he could say anything, flip flop all day long and it would still be okay with the Obama "blind ones". As stil a Hillary supporter who will not vote for a loser again in the general. I am now an ind not a dem as of Wed ater he said he was the winner. I will vote against Obama. Four years of McCain is really not that bad then voting for an empty suit.
Obama's Inflated Health Savings
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Posted By: melodyk1 @ 06/17/2008 9:10:25 AM
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/18/2008 4:02:38 AM
Bet the families of 4500 DEAD Americans might disagree, you dipsh!t! Oh yeah and I'm sure tha families of 75,000 more who would die if MCCAIN had his way might feel differently also, just a thought....but you stick with your 13% of the population.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/17/2008 5:41:32 PM
There that's for citron:
Bush book: Chapter -10-Shell plans to move the SIDEWINDER to the Persian Gulf where Seacat-Zapata, our Persian Gulf affiliate, will operate the SIDEWINDER with another Shell ...
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Seacat Zapata, which was formed in 1961 to do contract drilling in the Persian Gulf for the Kuwait Shell Petroleum Development Company, was chartered in ...
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Bush book: Chapter -8-At this time, Mr. Mandel found, Zapata Offshore owned 50% of Seacat-Zapata Offshore Compnay, which operated the drilling rig NOLA III in the Persian Gulf. ...
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httpZapata Offshore filings with the SEC in Washington for the year ... 1964, which showed Zapata Offshore owned 50% of Seacat-Zapata Offshore Company, ...
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Rigorous Intuition: "My God - they killed him!"Murdock became a director of Zapata in December 1979, while Winokur was a ... which showed Zapata Offshore owned 50% of Seacat-Zapata Offshore Company, ...
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Posted By: citron16 @ 06/17/2008 6:02:07 PM
Thank you for the information. This does explain alot!!!
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/17/2008 5:39:49 PM
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Posted By: olgrumpyman @ 06/17/2008 4:44:14 PM
I am glad they brought up the fact that the system does not work perfectly. As an employee of a hospital system that is switching to a paperless system, I see the problems every day. There is a lot of work that needs to be done to perfect the software and its ability to communicate with other systems. It should also be pointed out that ALL of the additional privately owned ancillary medical professions (O.T's, P.T.'s, Orthotists, Prosthetists, Nursing homes, etc) will need to be part of this as well, not just physicians, pharmacies and
hospitals. Most of these private facilities are small and may not be able to afford the burden of paperless software systems.
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Posted By: fog80 @ 06/17/2008 12:32:40 PM
i dont understand why this article is sort of "accusing" of obama of misleading. someone has to set the wheels in motion and set up an environment to make the transfer to electronic records possible.
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Posted By: citron16 @ 06/17/2008 3:07:55 PM
Clinton's health care plan would be much better, even Mrs. Edwards said that!!!
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Posted By: unitedwestand03 @ 06/17/2008 7:47:50 AM
raddave.....are you honestly in the military cause if you were you would probably know about a 201 File...cause I'm pretty sure that isn't completely electronic...I still think you carry that as your personnel records because it's paper.
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Posted By: raddave @ 06/17/2008 11:14:07 AM
Actually the 201 file has pretty much gone away. The only things in it now are items that have to have a signature on it for legal purporses, such as SGLI forms and emergency notification records. Every other item in our records is electronic. Even evaluation reports are prepared, signed and submitted electronically.
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Posted By: unitedwestand03 @ 06/17/2008 11:59:07 AM
Then why do you still carry the 201 to SRP or any form of mobilization. Why does it contain all the information about your entire medical life in the army.
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Posted By: raddave @ 06/17/2008 2:53:56 PM
And since you said "mobilization" I assume you either were or are a reservist?
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Posted By: raddave @ 06/17/2008 2:46:12 PM
Are you talking about medical records?
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Posted By: e.nigma57 @ 06/16/2008 8:38:03 PM
I have several questions for the editors of Newsweek regarding this story: why is Newsweek simply reprinting the article from factcheck.org without doing any investigating or "fact checking" themselves? I ask this because factcheck.org is not always non partisan or correct. Mediamatters has reported on several factcheck.org stories that factcheck.org had to admit weren't completely factual and/or were misleading and/or misstated dsetails(http://mediamatters.org/items/200802140013?f=s_search,http://mediamatters.org/items/200610300009?f=s_search,http://mediamatters.org/items/200609220002 to name a few). It would also be very interesting to know the political affiliation or preferences of the people quoted in the article. Finally, why didn't you also print the factcheck.org articles that debunks McCain's entire budget plan(http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_budget_according_to_mccain_part_i.html,http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_budget_according_to_mccain_part_ii.html). Let's keep it "balanced"....
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/16/2008 8:51:50 PM
They did post McCains budget about two weeks ago. So why you still complaining? Media only biased when its not in favour of Obama?
