The Obama campaign and his supporters have threatened to defeat the candidates that Emily's List is backing if they do not endorse Obama.
We say NO DEAL! ! ! We won't be bullied into voting for Obama.
The Obama campaign and his supporters have threatened to defeat the candidates that Emily's List is backing if they do not endorse Obama.
We say NO DEAL! ! ! We won't be bullied into voting for Obama.
No one cares. You guys are getting boring.
NEVER SURRENDER !
JUST FADE AWAY !
People who dwell on the pastor angle are the ones who were seeking any excuse to act on their ingrained prejudicial instincts. I doubt you can speak for soccer moms and dads, you can speak for yourself, dig and find out why he makes you uncomfortable and drop the excuses. I bet you always watch Fox News too.
Lets talk it through then, rather than throwing accusations and slander. I did not see every Catholic quitting the church when horrendous crimes against the innocent were known to everyone. That happened over many years. There were complaints for many years, but people stayed. The Archbishops / Cardinals in Boston, Los Angeles and more were known to have protected priests who had been marked for their most evil acts. Do you see them kicked out yet? Or for that matter a flight of Catholics from those diosceses? Why?, because you cannot believe a person of God can be a monster.
In the end Wright is a man, was supposedly a man of God but turned out to be much less so. Christ is Obama's God, not Wright. Do you want to ignore that fact so your argument can somehow be held together? Leave aside Obama many in his Church did not know. Or do you now believe that Church is made up of hate mongers? Get real, and get real with truths within ourselves that elicits a negative reaction based on tangential associates. Are your tangential associates, friends and family of the gold standard? I bet you if someone dug into each of our records we would find someone we would feel ashamed to be have associated with.
Obama stood by him initially believing in God and thinking that Wright was a man of God as so many Catholics thought the molestors were men of God. Then Wright went off the deep end with his lunatic rantings about AIDS and in using his flock to shield his craziness. At that point it was clear that this was not a man speaking because of a past where he was victim to racist prejudices institutional or otherwise, it was clear the man who served as a Marine was no longer the same. He was seen to be a nut job who is no longer a man of God, only a man for himself and his selfish needs.
I love this Catholics didn't leave the church when the priest scandel hit accuse, it really does crack me up. That would be akin to us saying all Black Christians should leave their religion because Wright is a racist, bigot, anti-american scum....Do I think all Black Pastors are that way??? No. So why would I call for people to abandon an entire religion??? I'm Catholic, no priest or pastor or deacon in the church I went to for 25 years ever raped, molested or otherwise hurt any children in our church, so why would I leave my church. If one did or said something I didn't agree with or felt was wrong, then I would have found a new CHURCH, not a new RELIGION.
Come on! Obama remained a member of that hate spewing church for 20 years and countless "sermons". I'm sorry he and his wife both continued to absorb the hate and racial rantings of Rev. Wright even after Obama said it made him "uncomfortable".. Well, I'm uncomfortable with a man that was submerged in an atmosphere of racial bias. Once again it shows a lack of good judgement.
I'm sure that you have always "quit" any group that "spewed any kind of racial prejudice in YOUR life, too, right? You always speak up when a racial joke is told, and when anyone insults another race or culture? Get real.
What Obama's staying with that church shows is that he knows how to separate the wheat from the chafe.
His idea of wanting to bring the races and everyone else together were most likely "born" right then and there. He has seen racial bias on both sides, and being birracial, he is the one who can begin to heal it.
It shows he was comfortable with where he was and what he heard. He only ditched this church after the political heat was turned up and the eyes of the nation focused on him and his choice.
You have your ideas on how he reacted and why but that is just conjecture not fact.
Ever thought he decided to leave his church to help protect the people from the bias reports??!!!!
did you attend the church for 20 years? Then how do you know what was preached there. Are there tapes going back for the last 20 years and every sermon is the same? If you do not have proof of this then shut your trap-who cares about your half-baked analysis. Since you are so righteous and upright and wise-I don't see your name as a Presidential candidate.
RIDE ON!
