Obama's Inflated Health Savings

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  • Posted By: raddave @ 06/17/2008 1:36:48 AM

    I am in the military and we have had electronic health records for a couple of years now. It amazes me that the military is actually way ahead of the civilian sector in this. Not only are our medical records electronic, but virtually all of our records are digital now.

    Obama's plan might not save as much money as quickly as he predicts, but it is still better than what McCain proposes, which is a status quo. He says his plan will offer the public choices. I only see the choices that he offers to alot of Americans is the choice to have health care or to support your family. Health care costs are not going to come down until most of America has health insurance.

  • Posted By: Thevail @ 06/17/2008 1:11:35 AM

    I have to say, I'm an Obama supporter, and even I find that he seems to have overstated this bit.

    On the other hand McCain's plan basically deregulates health insurance so that providers can move to states with lower regulation and not have to follow the stricter regulations of states like New York.

    First things to go:

    Insuring anyone with a prior condition,sorry epileptics, diabetics, and children born with health problems.

    Regulations that make it illegal to deny necessary medical care, by allowing the insurance company not your doctor to decide what falls under the category of "necessary".

    Perscription coverage.

    And since McCain's plan involves not requiring employers to provide insurance...guess how many of us will still have it? Not too many once it occurs to the companies that they are not required to give you a raise to make up for cancelling your insurance benefit. So NOT PAYING for your insurance is pure profit for them.

    There are currently about 47 million uninsured Americans. Under McCain's plan that number would likely double.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 06/17/2008 1:18:28 AM

      your on the right track but kids will always be protected healthwise, if not federaly, then the state will do the job, but only kids, not adults. so you got that right, and it will triple!!! As he kills Veterans healthcare benifits except to those he deems patriotic?

  • Posted By: sedonakaren @ 06/16/2008 9:44:06 PM

    So.....what d'ya want to do? Continue adding each year to the 47 MILLION uninsured, who are mostly women and children?

    • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 06/17/2008 12:01:25 AM

      First off - those "facts" are SO skewed it is a farce to keep repeating them.

      1. Some of those "uncovered" Americans are people who have jobs, insurance available and DON'T want the coverage. You know - young 20-somethings who have no dependents and are still young enough to think they will live forever (like retirement - Oh, I'll think of that later)
      2. Some of those "poor suffering Americans with no insurance" are actually illegal aliens. They want insurance? Go home and get it.
      3. Some of the uninsured are homeless people I hate to say it, but it is very sad, yet some don't want to leave the street and change their lives - what next? Force them to get covered?
      4. Some of the "uninsured" in those polls are in the process of switching jobs and changing coverage.
      5. Some of the "uninsured" are part of the large group of new college grads - leaving their parents coverage and getting their own for the 1st time.

      So - how many Americans are REALLY uninsured and want to get coverage? A better plan than "National Healthcare" brought to you by the same folks who are responsible for delivering your mail - is to offer subsidized coverage at reduced rates.

  • Posted By: bighappy @ 06/16/2008 9:46:01 PM

    Not only health records, all other records (INS, for example) must be electonic in USA, like in the rest of civilized world. Under Obama guidence or somebody else - Conress must impose severe money penalties for those Hospitals still keeping paper records after some shorf dealine.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 06/16/2008 10:12:33 PM

      You evidently didn't read my post below. Hospitals don't need to be penalized especially those that are in the red trying to provide healthcare for those that don't have insurance already. Go a head and penalize those that are trying to help.... How about penalizing the attorneys, ambulance chasers, that cost doctors and hospitals billions trying to get monitary awards from bogus lawsuits? How about penalizing patients who don't follow medical advice and continue down a path of health self distruction? How about penalizing Supersized people who want risky and expensive bariatric surgery after years of eating McFries? How about penalizing smokers who continue until they get cancer then want expensive treatment for that? Where is personal responsibility in health care? Why is NO ONE talking about that?

      • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 06/16/2008 11:53:48 PM

        Hmm....how about we sue the illegal aliens who are taking healthcare - with no insurance - and NOT paying the bills...

      • Posted By: jbboness @ 06/16/2008 10:42:54 PM

        I'm sorry. Years ago I had a heated discussion with a co worker regarding the smoking issues. Her view were more in line with yours on that issue. However, she disagreed on the mcfry issue. She refused to see the parallel.

    • Posted By: jbboness @ 06/16/2008 9:58:04 PM

      big, I thought we were a democratic society. Next thing you know, the govt is going to want to penalize you for parking your car in your garage. it is alright when we get to penalize someone else. But whoa, let someboby try to penalize us. We just want everything.