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Posted By: e.nigma57 @ 06/17/2008 2:35:47 PM
First of all, I didn't see the story two weeks ago and that is part of the nature of my comments. To your point implying I only think the media is biased when in favor of Obama, that statement completely misrepresents what I actually said and is about as ridiculous as something I would expect from a Limbaugh or Hannity. Far from implying or even suggestion the bias you assert, I made two things very clear, first, factcheck.org is not always right and that applies to both parties, although they seem to err more on the dem side. Second, in light of factcheck.org not always being correct and at times seeming to show a bias, I made specific reference to knowing the affiliation of the reporters because without knowing that, the question of political bias goes unanswered. Beyond that, I question why both articles wouldn't be printed on the same day or at least within a day or two. A side by side comparison would do much to eliminate the perception of bias in the reporting and would provide a much more balanced way to realistically assess both candidates economic policies. So, considering my goal and point were about keeping it "balanced" for both sides and the contradiction between my actual comments and your response, what are YOU complaining about?
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Posted By: e.nigma57 @ 06/17/2008 2:33:44 PM
First of all, I didn't see the story two weeks ago and that is part of the nature of my comments. To your point implying I only think the media is biased when in favor of Obama, that statement completely misrepresents what I actually said and is about as ridiculous as something I would expect from a Limbaugh or Hannity. Far from implying or even suggestion the bias you assert, I made two things very clear, first, factcheck.org is not always right and that applies to both parties, although they seem to err more on the dem side. Second, in light of factcheck.org not always being correct and at times seeming to show a bias, I made specific reference to knowing the affiliation of the reporters because without knowing that, the question of political bias goes unanswered. Beyond that, I question why both articles wouldn't be printed on the same day or at least within a day or two. A side by side comparison would do much to eliminate the perception of bias in the reporting and would provide a much more balanced way to realistically assess both candidates economic policies. So, considering my goal and point were about keeping it "balanced" for both sides and the contradiction between my actual comments and your response, what are YOU complaining about?
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Posted By: jbboness @ 06/16/2008 6:37:14 PM
that's obama. He will tell you anything to get a vote even to participation in ageism. It won't be to long more before the race card reappears.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/16/2008 9:09:01 PM
Race Card!? Is Hillary running again? I mean you said "anything to get the vote" and "race card" those are CLINTON trade marks from the primaries, I was just wondering ;)
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Posted By: jbboness @ 06/16/2008 9:51:58 PM
I guarantee you, obama will be as good as using mccain's age against him as he was using the race card against hillary. Want to bet?
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/17/2008 2:11:47 PM
The only person who brought up "race" was hillary, OBAMA NEVER DID, provide the links of actaul video of Obama using race or shut it. It was Hillary who said "white vote" 173 times in 24minute speach.
God you guys are sheep, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!!! STOP GETTING YOUR INFO FROM THE FOXpublicans...duh!
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Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/16/2008 7:07:34 PM
At least he has a plan of some kind other than McCain who will allow familes to go bankrupt trying to pay for health care....something is ALWAYS better than nothing.
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Posted By: DrMan @ 06/16/2008 8:29:43 PM
Not when the something will result in the status quo for years/decades.
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Posted By: GustoMaybe @ 06/16/2008 9:37:28 PM
So we'll take something that is probably 15% of GDP and gamble wildly with it? But at least it won't be status quo?! Good luck getting your stomach stapled when the law of unintended consequences turns this whole crapshoot into rationing mandated and administered by a well intentioned feckless overweight government bureacrat.
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Posted By: jbboness @ 06/16/2008 8:44:29 PM
Well,I guess you are right. A plan that is misleading is better than no plan at all.
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Posted By: v_gajen @ 06/16/2008 7:40:15 PM
The idea is progressive.That is what matters.It is frivolous to nitpick on numbers.The media should focus on seroius issues where politicians have been misleading the country into disaster.I guess they dropped the ball.No body in the media is seriously questioning the fianacial and economical repercussions of the war or the realistic end game.The administration has been allowed to go scot free even after reports after reports indicate the manipulative practices.Bush has been and is being given a free ride with no one in the media persistently willing to pursue cases of massive misappropriation of funds,favoritism,lack of adherence to the Constitution.They are more interested to be politically correct instead of calling a spade a spade.The article serves no purpose except to satisfy the gloating ego of the authors.What is the intent here? Is there any other competing approach to healthcare.Be constructive.Criticismshould have a purpose.
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Posted By: jbboness @ 06/16/2008 8:42:44 PM
ok it is progressive. Why mislead people into believing it is active?
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/16/2008 9:06:31 PM
Remember both Hillary and McCain wanted to save Americans a whopping 30$ for the summer months by lifting a "gas tax" that would have then cost hundreds of thousnds of Americans their jobs. Now that's "frivolous"...
