Spies, Lies and the White House

Speaking of ''buried'' , we are waiting for NEWSWEAKS foreign policy and security tag team to get off their lazy ones and deal with the present history now uncovered by a Democrat District Attorney in NYC, Robert Morgenthau, who went before cameras this morning with what was found on a Iranian laptop computer probably left by someone at the UN and discovered on a subway or taxi late last year.[ this was precisely the same way that the US found out about the Kaisers sabotage program that helped launch America into WWI , in the same city and left behind on a subway car by the German ambassador], and detailed Irans nuclear weapons program with agreement by the IAEA that Iran is ''very close''[Muhammed elBaradei] to having its bomb. Nor will Netanyahu grant Obama any more concessions on the ''Road Map'' until more pressure is brought to bear on Iran. It is little less than incredible that the Ministry of Truths chief security spokemouths, Isikoff and Hosenball, are totally ignoring these developments as is a pre-requisite of the present administrations propagandists.

CHALABI really made us look stupid. That swine had his own interests in mind, and used the US military to that end. Its kinds funny that after 9/11, neo-cons like Rumsfeld wanted to bomb IRAQ. Why? Iraq was a target rich environment, whereas A-stan was more of a tactical air campaign. Knocked out the T-ban/AQ with a little over 500 men from SOCOM and the SAD, [CIA] so it was in thier pea brains from jump street. INVADE IRAQ. With all the resources going to the ITO, the war in A-stan became page 2 news. We could have finished them. Now, we are going to pay dearly. The best thing that could happen is the collapse of the Repuke Party. Soon, it will.

Who could possibly be foolish enough to want another four year of this deceitful malarkey!

To thehappyamerican:
Sir, it seems to be very fitting that you are defending a man who's ability to articulate is right on par with your own. Perhaps if you read the article and many others like it, you would understand that Bush and his cronies had the intelligence information stating that Saddam had no WMD's yet they manipulated the information so as to make a case to go to war. Before you want to attack a former President that actually goes out of his way to help those less fortunate, use a spell checker so you don't sound so ignorant.

In response to thehappyamerican;
Sir, if you are going to criticize anybody to defend Bush for his actions that have in fact killed innocent Americans, Iraqis, Afghanis, and many others when articles such as this one and several others point out the fact that they did have the intelligence available to them that there were no WMD's in Iraq yet they manipulated the truth to get their war anyway, please use a spellchecker so you don't sound like an ignorant fool.

Read it. Thanks "Decider."

I hope the people saying "get over it" spent some time in that sandbox, sweating, bleeding and dying for a war that was at probably not necessary to stop Saddam. We had him pretty contained and to just overlook all the intelligence that was not to the administrations liking and put out statements that were as much lies as Bill Clinton ever said borders on criminal. I lost two good friends over there and I can tell you for sure that their families aren't going to just "get over it". The next deployment i go there on i hope to see you alongside of me.

Solid intelegence was unobtainable.Setting the tone was Jimmy Carter who crippled our human intelegence around the world under the laughable justification that we Americans got satalites to do the survailence now! We Americans got to be fair to the rats of the planet, now.
The rats could spy on us! They didn't have satalites. A global equilibrium was soon in place far more valuable than US national security! Who was the DNC to question Jimmy Carter?
President Bush did the best he could with what he could know under the circumstances.
Lesson learned... An active human intelegence capability can bring clearity to a situation which could avoid actual warfare. Jimmy Carter didn't think so. A terrible price was paid.
I hear Carter makes nice houses now.But then again....

Click on the "Phase 2" link in the above article, then go to page 164 of the report (page 165 of the document and read.

Liberals will cry their little eyes out..

This is such old news it's laughable to even call it "news". GlobalSecurity .org published these intelligence flaws in 2005...here's an excerpt:
Lacking reliable data about Iraq's programs, analysts' starting point was Iraq's history--its past use of chemical weapons, its successful concealment of WMD programs both before and after the Gulf War, and its failure to account for previously declared stockpiles. The analysts' operating hypothesis, therefore, was that Iraq probably still possessed hidden chemical and biological weapons, was still seeking to rebuild its nuclear weapons program, and was seeking to increase its capability to produce and deliver chemical and biological weapons. This hypothesis was not unreasonable; the problem was that, over time, it hardened into a presumption. This hard and fast presumption then contributed to analysts' readiness to accept pieces of evidence that, even at the time, they should have seen as seriously flawed.

If you were President, what would you have done? Waited to see if the intelligence was flawed? Thanks to the Clinton-Toricelli rule, intelligence was flawed -- get over it.

