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  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/11/2008 10:50:20 AM

    amendmentzman, "we" refers to the American public in general. I am just an old fart, very old, who sits way out in the country in the hills and grow my own vegetables, catch a fish once in a while, and actually save money on my social security check. Not that it's that much. I just have small spending needs. I was born so long ago that I never developed the expensive tastes that consume so much of what people earn nowadays. I could die tomorrow and not give a damn. In the meantime, I have fun with this computer and reading and writing blogs. It's been a great adventure and probably will continue for a while before it's time to go. Keep amending. It takes a lot of opinions to operate a healthy country. They're all good and we are so fortunate that we can express them freely. May your amendments go well.

    • Posted By: amendment2man @ 06/11/2008 10:56:43 AM

      OLDER: I must say you could very well have a stand up show with some of your comments. sometime I think I take this too seriously but complaining never got us very far. it just worries me that there needs to be more patriotism and support of our country and government by us the people. the watergate era has opened an unparralled age of liberal cynicism and complaining. i am of that vintage yet I admire the ww2 generation for their marvelous focus and sense of purpose as well as faith in our leaders and government. they were really the great generation who understood self sacrifice over personal gain.

      • Posted By: thompsonHS @ 06/11/2008 2:08:39 PM

        Before i say what i am about to say, i will say this the accomplishments of the WW2 and depression survivors were amazing, but wasn't it their blind trust in the system and their lack of a cynicism that brought about things like Watergate? maybe a little cynicism is good for a democracy. Or maybe politicians should stop worrying about representing their parties and start representing the people they serve.

  • Posted By: forgiven99 @ 06/10/2008 10:32:43 PM

    Mezuniga, Your post is one of the most idiotic things I have ever read. What kind of American are you that you think America is ruined? Even with a downturn in our economy, a war (which we are winning by the way), and high gas prices the USA is still the greatest and will remain the greatest God blessed country ever. By the way, God loves George W. Bush just as much as He loves you. His grace is enough for the both of you and anyone else that will repent of their sins. And for you to make the tired old case of "oil profits" also shows that you know nothing about why gas prices are so high. I guarantee it is not because of George Bush.

    • Posted By: PaTriotDE @ 06/11/2008 2:04:00 PM

      Boy, you must drink the Kool-Aid on a daily basis. By the way, if believe in the war, why are you not there. Enlist my friend, help "your" leader. Put your money where your mouth is.

    • Posted By: 4carol @ 06/11/2008 8:21:48 AM

      True, God loves us all!! But, as you said, his grace is for everyone who will repent of their sins.
      GWB has never even admitted a tiny mistake, much less a sin and much less repented of one of many; don't know what God may have in mind, but personally, I hope it's forever shoveling oil sludge against the tide!! He doesn't even deserve anything that good!!

  • Posted By: Tony C. @ 06/11/2008 8:34:56 AM

    Bush's joke of a stimulus package stimulated NOTHING but people's emotions! It was a sham, like his entire administration.

    • Posted By: PaTriotDE @ 06/11/2008 1:53:30 PM

      The only thing that stimulated was my ability to post more comments against him, I used the money to buy a new laptop.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/11/2008 11:09:23 AM

    Beneath all the grumbling and traded epithets, we all know that we are the blessed of the world, living in a country which born with a desire for freedom. We never cease to define what freedom is, but the intent is almost always good. The freedom that I like the most in these late years is the freedom of speech. Go for it. Your turn, whoever you might be.

  • Posted By: rtdugan04@hotmail.com @ 06/11/2008 1:45:16 PM

    I took Macroecomics last semester in school and see this differently. Americans have spent the last 25 years spending more than they make and getting by on debt, now it is coming back to bite us and we are all surprised. Americans need to wake up to the realization the Discover and AmEx are not going to solve our problems. If each of us were to be on a budget and spend less than we make, putting the extra money in our savings accounts, you would see our economy improve. Americans have to quit relying on the Fed & President Bush and start fixing the problem ourselves.

  • Posted By: mikex777 @ 06/11/2008 11:47:27 AM

    Can the President do more about the economy? Of course!

    The problem is that talking about "the economy" is talking about something abstract that hardly ever affects everyone and, often, few in particular. It's pretty devoid of meaning unless you can identify yourself as part of a specific group directly affected by some particular action or condition.

    The relevant question is could the President (and Congress) do something that would help YOUR "economy," that is, improve your net income? The answer is almost always yes.

