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  • Posted By: I_hear_the_voices @ 06/12/2008 10:50:13 AM

    I like Obama. I want him to be elected POTUS and govern competently. I will vote for him, even if it comes down to being strictly in lesser-of-two-evils mode. I think he has the intelligence and political instincts do do so. But he'd better start getting a clue about how be a better judge of character on who he hires and associates with, pronto. Message to Barack Obama: Anyone connected in any way to the Washington establishement in general, and the losing campaigns of Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, and John Kerry in particular, should be avoided like the plague. That goes in spades for that ubiquitous Democratic campaign strategist Bob Shrum, a man who never met a Democratic candidate whose campaign he couldn't manage to steer out of the jaws of victory straight to certain defeat and who continues to show up on talking head shows year after year like a bad penny, as if his opinion was actually worth paying attention to.

    Finally, let me put my 2c in on who Obama's running mate should be: Jim Webb (D-Va)

    • Posted By: misterharban @ 06/12/2008 10:57:31 AM

      RIght on! Nothing like a balanced ticket -- a black president and a white southern cracker vice-president supporter of the confederacy (it really was a war waged by the south about states rights -- not abolition). Now that's real reconciliation!!

  • Posted By: Peachtreeteacher @ 06/11/2008 11:15:56 PM

    Jim Johnson was on the compensation committee for United Healthcare, which paid its former CEO WIlliam McGuire over $1.5 BILLION. He had to resign quickly after a investigation revealing backdating of stock options to give him huge profits and basically stealing from stockholders--like your mutual funds or pension funds. The California state employees pension fund is suing McGuire to return his ill gotten gains. His defense is that he was a doctor, not a accountant. It you were just a doctor, why were you head on the second largest health insurance company in America. Obama may just lose this election in what should be a Democratic year, after eight miserable years under George Bush. I will probably vote for him, but not enthusiastically.

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/12/2008 9:51:18 AM

      Obama has shown himself to be lacking judgement and experience once again. Stand alone this is nothing, but it is part of a larger problem

  • Posted By: Johnny at Work @ 06/12/2008 8:27:06 AM

    Personally, I do not want to wait for Obama to throw the county and all of us under the bus because we are suddenly no longer convenient to him.

    • Posted By: mhopgood123 @ 06/12/2008 9:22:15 AM

      Obama did not throw Johnson under any bus. This has been mistated by this author

  • Posted By: mhopgood123 @ 06/12/2008 9:19:27 AM

    This is a non-story as mcuh as the GOP may want to make it a story. If you look at many of McCAin's staffers and campaign managers, many were involved with lobbyists, shady deals and so on. WHat I am trying to sya is that in this day and age, it is impossible to know who is involved in what. I would say a big majority of politicians have had tiews with unsavory candidates. Obama is still the agent of change. Using a well known political figure to help him with the vetting process has nothing to do with changing his message,. HIs message can be achieved once he reaches the presidency, but he needs all the tools and expertise to get there first. Also, Obma did not fire Johnson and I would like the press to stop using that phrase of "under the bus" It is so overused and stupid.

  • Posted By: ronnieracer @ 06/12/2008 9:05:56 AM

    "perfectly legal", yet ostracized by the press. Hmmm. Hopefully he was thrown under the bus in a freshly starched white shirt. Too bad Obama can't wave a finger and get rid of drival drooling writers (press??) like this.

  • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/12/2008 8:56:52 AM

    Mr. Fineman: from what I understand Mr. Johson resigned and was NOT fired by Obama as your article suggests "he threw him under the bus". YOU may want to check your facts.

  • Posted By: 15R8 @ 06/12/2008 8:56:30 AM

    First getting rid of Johnson was not throwing him under the bus. Johnson came by the insiders path and thanks to the greatness of a fair media he simply slipped under the wheels of a little critical review. Maybe the lessons here are twofold;
    When you are on top somebody is going to try and pick the stones out of your foundation
    & loose stones tend to roll under the wheels wether by a little push or when the time is right Judis getting his.
    At least this stone was picked from the "foundation " before it crumbled and brought down much more ruin in its path . As Chaney did ..

  • Posted By: glenad7 @ 06/12/2008 6:33:06 AM

    Mr. Fineman,

    Did it bother you about Phil Gramm's background while he was involved with McCain? He is highly involved with the mortgage and gas crisis.
    Liz

    • Posted By: meghan21578 @ 06/12/2008 8:31:32 AM

      What I don't think you understand is that people realize there are shady characters in McCain's camp as well....The problem with Obama is the level of hypocrisy. He choose a type of person to do one of the most important jobs in his campaign that he has been railing against for the past year. An uber-wealthy, washington insider. Also, only weeks ago his campaign was railing against Clinton because he campaign manager did PR work for Fannie Mae and then they go and choose one of the company's biggest people to head up his VP vetting. Don't you see the hypocrisy??? Are you blind?? This is the problem, if you are going to speak one thing and do the total opposite how are we supposed to have faith in your campaign??

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/12/2008 3:59:12 AM

    Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans??? rights, said: I have been following John McCain???s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is ??? deceit.

