Not the Party She Planned

As a veteran (1999-2003), former Hillary support and a black male, I feel the anger of many of my Hillary supporters brothers and sisters. Obama has not won me over either and this beliefe that we will all just fall inline because there is no one else better to vote for. It shows me just how faulted this two party system is and how it needs to change.

Every American has to right to vote for the people they believe in. I do feel Obama supports comments in how does this serves the party. My answer is to look at the war in Iraq. We have American soldiers fighting and dying for Democracy. A democracy that is not defined by two parties who have never really cared about the people and have been brought for by corporations.

Obama supporters..I do want change and believe this country desires change. However, I want to vote for someone who is running to become the President. I am not voting for a demigod or a Black Moses who is going to lead/uplift Black Americans into a new Promised Land. Harriet Turman and many other black figures had fulfilled this role and in good part.

Furthermore, this arguement that voting for Obama addresses some great political redress in America can be easily achieved my replacing Obama with a full blooded Native American Indian. No group in America is "owed" more then the Native American Indians. Ironically, we just lost one candidate because everyone said she felt entitled the the nomination. Does not this argument also ring of entitlement?

Hillary supporters. I do agree with Obama supporters in that how does voting for Mc Cain show your support for Hillary and all that she stood for. I will not vote for Obama or Mc Cain. I have decided to vote for Ralph Nader. Why Nader?

1) He has fought for change in Washington longer then either of the other candidates.
2) He is a man of wealth but has use his wealth and position in life to fight for the little guy.
3) Voting for either Mc Cain or Obama will give the winning candidate a false Mandate of Heaven from the America people.
4) Voting for Nader would open the eyes of two RULING PARTIES and the media that the American people will no longer be used and treated like cattle.
5) He is the only third party candidate with 6% of the vote.
6) Voting for Nader is to truly fulfill the dreams of the founding fathers for a democratic nation run by the people, by the people, Not the media. Not DNC or RNC but you and I

In conclusion, please think about why you voted for Hillary. I understand why you refuse to vote for Obama. But you must ask yourself how those voting for Mc Cain improve anything. Please open your minds, hearts, wallets, and patrioism to the real vote for change in this election Ralph Nader.

http://www.votenader.org/index.html
http://www.opendebates.org/yourrole/petition/
http://www.debates.org/

"Fight for his election?" C'mon Hillary! You'll only do that if he picks you as VP and he is not likely to do that with Caroline Kennedy on the search committee! "Fight for his election" That's a good one Hillary, keep em coming!

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Indeed, Obama makes no bones about his plans to go on a tax rampage. Not only would he increase the capital-gains tax rate from 15 percent to as much as 28 percent, he wants to allow the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts to expire in 2010, which effectively raises taxes on Americans by tens of billions of dollars.

He also wants to do away with the $102,000 FICA payroll tax cap, which means anyone making over $102,000 would pay an additional 7 percent in taxes on earned income.

And the loan dividend tax rate George Bush implemented? Under President Obama it will be DOA!

Being "for Clinton" and being "against Obama" are two separate matters.
Obama supporters think the dems who don't like Obama will "come around"; they think the issues are "emotions", "hurt feelings", "anger". They simply cannot grasp the idea that people think Obama is not qualified to lead this country. I had one young, idealistic blogger who honestly thought no one disliked Obama.
I certainly will not vote for Obama. And I think when history writes about this election, it will be seen as some kind of collective insanity, mindless Obama-worship by the media and most of his supporters.
I think many blacks actually made a rational decision -- they want to see a black president. But most of his supporters are just looking for a prophet and following the media.

I'M watching Fox News & Hannity & Colmes....

the Gov. of Ohio has a problem with being VP. or ept to the position..........

i Hate OH !! they need a Real DEMOCRAT in office.... i'm truly becomming dissappointed in the Democrats
that i have been so deep heartlty envolved with.

I just cannot believe Hillary can't get the respect she deserves.that speech had to be one of the hardest things she has ever had to do and still the media is tearing her to pieces. I wonder if you will have the same respect for Michelle Obama?

