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  • Posted By: S.Camara @ 06/09/2008 4:11:27 AM

    Dear Mr. OBAMA,
    I appreciate your attitude and acts in the process of theses elections. I am 56, more older than you, but I confess that you displayed a far more judgement and reaction to the many events that occured until now. For what I have seen, I sens that you are a compromising person taking in account even the opponent´s interest. However remember that the american law says "If the president is not present, it is the vice president to take his place". With the power aduction of Hillary, I do believe she will not hesitate one minite to make you absent as president forever. So BEWARE.
    I wish all the best

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/07/2008 7:21:43 PM

    Caadams/Craat3 - I hear you. They are all pigs. But, it seems the majority reside on Newsweek and MSNBC. Let's focus and show them what we can do! BTW - do you notice, how some Obama supporters are still calling us dumb?

    • Posted By: hillary1973 @ 06/07/2008 10:24:44 PM

      Odd how some stereotypes are true?

      • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/08/2008 12:57:29 AM

        Hillary1973 - It's obvious you aren't and were never a Hillary supporter. If you want to talk about stereotypes, you will that one big time. I'd suggest you learn a little civility and be humble about Obama's victory - or maybe you're just one of those Republican moles we keep hearing about from all of the Obama supporters trying to stir the pot.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/08/2008 1:08:34 PM

          Hillary1973 is humble. None of the Obama supporters are gloating about anything. You Hillary supporters are the ones who keep twisting the knife by accusing Obama and the DNC of stealing the nomination. Deep down you know you are just airing your resentment. Give it up, dreffein, it's over. Obama won. He played by the rules and you know it. Hillary lost. I do admire her for being tough andtenacious though, she hung in there.

          • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/08/2008 1:39:10 PM

            Pia - please. Why don't you go back and read some of the nice and humble things you've written in the last 24 hours. Count how many people just in this post that you've called stupid - and you have the moral high ground - LOL. At least Hillary1234 (or whatever her numbers are) recognized what she said and apologized. You need to rethink your approach here. You're like throwing gasoline on a fire. Remember, O cannot get elected without a lot of the HRC supporters. You're not helping him at all and given the uplifting tone of his campaign (and I mean that seriously), I doubt he be proud to call you a supporter.

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/08/2008 11:14:47 PM

              PS dreffein, I checked all my posts on this article, not one instance where I called anyone 'stupid.' I did call neda 'dumb and dumber' after she told me to drop dead. Furthermore, I have been posting for months and I have never thrown gasoline on any fire. I dont insult anyone or call them names unless they personally attack me or my candidate first. I defend my candidate who continues to be persecuted here daily by bitter losers.

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/08/2008 10:58:44 PM

              Look dreffein, I don't make it a habit of calling anyone stupid or any other names. I'm known for not doing that. I myself have been called evil words by a certain poster who is notorious for that even if I have ignored him. I rarely post anything offensive. If I did today it was in the heat of the moment. I do apologize.

        • Posted By: hillary1973 @ 06/08/2008 12:20:23 PM

          I'm sorry I'm just so tired of Hillary as well as her supporters continuing to victimize themselves (poor us, we've been scorned, we weren't treated fairly.) Dumb is an easy yet unfair word to use in frustration.

          Who is ever treated fairly? No presidential candidate is treated fairly. That is what all of them sign up for when they run. As a women I don't think Hillary should be exempt from the scrutinity that all other candidates get. That's like reverse sexism.

          I am a logical person and process logical argurments. I hope the party unites behind Obama, but I realize for some that will be a struggle. If everyone could take a step back and infrom themselves about Obsma and the differences between Hillary, McCain and Obama I think the logical choice is Obama. My other hope is that people don't make irrational decisions and vote against their interests for spite.

          I sincerely appologize for the snide comment.

          • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/08/2008 12:55:50 PM

            Apology accepted. Thanks.

  • Posted By: neos @ 06/07/2008 6:48:49 PM

    A common theme for many Sen. Clinton supporters is the mistreatment that Hillary was forced to endure during this campaign. While both she (and Sen. Obama) were on occasion treated with disrespect, much of it unfair, all in all this was a remarkably civil campaign. The greatest irony is that now a segment of her supporters plan to protest this "disrespect" by flocking to the party whose core constituents HATE the Clintons. Those Clinton "supporters" who plan to kick all of Hillary's most cherished ideals into the gutter by embracing McCain and the Republican party would do well to remember that these are the very same people who had prepared a dossier and dirty tactics galore to use on "our Hillary" this Fall. The Republicans will welcome and exploit you for their own purposes and then laugh all the way to the bank at your gullibility.

    • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/07/2008 7:05:24 PM

      well said, and although Hillary and Obama have always voted for women rights watch how that will be snatched away with McBush in office he dont believe in a woman's right to choose, and he have stated once in office he will appoint chief judge to overturn current law, so again you fools think you are voting for him out of revenge is sickening, Again I can't stress enough that our troops who McBush will leave over in Iraq to fight a war that should have never happened.

      Our soldiers are on there 2nd and 3rd term with no relief
      Our soldiers suicide rate is up 40%
      Your republicans do not have an exit stragedy
      It amazes me how someone can vote with the attentions of revenge when people in our Country are struggling let's me know you have no idea what's going on in the current administration, who McCain supports, Obama will prevail above this hatred, I thank Hillary for throwing her support because she understands what's at stake at the end of the day!!!!!!!

      • Posted By: neda @ 06/08/2008 10:58:00 AM

        griffin, ilt all make sense, i quess if we are stupid we must be fools too. I wouldn't follow you obama supporter to the poll if my life depended on it. you got your man, vote for him.

        • Posted By: hillary1973 @ 06/08/2008 11:40:48 AM

          "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/08/2008 1:16:41 PM

            Wise man that Abe. Excellent president too.

            • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/08/2008 2:04:52 PM

              ...AND Lincoln was a lawyer, a brilliant orator and a newcomer with almost no national exerience.

              He was also tall and a little goofy looking.

              Remind you of anyone?

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/08/2008 11:00:12 PM

                Lol! Of course he does. President Obama.

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 06/07/2008 8:56:14 PM

    Senator Hillary and Bill should know there is NO DEMOCRACY in the DNC and when the power elite chose The Golden One, that's FINUAL!
    Senator Obama is the Golden One!
    Hillary tried an imaginative end run around the decision of the power elite and got fleeced to the tune of 30 million bucks! This fact can not be hidden any more than the approval numbers of the Congress being well below the approval of President Bush !
    There is no democracy in the DNC but a type of "activity" of a few parts polling, with a few parts promoting concepts. With a few parts waging discrimination campaigns against achievers, gun onwers, christians, police and military professionals to be the "intellectual content" of the activity.
    And follow up poling to verify the discrimination campaigns are defaming the intended targets! Why does Hillary assume Obama can not manage this activity as well as she can?
    Obama is The Golden One,and there is no crisis! He is not going to change the activity! He's a Democrat.Safe and sound!
    Now are you clear on that Hillary? Bill?
    Americans?

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/07/2008 9:08:15 PM

      Oh, if Hillary had won all the superdelegates, you'd have been crowing with delight. Try to understand the bigger population of the USA and not just your own narrow perspectives.

      • Posted By: neda @ 06/08/2008 10:30:50 AM

        notrouble, hillary got the most vote ever in a primary election, She won the popular vote.

        • Posted By: loriw @ 06/08/2008 8:00:18 PM

          Neda,
          I need to explain to you how Hillary's FUZZY MATH works. Her claim that she got the most votes ever in a primary is flawed. See there are more voters now then 4 years ago! Baby boomers (of which I am the youngest) have children now that vote and some of them have bunches of grandchildren voting. More voters voting is an easy concept. Next 4 years, more voters again and the next candidate will beat Hillary's "record" . Wow, what a concept!!! more Clinton shell game tactics. Don't be confused!

        • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/08/2008 1:52:48 PM

          Al Gore won the popular vote too.....

          Maybe Hillary will win an oscar?

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/08/2008 12:54:41 PM

          You're in denial. Face the reality, Obama won everything. Hillary lost. Tough lady though.

        • Posted By: hillary1973 @ 06/08/2008 11:57:00 AM

          Really? Nice math skills. That is only true if you don't count caucus states but do count Michigan where Obama wasn't on the ballot. Oh not to mention Puerto Rico can't vote in a general election. If that's how children did math they would fail 5th grade.

      • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 06/08/2008 3:03:54 PM

        Bigots are the minority of the population and I don't waist time trying to understand them. Most Americans,at least the ones I know, are urked by discrimination campaigns against ANYONE... and perhaps this is a key to understanding why the Democratic controlled congress has much lower approval rating than Bush on a consistent basis, as the bigger population of the US is consulted threw polls!
        The liberals' "usual suspects" list of Why-America-Sucks will remain the same as that of a decade ago, and the same as that of the Democrats in the congress today! Hence the low approval of that body!

        The historic nature of The Campaign of '08 has showcased a DNC which needs to emancipate its self from its own bogus "usual suspects" list (but can't), as they promise is to bring "change" to the nation, but not to the DNC!
        It's like a punch line but without the joke to go with it. The Democrat delegates have to chose between send-up A or send-up B. And i'll bet none of them are crowing behind closed doors!

  • Posted By: rainbow68 @ 06/08/2008 7:58:37 PM

    She really struggled with the speech. Her heart was clearly not in it. The first 15 minutes she scowled the whole time. Probably what I would do if my dream was dying.

  • Posted By: Dr Arthur Ide @ 06/08/2008 10:41:12 AM

    This life long Democrat and chair of the Hardin County (Iowa) Democrats will not vote in November. Neither the DNC nor the GOP has a candidate of value, intelligence, or sufficient experience. To vote Obama or McCain is a waste of time and the USA will be the more poor for it.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/08/2008 1:42:31 PM

      Doc,
      You hate Obama, you hate McCain--and no, you're not a racist or an ageist(?)--so at least have the decency to admit it.

      To suggest that a Harvard Law grad (and former president of a prestigeous Harvard law society) is not "intelligent" is unintelligent.

      To suggest that Mc-thuselah (oops! I mean, McCain) lacks sufficeint experience is even more stupid.

      Don't hide behind poor excuses; just admit that you are a shortsided, bitter, individual who is wiling to jeopardize everything his "life-long" party stands for just to soothe his own ego.

      I'd have much more respect for you and for your opinion if you would.

      • Posted By: busby @ 06/08/2008 6:08:45 PM

        Keep on with your insults. You won't sway anyone with that kind of blather. Put all that energy to use and canvas for your candidate. And please understand that you can't control how other people think. That is exactly why no one cares what you think now,.

        • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/08/2008 7:06:03 PM

          If you don't care then why reply?

    • Posted By: EveryoneHasBias @ 06/08/2008 12:41:37 PM

      While I disagree thoroughly with your opinion and your reasoning, I respect that you're abstaining from the election. That attitude is far more mature than voting out of spite.

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/08/2008 6:55:22 PM

    HRC supporters - just discovered a new link - http://www.womenboycottmsnbc.com. Let them know what you think about Keith and Chris!

  • Posted By: frjiles1 @ 06/08/2008 8:27:44 AM

    My support is to HIllary! I can not support her decision to endorse Obama!

    The commentators are trying to talk like it will take time for Clinton supporters to get over our disappointment and that most of us will come home. I bet they laugh as soon as the camera's stop rolling. For the most part, Clinton supporters would have been ok had she lost fair and square. This was not the case. We clearly saw that the leaders of the party showed favortism towards Obama and his supporters. They showed nothing towards Hillary and hers. The Democratic party lost their own message when they decided to do what they wanted to do about MI and FL instead of having a revote. The party leaders nominated Obama, not the voters!

    Also, Obama has absolutely no experience. The more we learn about him, the more concerned many of us become.

    Most of Clinton supporters are not falling in line because we are so angry that Clinton lost. We are not falling in line because we don't appreciate how the party treated her and us and we feel as strongly as everyone else who is not down with Obama that this man is simply not qualified to be President!

    Most of Clinton supporters are basing our decision on rationale and NOT the empty promises of change and hope especially when it is clear that the candidate promising change and hope has no real record of fighting for either!

    Clinton made the decision to give in MOST of her supporters will NOT!

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 06/08/2008 4:57:28 PM

      Being loyal to a PERSON is the premise of a monarchy -- not a democracy. The United States is a goverment of laws, not people. It's a bedrock principle. No person is above the law. No person is the law. Your loyalty is misplaced. Every American's first loyalty should be to the good of the country.