    For example, if you earn, say $50-100k a year, the President and Congress could legislate you a tax cut. If you're concerned that would increase the deficit, resulting in all taxpayers being forced to take a loan they have to repay in the future, it could be offset by increasing taxes on, say, those making, say, $500+k a year. You, and those in your income class, have had your "economy" improved. Of course, it puts a small dent in the "economy" of the very well off few.

    Anyway, talking about the "economy," and, even worse, talking about the stock market, has little relevance to the lives of most of us. Even gas prices have very different effects on different individuals. It all depends on the circumstances surrounding your particular sources of income. There's usually a very weak correlation between that and actions that affect "the economy."

    • Posted By: swilkes1 @ 06/11/2008 1:39:23 PM

      Look, man, there are definitely things we can talk about in 'the economy'. For one, the reason America has had a great economy for so long is our energy has come relatively cheaply. High energy prices drags the whole economy down.

      For another, good regulation is a good thing, contrary to the protestations of the GOP. Ever notice that neighborhoods with all kinds of different structures, and maybe a chicken farm in the middle of it, aren't blessed with high property values, while those gated communities usually have much higher property values? Well, one big reason is because of zoning laws -- REGULATION -- because nobody's gonna sink a lot of money in a house, only to have somebody else build a chicken farm next door and drive the value down of the investment. Likewise, the reason America has had such a long, largely interrupted economic boom after WW2 is because everybody everywhere was under the general impression that things were well run, and that anything invested here would, in effect, be a good investment because its a well run joint. Well, seeing as lately we've been unable to keep our food clean, our airplanes inspected, our toys lead free... its looking pretty clearly like our economy can't even protect its own citizens from predatory trade. Not really looking like a good investment if the economy is actually killing the citizens its supposed to serve!

      Have you also noticed that during every

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/11/2008 1:28:31 PM

    JUST SO YOU KNOW I'M SICK OF ALL THE THIS IS HISTORIC TIME FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT BULL *** IT WILL BE HISTORIC WHEN WE CAN ELECT SOMEONE WHO DON'T LIE TROUGH THIER TEETH TO GET ELECTED ALL THIS IS BULL *** PLAIN AND SIMPLE THE PARTIES DON'T CARE HOW WE FEEL THEY JUST DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO GET THIER PERSON ELECTED AND WE FIGHT IT OUT ON THESES *** BLOGS WAKE UP PEOPLE ALL OF THE CANIDATES SUCK REAL BAD........................................................ OUR CHOICES ARE DUMB OR DUMBER WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE ???

  • Posted By: swilkes1 @ 06/11/2008 11:44:41 AM

    we shouldn't have to wait 7 months for somebody to start doing something. that's 7 months of more time we have to wait later, cause it's gonna take time to get anything done.

    great president we have. anybody else think this policy of sitting on your ass because you're a lame duck sounds a lot like HOOVER in the 30's?

    bush should be threatening the oil companies that if they don't start building refineries, he's gonna nationalize them. his precedent? teddy roosevelt. we can get more oil, we've got plenty in the us or close to us that doesn't depend on the straits of hormuz. the oil companies are using the iraq war as a shibboleth to justify their high profits, and bush is so in their pockets, he believes them.

    • Posted By: rjkardo @ 06/11/2008 11:48:45 AM

      Bush is a free-market, Laissez-faire president. Which means having the government do nothing is exactly what he wants.

      • Posted By: swilkes1 @ 06/11/2008 1:25:09 PM

        Actually, that's why I mentioned Teddy Roosevelt. He started out as a free-marketer, too, but he realized quickly that the Invisible Hand has a way of wiping out large swaths of innocent people while the rich (like the Tedster) were insulated from the wild ups and downs of the economy. He learned this while he was hiding out playing cattle baron; speculators cleaned up on his and his neighbors' misfortunes in a particularly bad winter. Of course, Teddy always had good instincts, he cleaned up Tammany Hall, remember?

