Spies, Lies and the White House

Buried in a Senate report, new revelations about pre-war deception

By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball | Newsweek Web Exclusive

Jun 11, 2008 | Updated: 2:21 p.m. ET Jun 11, 2008

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Posted By: ngy460 @ 08/06/2008 11:17:07 PM

Comment: now i just a poor old uneducated negro veteran,and dont know much of anything cept i'se learnd to run a computer pretty good late in life and tipe with 2 fingers,cant spell worth a darn ,and dont talk like man on 6 o clock news ,and i sees it right from the start this war was a sham,,what you call contrived ,to favor the deep pockets ,done told everybody i knows and no one listen ,but some of em listening now ,I'se dont be politicaal and dont favor no party ,but these bunch in there now are worst i ever seen in all my years. and they has ruined this country, support the troops shore ,, i'se do ,as was one of them once , long ago, but support em by bring em home .now!
Posted By: JamesJohnson @ 08/01/2008 8:16:24 PM

Comment: Who could possible be foolish enough to want another four years of deceitful malarkey from McCain and his camp of Bush operatives?!
Posted By: JamesJohnson @ 08/01/2008 8:11:24 PM

Comment: Who could possibly be foolish enough to want another four year of this deceitful malarkey!
Posted By: kroniktokinbloke @ 07/24/2008 5:28:59 PM

Comment: To thehappyamerican:
Sir, it seems to be very fitting that you are defending a man who's ability to articulate is right on par with your own. Perhaps if you read the article and many others like it, you would understand that Bush and his cronies had the intelligence information stating that Saddam had no WMD's yet they manipulated the information so as to make a case to go to war. Before you want to attack a former President that actually goes out of his way to help those less fortunate, use a spell checker so you don't sound so ignorant.
Posted By: kroniktokinbloke @ 07/24/2008 5:04:46 PM

Comment: In response to thehappyamerican;
Sir, if you are going to criticize anybody to defend Bush for his actions that have in fact killed innocent Americans, Iraqis, Afghanis, and many others when articles such as this one and several others point out the fact that they did have the intelligence available to them that there were no WMD's in Iraq yet they manipulated the truth to get their war anyway, please use a spellchecker so you don't sound like an ignorant fool.
Posted By: Julia55 @ 07/17/2008 6:57:49 PM

Comment: Read it. Thanks "Decider."
Posted By: oldballscavalry @ 07/15/2008 3:00:30 PM

Comment: I hope the people saying "get over it" spent some time in that sandbox, sweating, bleeding and dying for a war that was at probably not necessary to stop Saddam. We had him pretty contained and to just overlook all the intelligence that was not to the administrations liking and put out statements that were as much lies as Bill Clinton ever said borders on criminal. I lost two good friends over there and I can tell you for sure that their families aren't going to just "get over it". The next deployment i go there on i hope to see you alongside of me.
Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 07/03/2008 12:14:41 AM

Comment: Solid intelegence was unobtainable.Setting the tone was Jimmy Carter who crippled our human intelegence around the world under the laughable justification that we Americans got satalites to do the survailence now! We Americans got to be fair to the rats of the planet, now.
The rats could spy on us! They didn't have satalites. A global equilibrium was soon in place far more valuable than US national security! Who was the DNC to question Jimmy Carter?
President Bush did the best he could with what he could know under the circumstances.
Lesson learned... An active human intelegence capability can bring clearity to a situation which could avoid actual warfare. Jimmy Carter didn't think so. A terrible price was paid.
I hear Carter makes nice houses now.But then again....
Posted By: Rogue100 @ 06/29/2008 2:08:04 PM

Comment: Click on the "Phase 2" link in the above article, then go to page 164 of the report (page 165 of the document and read.

Liberals will cry their little eyes out..
Posted By: Rogue100 @ 06/29/2008 2:04:46 PM

Comment: This is such old news it's laughable to even call it "news". GlobalSecurity .org published these intelligence flaws in 2005...here's an excerpt:
Lacking reliable data about Iraq's programs, analysts' starting point was Iraq's history--its past use of chemical weapons, its successful concealment of WMD programs both before and after the Gulf War, and its failure to account for previously declared stockpiles. The analysts' operating hypothesis, therefore, was that Iraq probably still possessed hidden chemical and biological weapons, was still seeking to rebuild its nuclear weapons program, and was seeking to increase its capability to produce and deliver chemical and biological weapons. This hypothesis was not unreasonable; the problem was that, over time, it hardened into a presumption. This hard and fast presumption then contributed to analysts' readiness to accept pieces of evidence that, even at the time, they should have seen as seriously flawed.