      • Posted By: hillary1973 @ 06/08/2008 6:27:33 PM

        I applaud you Mimi! It's nice that you have pointed out the spirit of our founding fathers.

    • Posted By: hillary1973 @ 06/08/2008 11:08:31 AM

      How did she not loose fair and square? She lost by the rules that she signed and agreed to. The only thing unfair is the fact that she tried to change the ruled to benefit her when she was losing. She ran a terrible campaign and had no plan to not have it locked up by super Tuesday. If Clinton supporters want to blame someone, blame Hillary. She was thw heir apparent and blew it. Obama played by the rules they all agreed to and won. If you won't vote for a Democrat with ideals very similar to Hillary, how can you call youself a Hillary supporter?

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/08/2008 12:49:24 PM

        Good comment, thank you hillary.

  • Posted By: chelle25 @ 06/07/2008 7:14:26 PM

    DOn't even get me going on PELOSI---That is one chickie --that needs to get Back..get back--get back to where you once belonged....is the Orange COunty--or San DIego ??

  • Posted By: EveryoneHasBias @ 06/08/2008 11:22:03 AM

    I'd like to make an observation about this primary cycle. I've seen on these comments pages hundreds of cries of "Bias! Bias!" from all sides of the argument. Seeing as how it's impossible for a news agency to be blatently biased both for and against a single person in the same article, I've come to regard these as simply the reflection of the writer's own personal biases. Unfortunately, like the boy who cried wolf, these take the focus away from real examples of biased reporting. Similar to one who sees racism in any mention of race, or sexism in any mention of gender, these cries of bias diminish the impact that actual instances create.
    I've followed this primary season very closely through multiple news outlets, and I must say that the coverage has been fairly balanced overall. Yes, there are individuals (like Chris Matthews and others) who hypocritically claim to be neutral, while at the same time demeaning one candidate over the other, but they do not make up the majority of the coverage.
    Let me clue some of you in, the media loves certain kinds of stories above all others: a negative story, a fresh and exciting story and an underdog tale. Obama at first received positive coverage because of his message of hope, as well as his underdog status, especially once he won Iowa (a newcomer wins the first caucus, how media friendly is that?). You'll notice though, that later, and for several weeks, the name Rev. Jeremiah Wright dominated the headlines. Obama supporters claimed bias for Clinton in the coverage. When Clinton exaggerated her Bosnia experience, the media jumped on that too. Clinton supporters claimed bias for Obama. The Right claims a liberal bias in the media, but I recall plenty of coverage of Bill Clinton's sex life when he was in office. You couldn't turn on the TV without hearing about it. The media loves a scandal. Period. It truely doesn't seem to matter who's the subject of it, so long as it boosts ratings.
    Some Hillary Clinton supporters claim that the media stole the election from her. I don't buy this for a second. I'd like to believe, and perhaps this is naive of me, that people don't vote for some one because Keith Olbermann tells them to. With the internet, it's now easy and fast enough to find information about a candidate in order to make a decision based on more than who's misspeak or out of context quote is broadcast on cable news. So please, no more excuses, no more blame. And before you cry, "Bias! Bias!" look inward and examine your own.

    • Posted By: perumanian @ 06/08/2008 3:14:18 PM

      oo OK, you are the only one we must bow to... amen.... just because you said so.

      • Posted By: EveryoneHasBias @ 06/08/2008 4:30:21 PM

        Really? That's the best you've got? Who said anything about bowing? If you disagree, fine, but at least present an argument. Where in my post did I claim to be holy?

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/08/2008 3:24:59 PM

        With your head up your anal cavity, I would assume you are in a permenant bow. Bigot.

  • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/08/2008 4:24:57 PM

    Clinton supporters:

    I'm curious to hear from those of you who actually volunteered in her campaign. When did you volunteer and what was the message? What was the tone of meetings, the organizers, the volunteers?

    The first Obama meeting I went to (before Iowa) was all about "lowered expectations". We all believed in our candidate, but we realized we were going up against one of the biggest names in the Democratic party. Privately, we talked about the importance of a strong showing, of running a clean campaign and were constantly reminded to look at the big picture: we might not win this time, but we can get the ball rolling.