I8 million democrats , the Hillary Clinton supporters know Hillary had the hardest time in her endorsement speech to say the words to support Obama. This divided party will not be able to unite fully in the traditional and historical sense. There is just too much pain and animosity to go around. Its wise to concede to this fact just as everyone forced Hillary to concede the fact she can't win. Obama has a lot to restore to just gather enough democrats to move him into the White House. Still think there is something coming out that will harm Obama...there's so many things that can fly out from left field on this guy..still can't see how he was able to evade these blows....in the past his controversies would have sunk any Presidential candidate...either he's very lucky or the people are not thinking properly....just don't know.

Hillary Clinton is not the enemy of any democrat. She was the enemy of Obama supporters for 16 months of what felt like trench warfare. But neither she nor her supporters are REALLY our enemies. Together we're one big democratic family.

And Obama and his supporters, even the stupid rude ones, are not any Clinton supporters enemy. We have a bigger agenda, and a bigger target now.

McCain

Anti-McCain arguments..

"If you want this country to spiral downhill faster that it already is vote for a democrat."

Completely spurious AND subjective argument.

We've had exactly 8 years of democrats in 28 years..I'd say the spiraling is Republican's fault, just going by the numbers here.

If the Republicans have had 2.5 times the amount of time in office as democrats have then who's had the better chance to affect things? The morally reprehensible worshippers of money and power, most of them hollow tin soldier Republicans of today ARE what is causing the problem. Numbers don't lie.

"If you want the criminals to continue to have more rights than you have vote democrat"

Funny, I never have seen Republicans change any of this, have you? Or do you just believe they WILL because they say so?

I mean they have been in complete power for the last 8 years, you'd think if they had any intention of doing so, or any plan for doing so, or any intention of keeping their promises to you to do so..

MAYBE, just MAYBE..they'd have done at least some of it by now. I guess people who vote republican would rather hear pretty lies from corrupted strong men than see real change in ANYTHING.

The lesser of the two evils McCain.

OMG, you have got to be kidding. He's the biggest wind bag, waste of stuffed suit material, hollow little liar all filled to the lips with Bush & Co propaganda, out there. He's not even strong enough to pull his own coalition and his own party. That's why he has had to cave to the Bush League on EVERY Issue. And get his lines and marching orders from his minder Lieberman.

Examples include but are not limited to:

"Torture is against the Geneva Convention, and against the moral integrity of America". Except that the big President man says...Torture is Ok..screw having morals or ethics or even being decent Christians.

Spying on Americans is GOOD..after all we can't trust anyone with something dangerous like FREEDOM..they might abuse it.

"The tax-cuts for the rich are against my conscience"..oh wait I need those people to fund my campaign..so.I mean tax cuts for the rich are an absolute necessity to stabilize the economy. Is that OK Cindy?

"No political party should pander to agents of intolerance"..but jeez.. I need Hagee's endorsement or the righties won't vote for me..so I'll hold my nose and just swallow.

And for a quick visual:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

HILLARY SUPPORTERS: Have you seen this? I just ran across it today to review. Just thought Id send it along for you to puruse and react to or not. www.blog.pumapac.org

As a Clinton supporter, just because Mrs. Clinton asked us to support B.O. does not mean that we will. We have not been "courted" by Obama's camp and were told basically to "fall in line." That's exactly what men think that we should just be "good little girls" and "fall in line." We do not believe in him and therefore many of us are not and WILL NOT support him. It doesn't have anything to do with race. He's inexperienced and is basically a puppet for all of his advisors. We have lived through 8 years of someone not knowing what in the heck they were doing. I REFUSE to live through that again. B.O. had the nerve to mention the benefits of the Clinton administration...the economy in particular. Then that means we need a Clinton back in office. Not someone that wants to "play" president. If it means that we will cross party lines...so be it. We are for who will be the best president, make the best decisions...not the most charasmatic!!!

While I don't agree with everything Obama has in store for us if he wins the election, I simply refuse to vote for another 4 years of GOP politics. There is no way that Ralph Nader will ever win the election, so why waste a vote allowing McCain a steamroll to victory?

I do wholeheartedly agree with your post, haynessemperfi, though. Excellent prose.
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The problem Busby, you just dont get it. you can sit here and blame Obama supporters for Hillary down fall. but the bottom line, obama supporters didnt do it. Hillary did it to her self. Did she not think her making up stories will not catch up to her in the end? or Agreeing not to count MI and FL , but come back almost a year later whining about why we are not counting them? come on , stop blaming others for her faults. if anything you guys should be happy with hillary. she put up a strong fight, but yet you guys want to be nasty and start blaming others.

and for the hillary supporters who are now going to vote for mccain, please do so. we dont need voters who vote on pure emotions, we want voters to actually read these polices that these candiates set forth. i am voting for the best policy that t the canidate has to offer, not on emotion.