If you were President, what would you have done? Waited to see if the intelligence was flawed? Thanks to the Clinton-Toricelli rule, intelligence was flawed -- get over it.
Posted By: Donulvi @ 06/29/2008 11:56:26 AM

Comment: If Saddam had been a real leader and complied with all the UN requests made to him the world wouldn't have had to decide weather he was telling lies or not. What did you guys expect you administration to do? wait to see what happened next. I don't approve of the Iraq or Afghan wars but at the end of the day it took real balls for your president to exagerate the truth and deceive the American public in order to save them from an impeding disaster.
The attacks of 9/11 didn't just kill people, they also enboldened wannabe martyrs and tyrants into considering their own attacks on America as well as telling some of your so called friends (by necessity) that you were ripe for destruction. Those in the American congress and the house of representatives would do themselves and America a favor if they left things alone. For sure by attacking Saddam, The Taliban and Al-qaeda your president killed thousands of Iraqis, Afghans and a few thousand American soldiers but in the end he most likely saved millions of you guys. If the world ever finds out that you lied and cheated to involve them in some kind of unjust war they're going to come back at you with a real nasty mind set and there'll be nothing you can do then. They'll most likely embargo your economy and convert all their money to the Euro. Have you thought of that.
Your politicians should leave things well enough alone and concentrate on just ending the war, not on starting more trouble you can ill afford in your current economic situation.
Posted By: Trooper101st @ 06/20/2008 10:22:08 AM

Comment: Part of the problem was the Pentagon was in bed with vermin like Chalabi, who would have said ANYTHING in order to have Saddam removed so he could try and seize power. The Iraqi people didn't go for it, and now he is with his masters, the Iranians. So many unreliable sources, didn't it raise any red flags? We, the people, and the Congress and Senate were fed unreliable and false intel. Only when they hold our "leaders" accountable, and put them in jail will things change. The day after 9/11 hawks like Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfowicz wanted to strike at Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, so it was in thier minds from then they wanted to invade Iraq. They did, and thier post-Baghdad plan was non-existent, telling the US populace our boys would be greeted as liberators. They had incompetent people running the show, and that reflects on the PRESIDENT. Only after Gen. Petraeus and his team took command did things start to change. It had nothing to do with our INCOMPETENT CINC and his cadre.
Posted By: neverendingBS @ 06/19/2008 6:29:07 PM

Comment: To RevWright:

Your lack of intelligence is only matched by the lackof intelligence discussed in this article. The premise of the article was that intelligence was made up, not independently verified, absurd or totally lacking in foundation - pretty much like your comments. The administration was hell bent on making sure another 9/11 didn't happen, and they were going to ignore any constitutional provision, break any law, and ignore any dissenting opinion or facts that stood in their way. The only good that will come from the absolutely arrogant incompetence of this administration is that the American people, as uninformed as they usually are, are finally realizing the damage caused by Cheney's neocon philosophy and will not vote for four more years of the same BS. Swallow that one Sweetie.

Just another post from a whining liberal (and proud of it).
Posted By: Trooper101st @ 06/17/2008 10:20:29 AM

Comment: We got lied to about Iraq. Unreliable sources, a rat like Chalabi stoking the fire for his own personal gain, and an Administration that was hell bent on invading Iraq. It was based on lies, fabrication. American public mislead about Iraq. Total mismanagement of the Iraq theatre, while the REAL enemy was in A-stan. Thanks Mr. Bush-FOR NOTHING. A co. 327-1st BCT, 101st Airborne
Posted By: Nins @ 06/16/2008 11:59:15 PM

Comment: Dear One, I agree with you about the horrible social conditions in Iran. I have two things to say about that. One is, Americans need to be VERY CAREFUL not to let the religious right wing take over the Supreme Court, considering that Iran shows you what it really looks like when a nation fails to separate church and state. The second point is that WE, the USA, put those nut jobs in power by placing the Shah in power then controlling his government as a puppet, which infuriated the Iranian people. The Iranian people rebelled against such imperialism, and in the middle of this secular political rebellion, the Ayatollahs seized power. Not to mention the very cogent fact that WE, the USA, gave Iran their first nuclear reactor. Oh, yeah. We forgot all about that. Now we are threatening to bomb them for possessing technology that WE gave them?