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Posted By: GustoMaybe @ 06/16/2008 9:34:32 PM
HDavidson once again you know nothing. Stimulus would have been available to those willing to travel largely within the US by car this summer. Thus incenting folks to stop "staycationing". Instead now we have a bunch of friviolous people like yourself thinking we'll give another "tax cut" to working class people and let them spend it how they please. End result is a decline in the dollar and an increase in cost of living to all those strapped Americans who buy imports (see Wal-Mart). But hey at least this time you have a bunch of silly Nobel Economists in your corner. The gas tax is the best stimulus plan going and will have no effect on adoption of longer term green solutions.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/17/2008 2:08:59 PM
Oh sweetie, no it would have destroyed thousands of juobs that that "tax" pays for, why do you think it was basically laughed at. Ther nice thing is, it showed where Hillary stood, on which side of the isle ;)
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Posted By: jbboness @ 06/16/2008 9:49:17 PM
and don't for get to add this years tax incentive to your next years income. Whoa!!! That scary.
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Posted By: abe4600 @ 06/16/2008 8:14:20 PM
At least he is trying.
McBush solution to the health care crisis is "we'll let the market work itself." For anyone, who had a major injury or illness know thats nonsense.-
Posted By: jbboness @ 06/16/2008 8:40:51 PM
bush tried for 8 years!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/16/2008 9:03:20 PM
No, Bush waged war and raised gas prices, debt, and DEATH TOLLS. He did nothing for health care excpt fill hospitals with soldiers who tried to kill themselves, or who were too broken to return to Iraq.
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Posted By: GustoMaybe @ 06/16/2008 9:29:35 PM
So Bush raised gas prices? HDavidson you are completely ignorant and uninformed.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/17/2008 2:05:58 PM
Well let's see, am I uninformed?
Q: Which 2 American Preisdents have DEEP ties with the Bin Laden Group in Saudi, The RICHEST OIL FAMILY IN SAUDI?
A: The Bushes and for over 30yrs
Q: Who's family own OIL RIGS off the cost of Kuwait?
A: The Bushes, it's called "SEACAT ZAPATA the reason for the first Gulf War.
Q: As an OIL owning Family, who stands to make BILLIONS when the price of oil goes up?
A: The Bushes...duh
Q: Is Gusto a tool..."
A: Maybe ;)
Get YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, gas has gone up over 3$ per gal and thte cost of oil for 60$ a barrel to what ever it was 3 seconds ago. Not while the "Evil" Bill Clinton was in office, only since the Bin Laden buddy has been in there and it is suposed to reach 5$ by July.
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Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 06/17/2008 12:49:46 AM
He [Bush] overfills Germany hospitals, and Walter Reid is backside to bellybutton, and Fitzsimmons Army Medical Ctr in COLORADO, with three new wings on the hospital, sits EMPTY!!! Now who is ill informed! Because Bush is ignorant, and could care less about west coast families, selling there homes just to visit there kid on the East Coast.
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Posted By: jbboness @ 06/16/2008 9:46:17 PM
Ok hd, Exactly my point. You get it!!! You really don't want another president to mess up the govt for another 4 years?
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Posted By: trakker @ 06/16/2008 8:35:45 PM
Senator Obama's health care team is either poorly informed or purposely misleading the American public. Yes, we all want cheaper, more available, effective health care. Do I believe his plan will deliver it? No way. One may want to vote for him for many reasons, but solving health care problems should not be one of them.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/16/2008 8:59:32 PM
Well that's what the "independents" working for the insurance companies would like you to believe ;)
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Posted By: trakker @ 06/16/2008 9:38:08 PM
Insurance companies? At first I thought you were kidding but realized you simply don't understand that insurance companies likely won't go away no matter what.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/17/2008 1:56:32 PM
I know they won't go away, it's not about that, it's about TRYINGto set an expcetation, create fear or dibelief to try to intimidate someone into not even trying. I find it funny.
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Posted By: paulte @ 06/17/2008 11:50:30 AM
Like duh, why aren't medical records already electronic? There is no need to revamp the whole system. Most people are satisfied with the health care system as it is. There will always be a group of people which will need govt help and won't be able to pay it back. That's the safety net.
You can't force people to buy health insurance in a free society but you can penalize those who end up getting government help when they could have afforded health insurance. It's called the IRS. Anyone who ever gets govt help for medical services will never receive a tax refund until they pay back every cent.
As far as the working poor, the govt could offer subsidized health insurance to them.
So you have the four groups:
1) people currently covered by health insurance who need no govt assistance
2) people who could afford health insurance but don't buy it who would be required to pay back any govt assistance they receive through the IRS
3) the working poor who will be able to get govt subsidized health insurance
4) the poor who will be covered by a safety net
The money the govt pays for the safety net and the subsidized part of the working poor insurance is the total the govt should have to spend.