    After 11 straight wins, our attitudes were hopeful, but still cautious. We believe in Obama, but we know politics...sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

    Now we come to find out that we "stole" something from you. That implies that it was "yours" to begin with. THAT my friends is the lesson you never learned. The nomination wasn't "anybody's" to steal or lose. It was always about the voters, always about the issues, about not taking anything (like the caucous states) for granted.

    Don't deny it. The truth comes out in your rhetoric...so far, in these (and other Newsweek) posts, I've heard people complain about Obama's age(how old was Bill Clinton when he got to office), his wife, his former pastor, the biased media, and Louis Farrakahn.

    But for a handful of examples, I haven't heard anybody complain about his policies (check his website if you think he has none).

    So I ask you again, how were those early meetings? Before the race got tight and the mud started flying? What did you discuss going into Super Tuesday? If you look at yourselves you'll find the true culprit.

    For the record....I agree with 90% of Clinton's policies and I would prefer her to McCain. Unfortunately, her behavior towards the end of the campaign--calling Obama "unqualified" (a no-no for a fellow party member); taking pride in the fact the low-income, uneducated white voters don't feel "comfortable" with a person of color in the White House (their words, not mine...check the polls); accusing her critics of sexism--- took away what respect I had for her as a person and a candidate.

  • Posted By: rfamily089@sbcglobal.net @ 06/08/2008 3:59:46 PM

    Senator Clinton won every debate with Obama, because a debate involves questions, responses, persuasive arguments. He shouts, yells, and chooses to proselytize (wikitionary) in order to persuade people.

  • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/08/2008 3:32:20 PM

    I must say, I am pleased to see an increase in posts from Hillary supporters who are saying "Look, we're not completely sold on Obama, but before we blindly jump over to McCain, let's really think about that that means"

    Yes, there are still some angry people - on both sides - as well as some republicans that love to stir things up. But the fact that there are some posts to this effect when there were none last week means we're making progress.

    McCain, be afraid, be very afraid.

  • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/08/2008 3:27:44 PM

    Comment: I have a suggestion for all the Clinton supporters who say they are going to vote for McCain. Go to the following website address for the Wall Street Journal:

    http://online.wsj.com/public/page/election2008.html?mod=2_1309

    At the top of the page, you'll see cartoon charcters of McCain and Obama along with a link that says "See An Interactive Graphic." If you click on that link you'll see a very easy to read summary on the differences between McCain and Obama on various topics. Remember, with the excpetion of health care, Clinton's polilcies are very similar to Obama's. Even on health care, Obama's policy is closer to Clinton's than McCain's.

    Try to take a moment and put aside any emotional response and read the differences for each topic. When you're finished, ask yourself objectively and without emotion who's policies you agree with more. If the answer is Obama, then try to at least keep an open mind as the campaign plays out. With emotions still high, no one expects you to endorse Obama at this point - just try to keep an open mind and focus on the policies rather than the personalities, because that is really what is most important.

    Just a suggestion.

  • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/07/2008 8:13:02 PM

    I have a suggestion for all the Clinton supporters who say they are going to vote for McCain. Go to the following website address for the Wall Street Journal:

    http://online.wsj.com/public/page/election2008.html?mod=2_1309

    At the top of the page, you'll see cartoon charcters of McCain and Obama along with a link that says "See An Interactive Graphic." If you click on that link you'll see a very easy to read summary on the differences between McCain and Obama on various topics. Remember, with the excpetion of health care, Clinton's polilcies are very similar to Obama's. Even on health care, Obama's policy is closer to Clinton's than McCain's.

    Try to take a moment and put aside any emotional response and read the differences for each topic. When you're finished, ask yourself objectively and without emotion who's policies you agree with more. If the answer is Obama, then try to at least keep an open mind as the campaign plays out. With emotions still high, no one expects you to endorse Obama at this point - just try to keep an open mind and focus on the policies rather than the personalities, because that is really what is most important.

    Just a suggestion.

    • Posted By: neda @ 06/08/2008 10:01:21 AM

      i suggest that if obama is your man you vote for him and leave the rest of us to vote for the candidate of our choice. Better yet, i suggest you drop dead.

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/08/2008 3:27:11 PM

        Angry and bitter - but I shall not take the bait. I forgive you.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/08/2008 1:11:01 PM

        Neda, tisk, tisk, tisk.... not nice to wish people dead.

