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  • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/11/2008 5:37:08 PM

    Kboogie: CNN's liberal piece on Mcain (WoW, real suprise there) has already been discredited and shunned by even Demorcatic party insiders as not holding merit. Look, do you not rememeber the John Kerry swiftboat deal? I'm sure that was hogwash to you then. Flip the coin, and suddenly Dems that served with Mcain are aouthrized to say anything to shame him and you gobble it up.

    When the man can't lift his arms above his chest due to the torure he endured there, what kind of special treatment do you believe he got?

    You people who have the audacity, the dispicably vile ability, to call a man a traitor after he physically sacrificed his body for the good of his nation should be drug out somewhere and have the same kind of inflictions cast upon you so that you can know what sacrifice is. It is shameful to call someone who is now physically disabled BECAUSE of his servise to his country a traitor--just because it serves your own political agenda. It makes you classless, and low--and yet again shows how loathsome the Dem party really is.

    Even your own party leaders call him nothing short of war hero moron!

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/11/2008 5:55:26 PM

      Idiot, show me the source that discredited my claims. I challenge you!!! I dare you!!!! This man commited TREASON, you bonehead. If this had been Obama, you and your GOP b*tches would be having a circle-jerk contest to decide who's going to report first. So, f*ck you and your sanctimonious opinion. You're the same piece of sh*t that supports this bogus war.

      You support a party that demonizes an entire community b/c of the rants of some crazy pastor. I'll take a crazy pastor over a "TRAITOR" anyday. McC's puzzy azz antics in Vietnam shows a pattern of his sleazy behavior. He's a CROOK (Keating 5), a WOMANIZER (left his crippled wife for a teenage Barbie), and a TRAITOR of the US.

      He's not fit to be my President!!!! MORON!!!!!!!

      • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 06/11/2008 6:00:27 PM

        and yet Everyone considers him a hero.....doesn't seem to be a lot of people in your boat K??
        BaaaaaaaaaaaaaWaaaaaaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

        • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/11/2008 7:06:49 PM

          Not everyone thinks he's a hero. The KOOLAID is strong..but not that strong. *chuckle* The sources wouldn't be posted, and CNN wouldn't have given it merit if there were no nay-sayers. Just reporting the facts, kiddo. Don't shoot the messenger.

  • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/11/2008 6:48:01 PM

    That was pretty funny sport
    How do you take a quote out of context?
    Funny with Dems: it's always they never said that. Then when you quote it, then it becomes taken out of context

    • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 7:03:25 PM

      It is safe to say people in both parties have weaseled around their words at one time or another. It isn't a democrat or republican thing. I am still going to read the books and get back to both of you. and I am going to read McCain's book too. All this tit for tat innuendo crap gets old. Policies are where it is at.

    • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 6:58:33 PM

      You take a quote out of context by not including the text around it.

  • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/11/2008 5:44:29 PM

    By the way Kboogie--when you say womanizer, do you reference this on the same level as the Clinton-Lewinski scandal--when Bill lied right to your face on national TV about it?

    I'll bet you would have voted for him again anyway.

    These issues don't matter.

    Pow's against Mcain--not okay
    Swift boat against KErry--okay
    Womanizing Mcain--not okay
    Lewinski--that's okay

    You don't care about these things unless it is a republican it is happening to.

    You will vote Dem even if the Devil himself was your candidate for pres.

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/11/2008 6:46:11 PM

      Actually, yes. I would've continued to vote for him. Not b/c I believed him. I knew he was getting his nuts licked. But, his policies outweighed the blowjobs. It's economics 101, my friend. When the economy is flourishing, blowjobs for everyone.....even the Pres.

  • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/11/2008 5:16:26 PM

    'I ceased to advertise my
    mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to
    suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to
    whites.'

    From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in
    nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity
    against my mothers race.'

    From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about
    him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself,
    maybe. And white.'

    From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to
    prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to
    the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

    From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men
    and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It
    was into my father's image, the black man, son of
    Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought
    in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm,
    DuBois and Mandela.'


    Will the Obama damage control bots please explain how any of these statements would be acceptable in ANY context? Furthermore, has anyone yet to ask dear ole Michelle if she's ever used the word WHITEY before?

    • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 6:00:18 PM

      I posted most of this below. I am not a robot, and neither are you. We are people who disagree. However I wish you would read through an entire source before using it to attack someone. I have now given myself the assignment of reading Sen. Obama's books so I will be better informed. I suspect the books would not have been given such good reviews if the quotes are as sinister as you paint them. Here goes:

      I have not read the book, so I can't say difinitively. However, the first quote probably means he had been saying his mother was white just so whites would think better of him, but then realized that was insulting his black heritage.