In the view of many non-Catholics, the problem of priests molesting children in the Catholic church was SYSTEMIC, not an isolated incident or two. It went way up the line. Get real. They were protected and just reassigned, and the corruption went all the way up.
meghan is a confused slanderer, who is just too dumb to understand simple logic.
Or is it just racism, that blurs her reasoning?
No Hitler comparison with Obama today?
You're right but where would you have run as a Catholic? You said you would have found a new church but guess what? All Catholic churches do the same thing on the same Sundays. It's planned that way. Now the person delivering the message might be different and had you decided to move to another church (but not change your religion) then you could have gotten one of those priests that they moved to another parish because of his "activities"...then what?
The point that this gentleman is trying to make is that blacks don't necessarily just "up and change churches because we don't agree with what the pastor is talking about". Let me give you an example...I USED to be Catholic, now I'm "classified" as Southern Baptist (not to be confused with a "regular" Baptist there are suttle differences). The pastor in my church does not believe that women should be in the pulpit, ever. We have Women's Day speakers and they speak outside the pulpit. He believes that the only reason for a woman to be in ther pulpit is if she is putting water or juice on the table for him to sip on during his sermon. I'm a woman. Do you think that I necessarily agree with that? Let's just say not not but _____ no! Did I stop going to his church? Only because I left the state. Had I been there, I would STILL be going to that church. I also asked to use the Church rectory for a gathering of people..when asked if some of them that would be coming were Caucasian and I said yes, he said 'no'. Did I stop going? No, I didn't. Do I agree with that? No, I don't because I love ALL of God's people and THAT is what he teaches every sermon. Doesn't matter your color God loves us all. So what on a personal level he may not "care" for whites, that's HIS problem but in the several years that I attended his church I can honestly say I NEVER heard him say anything derrogatory about any race or our government. Of course I'm still an on the role member of this church and I haven't been there in some time (husband is military) but if I were running for public office, I'm sure someone would find something.
Obama called Rev. Wright his mentor!!! So your lets talk makes no scence!!! Obama sat in that church listening to what Wright preached for 20 years and saw nothing wrong. This tells us alot about Obama!! NOBAMA!!!!!!
You fool. You have heard ONE SNIPPET of a sermon from a pastor who preached for 35 years, at least once a week. If he's "always" preaching things like you saw on TV, tell me this. WHY ARE WE WATCHING THE SAME VIDEO OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER?
Could Obama's opponents have run OUT OF MATERIAL?
nobody's perfect and neither are you. Each candidate has their flaws.
Select one and get on with life-geez people.
Obama, Obana was a typo:(
What do we really about anyone, especially the ones in the public's eye? How much worst can he be compared to Cheney, Bush and others in the current administration. Since there is no training manual for candidates to use, we have to trust God, our own instinct and most that the person we chose will live up to their word. Since there are no perfect persons on earth, there can be not "perfect candidate." Vote or stay home it
Thank you Mr. Fineman. Very good piece. You lay this out well. But at the end of the day it is just another politically motivated hit job over petty mess from the McSame ("Is it Sunni or Shite?"} bunch.
Jim Johnson has a solid background in the matter of vetting nominees. Yes his experience comes with one 'Geraldine Ferraro knock', but he has more than enough hands-on to insure a successful search & vet process. You want some one like Jim who knows his way around Washington to locate the best talent for the job. We need very talented personnel to turn the mess of the pass 7-years around. Obama was not asking Jim to run for VP, nor was Obama setting Jim up for a cabinet post. So why the latest political garbage about Obama using Mr. Johnson to help vet mostly Democratic nominees?
Answer: = Political mud slinging by "Third-Term McSame" groupies because they are to afraid to face Obama head-to-head on equal ground on the issues.
I was very happy to hear that Obama initiated a committee to search and vet VP nominees and other cabinet post. I was especially thrilled because it sent several clear messages.
(1.) The Obama administration would not be jammed as Hillary tried to do when she attempted to force herself on Obama's ticket, effectively bypassing the vetting process and any discovery of all the hidden garbage in the Clinton closet.