      • Posted By: hillary1973 @ 06/08/2008 11:16:35 AM

        Easy on the threats and a little heavier on the grammar and punctuation Neda. There is no reason to tell someone do drop dead. I'm sure there are many anger management classes in your area. It might help you deal with such rage issues.

  • Posted By: rfamily089@sbcglobal.net @ 06/08/2008 3:07:55 PM

    This election millions of us found our own voice, and decided Obama isn't our choice. So, many voters will choose not to vote, or to vote for McCain, either way millions of us will make a difference.

  • Posted By: PacificGatePost @ 06/08/2008 3:02:10 PM

    AN UNFORTUNATE TREND ???

    POLITICS OF REACTION
    --
    Voters for almost a generation, have voted against sitting Presidents, rather than FOR a new candidate.

    http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/06/politics-of-reaction.html


  • Posted By: mjno @ 06/08/2008 1:57:45 PM

    In response to Hillary's plea to vote for OBAMA?

    I won't do that



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9afuODNDYoQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REcqBLgJ82I#2YgtlF7MCQI

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/08/2008 2:25:50 PM

      mjno,
      After watching your Meatloaf bastardization, I am now a dedicated HRC supporter!

      Way to go....you made a believer out of me.

  • Posted By: caadams @ 06/07/2008 7:08:07 PM

    To dreffein:
    I'm with you.
    I watched Olbermann but after hearing, "OREILLY! OREILLY! WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD", EVERY NIGHT & SOMETIMES TWICE ," I changed channels a lot. But when he started on Hillary, that was the last straw.
    Please add Campbell Brown & Dick Morris. We need to let Morris know that most of bull is just that bull.
    Today, Nancy Polosi made nice to Hillary, after all these months of trying to use her so called power to run Hillary out of town. Pelosi needs to realize how ugly she has been. And she needs to be told how "petty" it is to want to kept the "woman" sandbox all for herself.
    Count me in.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/08/2008 2:00:13 PM

      watching Olbermann was your first mistake...

    • Posted By: rkalik @ 06/08/2008 12:15:28 AM

      Thank you for calling out Keith Olberman - did anyone else here Tom Brokow chastise him on MSNBC's Tuesday night coverage? KO made another nasty comment about Hillary and Brokow put him in his place. Between Olberman, Richard Wolffe, Maddow, Dana Milbank - MSNBC is unwatchable.

      They will hopefully all being it crow in Novemeber when BHO wins one state to McCains 49.

  • Posted By: Dr Arthur Ide @ 06/08/2008 10:22:34 AM

    Hillary promised to fight to the convention floor. I am disappointed and angry. I will not vote for Obama, and I am a lifelong Democrat and former chair of the Hardin County Iowa Democrats. The Media destroyed a promising presidency by anointing a candidate with next to zero experience as a mea culpa for past racism. I cannot imagine Obama winning without Hillary and I doubt she would join him on any ticket.

    • Posted By: hillary1973 @ 06/08/2008 11:02:58 AM

      Seriously? You don''t think she would take it? As a lifelong Democrat I would think you could spot a power hungry candidate when you saw one. If you can not see past the campaign nonsense to see that Obama is the real deal, then you really should stay home, no matter whar chair you held.

      What experience does Hillary have exactly? She held 1 elected position. Just because her husband was president, doesn't mean she has experience to be. My husband builds buildings, just because we have been married for 10 years doesn't mean I can. She doesn't have a top secret security clearance so she could not have even been privy to the most important meetings. Your logic is flawed. If you don't think Obama is intelligent then one has to discount your entire post because you are obvioulsy someone who has not payed attention, heard any of his speaches, saw a debate, read his website or know his history. Basically you just seem angry and bitter, it's sad. Get over it and support your "life long" party.

      • Posted By: neda @ 06/08/2008 11:12:38 AM

        hilly 1973, you need to stop drinking that obama koolaid.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/08/2008 1:28:11 PM

          All here can see that hillary1973 has the upper hand and the intelligence here. Enough said.

        • Posted By: hillary1973 @ 06/08/2008 12:07:22 PM

          At least I try to inform myself of all aspects of all candidates and I would encourage you to do the same. All you seem to do is scream and spew unintelligible rhetoric. Read all of their websites, not just one. If you can make a logical argurment and not just yell maybe people would take you serioulsy.

          And it's Hillary by the way.

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