41:58 PM

      NOTICE !

      HILLARY IS SPELLED HILARY BY A SUPPORTER ?

      HOW MUCH OF A SUPPORTER ARE YOU PUG ?

      • Posted By: loriw @ 06/12/2008 1:00:03 AM

        It's not the first time i've seen a Hillary supporter spell her name wrong. But T and O we have to remember that a lot of her supporters don't read or write so well.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/12/2008 1:47:53 AM

          YOU SAID: T and O, as well as loriw who said: It's not the first time i've seen a Hillary supporter spell her name wrong. But T and O we have to remember that a lot of her supporters don't read or write so well.

          I SAY: Editing every blog to make fun of one???s grammar (spelling, punctuation, etc.) is ridiculous (unless it is so bad you have no clue what the person is saying); and which you can now see is the case based on what you just posted:

          1 - You should of capitalize the ???I??? in the word ???I???ve ??? in the first sentence above.
          2 - Could of inserted a semi-colon after the word ???wrong??? in the first sentence above.
          3 - Could change the capitalized B in the first word of the second sentence to lower case: but
          Note: You could ignore #2 and #3, depends on pr