(2.) With the committee playing a major role with vetting potential VP's, the Hillary camp cannot put the blame squarely on Obama if/when Clinton baggage and questionable dealings and hidden contributors set off a slew of 'vetting alarms'.
(3.) A search committee for other cabinet post is an effective tool for 'NOT' hiring a bunch of cronies like the current administration. Do you remember the following?
"You are doing a heck of a job Brownie"; referring to FEMA's head Michael Brown after his Katrina fiasco.
VETTING COMMITTEE = NO MORE CRONIES . . . . . and this is the right way Obama should go.
Insulting Hillary will not cause her supporters to come to Obama
Hillary supports should compare McCain' s senate votes to Hillary's and Obama's senate votes to Hillary's. Decide if you will support the canidate more like favorite or less like your favorite.
Hillary supporters are not planning on supporting Obama anyway.
They say they will support McCain before they would support a AfricanAmerican candidate-this is from the polls and blogs everywhere.
No matter what is said, Hillary supporters are looking to blame or find fault, because their candidate is not the nominee.
Nobody has time to babysit-get on with your lives.
Obama is a different kind of politician - sleazier than most.
HILLARY SUPPORTERS: Just thought I'd bring you up to date on a new Documentary being made about the OBAMAs (Barack and Michelle) and Barack's political record and his and Michelle's background in general that will be coming out in the fall. The people creating this documentary about the Obamas are the same ones that made a documentary released in January about Hillary Clinton I hear. One of the names I have who is involved is creating this documentary is David Bossie. You can google him. He has said that given the MainStreamMedia has gone out of their way of NOT vetting Obama that they were creating a documentary that will present all US citizens with hard facts about Obama and his political and personal life along the way to making it to where he is now, running for US President. They have said that it will not be based on innuendos and that what they document will be supported with facts. So that is good. Maybe this will give us what we need which is answers to alot of questions a good many 18 million people have about questions about his life that have not been thoroughly answered for many people that fall into the segment not comfortable for voting for Barack Obama. It should be interesting as it is supposed to be THE FACTS with PROVEN resources and not a smear campaign. Maybe this will put our fears to rest about Obama in the fall. Or maybe it might reinforce many concerns that this segment of voters have about him. Guess we will see when this documentary comes out in Sept/Oct timeframe. Just thought you might want to be aware of this.
Hello again sharenews (the one who said he flicked Hillary off his shoulder). I do enjoy reading your comments. I like Hillary also and she (or other qualified woman) will have a change again in future (and yes it could be in August if God wills - but let's not use negativity to try and brng about his will or not - who knows).
Regarding that documentary, he is already taking your questions on what we dont know about him quesiton by question here. Do check it out at least for fairness and in the interest of TRUTH (and remember I did check out your Youtube vide link once becuase I am always interested only in the truth):
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome
Sadly scarenews is about making things up as he goes along, while feigning objectivity.
Idiot and liar best describe him. Guy insists scratching your face is flipping someone off. Idiot.
You mean smear news!
Our Mr. Stupid-in-Alabama, the racist mercenary in disguise!
The green snake in green grass!
Too bad it wasn't coming out before the August convention. Then we could go into the convention more united, or insisting superdelegates change their pledge to Hillary
You might as well give it up and get behind our Democratic candidate..l..or do you choose to ditch your Dem values and vote for big business and against women's rights and the middle-class? Want a war with Iran? It' could prove to be unavaoidable with Obama, but it's a safe bet with McCain. War is his Viagara. It's what he knows and feels comfortable with, even as he says he "hates" it.
Abused children "hate" being abused, but when given a choice, usually CHOOSE to return to the abusive parent...the familiar. Take heed, America.