  • Posted By: sedonakaren @ 06/16/2008 9:46:12 PM

    I get so angry because all the criticism that people do only prolongs our INACTION. SOMEBODY has to do SOMETHING for God's sake. Got a better idea, instead of just shooting Obama's plan down?

    • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 06/16/2008 11:50:23 PM

      Doing the absolute WRONG thing is WORSE than doing nothing....

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/16/2008 9:54:39 PM

      Yeah get a real job.

      • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 06/16/2008 11:12:41 PM

        Americans live in the wrong country to get American money!

  • Posted By: maramara @ 06/16/2008 8:23:58 PM

    But you have acknowledge that it will save cost after 5 yrs of its implementation. What is your point? Will America extinguish after Obama? If he puts the health plan and it becomes effective even after 20 yrs, it will be a great burst to families then. Remeber Mr. Man, policies implementation is not the same as baking a cake.

    • Posted By: jbboness @ 06/16/2008 9:41:44 PM

      may he can do it by one of those changes he hasn't identified. You knoiw, change, change, change!!!

      • Posted By: Johnny at Work @ 06/16/2008 11:45:31 PM

        The only thing O'boy has proven he can change is his positions on every issue. O'boy's HOPE is that he HOPES no one will notice. That's the HOPE and CHANGE he delivers.

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 06/16/2008 11:30:41 PM

    Loriw
    what is this word in your post "bariatric" i don't know if its misspelled, or im unaware, which is far more likely, but what is it, or what does it mean, in contex of your post please.

  • Posted By: loriw @ 06/16/2008 8:47:03 PM

    What we have in this country is not a lack of health care but a lack of health. If American's took their health serious we wouldn't need so much health care. I agree with Sen. Obama when he says we need to focus on
    disease prevention and not just disease management. hello, this country is eating it's way to early graves then wants insurance to pay for hypertension medications, diabetic care and very, very expensive bariatric surgeries. What happened to personal responsibility for one's health. I'm glad he quit smoking-at least he is practicing what he preaches. How about everyone quit smoking-it would save this country billions in health care related costs. Electronic medical record systems are very, very expensive for hospitals to impliment between computer systems to run them to teaching all staff how to use them. Hospitals don't have the funds to do this readily. Most are barely making it with Federal reimbursements so low and so slow.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 06/16/2008 11:28:33 PM

      First with no tude at all, what does this word mean in your post "bariatric" i'm unable to understand either if misspelled, or a word im unaware of, which is more likely, but what does it mean please.
      Now for smokers, ya we would save in healthcare 50-75 years down the road, but what of the money for federal and state programs, that are paid for. by our taxes? so with smoking its a win-lose situation and even if addicted, it is still enjoyed by some. getting a traffic ticket for sittiing in a 4 hr traffic jam, you smoke with your windows up, you get a ticket? sitting in an open arena, with some bozo dumping beer down your back, is ok, but lite a smoke, go to jail, while the drunk drives home? Fair? Please. BTW I'm a conciderate smoker it's my cruch my health only as i never involve any other person not smoking. My time and place with no other humans around, but me, ok! If or when my healthcare exceded the limits, I will take take care of my being a burden, in my own way, but will cost you nothing, but my Military burial!

  • Posted By: jrider1019 @ 06/16/2008 10:38:35 PM

    I'm sure this article will wind up on Fight the Smears, Obama seems to be fighting the truth on this one. A great fact based debunk site is despitethesmears.com .

  • Posted By: darrelldk @ 06/16/2008 9:31:57 PM

    I would be very surprised if more than 1% of the dentists in the nation have paperless practices.

    Even as experts argue about questionable savings from EMRs in physicians??? practices, which maintain tens of thousands of patient records, electronic records in dental practices, which only number in the thousands, are going nowhere for good reason: To do so offers no benefits at all - only bankruptcy-level liabilities. It is becoming ever-more foolish to be a HIPAA-covered entity, and the inspections have not even started. Darrell Pruitt DDS

  • Posted By: Rational Poster @ 06/16/2008 8:58:02 PM

    What is "progressive" thinking to one is an empty/misleading dream to another. What is frivolous "nitpicking on the numbers" to one is holding Obama accountable for his empty rheteric to me AND IT IS ABOUT TIME.

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/16/2008 7:57:47 PM

    Oh no...Obama wouldn't do that...that's "old school" politics. He would never ever do that...it's all Clinton's Fault!!!.

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