And what is all this nonsense about Iran attacking Israel? Iran has been at war with Iraq for decades, and never succeeded in even taking over a neighboring province. How are they going to fight a long distance war with Israel? Iran does NOT have significant military force to back up a nuclear strike, even if it were stupid enough to indulge in one, even if it already had the warheads, which it does not.

And ask yourself, who has strengthened the religious fanatics that control Iran? The USA. First, we give them nuclear power, then we set up conditions for the Ayatollahs to seize power, then we plunge Iraq into civil war and destroy Iraq's infrastructure, which effectively disables Iran's greatest enemy. Furthermore, Bush refuses to have diplomatic relations, only worsening the situation. And McCain threatens to bomb Iran, which is even stupider (and much more real) than Iran threatening to bomb Israel. We have no one but ourselves to blame for the horrible situation in the middle east.

VOTE FOR OBAMA to end all this needless drama.
Posted By: CoastalGal @ 06/15/2008 4:29:06 PM

Comment: Again, as usual, governing bodies and allies are trying to deflect blame, pass the buck, shift responsibility or
claim down right ignorance of the facts. We as Americans need to wake up and smell the coffee, latte, cappucino or chai tea...whatever is your poison and realize that we are just as responsible for keeping our heads in the sand as they are for orchestrating this illegal and amoral war. There are some of us in this country, who knew in our hearts from get go, that this war was not about 9/11, democracy or freedom. For those of us who declined to jump to conclusions and not enter into a mob mentality of revenge and hate. This admin. ochestrated the findings, used 9/11 as a platform and played on the fears and greif of the american people, and we allowed it to happen without question. A philosopher once said, " create a climate of fear, create a crisis or threat and poeple will be more than willing to give up their own civil liberties and rights as well as those of others. Abraham Lincoln once said, " Any man can stand up to adversity and overcome, but give a man power and you will see his true colors." I think we've seen a whole kaleidascope of corruption, greed, powerplays and malicious intentional deceit to look very closely at ourselves as a society and as a nation. So, if you want answers, start lookin in the mirrors at your ownselves for being silent sheep and complicitors.
Posted By: madisonhack @ 06/15/2008 10:55:10 AM

Comment: The big problem, as I see it, is that Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Democratically controlled Congress have given tacit approval to the war, rendition, illegal wiretapping, etc., etc.,...that is why impeachment is and has been off the table since Pelosi took office. There will be no self incriminating investigations for Ms. Pelosi, even if it means impeaching an entire Administration that desperately needs it.
- Posted By: mywitzend @ 06/16/2008 5:21:03 AM
  
  Comment: Finally...someone acknowledges the subject of impeachment. If those idiots had been impeached years ago, what a different world it would be now. I continue to be astonished that the "news" media has ignored the 35 Articles of Impreachment that was brought to the Senate floor last week. This is not a joke. If anyone ever deserved impeachment for undermining our Democratic principles, it is this bunch in the White House. Wake up people!
- Posted By: mywitzend @ 06/16/2008 5:17:13 AM
  
  Comment: Finally...someone acknowledges the subject of impeachment. If those idiots had been impeached years ago, what a different world it would be now. I continue to be astonished that the "news" media has ignored the 35 Articles of Impreachment that was brought to the Senate floor last week. This is not a joke. If anyone ever deserved impeachment for undermining our Democratic principles, it is this bunch in the White House. Wake up people!
Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/14/2008 8:47:35 PM

Comment: Such a good "Christian" country like us, proud of sending troops into a poor third-world country to bomb the hell out of 'em, so sure of a fast 'victory" and declaring "Mission Accomplished" prematurely.