      The second quote is in the past tense, saying it is something he used to do.

      The third: Again, it is in the past tense, saying how he felt at a particular time. Does not give context to know whether he continued to feel that way, and also the quote snippet doesn???t let me know WHO he is talking about. If it is about David Duke it is a lot different than if it is about Tom Dooley.

      Fourth: again it is in past tense. Also it says he was in an environment where this was expected. Doesn???t say how he feels now.

      Fifth: he wants to see good things in his own race, that he can look to Martin Luther King, Malcom X, WEB DuBois and Nelson Mandela to see someone with dark skin succeeding and contributing to society. I know both Malcom X and Mandela had shifts in their thinking which saw beyond race. This would fit in with what I have read of Barack Obama.

      • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/11/2008 6:33:56 PM

        Wouldnt go believing everything you read about a person when the person writing the book is also the subject of the book. Even his editor admitted that all of the context of the books were not completely factual. So i guess this mean his editor was wrong and your right, correct? Are you connected spiritually to Obama or something? Otherwise, all I see in your excuses for what the racist said is merely your opinion and not a fact. Nice try though

      • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 6:06:46 PM

        Actually, since he is biracial, it would be seeing good in the Black side of his heritage which is a heritage often maligned in the U.S.

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/11/2008 5:26:45 PM

      "MCCAIN IS A TRAITOR"

      CNN did a piece on McCain where he admitted giving the N. Vietnamese strategic points of U.S. soldiers. In return, he received favorable treatment from his captors. He revealed military positions, and aided in anti-US propaganda during his capture. That's called "RATTING OUT YOUR BUDDIES".

      Google- "POWs against John McCain" or,
      -http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm or,
      -http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm or,
      - http://educate-yourself.org/cn/earlhopperinterview08feb08.shtml, or
      -Keating 5

      It's a fact that McCain's daddy and grandaddy helped conceal by using their Naval status to classify the transcripts of his capture. Most POWS documents were declassified, while McCain's were still being protected.

      Will McCain damage control please tell me how these documented facts have been hidden for so long? And, at the same time, PLEASE tell me why anyone would vote for this TRAITOR, WOMANIZER, FRAUD, CROOK?!?!

      I'd take a crazy pastor over a TRAITOR any day!!

      • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/11/2008 6:04:18 PM

        Im sorry.
        What did any of that have to do with my question? I was waiting for someone to tell me how you justify any of Obama's comments about white people in any context. Anyone have anything to say relavant to my question?

  • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 6:22:35 PM

    I was appalled by what was done to Kerry. Someone calling McCain a traitor had better have damn good evidence. I don't believe it. Neither do I believe the bilge people have been spreading about Obama.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/11/2008 1:23:30 PM

    JUST SO YOU KNOW I'M SICK OF ALL THE THIS IS HISTORIC TIME FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT BULL *** IT WILL BE HISTORIC WHEN WE CAN ELECT SOMEONE WHO DON'T LIE TROUGH THIER TEETH TO GET ELECTED ALL THIS IS BULL *** PLAIN AND SIMPLE THE PARTIES DON'T CARE HOW WE FEEL THEY JUST DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO GET THIER PERSON ELECTED AND WE FIGHT IT OUT ON THESES *** BLOGS WAKE UP PEOPLE ALL OF THE CANIDATES SUCK REAL BAD ARE CHOICES ARE DUMB OR DUMBER WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE ???

    • Posted By: chindognyc @ 06/11/2008 1:26:17 PM

      sir, by all means, vote for McCain. If you feel Obama is lying to you, then vote for McCain. It will be a historic moment for America to vote for a black man. The EU already said they are not surpirsed that white america will not accept a black man as President. So please vote for McCain. I just hope you don't have any kids who if under McCain, if the recruiting numbers are too low will draft to keep troops out in Iraq. So please vote for McCain.

      • Posted By: ssbn777 @ 06/11/2008 1:37:17 PM

        So we should vote for the black candidate for the sole sake of his being black?

        • Posted By: Richard1327 @ 06/11/2008 2:17:19 PM

          95% of black democrats voted for Obama just because he's black - didn't anyone notice this type of discrimination?

          • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/11/2008 6:19:27 PM

            Actually, it's on 80%, according to the Pew Research center.

            Where do you get your numbers?

      • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/11/2008 4:07:25 PM

        It would have been more historic to elect a competent woman rather than a smooth talking incompetent black man

  • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/11/2008 6:17:04 PM

    Anyone want to see what hilarious looks like. Then you have to check out this 1 minute clip of an Obama supporter telling the media what Obama's legislative accomplishments are. This is a must see!!!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

  • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/11/2008 1:55:10 PM

    Chindog your an idiot. How many years we have been voting for white presidents is irrelavant as it pertains to that argument. In order to move beyond racial divisiveness, we have to come to a point where ehnicity holds no bearing what so ever, Saying that it is now okay to vote for someone based on the color of their skin because we haven't before is postumously absurd. It does nothing for movement into equality, and only highlights the fact that we have not moved an inch closer towards civil unity within this country.

    The premise of civil rights is that all men are created equal and should not be judged based upon the background OF ethnicity.

    It does not come with a tag line I have ever read that said--oh, wait--unless there is a good reason to do so.

    We should be choosing the leader of our country based on qualification--not to make history, not because he is one color or another.

    True racism lies within the anger of people like you who become irrate when this fact is pointed out.

    If Obama is elected president, I hope it is based on the merits of his ability to lead us--not just because he is black.

    Hypocrite: a person who pretends to have virtues, moral, or relegious beliefs, principles etc,. that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie his or her public statements.

    Arguing not to make decisions based on race, while you vote for a man based soley on the color of his skin IS hypocritical.

    You can choose to be politicaly correct (like that has gotten us far) about the issue, or look at the true conotation of its nature. Allowing any race, white or black, to practice such measures is an act grounded within the rationale of guilt or pity alone, and does absolutely nothing to help propel the cause of civil liberty any more forward.

    Be PC

    But don't be stupid

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/11/2008 6:16:53 PM

      Wow Rame....I gotta back you again.

      Chindog IS an idiot..

      ...and I don't consider Hitler or Mein Kopf to have ANYTHING to do with America or it's politicians (White, Black, Brown, Yellow, Chartreuse, or Mauve)

    • Posted By: Richard1327 @ 06/11/2008 2:06:13 PM

      your = belongs to you
      you're = you are
      to = toward
      two = 2
      too = also
      their = belongs to them
      there = not here
      they're = they are

  • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/11/2008 2:48:05 PM

    Glad to know that out of all the incoherent postings strung about within the rhetoric, you believe it is I, who am most in need as it pertains to self-impovement. I will make sure to edit the content of my future posts so that they may more adequately represent the proper usage of our English language.

    But while you are making suggestions for the likes of future reference--why don't you give Jack999 a whirl--cause I can't understand a word he is saying.

    Or, is there just something in particular about me that you felt was more worth your while?

    • Posted By: Richard1327 @ 06/11/2008 2:54:54 PM

      Are you an only child or did you grow up in the 1970's when they started all that "self-esteem" crap in the public schools? My reply was just an FYI to you or anyone who would like some clarification on semantics. Using your for you're is not misspelling; it's using the entirely wrong word. It's no big deal - please don't let it ruin your day. You can overcome this - try thinking logically instead of emotionally and you will let this go and get on with life. Jack999 is beyond help.

      • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/11/2008 3:22:51 PM

        My point was that (when chatting in message boards) I am someitmes guilty of jotting down the first word that pops in my head, BECAUSE am I not lolling over semantics; and while the usage may been incorrect, it does not mean I am unaware of the difference between your and you're. So YOUR FYI was redundant , with an overproclivity erring toward the side of a pompous naturedness-which is offensive.

        It was childish to do so in the first place. And if there is anyone lacking in self-esteem, I am thinking it would be someone who deems it necessary to correct others in order to make themselves feel, or appear, mentally superior in an area where they would otherwise be lacking.

        But again thanks for the advice,

        I am pretty sure I've overcome it, and don't think it has ruined my day too much.

        LOL

        Oh, wait---can I use that?

        Get over yourself.

        • Posted By: Richard1327 @ 06/11/2008 3:25:40 PM

          YOU'RE a "last word" sort of guy, aren't ya?

          • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 3:37:59 PM

            I note an irony here.

            • Posted By: Richard1327 @ 06/11/2008 3:39:17 PM

              You get me.

              • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/11/2008 6:07:43 PM

                Now I have the last word!

                muhahahahaha!

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/11/2008 12:00:02 PM

    Oh happy day!!!!!!!!!! Bad news for McGremlin.......

    Today's Gallup - "Since Hillary Clinton decided to concede the Democratic nomination to Barack Obama last week, Obama has established a lead over Republican John McCain in general-election polling. Obama's gains have come more from women than men, though he has picked up among both groups in recent days.
    Obama's lead among women has now expanded from five percentage points to 13."

    Wait guys, it gets better..........

    "One of Clinton's core groups of supporters during the nomination phase of the campaign was older women. During the last few days of her active candidacy, Clinton led McCain by 51% to 41% among women aged 50 and older, while Obama trailed McCain among this group, 46% to 43%.

