The Mythology of Munich

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Posted By: pramono @ 06/15/2008 12:43:14 AM

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  Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/15/2008 4:39:49 PM

  1. Manic-depression is a serious illness whose sufferers have little to no control over its effects, not the malice-driven character flaw that you seem so eager to characterize it as. You may feel free to read the medical literature on this. Also, Obama's never shown even the slightest hint of it when diagnosed by *actual medical professionals*, as I understand it.
  
  2. The Cuban missile crisis was resolved in a peaceful way that paved the way for a further peace between the Soviet and American empires. Its lasting legacy may have helped the Cold War end without more military conflict. It could have been a lot worse - a lot, lot worse.
  
  3. It's quite unreasonable to ask just about anyone to believe that your "IQ is probably double of OBAMAs" when the grammar that you just used to post that sentence is incorrect. Should have been "that of Obama's"...
  
  Honestly, are you a Fox News plant or a neocon propaganda operative or what? Iran is a local threat, if that, not a global one, and its economy is in serious trouble as it stands- just as Iraq's economy had been driven to complete impoverishment by ten years of U.N. sanctions before we invaded. If we were simply to stand out of the way for a few years, it's quite likely that their economy would collapse and that domestic unrest would do a far better job of unseating Ahmadinejad that anything else. The *worst* we can do - and we've been doing it - is to saber-rattle and convince the Iranian population that the U.S. is a bigger threat than their own repressive leadership. The best description I've heard so far of the whole situation and all of this fearmongering is that "if this is 1937, Iran is Romania, not Germany". This applied to Iraq, too.
  
  A major American city (New Orleans) and now nearly a complete state (Iowa) are *underwater*, which is projected to spike gas prices up to 15% past global prices - global prices just shot up from around $100 a barrel to $137 a barrel - which means we may be looking at six to seven dollar gas *within a year* in our own country. Much of the American West is heading into a serious, serious drought. British and Spanish truckers are *striking* over the equivalent of $11/gallon gasoline in their countries, leaving their trucks on the highways, meaning that parts of a bloc (the E.U.) that has generally acted as one of out strongest global allies since the Berlin Wall fell is rapidly losing the ability to even maintain its own infrastructure.
  
  Even if you are a neoconservative propagandist, at what point are you going to realize that even if your ONLY aim is to drum up enough support to promote American military invasion for profit, eventually gas prices will go too high, our tax base (i.e., America) will begin to *seriously* collapse and fail, and at some point there will simply not be enough resources left to maintain an invasion?

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/15/2008 5:11:10 PM

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    Great post, Vigil. However, I am sure that Pramono and Demeryage aren't capable of grasping the truth of what you have said.
    
    As a medical doctor myself, I can unequivocally say that I have never seen any signs or symptoms of manic depression in Barack Obama or in John McCain. McCain indisputably has anger management issues, but that is a character flaw, not a mental illness.
    
    And I SERIOUSLY doubt that Pramono's IQ is "double" Obama's. Obama is way above genius level. I will give you some examples:
    
    Obama majored in International Relations at Columbia University. This Ivy league school requires exceptionally high SAT scores, higher even than those needed to get in to MIT. And Obama graduated with highest honors, which means he was in the top one percent of the approximately 5,000 students who attend Columbia, all of whom have higher SAT scores than MIT students. Very, very smart competition.
    
    At Harvard Law School, Obama was ranked number one in his class. He was number one of all those students, each of whom were ranked at the top of their respective colleges. He was the best and the brightest of the most intelligent group in America. It is a huge honor to be named as an editor to the Harvard Law Review. Barack was not only an editor, but also President of the Review, the first time in history that any black had been so honored. The Law Review choses its editors based on grade point average, writing skills, social skills, oratory and attributes that the faculty believe will lead to being top lawyers and lawmakers. The jewel in the crown of the Presidency goes to the student who has all of those qualities, plus outstanding leadership skills.
    
    Obama is also a Constitutional scholar. He was a Professor of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School, which ranks number four on the Gorman Report ranking law schools. (Harvard ranks number one.) Part of being a professor is being a scholar. The University of Chicago is a "publish or perish" institution, so Obama has written at length as a Constitution, which he knows inside out.
    
    On top of this, Obama has written three books, two of which are best sellers.
    
    And what have you accomplished lately, Pramono?

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      Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/15/2008 6:09:24 PM

      I would suspect something along the lines of "collecting a paycheck from Fox News", though I don't want to be too suspicious. Given that FN's CEO and head is Roger Ailes, former Nixon campaign manager who's done work for Reagan and H.W. Bush, and has been financially connected to our current administration, who's been known for deceptive electioneering for years and years, it's hardly past them to hit up the message boards with propaganda. Honestly, they'd be missing a link in their demagoguery if they didn't hit up their competitor news services' comments sections with squirrely jingoist drum-beating of some kind.
      
      Or he could just be one of those people who've used the Bush administration's reign as an opportunity to have a platform to get back at people he feels superior to and is contemptous of. Either way, I have no expectations he's really looking at the facts I presented. But the post wasn't for him, it was for others that might be following the discussion. And you are right - I think Obama might be the first true statesman we've seen have a chance at the election in some time, and unequivocally support him.
      
      Anyway, keep up the good work and keep thinking, man. I'm proud to see my countrymen standing against the tide of propaganda.

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        Posted By: Nins @ 06/16/2008 1:24:56 AM

        Thanks, baby. Back at ya. "Squirrely jingoist drum-beating." That's good. And yes, the GOP smear machine would be much remiss if they weren't trying to sway the blogs. God, they have some real personality disorders out here in the trenches. Tonight I got accused of being a Communist, a Muslim and a purveyor of sex hotels. Last week I was a black Democrat male Socialist. They nonsense they come up with is pretty outlandish, real Karl Rove smoke and mirrors. Oh well, I'll keep at it anyway.

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          Posted By: summer4077 @ 06/16/2008 9:48:32 AM

          You know, they keep comparing Iran to Germany. Hmm. We could turn that back on ourselves, really, and it would be more accurate. In the years before and during WWII, Hitler convinced the Germans that they were a superior race, that they deserved to rule the world, that every other country was evil. The Nazis spewed evil propaganda of pure lies and hatred to get the citizens to believe that invading every country was the right thing to do.
          Sound familiar? It just may have worked, had the leader not been chucklehead Dubya, and had the American public not thought for ourselves. It's scary to see what baseless lies and propaganda can do. Thankfully, most Americans have retained common sense and dignity and have (eventually) seen through the fallacy of the administration.