No wonder Bush was egged at his inauguration. I'm sorry but too bad someone didn't lob something worse in his direction then. We at least wouldn't have millions of refugees, dead and maimed on our collective conscious. Not to mention all the deaths involved in 9/11. I blame the Republicans for this breach of security - they were too busy impeaching Clinton to focus on national security, apparently.

What a load of clowns.
Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/14/2008 8:43:35 PM

Comment: And Bin Laden is still running free.

What kind of awful, corrupt politiians do we have in Washington? It'll be a cold day in hell before I EVER vote for another Republican.
Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/14/2008 8:40:03 PM

Comment: And because of Bush Administration's "mistake" now millions of Iraqis are homeless, displaced and with no likelihood of being able to return to their home country in the near to distant future. Apart from the hundreds of thousands of untold Iraqi lives taken by our flawed judgment and stupid middle east policies, we're also responsible for maiming possibly millions in the wake of our air attacks. Our reputation, credibility and respect around the world has been destroyed.

Was it worth the so-called "legal" machinations that James Baker took on behalf of his good buddy Bush Sr. to see that Bush Jr. was put in place for an eight-year regime?

Obviously, we didn't even secure the oil in Iraq either - production is not even what it was under Saddam Hussein's regime. Bush, Saddam, what is the difference?

Someone please tell me why we want to build 50 "stations" (including embassies and military posts) in Iraq? The British failed in the early 20th C to gain any foothold in this country - why is the stupid Bush Administration even bothering - we speak even less Arabic than the British Empire officials did back then. And at least they had Gertrude Bell. She'd be turning over in her grave if she knew of the dstruction and havoc we've wreaked -- all for naught. It's not a war that we can "win" in the conventional sense and we've totally messed up the country and its inhabitants in our effort to take over a sovereign nation.

Shame on America. Bad Karma - Bush.
Posted By: guard @ 06/14/2008 4:18:08 PM

Comment: bush is the one in charge,if there is faulty intellegence he should chk it out.150 inspectors in Baghdad
told him there were no wmds.Up to 1000000 people have died(many innocent women and children)
because of bush's wars.One Iraqi father told of his kids screaming and running around the house
during the bombing of their neighborhood.bush has a cold heart.
Posted By: adirondack_1 @ 06/14/2008 12:45:23 AM

Comment: Just overlook all the other reasons for toppling the regime. There are many and include the statement by Saddam declaring war on the US for ousting him from Kuwait, the stalemate of inspections and the outright bribes designed to get sanctions lifted so he could begin to treat his people like the benevolent SOB that ought to have whipped some sense into you squeeling liberal crybabies.
- Posted By: raddave @ 06/14/2008 1:32:02 AM
  
  Comment: I do not remember Saddam ever "declaring war" on the U.S., but lets say he did. He had no means of actually fighting one with us. His miltary was effectively disabled after the first Gulf War. And yes, all of the reasons you mentioned for toppling Saddam should be overlooked because the reason we invaded Iraq was to get rid of their WMDs which no longer existed. The "stalemate" with inspections was because Saddam suspected, rightly so, that there were CIA agents on the inspection teams.
  
  Us "liberal crybabies" as you called us do believe in a war, when it is just. No one is saying that we should have never invaded Afghanistan, which is where the real "war on terror" is being fought.
  
  Yes, Saddam was an evil tyrant, who terrorized his own people. But, there are many tyrants in the world that we do not seem interested in ousting from power. As you right-wing nutjobs said when we sent peacekeepers into Bosnia, "the U.S. is not the world police".
Posted By: time2live @ 06/13/2008 1:17:27 AM

Comment: they both should be impeached for crimes against humanity, at the very least..
they also both should be removed from office, everything was a lie, from the very beginning. they cheated their way into the presidency in 2000, don't you think it's a little strange that for the first time in history, the votes took 2 months to count, were counted over and over, and the problem ended up being in Florida, where his brother works? how do we even know that 9/11 was real? how do we know for sure it wasn't a big act? we can't trust what the CIA says, look how much they've hidden from America already, they know EXACTLY what's happening, there's nothing we're asking that they don't know about - or have known about for the past 5, 10 years. they should be punished....they probably are also working with the same people who assassinated JFK and ML King, Jr. They deserve nothing better than corporal punishment
Posted By: mjkittredge @ 06/12/2008 10:29:44 PM

Comment: It amazes me that Clinton gets impeached for lying about a bl0wjob, yet Bush and his cronies get ZERO consequences except the majority of Americans and the world hating them. All the republicans who lined up to pillory Bill back during that scandal now demure about taking Bush to task. Don't let this war criminal and his accomplices off the hook. Punish these liars and crooks to the fullest extent of the Law.