    Since Clinton suspended her campaign, older women's vote preferences have shifted toward Obama, so that he now enjoys a six-point advantage over McCain."

    Oh happy day!!!!!! The TRAITOR, CROOK, FRAUD, WOMANIZER is slowly dying!!!

    • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 06/11/2008 2:31:40 PM

      Comment: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/...Oops!! Margin of error = 3....My bad K....go on with what you were saying....BwaaaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaa!!

      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/11/2008 3:04:30 PM

        What chu talkin bout, Willis?!?!?! What margin of error? He's up by 13% among women voters, and 8% nationally. Maybe I misunderstood your post..... Or, are you just looking for attention? Awwww, how ya doin', Rock?

        • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 06/11/2008 6:04:02 PM

          Did you follow the link?? Of course not....your so cute K!!

    • Posted By: paulte @ 06/11/2008 12:19:54 PM

      The very inconsistency in the polls makes them suspect. Women are not going to put Obama in the White House anymore than they could put Kerry in the White House! And there are still a lot of over the hill (50+)women Hillary supporters who will not vote for Obama, period!

      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/11/2008 12:55:45 PM

        paulte, whether you want to accept it, or not, those women you speak of are a small minority. The "bitter' women who are voting for McC, were never voting for "political" reasons. Their motivations weren't based on policy.

        For the majority of HRC supporters - as the anger subsides, and rationale sets in, women voters will vote the same way they've ALWAYS voted. At least, that's what the polls show. But I could be wrong.

        I hope that was less painful than Alvy's approach.....even though there was truth to his response.

      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/11/2008 12:37:01 PM

        They're consistent. It's get consistently worse for Mc.
        The very fact that you would vote for war and a biased supreme court is intriguing. Stupid, but intriguing. Idiot.
        50+ means some of you haven't got very many elections left. Most of you guys are fat and opinionated anyway - who wants to listen to the fake moralled? You already screwed up the country, let someone else try. The young people KNOW had badly you made the world revolve. The young people are the technology and the drive now - not you and your disdain for equality. The young people know how important the dollar and laying on the couch are for you. You've had every chance to make some positive change, and with all your ranting, politics, religion and righteousness - you made it worse.

        The reason the young people don't respect you - in case your wondering - is because you never even bother to try, admit your wrong-doing - or said I'm sorry.

        • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/11/2008 12:47:40 PM

          Daaaaammmmmnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/11/2008 5:59:35 PM

    Tuesday, Nov. 13, 2007 12:39 EST

    Clinton, McCain and the B-word

    At a campaign event in South Carolina Monday, a female supporter asked John McCain: "How do we beat the ***?"

    If the Arizona senator objected to that particular characterization of Sen. Hillary Clinton, he didn't exactly say so.

    Instead, as the room erupted in laughter, McCain said he'd try to offer a "translation." Somebody in the audience shouted out, "I thought she was talking about my ex-wife." There was more laughter all around, and then McCain said: "That's an excellent question."

    McCain cited a recent Rasmussen poll showing him with a statistically insignificant two-point lead over Clinton, then finally got around to saying, "I respect Sen. Clinton, and I respect anyone who gets the nomination of the Democrat Party."

    And yes, as Talking Points Memo notes, that would be the same John McCain who immediately distanced himself from the comments of his own mother when she took a dig at Mitt Romney's Mormon faith


    THERE IS ALSO A VIDEO OF THIS, HERE IS THE LINK; http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/11/13/mccain/

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/11/2008 5:27:48 PM

    SPORTLOCK09 .......your understanding of Obama books is just like a Kindergarten kids trying to figure out what's the "theme" of the book,those matured adult had reads it foind very manifest and fasinating of one's truly visons. Ask your uncle Sam help to read on your behalf for your better understanding.

    • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/11/2008 5:58:16 PM

      I dont think its onlyme who cannot make out what the hell your saying. 3 words: Hooked on phonics

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/11/2008 5:41:34 PM

    McCain Opposes Senate Bill That Sought Equal Pay for Women
    by Associated Press


    link:http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/23/mccain-opposes-senate-bill-that-sought-equal-pay-for-women/

  • Posted By: sly1171 @ 06/11/2008 1:20:16 PM

    If you read his book, The Audacity of Hope, you can see clearly not only that he is a man of conviction but that he does have a plan for our domestic woes. Details of his plans are also posted on his website. On a cursory view of his statements without knowledge of the aforementioned details make him look like he's being politically expedient, but in fact, he simply holds views that do not neatly fit into the media's cookie cutter narrative.

    • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/11/2008 2:09:33 PM

      I read both, did you miss these?From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my
      mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to
      suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to
      whites.'

      From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in
      nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity
      against my mothers race.'

      From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about
      him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself,
      maybe. And white.'

      From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to
      prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to
      the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

      From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men
      and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It
      was into my father's image, the black man, son of
      Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought
      in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm,
      DuBois and Mandela.'

      From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims
      should the political winds shift in an ugly
      direction.'

      I will stand with the MUSLIMS? You must have missed that, I guess?

      • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 2:34:31 PM

        I need to read the whole book and then I will know the context in which these things were said. It could be exactly the spin you are giving these quotes, but I have a suspicion context would clarify. Then your post would just be a slimy partisan attack.

        • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/11/2008 5:13:26 PM

          'I ceased to advertise my
          mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to
          suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to
          whites.'

          From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in
          nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity
          against my mothers race.'

          From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about
          him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself,
          maybe. And white.'

          From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to
          prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to
          the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

          From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men
          and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It
          was into my father's image, the black man, son of
          Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought
          in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm,
          DuBois and Mandela.'


          Okay, I will entertain you for a minute. What exactly was the context to these statements that make them exceptable? Please, do tell.....

          • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 5:29:22 PM

            It isn't that difficult.

            I have not read the book, so I can't say difinitively. However, the first quote probably means he had been saying his mother was white just so whites would think better of him, but then realized that was insulting his black heritage.

            The second quote is in the past tense, saying it is something he used to do.

            The third: Again, it is in the past tense, saying how he felt at a particular time. Does not give context to know whether he continued to feel that way, and also the quote snippet doesn???t let me know WHO he is talking about. If it is about David Duke it is a lot different than if it is about Tom Dooley.

            Fourth: again it is in past tense. Also it says he was in an environment where this was expected. Doesn???t say how he feels now.

            Fifth: he wants to see good things in his own race, that he can look to Martin Luther King, Malcom X, WEB DuBois and Nelson Mandela to see someone with dark skin succeeding and contributing to society. I know both Malcom X and Mandela had shifts in their thinking which saw beyond race. This would fit in with what I have read of Barack Obama.

            • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 5:40:34 PM

              I have given myself the assignment of reading both his books. I started into the first few pages of the Audacity of hope the other day, but havn't gotten far yet. From what I have read in all the reviews it will make me think better of him. I think if these quotes were as sinister as you portray them, the book would not have been given such fine reviews across the board. But I will read them both and learn more. I suggest you do the same if you have not

      • Posted By: BLC0708 @ 06/11/2008 2:28:22 PM

        Have you actually read the books, or just the popular excerpts?

        The main argument I have for this is your last statement. He will stand with the MUSLIMS, as you deemed necessary to shout, is taken so far out of context when it is placed by itself that it's almost laughable.

        If you read the entire book, you'd know that he, at length, describing the situation in post 9/11, when American CITIZENS who happen to be Muslims were being wrongly treated over an ignorant fear by people who did not know anything about them. The President of the United States of AMERICA must defend AMERICANS not just CHRISTIANS and not just WHITES. Obama stated that, if people ignorantly decided to oppress the Muslims simply for their religious preference, he would stand against this oppression. What's wrong with that?

        • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 2:39:05 PM

          Thanks for your info. You were posting while I was typing. Yes, SPORTLOCK is just doing a slime job on Obama, as I suspected. It may have been in ignorance, not having read the book, but it is still dreadful to rip such a fair-minded comment of Obama's out of context.

    • Posted By: ssbn777 @ 06/11/2008 1:49:02 PM

      I also read his book "Dreams of my Father" in which he repeatedly rails against what he views as a "white man's world" and repeatedly asserts his identification with his black "side" and not his white. Doesn't sound very "hopeful" to me.... Perhaps because it was written before his presidential aspirations, and rings with more truth than "Audacity" which is more self-promoting political propeganda than anything else....

      • Posted By: BLC0708 @ 06/11/2008 2:32:51 PM

        These things are strewn out of proportion and unfairly and unjustly put on Obama. What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of a man owning up to his identity? Heaven forbid someone feel proud to be who they are. Have you listened to his speeches, seen his voting record, or noticed his demeanor? Has he once done something for "the blacks" since you insist on dividing people up? What do you think he'll do as President...chain up all the whites and force them to labor for no cost, take away all their rights, drive them from their homeland into some foreign soil where it would be easier to treat them like animals, and then slowly deviate their rights back to them and pretend they are being blessed?

        • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/11/2008 2:55:57 PM

          Bill Cosby on Rev. Wright

          Article from Wall Street Journal:

          Rev.Wright epitomizes the thoughts and actions that have prevented and continue to prevent black America from moving ahead and achieving their potential as a people. He suggests that this United States of America made up of sons and daughters of immigrants (I'm talking of the millions of 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation immigrants in this country) of every race, creed, color and religion each and everyone of them who had nothing to do with slavery, some how owe something to a group of people who have never been slaves? Its amazing. It seems everyone is to blame for the shambles black society is in with its violence, drugs, high school drop out rates, misogyny, and a host of other real and virulent problems, except for the very people who engage in such behavior. Enough. As a society, culture or people, they should look within themselves and fix their problems. When did this man become the spokesman for the 'black church'? And of course his church is different, but that doesn't mean his message and philosophy is acceptable, or productive or non-offensive or not-racist or indicative or our greater cultural behaviors, values and norms Americans. And yes, the link between this man and Obama really does matter. At a very minimum, it provides insight into the political and philosophical strain that Obama adheres to.

          Comment by Bill Cosby

          • Posted By: BLC0708 @ 06/11/2008 3:07:10 PM

            Absolutely ridiculous and proposterous to assume Reverend Wright's position is that of Mr. Obama's. If you are associated with an athiest at work, are you one? If you sit in the same pew as a womanizer, are you a womanizer? If you agree with a womanizer when he says "God is essentially good", are you both a womanizer and a womanizer sympathizer? This is one of the biggest problems with the direction politics are going. Separation of church and state are there for a reason, and when you break down those walls, and let one seep into the either, you get this kind of ridiculous banter. Nobody agrees with their pastor 100%, and nobody can be held accountable for sitting in a pew and uncomfortably listening to a Reverend NOT do his job and instead spit political agendas. How many Christians go to church expecting to learn more about their relationship with God and instead come out filled with the Reverend's own strong beliefs? Should we condemn them all?

            The underlying problem is that people who don't like Obama will FIND reasons not to like him, where people who do will FIND reasons to come to his defense. As I have stated in previous comments, look at his record. Where does his voting record, his time in office, his speeches, where do they show him adhering to Rev. Wright's views?

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/11/2008 4:12:01 PM

              His voting record shows him to be an underexperienced radical liberal. Where is HIllary /

          • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/11/2008 3:23:33 PM

            You're a f*cking, piece of sh*t azzhole liar!!! Do your due diligence before you post anymore b*llsh*t!!!!

            This was not from an "article" in the Wall Street Journal.

            It was from the Wall Street Journal blog a "comment" section in which readers can attach their responses to an article.

            In this case a Wall Street Journal article was posted in the blog on April 28, 2008 titled Rev. Wright Talks About Reconciliation.

            The text that was circulated in the eRumor was one of many comments submitted by readers and was described as having been written by "Bill Cosby." There is no evidence whether it was the comedian, someone else with the same name, or someone simply claiming to be Bill Cosby.

            • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 3:28:40 PM

              Thanks for the info. I see SPORTLOCK's lying about quotes from Obama's books being matched here by unverified quotes posted by bloggers. His performance is quite stellar today. If people reading here note his BS, it should garner Obama a good many votes.

              • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 3:32:13 PM

                Since nothing SPORTLOCK has said here can be taken at face value, it is no wonder he cannot take Obama's statements at face value and instead attributes Wrights views to him.

          • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 3:12:07 PM

            There were blacks held in essential slavery even as late as 1940. Blacks were denied the right to vote until the 1960s in much of the south. Equal housing, employment and schooling are still problems. It isn't just a matter of redressing ancient grievances. There are grievances in living memory and many grievances still perpetrated on an individual basis to this day. When one takes the argument back to slavery, it is a red herring which misses much of the reality of the situation.

        • Posted By: Stlmovoter @ 06/11/2008 2:45:20 PM

          Beautifully put.

      • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/11/2008 4:10:44 PM

        It was the drugs

  • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/11/2008 4:49:32 PM

    Sadly, it is not about the issues Chindog.

    What Hill wants is to undermine the election of Obama, make sure Mcain is elected, so that she can run again in 2012--that is all that matters. Haven't you seen enough of how the Clinon's operate to know this. Her party insiders are probably already privy to it. They all know it, and it will just take some time for the unravelling plot to trickle down to everyone else. When it does, I just hope that all these stauch Clinton supporters remember, and realize, it has never been about the issues--it has always been about the Clinton's

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/11/2008 5:40:31 PM

      Rame,

      I'm going to (kinda) back you on this one. I'm no conspiracy theorist, so I don't know that it's all part of some great plan, but I'm absolutely certain the concession speech had more to do with 2012 (or even 2016) than with her support for Obama.