First of all. This guy David Bossie, is a conservative idiot who has devoted his career to smearing trhe CLintons, so I doubt that this mockumentary will be even credible. I think you are a republican pretending to be a democrat because as a former Hillary supporter, I would never give up my democratic values out of anger. We need to move on and focus on what really matters
I hadn't heard about this so called "documentary" by David Bossie that is being made about Obama. I would only point out that David Bossie is one who was instrumental in trying to get Bill Clinton impeached over the Paula Jones/Monica fiasco 10 years ago. Personally, I don't think he would waste his time on a factual documentary about Obama. He would have only ONE goal, and that would be to bring down the Democratic candidate. It's the only way McCain has a chance. He CAN'T WIN on Bush's policies.
BEWARE of future slime you see about Obama. If in doubt, go to www.factcheck.org to check rumors. It's a non-partisan place to check them.
Here is what I hear from almost every soccer mom and dad. Obama scares them. You don't spend 20 years in a church where they act like that and practice such hate and we are supposed to believe he never knew what was going on? Please, it doesn't pass the smell test. Just like his association with Rezko. Middle America, in my area, absolutely laughs at the man-crush the press has with Obama and frankly we've stopped watching your networks.
my advice, stop being cowards. why don't you do some research and listen to some of Martin Luther King's sermons. I think you will see that his were far more damning of the US foreign policy than wright's. we've had virtually the same foreign policy for the last 40 years. it has accomplished nothing. economic policy (reganomics) is ruining the middle class.
To "ODELLJONES":
Come on bro', , , try to keep up. Wasn't it the soccer moms that gave us two terms of this national disaster where:
(a.) nearly 4,100 Americans GIs dead because this administration could not wait to go into Iraq under false pretenses , , , , , , and had the soccer moms believe their sons and daughters would be home by nightfall,
(b.) a secretive energy policy (hidden from GAO) that has done nothing to break America's addiction from oil,
(c.) an administration that twiddle its thumbs while gasoline prices go from $1.50 to $4.05 since 2000,
(d.) an administration that consistently provides billion dollar tax breaks to big oil companies, and billion dollar corporate welfare packages to wobbly airlines and other companies; but turn their backs on millions of hardworking tax-paying homeowners and leave them on their own regarding home foreclosures,
(e.) squandered 2000 national surplus and traded it for the highest national debt in the country's history,
(f.) watch an administration tote itself as the "Great Uniter" and do the opposite. We are more divisive now than 2001, and other nations have gone from admiring us to loathing us.
Right now soccer moms have no credibility. They picked a loser - - - - twice!! And ironically the soccer moms are left holding the bag as the Scooter Libby's, Michael Brown's, and Don Rumsfeld's collect their golden parachute checks and leave the soccer moms holding the bag.
Please do not mention soccer moms again! Thank you.
Sincerely,
An Obama Moma
BEAUTIFUL AND TRUTHFUL ARTICLE!! CONGRATULATIONS!!
Hope Hill
What people seem to be missing is that Dems are not STUCK with Obama as our nominee, superdelegates and pledged delegates can vote for Hillary at the convention. America does need a Dem in the White House, but not just any Dem. Say NO to Obama
Hillary will be better as a Supreme Court Justice, not president.
I am sorry for your loss, but Obama is now the candidate of the Democratic party. Even all the prominent female figures are behind him. You need to accept this and move on........Belitling and putting down Obama will not bring your candiate back. Inf act, you are against her wishes and you are not supporting the idea of CLinton having a prominent role in this election.
fool
"If your not a Democrat when your younger, you have no passion..........If your not a Republican when your older you don't have a brain."
Mr. Fineman, your piece makes for an interesting read, or did it! I suppose you'd want Senator Obama to get a no-name someone with no inside knowledge of the vetting game and just hope they do a good job of it. The likes of you blow up and recycle non-issues for your readers, and read splitting-hair meaning into everything. "oh, Jim Johnson's hiring and "firing" means more than meets the eye" Or you haven't heard the full story of Jim Johnson... He was gonna make a recommendation, along with two others, to Senator Obama period!
ALL RUMORS ABOUT THE OBAMAS ARE "SCURRILOUS RUMORS", WHEN HE AND HIS CAMPAIGN WERE DOING TO HILLARY, THAT WAS FINE.