Or are we a country that only punishes minor indiscretions with women, rather than disastrous deception on a world scale?
Posted By: carolandjohnboyle @ 06/12/2008 3:44:29 PM

Comment: No news here. The intelligience was wrong. We ALL get that. This article is just another rehash of the same new we have been hearing for three years. Regardless of how you felt about the war, is it not time to secure Iraq, bring our troops home safe, and work on making our county strong for our kids. Or, we could just keep crying about WMD and singing "Bush lied people died" like four year olds.
- Posted By: raddave @ 06/13/2008 9:26:46 PM
  
  Comment: So we should just pretend like this sad episode never happened? It is time that we admit to ourselves that this war was based on falsehoods at the best and lies at the worst, bring out troops home and work on making our country stong for our kids.
Posted By: C. MacLean @ 06/12/2008 1:08:35 PM

Comment: Somehow, I'm reminded of John McCain's story of his POW captivity and torture by the Viet Cong, when he finally "broke" - pressed for the names of his comrades in arms, he gave up the names of the Minnesota Viking defensive line.

Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice knew damn well there were no weapons of mass destruction; they lied, pure and simple, and used some low-level terrorist wannabe's tortured "confession" to justify their actions, setting up Powell and the rest of us.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Gonzalez should be tried by the international community for war crimes. They supported the flagrant disregard of the Geneva Convention by allowing and encouraging torture, they invaded a country they knew was not a threat to our physical safety, lied to the American people and the rest of the world about both, and are directly responsible for death of 4000+ American servicemen and women, not to mention thousands of innocent Iraqis.

Bush and Cheney should be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and maybe even treason, for their completely incompetent handling of the war in Iraq, which didn't need to occur, and the war In Afghanistan, which did need to occur but was ignored and abandoned before any true victory could be achieved.

Unfortunately, none of the above will happen. And sadly, all of this was predictable.
Posted By: RUNUKINFUTS @ 06/12/2008 11:00:34 AM

Comment: DEAR FELLOW HUMANS(?),

WAKE UP!
Posted By: RUNUKINFUTS @ 06/12/2008 10:59:30 AM

Comment: DEAR FELLOW HUMANS,
WAKE UP!
Posted By: ikez78 @ 06/12/2008 8:27:57 AM

Comment: Another disgusting, DNC parroting, hyper partisan episode of cherry picking facts by leaving out the hundreds of members of Saddam's regime who ADMITTED they assisted al Qaeda (see www.regimeofterror.com) in your never ending attempts to install liberal Democrats into power.

You people are as dishonest and partisans as anything I have every seeen from an already liberal mainstream press. You are an absolute disgrace.
- Posted By: madisonhack @ 06/15/2008 11:19:38 AM
  
  Comment: Liberal mainstream press? Five of the largest multi-national corporations in the world own ALL of the news services in the United States now. Are you saying that the same money that moves through ABC, CBS, and Lockheed is liberal when it comes to the news and conservative when it comes to selling war? Your head is up your ass, friend.
- Posted By: raddave @ 06/13/2008 9:09:36 PM
  
  Comment: The CIAs and the ISG reports both said there was NO link between Saddam Hussein's regime and Al Qaeda. Why would Saddam support Al Qaeda, when one of Al Qaeda's goals is to overthrorw secular governments, Like Saddams was, and replace it with an Islamic regime. I wish you right wing nutjobs would stop trying find a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda and admit that our Government was wrong about its reasons to invade Iraq.
- Posted By: klebrun @ 06/12/2008 5:20:00 PM
  
  Comment: My God!!! The CIA, the 911 Commission and every other credible source does not have this information? How did a right wing blogger get this info when nobody else did? Must be brilliant. Got to rush this off to the NYTimes, the WSJ, Fox News, etc. And, oh, don't forget Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Coulter.
Posted By: max05 @ 06/12/2008 2:11:45 AM