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Posted By: summer1216 @ 06/17/2008 11:24:42 AM
It is clear that we can have a health-care system that covers everyone and is billed efficiently for less money that we spend today. (see "Healthcare, Guaranteed: A Simple, Secure Solution for America" by Ezekiel Emanuel.) However, I can see various possible reasons for not presenting an idea this new in the middle of a campaign. Obama has to get elected first before he can bring about the changes he promises to make.
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Posted By: citron16 @ 06/17/2008 11:33:37 AM
Polititions make all kinds of promises to get elected and then once they get elected nothing happens!!!! Obama if elected will forget all his promises just like the rest of them.
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Posted By: Obama Drama @ 06/17/2008 11:29:57 AM
Obama has said many changes since he got the nomination. It is like he tricked people into voting for him on these issues and promises and now he is saying totally dif promises. Iraq being one major- now he says 16 months at least before he will get out- what is that about? His hiring of Hillary's ex campain manger that Patty Solis Doyles? Seriously? What's up with that? She was fired for srewing Hillary - was that a plan with Patty and Obama? I think more than a news plimp is in needed here.
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Posted By: amendment2man @ 06/17/2008 10:48:05 AM
I love the allegorical and symbolic way that the obama supporters express themselves. it accurately reflects their candidates orientation as he also speaks in allegorical generalities.
you cannot get past the fact that obama is of a very Left Liberal philosophy. Most of America is moderate right leaning. He tries to temper his true self(super liberal) to appeal to the majority yet when they do not fall in line then they are labled as "bitter" and "clinging to the wrong issues". well my friend these issues define a candidate and are factors which will be deciding points for those voters. obama is saying that things shich are important to these people shouldnt be??!! this means that he really has no emphaty to others who do not see it his way. I am afraid that this is not the mechanism on which democracy is built.
If 75% of the people care about these issues then who is he to discount their desire for a matched government. super liberals will NEVER appeal to the right of middle majority. The press and his supporters try to deflect this by making it a race issue instead of the true issues which exist. Its not about race it is about; Issues, philosophies as well as obama's glaring lack of presence and experience on the world stage as well as his voting records which are party line all the way(extreme left Liberal).
its not race its experience. the voters are not bitter just oriented diffrently. rhetoric can only go so far before concrete action is needed to back it up. obama is not prepared nor does he have the substance to be President of the US.
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Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/17/2008 10:22:10 AM
Obama understand the roots of the Evils Policy,his very practical solutions and step of the Future of America in long run.You're Smart thinker Obama.Yes Our Country are now being diagnoised with CANCER.We need a smart "Research Team" to eliminate this Problems at its root cause to tackle its existence for ever just not a loser temporary solution.
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Posted By: amendment2man @ 06/17/2008 10:20:15 AM
obviously obama is embellishing and promising things that he cannot deliver. His empty promises and rhetoric can be barely differentiated from Clinton. Mccain demonstrates better judgement due to his presence over 25 years in gov't. Mccain knows the process in implementing policy and it is not so simple as a wave of the hand as obama has promised.
He really appeals to the idealistic non experienced segment of the population who really don't have an understanding of the legislative process. I really think these people think that the President is a dictator who waves his hand and makes it so.
look at the clintons promises in the 90's. we were supposed to have this health care thing done by now! what happened? NOTHING. their campaign theme was also '"change"; The only thing bill changed was the reputation of the US from tough and unbeatable to cowardly and afraid.
obama is a real SALESMAN. Tell you what you want hear, after you buy its too late.
vote John Mccain
HE REALLY DOES SUCK LESS
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Posted By: Micky Marsh @ 06/17/2008 9:51:13 AM
You mean people will be losing jobs to computer, ok as long as you compensate those families who have lost their job because of modern technology
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Posted By: Smuhamm @ 06/17/2008 8:08:10 AM
To gommy goomy How pessimistic are you? How negative about anything that is possible are you? If all of us get involved the above article is possible. We are a creative people God made it that way but many of us are stuck on critizing instead of rolling up our sleeves and MAKING things work by using the creative brain juices that he gave us and the ability to work as a team. Just wondering have you ever volunteered to help someones campaign. Or did you side on the side lines as a referee? I'd rather try anything at this point to get us out of this health care mess.
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Posted By: phillydog @ 06/17/2008 3:26:24 AM
We do not know if his plan will work in the stated time especially since Doctors, major pharmaceutical firms and journalist who maintain the status quo along with a great many political figures, will stand in the way of change. Many of Obamas' policies will have to be hard fought, because many want things to stay the same. We need to purge the systems of these antiquated Neanderthals before change can come about.
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