If hillary was the canidate, then my vote goes to her. but in tihs case its going to obama. since they both have the pretty much the same views. why would i want to vote for some one who has totally opposite views then the canidate i prefer? its obivious that hatered has clouded your judgment. so i am glad y ou guys are going to vote for mccain, i dont want to be associated with ppl with so much hate, that they will vote against their canidates views.

News Flash according to the recent polls, Hillary supporters are starting to come around, one voter stated at first she was disappointed but her vote will go to the man who has the same ideas and policies as Hillary Clinton, she believes both parties will come together to win in November. This voter along with many more has joined Hillary at HillaryClinton.com to show support to her and Obama, they said this is the only opportunity we have at this time to change our country.

Obama and Clinton will meet again in weeks to come to join forces, this is not personal but it's about how we can right now shape our government. If we vote out of anger, that will not help our economy, our soldiers, our seniors who are facing foreclosures, the highest rate ever of unemployment, the rising gas prices, ETC.

To the Hillary supporters who don't like the fact that Hillary lost, just remember both candidates received nearly 18 million votes, that tells us that as many supporters who looked to Clinton to fight for a change, so did the 18 million supporters who voted for Obama to fight for change, but at the end of the day. You must remember they are on THE SAME TEAM. Obama and Hillary are not enemies, they ran a hard fight but now like Both candidates said from DAY 1 at the end we will unite because we know whats at stake.

Us Americans should also know what's at stake. We can make all the difference in this world, our voices can be so clear to the republicans that we demand change and sending Obama to the White House we will prevail....

Comment: Hillary is the only sensible choice for VP.

John Kerry lost to Bush with 59 million votes. Bush had 62 million votes.

Hillary + Obama in the 2008 Primary: 36 million votes. John Edwards - less than 400,000.

John Kerry in the 2004 Primary: 6.78 million votes
John Edwards in the 2004 Primary: 2.78 million votes

Total Voters in the 2004 Primary: 11.59 million
Total Voters in the 2008 Primary: just under 40 million

If everyone that voted for Obama or Hillary took a friend to the polls, we'd clobber the Republicans.

Hillary on the ticket is a sure win for Democrats. It'll heal the wounds from the Primary, and we'll all stick together.

Here is something for you Rocky, CNN go check it out

The economic news seems to get worse with each passing day??? but it sounds like John McCain may not have heard the news. Here???s what he said Thursday in Florida: ???I have a fundamental belief that, I have a great belief that the fundamentals of our economy are very strong, very strong.???

Really, Senator McCain? That???s not what millions of Americans are saying. A new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll shows 78% of those surveyed rate economic conditions as ???poor???. Only 22 percent say ???good.???

Here are some of the reasons: The economy lost another 49,000 jobs last month, which means more than 324,000 jobs have been lost since the first of the year. The unemployment jumped to 5.5% last month ??? that???s the biggest increase in the unemployment rate in 22 years.

More and more Americans are losing their homes: one million homes are now in foreclosure. The equity Americans have in their homes-their biggest asset-has declined to the lowest level since the end of World War II. Americans??? net worth has declined by a staggering $1.7 trillion dollars.

Then there are the rising costs of energy. For the first time in our history, gasoline now tops $4 a gallon and is headed higher. Oil traded at a record high of $139 a barrel Friday, with predictions of $150 a barrel by July 4 and Goldman Sachs saying it could reach $200 a barrel within two years. The peak summer driving season is just getting under way. These fuel prices impact the cost of virtually everything else.

And, with the nation on the brink of recession, the stock market is taking a hit too ??? declining almost 400 points last Friday alone. The U.S. dollar continues to weaken against almost all foreign currencies ??? declining 15% against the euro in the last year. We are $9 trillion in debt thanks to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the irresponsible fiscal policies of the Bush administration. And we continue to run huge trade deficits with China.

Obama 08'

Newsweek---Why are yall still running this piece? Is the DNC a bit worried? They should be! They treat Clinton and her supporters like we dont even matter and then after they SELECT the person THEY want, they expect Hill's supporters to jump on board! They are sadly mistaken!