Comment: Thank you for this article. Our President and V.P. wanted this war so badly that they were derilict in their duty - to double and tripple-check intelligence that would lead our country into war. This was a deeply irresponsible betrayal of the American people. Why is Congress refusing to impeach them, when their own findings show how these two leaders defiled their high offices? Impeachment hearings are the only sane response to this.
Posted By: max05 @ 06/12/2008 2:07:16 AM

Comment: Thank you for this article. It looks like the administration was searching for ways to justify this war so desperately that they were derilict in their duty to double-check the intelligence. That would have been the consciencious, responsible, moral thing to do. But their blood lust - or whatever other true motive they had for the invasion - trumped their duty to faithfully execute their duties. Considering the consequences - many of which were accurately predicted by moderate voices, yet also ignored by Bush and Cheney - they both need to be impeached. It's the only sane response of a nation betrayed to such depth by its President and V.P. How can Congress know, and even PRODUCE, these findings and still refuse to impeach?
Posted By: fightthetheocracy! @ 06/11/2008 11:35:58 PM

Comment: He didn't have to do anythig about Saddam. the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia and Egypt. It had nothing to do with 9/11. And as for an Al-Queda connection, why don't you ask bin Laden what he thought of Saddam. Bush told us he was working with bin Laden, that was a lie. Your just letting him off the hook becuase he is a member of your party. If a democrat had screwed up this bad, you would have demanded his impeachment the next day.
Posted By: daveatx @ 06/11/2008 8:47:51 PM

Comment: So once again, another investigation proves that neither the president, the vice president, or ANY major player in the administration in the run up to the war "lied" as so many liberals have continually bleated for years now. What is confirmed, yet again, is "...most of the Bush administration's claims were 'substantiated' by some internal intelligence-community reports." That some intelligence reports were questioned as to the credibility of the source shouldn't surprise anyone....intelligence gathering is an art, not a science, and if you who a report to two different intelligence experts, one will find it truthful, one will not. What the president HAD to do in a post-911 world was err on the side of caution, and take Saddam out. Bravo Zulu, Mr. President, you've been vindicated once again.
Posted By: daveatx @ 06/11/2008 8:47:22 PM

Comment: So once again, another investigation proves that neither the president, the vice president, or ANY major player in the administration in the run up to the war "lied" as so many liberals have continually bleated for years now. What is confirmed, yet again, is "...most of the Bush administration's claims were 'substantiated' by some internal intelligence-community reports." That some intelligence reports were questioned as to the credibility of the source shouldn't surprise anyone....intelligence gathering is an art, not a science, and if you who a report to two different intelligence experts, one will find it truthful, one will not. What the president HAD to do in a post-911 world was err on the side of caution, and take Saddam out. Bravo Zulu, Mr. President, you've been vindicated once again.
- Posted By: RevWright @ 06/17/2008 7:14:01 PM
  
  Comment: I was wondering if anyone else caught that. A panel of 7 democrats and 2 republicans spent thousands of man hours and once again the democratic house and congress have managed to waste untold hundreds of thousands of dollars only to once again come to the conclusion: most of the Bush administration's claims were 'substantiated' by some internal intelligence-community reports." But yet the whining liberals still want to know why they haven't been impeached. Hmmm I guess it would be pretty hard for some of you to figure that out wouldn't it. I wonder how much more campaigning for the idiot in the empty suit our dear congressman and senators are going to waste our taxpayer dollars on. Instead of wondering why Bush and Cheney haven't been impeached maybe maybe you should read Obama's book again. Especially the part where he credits the Kennedy's with making it possible for his father to come to America. His new sequel will be how his Granps or whoever it was helped liberate Aushwitz. What a blundering fool.
  
  I'm Barrack Obama and I approve this message Sweetie"
Posted By: Pride_243 @ 06/11/2008 7:43:27 PM

Comment: So let me get this straight. The U.S. economy is in peril, our trade deficit has risen to very uncomfortable levels, and we look like fools. Of course this is solely the fault of Bush/Cheney, and individuals need not take any responsibility. Everyone should just blindly send their funds to foreign economies, often $50k+ at a time for foreign automobile purchases, etc., and then not consider the impact of their decision or source of the problem.