If Saddam had been a real leader and complied with all the UN requests made to him the world wouldn't have had to decide weather he was telling lies or not. What did you guys expect you administration to do? wait to see what happened next. I don't approve of the Iraq or Afghan wars but at the end of the day it took real balls for your president to exagerate the truth and deceive the American public in order to save them from an impeding disaster.
The attacks of 9/11 didn't just kill people, they also enboldened wannabe martyrs and tyrants into considering their own attacks on America as well as telling some of your so called friends (by necessity) that you were ripe for destruction. Those in the American congress and the house of representatives would do themselves and America a favor if they left things alone. For sure by attacking Saddam, The Taliban and Al-qaeda your president killed thousands of Iraqis, Afghans and a few thousand American soldiers but in the end he most likely saved millions of you guys. If the world ever finds out that you lied and cheated to involve them in some kind of unjust war they're going to come back at you with a real nasty mind set and there'll be nothing you can do then. They'll most likely embargo your economy and convert all their money to the Euro. Have you thought of that.
Your politicians should leave things well enough alone and concentrate on just ending the war, not on starting more trouble you can ill afford in your current economic situation.

Part of the problem was the Pentagon was in bed with vermin like Chalabi, who would have said ANYTHING in order to have Saddam removed so he could try and seize power. The Iraqi people didn't go for it, and now he is with his masters, the Iranians. So many unreliable sources, didn't it raise any red flags? We, the people, and the Congress and Senate were fed unreliable and false intel. Only when they hold our "leaders" accountable, and put them in jail will things change. The day after 9/11 hawks like Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfowicz wanted to strike at Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, so it was in thier minds from then they wanted to invade Iraq. They did, and thier post-Baghdad plan was non-existent, telling the US populace our boys would be greeted as liberators. They had incompetent people running the show, and that reflects on the PRESIDENT. Only after Gen. Petraeus and his team took command did things start to change. It had nothing to do with our INCOMPETENT CINC and his cadre.

To RevWright:

Your lack of intelligence is only matched by the lackof intelligence discussed in this article. The premise of the article was that intelligence was made up, not independently verified, absurd or totally lacking in foundation - pretty much like your comments. The administration was hell bent on making sure another 9/11 didn't happen, and they were going to ignore any constitutional provision, break any law, and ignore any dissenting opinion or facts that stood in their way. The only good that will come from the absolutely arrogant incompetence of this administration is that the American people, as uninformed as they usually are, are finally realizing the damage caused by Cheney's neocon philosophy and will not vote for four more years of the same BS. Swallow that one Sweetie.

Just another post from a whining liberal (and proud of it).

We got lied to about Iraq. Unreliable sources, a rat like Chalabi stoking the fire for his own personal gain, and an Administration that was hell bent on invading Iraq. It was based on lies, fabrication. American public mislead about Iraq. Total mismanagement of the Iraq theatre, while the REAL enemy was in A-stan. Thanks Mr. Bush-FOR NOTHING. A co. 327-1st BCT, 101st Airborne

Dear One, I agree with you about the horrible social conditions in Iran. I have two things to say about that. One is, Americans need to be VERY CAREFUL not to let the religious right wing take over the Supreme Court, considering that Iran shows you what it really looks like when a nation fails to separate church and state. The second point is that WE, the USA, put those nut jobs in power by placing the Shah in power then controlling his government as a puppet, which infuriated the Iranian people. The Iranian people rebelled against such imperialism, and in the middle of this secular political rebellion, the Ayatollahs seized power. Not to mention the very cogent fact that WE, the USA, gave Iran their first nuclear reactor. Oh, yeah. We forgot all about that. Now we are threatening to bomb them for possessing technology that WE gave them?

And what is all this nonsense about Iran attacking Israel? Iran has been at war with Iraq for decades, and never succeeded in even taking over a neighboring province. How are they going to fight a long distance war with Israel? Iran does NOT have significant military force to back up a nuclear strike, even if it were stupid enough to indulge in one, even if it already had the warheads, which it does not.

And ask yourself, who has strengthened the religious fanatics that control Iran? The USA. First, we give them nuclear power, then we set up conditions for the Ayatollahs to seize power, then we plunge Iraq into civil war and destroy Iraq's infrastructure, which effectively disables Iran's greatest enemy. Furthermore, Bush refuses to have diplomatic relations, only worsening the situation. And McCain threatens to bomb Iran, which is even stupider (and much more real) than Iran threatening to bomb Israel. We have no one but ourselves to blame for the horrible situation in the middle east.

VOTE FOR OBAMA to end all this needless drama.

Again, as usual, governing bodies and allies are trying to deflect blame, pass the buck, shift responsibility or
claim down right ignorance of the facts. We as Americans need to wake up and smell the coffee, latte, cappucino or chai tea...whatever is your poison and realize that we are just as responsible for keeping our heads in the sand as they are for orchestrating this illegal and amoral war. There are some of us in this country, who knew in our hearts from get go, that this war was not about 9/11, democracy or freedom. For those of us who declined to jump to conclusions and not enter into a mob mentality of revenge and hate. This admin. ochestrated the findings, used 9/11 as a platform and played on the fears and greif of the american people, and we allowed it to happen without question. A philosopher once said, " create a climate of fear, create a crisis or threat and poeple will be more than willing to give up their own civil liberties and rights as well as those of others. Abraham Lincoln once said, " Any man can stand up to adversity and overcome, but give a man power and you will see his true colors." I think we've seen a whole kaleidascope of corruption, greed, powerplays and malicious intentional deceit to look very closely at ourselves as a society and as a nation. So, if you want answers, start lookin in the mirrors at your ownselves for being silent sheep and complicitors.