        Before the Great Depression, the economy swung wildly from the actions of predatory speculators (sound familiar?); after realisic regulation came into play after the Depression, things have been significantly calmer. Its only fools who think that a completely market-based economy, one without reasonable regulation, is good for the average American, for the whole world, for that matter. Our dumbass box-of-rocks currently twiddling his thumbs in the Oval Office apparently was playing too much wiffle ball out on the quad to sit in on the classes where they were talking about these things. Stupid rich people say, "Why should I care if the economy goes up and down, I'm gooooooood!", while smart rich people say, hmmmm, my wealth is actually tied very tightly into everybody else's, and if everybody's lives go down hill, it'll take me with them. Of course, one does expect a little occasional COMPASSION.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/11/2008 12:11:25 PM

        Yes, he wants the government to do nothing to regulate corporations so that he and his cronies can make billions off the backs of the American taxpayer.

  • Posted By: kdawg860 @ 06/11/2008 1:24:22 PM

    the economic stimulus was created by printing money out of thin air, increasing the money supply and decreasing the value of the dollar further. this drives prices up everywhere, hurting everyone. it's not that there are too many global economic factors for bush to help the economy. the president nor any government can help an economy by stimulating or regulating it. the only way to help an economy is to make it freer. and we've been doing exactly the opposite for the past hundred years.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/11/2008 12:54:32 PM

    Here's some change you can believe in: the amount of times McCain has changed his values and positions on the issues.

    The reason half of the conservative Christian right hates McCain is because they think that they can't trust him. McCain started his career as part of the Christian right (there's a little-known fact). Once he landed in the soup as part of the Keating Five (which almost derailed his career) he positioned himself as a liberal and became a reformer for campaign finance in an effort to resurrect himself. For those of you who don't remember, the Keating scandal had to do with some shim sham corporations pumping money into McCain's coffers. So McCain became a reformer to shine up his tarnished image, and that was his first departure from the right.

    Other, more serious betrayals of the right came later, after McCain got swift boated by Bush in 1999. The great Texas Republican political machine laid McCain to waste, and McCain was mad as hell. He started voting against the party line and against Bush. He suddenly supported abortion rights, opposed the Bush tax cuts, co-sponsored a patient's bill of rights with Kennedy and Edwards, and got on the environmental bandwagon with John Kerry. My gosh, he even tried to crack down on gun shows in legislation he put forth with then-Democrat Joe Lieberman. And in 2001, when Senator Jeffords of Vermont switched from Republican to Independent in an effort to counteract Bush's stranglehold on the Senate, McCain announced that he was considering becoming a Democrat, and went into a pow-wow with Senator Tom Daschle at his Sedona ranch. And did you know that John Kerry floated the idea of having McCain as his VP in '04? That was to have cemented his status as a newly-minted Democrat.

    But instead of joining Kerry, McCain suddenly switched his affiliation, came out in support of Bush in '04, and jettisoned his liberal image. Suddenly, it was the "old" McCain from the 1980s back in the saddle, the neo-conservative, take no prisoners Creationist. Against abortion. For the war. The SAME man who opposed a Federal amendment banning gay marriage and openly met with gay groups now was pushing a gay marriage ban in Arizona. The SAME man who said in 1999 that he was opposed to overturning Roe vs. Wade, now suddenly in 2007 is promising that he will stack the deck in the Supreme Court with religious right judges and overturn Roe vs. Wade.

    But the religious right isn't so sure about him. He's supported so many different opposing positions at so many times, that they are afraid that they are getting played in the name of McCain's political expediency.

    You don't have to take my word for this. Watch news clips of McCain talking about the same issues in different years, which proves what I have written. Get on the Straight Talk Express and get it straight from the horse's mouth:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajm5JTf7jZs&feature=related

  • Posted By: concernedczn @ 06/11/2008 10:47:50 AM

    Get the DUMB ASS out of office so the country can begin the healing that has to take place after such blatant abuse from the White House!!!!!!!! He should have to relinquish all assets to help pay back the billions he has wasted!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/11/2008 12:36:51 PM

      Wow, Concerned, I actually agree with you about something. I think that the USA should seize the assets of Bush and Cheney (and their various corporations) and use the money to pay down the national debt that they created.

  • Posted By: speckelbelly @ 06/11/2008 12:04:14 PM

    THERE IS GOING TO BE A REVOLUTION IN AMERICA COMMING SOON!
    THE POOR ,DISENFRANCHISED, ARE UPSET AS HELL!AMERICA IS NOT AMERICA ANYMORE!WE NEED TO GET BACK ON THE RIGHT TRACK ASAP!
    OIL CONTROLS EVERYTHING!NATIONALIZE BIG OIL!