The rapid shift of wealth away from the U.S. is most certainly detrimental to our long-term economy and security of this country, but certainly not the sole fault of two individuals or even a political party. Until individual consumers and investors begin adding some depth of thought to their decisions, the problem will worsen. i.e... just because a foreign car is fastened together by some U.S assembler making $9/hr, it's not sensible to write a check for $50k+ to that foreign company and/or their subsidizing foreign government, especially when we have good alternatives.

Surely our intelligence hasn't depleted to the point that we now expect our government to control our individual investing/buying decisions.
- Posted By: madisonhack @ 06/15/2008 10:48:56 AM
  
  Comment: Your assessment of a U.S. auto assembler earning $9 / hr is telling...is that what you think constitutes a living wage is the 21 century, when fuel prices are $4 a gallon? I'll bet a). that you can't live on a salary of $9 per hour and b). that you can't assemble a car.
Posted By: Pride_243 @ 06/11/2008 7:41:26 PM

Comment: So let me get this straight. The U.S. economy is in peril, our trade deficit has risen to very uncomfortable levels, and we look like fools. Of course this is solely the fault of Bush/Cheney, and individuals need not take any responsibility. Everyone should just blindly send their funds to foreign economies, often $50k+ at a time for foreign automobile purchases, etc., and then not consider the impact of their decision or source of the problem.

The rapid shift of wealth away from the U.S. is most certainly detrimental to our long-term economy and security of this country, but certainly not the sole fault of two individuals or even a political party. Until individual consumers and investors begin adding some depth of thought to their decisions, the problem will worsen. i.e... just because a foreign car is fastened together by some U.S assembler making $9/hr, it's not necessarily sensible to write a check for $50k+ to that foreign company and/or their subsidizing foreign government.

Surely our intelligence hasn't depleted to the point that we now expect our government to control our individual investing/purchasing decisions.
Posted By: fightthetheocracy! @ 06/11/2008 7:16:58 PM

Comment: "Why not punish the brain-dead CIA that gave us a "slam dunk" on WMD "

That wasn't the CIA proper, it was George Tenet. And if you think that the senate was given the same information Bush was, you really are a sucker. Keep defending them if you want to, but you cant ignore groups like PNAC and their agenda long before taking office.
Posted By: pwilso24 @ 06/11/2008 5:43:30 PM

Comment: Why impeach Bush for bad intelligence ?
How about Democratic leaders like Rockafellor who saw the same intelligence and believed it ?
? Why not punish the brain-dead CIA that gave us a "slam dunk" on WMD ?
- Posted By: madisonhack @ 06/15/2008 11:13:20 AM
  
  Comment: The brain dead CIA was visited an unprecedented number of times by Dick Cheney and badgered into intelligence reports that were simply untrue. No, the Senate did not receive the same intelligence as the White House because Bush cherry picked what he wanted Congress to see; most of it was unsubstantiated or outright LIES. Lying to Congress is a felony...maybe he could be prosecuted on that.
Posted By: meganodell @ 06/11/2008 5:29:42 PM

Comment: Our countries economy is in peril, our trade deficit rose 7.8% last month, we look like fools to have not impeeched President Bush and Cheney yet, the super power is being watched and laughed at by the rest of the world. I wish the majority of past 40 years, 7 out of 10 presidents, hadn't been run by the GOP army. They have infiltrated everywhere and when Obama becomes president in November I pray he moves swiftly to remove them from power and rebuild our regulatory agencies with human beings versus the corrupt puppets they have in place now.
Posted By: serogerh @ 06/11/2008 4:21:52 PM

Comment: So, the Bush Administration has been prooved to be the lying scoundrels that most of America and the world always knew that were. So, why aren't they being impeeched and put into prison for their crimes against humanity, lies to the Congress and the American people? So, why are the Republicans still protecting this Administration through fillabusters and stone walling tactics? So, why is the Democratic majority unwilling to suport Dennis Kucinich's Articals of Impeechment? So, that is why the American majority (70%+), are fed up with the status quo, and going to the poles this November to vote the bums out!

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