      Still, I'm not mad at Clinton for it. This is politics--sometimes you have to bite your upper lip, swallow your pride and "play the game". The only way she could salvage her standing within the party was by giving that endorsement speech, and, frankly, I thought it was effective.

      Lest we forget, McCain got the royal Swift-Boat in 2000, but he played "the game" and now he's got the nomination.

    • Posted By: spjon @ 06/11/2008 5:01:59 PM

      This is the lamest argument ever. Did you not hear her concession speech? Look, if you think Obama is going to lose then say it. I've had enough of Obama supporters pre-blaming Hillary for Obama losing the election. Most former Hillary supporters will (and if you look at other articles are already starting to) support Obama in the end. This "blame Hillary" tactic for Obama losing the General Election is sad and pathetic. By the way; if you can say that Obama loses because of Hillary, then I guess I can say that Obama wins because of Hillary because without her support he would not get as many of her supporters as he will need.

      • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/11/2008 5:13:37 PM

        For such a lame argument, it's funny how many of the pundits are saying that exact same thing. In fact, in the careful scrutiny of politics, it is often not what is said on a pulpit, but what is said behind closed doors that really matters. Giving a concession speech is what was required of her. Do you honestly think it means jack squat in the bigger picture of things.
        Guess you weren't watching Neil Cavuto a minute ago when they had one of her staff on the show--saying they were not getting behind Dean's cry for unity, and that they would not support a candidate less qualified than Clinton.
        Sad, pathetic--whatever you want to call it--that just occured--not in my words--but hers,

        It's so about issues that she was open about her desires that he NOT pick another woman for VP because it would steal her thunder. You can look that up on this site, it was written in Newsweek--last week.

        Like I said, when it does all come undone--hopefully--you may rememeber reading this post--and then you can take the Clinton blinders off and say "WOW, it really was all about her."

        By the way--I'm a Mcain supporter--so in actuality--I'm all for it.

        LOL

        • Posted By: spjon @ 06/11/2008 5:18:14 PM

          Most of the pundits are not saying that. You're twisting their words. Most of them say that they have heard that this is what she is trying to do and that it is not outside the realm of possibility but is highly doubtful. But if you're supporting McCain then there is absolutely no point to this conversation. Lol.

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/11/2008 5:02:08 PM

      That is a terrible mischaracterization of Senator Clinton and her supporters. It's all about issues because many Hillary supporters are not convinced Obama is ready. Obama ans his supporters should be bending over backwards to win they over if he wantst he presidency

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/11/2008 5:40:11 PM

    Obama was Right,only the realistic talks about the future,The Old talks about the past.

  • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/11/2008 3:45:21 PM

    Joe: You are still trying to argue that 95% of African Americans voted for Obama because they all believe in his views. Can you explain why he does not carry that number with any other demographic, or why not even a white president that I can recall has ever carried such an overwhelming majority with ANY demographic in the past?

    Trying to convinve people that it just so happens that this particular group of people are the only ones who side with his views so consistenty because of his stance on issues, and not because they are of the same ethnic background is kind of a hard sell.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/11/2008 5:31:03 PM

      FYI--the Pew Research data I quoted polls those registered Democrats and those (self-described) leaning Democrats.

      I'm still waiting for your sources...(Richard, not Rame)

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/11/2008 5:25:32 PM

      First of all, according to Pew Research center, as of May 2008 (the latest data), Obama enjoys the support of 80% of registered African American Democrats. That 95% number was (is) pure BS. (http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1318)

      Secondly, I'm not suggesting that every African American votes color blind---in fact, my whole point is that African Americans have minds of their own....some will vote on race...some won't. You simply cannot generalize about 35 million people.

      Thirdly, Rame, it's not that difficult to understand....if you can read, that is...

      August 2007--
      Clinton holds a 13 point lead over Obama among Black Democrats (http://pewresearch.org/pubs/583/blacks-john-edwards)

      October 2007--
      Hillary Clinton held a 27 point lead over Obama among Black Democrats. Curious, how Blacks moved to Clinton...(I'm assuming Obama was still [half] Black...)(http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/18/poll.2008/index.html)

      January 2008--
      Obama begins January in a virual tie with Clinton among Black Democrats--Obama 47% - Clinton 45%
      (http://pewresearch.org/pubs/675/start-of-primary-season)

      Later in January, Obama surges ahead among Black voters, gaining 59% support among registered Black Democratic voters.
      Coincidentally, this is AFTER Obama made a HUGE grassroots push to introduce himself (and his views) to the electorate. Of coure, the idiot's (err--Bill Clinton's) trash talk didn't help Hillary out one bit.
      (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/18/poll.2008/index.html)