    "When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it. Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better."


    John McCain is the classic opportunist. He's always reaching for attention and glory, he said. After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.


    Ross Perot, a billionaire Texas businessman, and a former presidential candidate, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel -- even by the standards of modern politics.

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/12/2008 3:58:38 AM

    Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans??? rights, said: I have been following John McCain???s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is ??? deceit.

    "When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it. Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better."


    John McCain is the classic opportunist. He's always reaching for attention and glory, he said. After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.


    Ross Perot, a billionaire Texas businessman, and a former presidential candidate, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel -- even by the standards of modern politics.

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/12/2008 3:57:28 AM

    Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans??? rights, said: I have been following John McCain???s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is ??? deceit.

    "When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it. Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better."


    John McCain is the classic opportunist. He's always reaching for attention and glory, he said. After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.


    Ross Perot, a billionaire Texas businessman, and a former presidential candidate, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel -- even by the standards of modern politics.

  • Posted By: letha c. chamberlain @ 06/12/2008 3:20:37 AM

    It appears that this is the start of the discrediting of Obama that some leaders said would soon happen to him--to relieve him of his candidacy... and to ready ?...

  • Posted By: glenad7 @ 06/12/2008 2:47:29 AM

    Mr. Fineman,
    Since you are pure and perfect, why don't you volunteer to be on the v.p. committee. Your tone implies you know so much more than everyone else in D.C. Your judgemental article says a lot about you, also.
    Liz

  • Posted By: Gettysburger @ 06/11/2008 11:12:51 PM

    Gee, reporter guy, You should know this, if you are a reporter. BOTH elections were rip-offs witha capital RIP. I spoke to some Ohioans who were visiting Gettysburg and they said Demos stood in line for hours and then were told they could not vote there, but had to drive across town. That's OK with you. I don't like Willie anymore, but Bush is selling the store downriver. Care to go too?

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/11/2008 11:12:30 PM

    From the Slate:

    The Obama Standard
    Barack Obama called out Countrywide by name on the campaign trail during the primaries. He particularly criticized the company's CEO for his excessive compensation and more generally "infecting the economy and helping to create a home foreclosure crisis," which he linked not only to the 2 million who lost their houses but to school districts that couldn't purchase supplies and pay teachers. This is the same CEO who gave Johnson his sweetheart deal. Obama's aides also criticized Clinton's then-campaign strategist, Mark Penn, for giving PR advice to the company.

    Now the man Obama has entrusted with what he has called the most important decision of his campaign is wrapped up in Countrywide and tied to the CEO. There are lots of unanswered questions about the Johnson deal, though no evidence as yet that he did anything wrong. But the Obama standard isn't wrongdoing. It's mere connection to the company. By that standard, this is bad news.
    Since Obama has just held a national seminar for 16 months on changing politics and shedding the old insider way of doing things, you might expect that he'd take these disclosures seriously, if for no other reason than to show that even when it might hurt him, he's committed to letting the light shine on his associates. Nope???his campaign has called the issue irrelevant. Double bad.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/11/2008 8:02:27 PM

    The problem with finding anyone in and around government to help in a campaign is that all of them have warts. The press know all of them and just can't wait until one of them surfaces in public, because they have all the dirt ready to wet, roll into a mud ball and throw. They are frustrated by Obama because they don't have anything on him, yet. Let's hurry and get him elected so that he can make them a record to shoot at. They are tired of exposing Bush. Everything that he does is so inept that it isn't even a sport any more. Mc Cain is old hat, cursing out the senators, calling his wife bad names, and such. We all want someone new. Let it be Obama.

    • Posted By: summer1216 @ 06/11/2008 10:48:30 PM

      Great post! So true, unfortunately.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/11/2008 8:32:18 PM

    And besides that, zombiehero, Clinton is not in a political race right now. What difference does it make what her supporters want? She can't get it for them. Unless she is picked for some office. Good idea. U.S. Senator is not what you would call an unimportant office, and she already is one. Lots of talent. We need her somewhere very important. She didn't lose. Obama won.

    • Posted By: summer1216 @ 06/11/2008 10:42:40 PM

      It could have gone the other way. Obama supporters would have nursed their wounds for a while, but would have pulled together behind the candidate who comes closest to representing their political views.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/11/2008 8:42:24 PM

      Spoken like a true Dem, who cares what they want right? Its all about you and your Obama isn't it. Not so much as to what the voters want, you have the nomination so who cares right?

  • Posted By: Tech Recruiter @ 06/11/2008 9:27:35 PM

    Who cares if Johnson has ties to lobbyists? What does that have to do with Obama's campain? I don't think he should have resigned. This was a volunteer position for his VP Vetting team- not a paid posiiton on Obama's campaign. HUGE DIFFERENCE!

    • Posted By: summer1216 @ 06/11/2008 10:40:32 PM

      I agree with you. But as the article notes, Obama is taking a harder line now, because he was not allowed to have nuances in his relationships with others. If he didn't cut them lose, the crowds cried that he therefore had to be embracing them. Which is nonsense, but repeated often enough it must be true, right? Not.

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