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/11/2008 12:21:34 PM

      Speckle, oddly enough, we already have nationalized big oil. Our government is a big oil machine, even fighting wars to further the oil industry's interests. Geo Bush Sr. and his son Dubya are Texas oil tycoons, and they have run the country for 12 of the last 20 years. They deregulated industry as well as banking, allowing big oil to become a huge cash cow for themselves and their friends. Oh... but they forgot to nationalize the profits. Instead, they increased the national debt and ran the economy into the ground. But they don't care. They have moved their businesses and their banking offshore, so we can go into another Great Depression without it hurting them one bit.

      Geo. W Bush is a criminal.

  • Posted By: landonmkelsey @ 06/11/2008 12:19:55 PM

    drastic action for a spineless government and apathetic people!

    price controls fuel $2.50/gallon
    drop taxes 25%


    then instead let the fed gov and oil companies sweat!

  • Posted By: wisconsin liberal @ 06/11/2008 11:58:57 AM

    Comment: Last time i checked, congress is supposed to make the laws and bush is supposed to enforce them.

    Ths problem with this comment is that Bush keeps vetoing anything that Congress passes that doesn't benefit the big corporations. And the Democrates don't have enough votes yet to over ride his vetos. Don't blame the Democrats for the roadblocks the Republicans throw up that impede the progress of this country,

  • Posted By: prbkcc @ 06/11/2008 11:48:46 AM

    Last time i checked, congress is supposed to make the laws and bush is supposed to enforce them. Democrats have been in charge of congress for a while now, and what a bang up job they've done, they were right, they were going to bring change, except we have had change for the worse. how about passing laws that keep the price of crude from going up simply due to speculators making eachother rich, oil companies have had the same profit margins for the last ten years, nobody was complaining then when they were losing money, just because they are having record profits does not mean at all that they are price gouging. it simply means that with a weaker dollar, it takes more dollars to buy the same amount, and so the actual number of dollars from profit is higher, but with the same percentage profit margin. and stopping the filling of oil reserves is not any kind of an answer to oil prices. but niether is opening Anwar. the supply of oil isn't short, so therefore the demand should not be greater, it is the lack of new refineries, foreign consumption increase, price speculation, and the weak dollar that is to blame. how about making congress allow new refineries to be built and capping price speculation. i know this was a rant but come on people, get informed and don't let democrats and left wing agendists tell you what is going on, bush may not be the best president, but i am almost positive that one man is not the cause for all of our problems, and that is why there are three branches of government so that one man is not responsible.
    Side Note: Barack Obama- "We live in the greatest nation on earth, no help me change it"

  • Posted By: Micky Marsh @ 06/11/2008 11:26:30 AM

    This RAW - WAR IS LEAVING a bitter savour on the economy.........RAWHIDE!!!!!, but that was the Wild West ages ago.

  • Posted By: amendment2man @ 06/11/2008 11:24:13 AM

    I see some comments regarding the do nothing Democratic congress which was swept into office in O6. years later......nothing. as a matter of fact things are not as good as when they came into office. why dont some of you whiners complain about them and their posturing and rhetoric and symbolic acts. the last strategic reserve play by them was indeed laughable.

    sounds familiar to this General coming up. change for change sake which means really no change at all only for the worse.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/11/2008 11:22:09 AM

    Mostly because I feel that Mc C would have a hard time disentangling from present problems. The disasters.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/11/2008 11:11:12 AM

    Finally, Bush is still a dunce. I'll spare him the horse anatomy for now.

    • Posted By: amendment2man @ 06/11/2008 11:16:54 AM

      Bush sucked less too at the time. Kerry really sucked, we have so few choices

      vote mccain '08 "he just sucks less"

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/11/2008 11:04:39 AM

    amendmentzman, it's a bad habit that started with a grandfather who had a humorous view of government which really hasn't changed as much as many think from times long past. He would make comments such as, "America is a place where you can go out into the street and shout that the president is a horse's butt and hardly anybody will disagree". And this was in a time when Adolph Hitler was gaining ground in Germany and freedom there was looking pretty sketchy. So, I'll blame the attitude on him. But, it's all in fun. We will get someone in the big office soon and things will change ever so slightly, as usual. Too big to move all at once.

    • Posted By: amendment2man @ 06/11/2008 11:10:33 AM

      your really are wiser my friend. i dont think most of these other folks have the same good natured spirit as yourself. keep on getting older and wiser.

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