      March 2008--
      Obama widens lead among Black democrats. Obama 67%, Clinton 22%
      (http://people-press.org/report/414/obamas-image-slips-his-lead-over-clinton-disappears)

      April 2008--
      Obama enjoys wide lead among Black democrats 80% - 11% (Clinton)
      (http://pewresearch.org/pubs/818/obama-lead-disappears)

      May 2008--
      Obama holds 80% of Black democratic voters (http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1318); no change from April

      So, as you can see, despite Obama being (half) Black in 2007, Hillary Clinton enjoyed a wide lead among Black Democrats
      Obama ran a masterful campaign, he went into the Black community to reassure them (us) that he is actually for real, but still had to prove it in the primaries before Black voters came to his side. Slowly but surely, through brilliant campaigning (and with a little help from the idiot), Obama gained ground within, and, eventually overwhelming support among Black Democrats. (I'm working, so I don't have time to look up the numbers for Black Republicans--and yes, there are about 75 nationwide LOL!)

      There a ton of reasons why this could have happend: organization, policies, idiot (you know who).....and, yes, even skin color too.

      Nevertheless, your assertation the Blacks blindly support Obama was no more true in 2007 than it is now in 2008. To be sure, there are elements within the Black community who vote on skin color, but they are insignificant when comparehe total Black electorate.

      Class dismissed.

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/11/2008 4:20:39 PM

      That same majority of blacks have ALWAYS voted Democrat. That speaks VOLUMES about Dem. policy -vs - Repub. policy. HRC was still getting the majority of the black vote up until Bill trivialized Obama's win in S. Carolina. He spit in the face of his most loyal constituents when he compared Obama's win to Jesse Jackson. That's when the black voting demographic started to shift.

      Yes, there is an element of racial pride. The same way that SOME whites will NEVER vote for a black man, no matter what. But, the black communtiy (like the white community) care mostly about who's going to put them in a better position. At the end of the day, that's where most of the votes are going. That being said, on top of Bill's gaffe and HRC's claim that "whites won't vote for Obama", the black community no longer held the Clinton's in such high-esteem.

    • Posted By: Richard1327 @ 06/11/2008 3:50:49 PM

      Agreeing with Obama's views may not have been as important in voting for HIM as the feeling that "it's our turn now".

      • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/11/2008 3:55:14 PM

        watch out Obama. Hillary played the "its our turn now" card and you burnt her for it

  • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/11/2008 5:26:58 PM

    How did I twist things SPJON? If the pundits are saying they've heard she may be doing that, isn't that what I was saying? They are suspect, are they not?
    I may be highly doubtful, and it may not.
    I guess later, when you think of this, I will be either really insightful, or really stupid. LOL

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/11/2008 5:16:32 PM

    Such figures don't come much more "top" in either political party than retired four-star General Wes Clark, the former Supreme Allied Commander Europe for NATO during the Kosovo War

    What Wesley Clark said about John McCain

    "I know he's trying to get traction by seeking to play to what he thinks is his strong suit of national security," Clark said of McCain while speaking from his office in Little Rock, Arkansas. "The truth is that, in national security terms, he's largely untested and untried. He's never been responsible for policy formulation. He's never had leadership in a crisis, or in anything larger than his own element on an aircraft carrier or [in managing] his own congressional staff. it's not clear that this is going to be the strong suit that he thinks it is."

    Resume aside, though, Clark also took issue with the Arizona Republican's instincts on national security. "McCain's weakness is that he's always been for the use of force, force and more force. In my experience, the only time to use force is as a last resort. ... When he talks about throwing Russia out of the G8 and makes ditties about bombing Iran, he betrays a disrespect for the office of the presidency"

    If wes clark comments going to make John McTemper angry and Mad as he's famous for throwing tantrum,McTemper is just the right guy going to have his hand on the red nuclear button...then we all Americans waits under our table pray hard that the Russian dont return the counter-back at us.




  • Posted By: chindognyc @ 06/11/2008 4:54:43 PM

    Comment: MCCAIN OBAMA
    Income Avg. tax bill Avg. tax bill
    Over $2.9M -$269,364 +$701,885
    $603K and up -$45,361 +$115,974
    $227K-$603K -$7,871 +$12
    $161K-$227K -$4,380 -$2,789
    $112K-$161K -$2,614 -$2,204
    $66K-$112K -$1,009 -$1,290
    $38K-$66K -$319 -$1,042
    $19K-$38K -$113 -$892
    Under $19K -$19 -$567

    I want people to look at what kind of savings you will get if your voting for McCain and if your voting for Obama. Take a look and you tell me who you are voting for.

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