WE PAY IN THIS WORLD FOR EVERYTHING WE DO AND SAY.
Hope Hill
Talking about vultures, that remains me of your (Mr. Fine-Man) reporting every time you, Keith, Chris M, Rachael and the like talked about Mrs. Clinton. Besides this really shows the phony part of Mr. Obama. You and the people above mentioned were/are elitist, sexiest and everything in between.
Bottom line is Obama got rid of Johnson. Which was right thing to do. I also question his VP vetting. Edwards was not a good choice as Kerry's VP. Despite the feeling at time it was. Unless VP candidate brings experience in the Presidential candidates weak spot (Obama's is foreign policy). I expect a VP candidate to possibly win the state for the ticket. Edwards didn't come close to winning N.C. for Kerry.
Bottom line is, Obama seeked Johnson out
Howard Fineman: oooops I smell resentment beyond the article! Perhaps a Clinton supporter!
Remember, the Clintons wanted a dirty fight and Obama didn't!
The american people have come to hate lobbyists and other normal WashDC events like special favors!
Obama was 100% right to dump the guy!
Fineman was slobbering in his support of Obama all throughout the primary season.
obama is the manufactured candidate. and he seems not to know it yet. he is the tool .and the users of that tool are starting to take their rightfful place as his owner. as a man he is a fool. as a fool he is very dangerous. as a fool he listens as they whisper in his ear about his greatness and inevitable victory. and he believes them because of his and his wifes incredibly bizzare ego. not black (unless he wants to be, ) not white which he wants to be he is an image created by those invisible hands that are as evil as the devil. we will soon see more. and those that were taken in will see themselves as idiots delight. ..amen
You're another religious zealot bigot. Go figure.
Did you get hit too hard on the head with the ruler?
Let me guess, your compound home economics teacher used heroine chalk and you got to clap the erasers.
"Hip-hop flick of his finger"?????Excuse me? Does anyone else find this offensive?
I can tell you're from another generation. So am I, actually. I'm 66 years old, but I understood what Obama meant. Educate yourself before you jump to conclusions and judge someone, please.
I probably that Hillary supporter Zombie is referring to. I dont care what any Obama supporters says (cuz they deny that the finger and the fleck off the shoulder were anything disrespectful, like we didnt see it); but what reinforces what I saw is the cheering of the supporters in the background on cue as he did both actions in response to Hillary comments. So my answer is yes.
Only to those Hill Supporter that saw the "finger flip."
there is no rat like a GOP rat and that includes Rush!
Listen, with no real record of experience to run on Obama has assured us that he has superior judgment which will lead us to the promised land. Except for the Jeramiah he never really knew, the Rezko he never really knew and the ever expanding list of additional similar cronies. It's not about vetting. It's judgement, stupid!! We've got one in the White House who obviously didn't have it. Why in God's name do we want another one?
MIsterharban, if Obama is responsible for everything that everyone he knows does and says, I venture to say that so should McCain be. And if that were true, for WHOM would we vote?
Jeremiah Wright said some things that shocked white America. I am white, too, but the only thing I have a problem with is his occasional name-calling. Other than that, saying that "God will damn Am,erica FOR KILLING ALL TH OSE INNOCENT CHILDREN" is fairly Bibical, if you are familiar with the Bible as Rev. Wright. And while it was shocking for all of us to hear, haven't you EVER thought about how "fortunate" this country has been that all the bombing and devastation that's taken place in our wars has always been in OTHER COUNTRIES...not in OUR backyard? We even have the GALL to say, "We fight them THERE, so we don't have to fight them HERE." How arrogant is THAT?
As far as Rev. Wright's comments about white people causing AIDS, I can only point to the Tuskegee experiement. Please google it, and you will see where a black man who's experienced prejudice all his life, just MIGHT have gotten an idea like that.
As far as Rezko, Obama has never been accused of ANY wrongdoing here, so what's your point? That he KNEW him? Well, John McCain, Mr. "War Hero" KNEW Tim Keating, and was even involved in that scandal along with other Congressmen. So are we even?
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