The Taliban's Great Escape

A daring prison break shows that Afghanistan's militants are back—and as bold as ever.

By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Jun 17, 2008 | Updated: 6:01  p.m. ET Jun 17, 2008

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  • Posted By: R.D.Spedale @ 07/30/2008 4:15:00 PM

    You need to catch the tailban in the United States first still at large,inside law enforcement offices working next to you...and at the News Stations Nation wide they move when you do.and know your system.

  • Posted By: CRDUNN1973 @ 07/24/2008 10:52:44 AM

    This is irresponsible journalism reporting any "sensitive information" to the pulic, which may effect the security of US soldiers. I will admit it should have never been discussed by the US official to begin with, but why publih the story. Why does the public need to know it was in inside job? Why don't we just give our battle plans to the enemy? This arrogance of being better than the opposition is going to bit the US in the @#$! and is disgusting. General Macauthur "The Greatest in US History" is rolling over in his grave. Unbelievable. We should bring certain members within the American Press up on war crimes. They are doing as much to hurt the US as the enemy.

  • Posted By: mohd sheikh @ 06/30/2008 1:15:48 AM

    Sir

    The NATO forces came to arrest Osama and his co-operatives in the case of 9/11 incident. The NATO attack was a clear deviation from the policy of President Bill Clinton who attacked but he targeted only Osama not all the citizens of Afghanistan with such a military might.

    Seven years after the attack on Afghanistan with all the military might only 30 % of the land so far could be brought control though before the attack 10% land was already under the control of Northern Alliance that was given to Karzai administration, meaning by only 20 % land so far has been captured by the NATO forces, with the loss of about one thousand lives of its military men. Over the 70 % land of Afghanistan Karzai Government has no control at all. Now 90 % of opium used in the world???s black market comes from Afghanistan that proves that the Karzai Government has no control on 70% land area. Jail brake under such circumstances is not an unusual incident.

  • Posted By: hatty @ 06/25/2008 9:57:54 AM

    Slaveofsubduer, the US did not help the Taleban - they helped the Mujahideen (including OBL) and then the Taleban ousted the mujahideen when they proved to be a violent bunch of abusers and then the Taleban also bcame a violent oppresseive bunch....

  • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/18/2008 11:07:19 AM

    How short sided the people of America are, and their memory seems to be fading as well.
    DON'T THEY REMEMBER AMERICAN HELPED THE TALIBAN AGAINST THE RUSSIANS IN THE PAST!!
    At this time every American was calling them freedom fighters, now they are terrorist.
    Afganstan is their country, they are defending their country against invaders, just like americans would do if some foriegn force invaded and occupied. Please could someone explain to me what terrorism is from a western point of view since they still have not defined it.
    Oh... I know what terrorism is to Americans, anybody whi does not agree with American and the U.N.
    Human rights from a western point of view though Isreal and China have broken every human right that these idiots say Human rights are. America the "bully"... "hey guys lets go pick on the poor countries who have very little weapons and food." Yet America can not even control a war torn country like Afganstan.
    Spend more money America, send us back to a depression because you don't want to admit your fighting a war, you can't win.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/18/2008 11:27:58 AM

      Terrorism is the deliberate targeting of civilians for political purposes. America doesn't target Civillians and we try very hard not to endanger them with our military actions but we are at war with a fierce and determined enemy whos only cover happens to be people that allow them to live amongst them. I know the average Afgan villager has no choice in the matter but what are we to do?

      We worked with the Taliban when they were an oppressed people fighting our enemy. When they became oppressors we let it slide, when they attacked us we fought back.

      Quit blaming America for your problems. We don't cause them. Your free to grow your own vegetables and build your own huts out of whatever you want the only thing America has done is created more and better products for the world. Our companies are not evil we don't steal from you everything we take we pay for at prices you offer.

      • Posted By: cinesimon @ 06/18/2008 11:06:13 PM

        naive nationalism as usual onepoker.

        • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/19/2008 12:39:23 PM

          It doesn't surprise me you side with the enemy Cinesimon your naive adherence to your own ignorance is a luxury afforded to you by the very nationalist aherents you mock.

          What I said above is the truth.

          By the way SLave the Taliban that was running your afganistan was run by Saudi's and funded by Saudi money. Maybe your oppressor isn't who you think it is. Did the Taliban bring food to the villages or just fear.

          • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/21/2008 4:41:13 AM

            Oh please, you must be sitting in your room reading only MSN news or something.
            The Saudis were in full support of the Americans and even some of their scholars gave the religious rulings, to support their support for the American President. I beginning to think I have been responding to someone who was born after 2003.

            • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/21/2008 1:35:52 PM

              My post stated that it was saudi money that funded your taliban. I was not refering to the Saudi Government I apologize for the poor wording. The Saudi money came from Osama Bin Laden. The Bin Ladin Family is a very successful family from Saudi Arabia that made billions of dollars building infrastructure around the Middle east. Osama has been disowned by the family but he still had substatial assets and it is rumored he recieves some financial support from relatives. I did not wish to imply the Saudi government was involved in anyway I apologize for not being more clear.

              • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/22/2008 2:29:49 AM

                The problem is that your comments are rooted in emotions and not fact. Personally I like to debate politics, and I consider myself well informed and try not to be biast, but you don't even consider the other side of any situation your completly for America even when they are wrong. As for name calling...who cares. I have traveled the world and actually have seen the hate that is brewing for the American country and the american government is causing it's own demise. I only defend the the Taliban from what I have heard from Afgan people. A afgani women who i met in america said she liked the Taliban and she said she always felt safe under thier control but she didn't like the fact that they made her wear hijab. I then asked her "is not the Mulim women to cover herself" she yes we are they are right but I don't want to cover myself. So she addmitted her mistake but she seems to not want to follow rules thats all. And I have met others but that is not the point, you will call them oppressors and I will say they follow a different life style that seems to work very well. Anyways I won't be returning to these comments I am more intrested now in the isreal- iran conflict. Also I saw the verse in the Qur'an where Allah says "they will only fight from afar" it is not a scolarly statement.

                • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/22/2008 12:22:20 PM

                  The lifestyle they lead doesn't allow for any dissent. That is oppression. Your arguments betray your ignorance and prejudice. Of course I am pro american I believe in what we are doing and I believe in who we are. I am biased but no more so than you.

          • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/21/2008 4:45:21 AM

            Why have you resulted to name calling, were you really born after 2003?

            • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/21/2008 1:38:44 PM

              Where did I call anyone a name? when I said Slave I was refering to your posted name?

          • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/21/2008 4:46:24 AM

            Do you not like being wrong and then being proven wrong!?

            • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/21/2008 1:36:42 PM

              I'm sorry but I don't think i've been proven wrong.

      • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/19/2008 9:58:59 AM

        Oh please stop with Red White and Blue speach. America and it's government does not define terrorism because America does the bulk of it. So you still believe the the Taliban carried out the 9-11 attacks and all those people were who supposedly did it were Saudis. Your also saying that bombing entire villages that consist of thousands of people to get at 3 or 4 so called militants is justified, or do you not want to admit that the American and Nato forces are to afraid to go in on foot. That would at least save lives, oh but I forgot they are not there to that. You claim that the Taliban were oppressing, one question for you, define oppression, not what you think oppression is, but what is oppression. But then again you might turn a rock over on America. In the mean time I will be playing with my friends the American soilders under a bee's nest , laudy dah.

        • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/20/2008 1:03:17 AM

          One thing about going iin on foot we do this alot more than would be done if I was in command. Why should we sacrifice our soldiers when we can kill the enemy from far away. Do we owe the villagers anything? The villagers harbour our enemies. If they don't want to be killed by us they need to run whenever a taliban soldier enters their village. I know this is not realistic and I also know our commanders put our soldiers at risk everyday because we don't believe in Levelinig entire villages to get one guy. I don't recall ever seeing the Taliban warn villagers in fact I know of several instances where suicide bombers have attacked American soldiers who were handing out candy to children. The taliban could wait for 10 minutes until the patrols pass the kids but instead they choose to slay and maim innocent kids. They may think Paradise awaits them but my guess is Allah doesn't look kindly on those who destroy the innocent. I hope Christians and Muslims alike would pray that Allah or God would touch their heart with the wisdom to do what is right in this world so we can live in peace.

          • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/21/2008 4:16:41 AM

            You have seem to take a different tone, saving lives is always nice, and fighting wars aiways seems to take them. You know a Muslim I used to attend colledge with told me that Allah says in the Qur'an: "That the Jews and Christains will only fight Muslims from afar". I think you just proved his point in your above statement. I never considered that the meaning in the verse might be refering to jets, tanks and helicopters and other war machines as being "afar" but maybe your right and in that case it would make the Qur'an right. Maybe I should look into this religion more subjectivly.
            Putting soildiers in harms way is not a fare statement, because they are paid to fight for what ever the government orders them to do undiscrimitly, meaning they die doing their job. The mujahadeen(they like to be referred to as such) in Afganstan and Iraq do the same thing they just don't get paid for it, making their purpose seem a little bit more worthy, but never the less soilders die no matter what side they are on, that is the reality of war. So for you say putting soilders in harms way is a naiive statement since that is their job. (Also the meaing of Allah is God and a much older word the then the english word God)
            I honestly beleive the Taliban would dress in normal clothing, so how could villagers recognize them? Second i honestly believe also that the Taliban are poor in regards to money, and don't have the money to spend on nit made fatigues like the american soilders are able to wear. So did you ever consider that the people just might not know who each individual Taliban member is, also the people of the country might not seem them as terrorist but as heros meaning they would keep their mouths shut. I ask you, if America was invaded by foriegn forces and they started calling any american who opposed them "terrorist" would you turn these people over, or would you sacrifice yourself for what you feel is right? American soilders passing out candy and then getting blown up sounds more like propaganda and another attempt to monsterize people to turn the world against them.

            • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/21/2008 1:30:18 PM

              Your Muslim friend was not talking about a verse in the Koran he was talking about a statement from a Religious leader in Islam. The truth is we will kill them face to face but we will also kill them from afar we will kill them anyway we find them.

              As Americans we value the life of every soldier we do not needlessly squander the lives of our men. Our weakness is we also value the lives of innocent people and we will risk the lives of our soldiers to protect innocent people. We could bomb every village to cinders before we went in and never risk a single soldier but we don't because we believe in preserving the lives of as many people as possible. There are times when a village holds a high value target that is considered so valuable our generals order an attack even though it is certain that the family the target is hiding with will be killed and possibly the neighbors also. But these decisions are made with a heavy heart and they go through the highest command chains before being approved.

              The American soldiers passing out candy story is a documented event not a propaganda story if you want to see pictures of the child dying in American arms you can google it. It is in Michael Yon's book the moment of truth in Iraq.

        • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/19/2008 12:32:41 PM

          Be careful with your roadside bombs slave I wouldn't want you to blow yourself up before we get a chance to kill you properly.

          • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/21/2008 4:21:55 AM

            Wow, did someone have a temper tantrem, did not mean to get under your skin, I will let my American soilder friends know of your support for them from behind your comfortable computer chair , hahahahahaha.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/18/2008 7:36:54 PM

      STS - you don't have it completely correct. The U.S. supported the Afgans against the Soviets, but it supported all the Afgans - yes, that included the Taliban, but it also included the current Afgan government.

      But I do agree with one underlying point in your post - the U.S. is not going to win the war on terror by military force. Unfortunately, you are correct - we lack the ability to view the world, and the events within it, from any other perspective put our own. We need to learn to truly understand different perspectives if there is to be peace.

      That does not mean I support the Taliban and what they do, but I recognize the issues are not as black and white as people think. It also doesn't mean I think we should stop military activity in Afganistan - but we should also pursue other options.

      • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/19/2008 10:13:54 AM

        ZZ- I am sorry but I am sure that this current afgan government was formed after the invasion and America stuck there dog...oh i mean Karzai (how ever you spell his name.) into office not on the decision of the people. Also if you ask any Afgan living in America who lived in the contry of Afganistan after the american army left because the russians left. The country was devided by several warlords for several years. The taliban resisted these warlords and took back large parts of the country for the safety of the people. Now one might not agree with them but at least the people were safe when the Taliban was in control and now look at the situation. Americans can view the world from other perspectives but they don't, what they do is view the world on what they believe the correct perspective is and then try to force it on other countries. The only option America and the UN has now IS TO LEAVE.

        • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/19/2008 12:24:32 PM

          Yea the people were safe as long as they didn't send there daughters to school, or smoke cigarettes (it will cost you two fingers under taliban), or a multitude of other offenses that result in physical harm or death at the hands of the benevolent Taliban. We left Afganistan to form their own government after we assisted the people in tossing out the Russians. War Lords were part of the landscape the primary funcition of the war lords was to protect their villages we can't just kill everyone with a gun we had to let them sort out their own system.

          If you want to see real oppression look at how china runs tibet. We unseated the Government of Afganistan because they supported people who attacked our country then we supported a local person that was more aligned with our interests and then we poored millions of dollars worth of aid into the country trying to bolster it enough so that it can run on its own. We could of Just bombed the hell out of the country and then left the vultures to pick apart what was left but we chose to try and save the country for its own people.

          • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/21/2008 3:13:00 AM

            You have to be joking onepoker or really uninformed. The Taliban did of schools for women and if you notice the Muslims in America the hold very keenly to social limitation. Meaning women teachers for women schools, women doctors for woman patients and so-on. To say they didn't allow women to go to schools means you are just another victum of twisted propaganda, that was revealed to to be true shortly after the invasion. As for cigerettes we know the harm they do, If what you say is true and two fingers is all they lost, instead of a horrible death at the age of 42 because they couldn't quit then this is something we should impliment in America. A lot of fingerless people but at least they are still alive, but once again I honestly believe you fell victum to propaganda.
            The war lords were a result of negligence due to the people living in Afganstan and the Taliban removed this oppression.(period. you really can't add more to it).
            Also yes American poored million of dollars into Afganstan then they got it right back, for the so-called protected areas.
            I always wondered if they did bomb afganistan they would not have had enough bombs to invade iraq and that would have ruined their long term trick of fooling the world... oh I mean long term plan of fighting terrorism. Okay, fooling the world.

            • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/21/2008 1:16:06 PM

              "If you notice the muslims of America hold very keenly to social Limitations"

              If you notice the Christians of Afganistan are put to death for discusing their beliefs with muslims.
              The Christians of Iraq are now mostly living in Sweden because they fear being killed.

              In America Muslims are free to live unmolested in our society they can build their Mosques they could stand on street corners and profess their faith for all to hear. Muslims in America are Free to accept any religion they feel is correct after examining hundreds of religions So I would Say Muslims in America are True Muslims they have chosen to follow the Muslim religion by their own hearts and conclusions. Muslims in Afghanistan Had no choice they are Muslims because to be anything else meant death. The Religious leaders of Afghanistan are corrupt and they claim the power of God as their own. Allah will punish them in time for I do not believe Mohamed ever advocated the killing of innocents or even the killing of Christians. He did advocate the killing of pagans if they rejected Allah. But if you are not giving each and every person you kill the chance to aknowledge Allah as the one true God are you not Killing their souls without ever allowing them to come to God. Surely God Created the infidels as well as the believers He did not create them for you to destroy it should be your perogative to teach the ways of Islam not breed hatred in the world.

              I do not apogize for my belief in God instead I pray that he influences my heart to do the right thing. I do not claim to be guided by God for that would be interpreting my will as God's and there is no way to know if I am correct. Open your heart to God Slave ask him daily what is the right thing to do try not to cloud your judgements with the teachings of men. Read the Koran with an open heart on the pages you will see the truth.

            • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/21/2008 12:54:17 PM

              If you think the Taliban form of government was better for the people than you must not care about the people only your twisted religion. The War Lords brought an Oppression to the people and the Taliban brought there own brand of Oppression to the people We didnt get involved until they supported an attack on our country. If the taliban had stuck to bullying sheep herders into not watching western films they could of lived oppressively ever after but because they supported an attack on the United states they will be destroyed. We will hunt them down and kill them until the only ones left are willing to live peacefully among their neighbors. The afghan people are a strong people whom the United States has the upmost respect for but we cannot let religious zealots attack our people.

              If I was you I would hide in a deep cave and hope that Barak Obama becomes president cause thats the only way you will have a chance to live. If life isn't your goal but instead you prefer Martyrdom I recommend you write down your beliefs and bury them in a deep cave so someday an archeologist can dig them up and learn about the dead religion of the Taliban they can ponder the hatred and laugh at the hypocrisy and wonder how a few charasmatic leaders fooled so many people into following them to their deaths.

  • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/22/2008 3:44:23 AM

    The problem that you have onepoke is that you reply and distribute opinion based on your emotion, like when i mention the social limitation was just to refute your comment about women in afganistan that women were allowed to go to schools and that was proven. Then you say they kill christians and blah blah blah. The reality is there are only a small community of jews in afganistan and some fire worshippers known as "majusy" there are no christians in afganistan. 0% christain so you are once again misinformed. I ussually like to dicuss politics but, you seem to just be board and have nothing to do and a emotional wreck.
    This will be my last responce on this article, I will not be returning here anytime after today.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/22/2008 12:14:16 PM

      well its too bad you won't return because your ignorance will be greatly missed. There are no christians in Afghanistan because it is illegal. I know for a fact that christian missionaries have been to the country and have had to refrain from discussing christianity because it was against Taliban Law.

      I love the way you discount my arguments as emotional yet offer nothing but lies in return. You did not prove women were allowed to go to school you stated it. How many women doctors have been educated in Afghanstan? How Many Women Lawyers are from Afghanistan, How many women Business leaders are there i n Afghanistan. Going to islamic schools to learn to be domestic isn't what I would consider an equal education opportunity for women in afghanistan.

      good luck slavetoyourignorance

  • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/21/2008 4:57:26 AM

    Whats next onepoke aman:
    I can see your next response it reads something like this,"I know you are but what I!!"
    A little advice pokeaman discussing politics are for the informed, not the misled.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/21/2008 12:56:24 PM

      Your politics are rooted in Hatred mine are rooted in love we will see who comes out on top.

      • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/22/2008 2:34:07 AM

        Whatever.

      • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 06/22/2008 2:30:20 AM

        Whatever.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/19/2008 12:14:17 PM

    Mc Cain't wants us to surge for 100 years. Whew!

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/21/2008 12:57:41 PM

      Rhetoric silly old man just plain rhetoric.

  • Posted By: americanoklahoma @ 06/18/2008 3:05:43 PM

    America is fighting this war the wrong way and now we are paying for it. We can all thank Bush/McCain's policy of say one thing and do the other. They say fight terror but they simply take away our civil liberties.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/18/2008 9:29:16 PM

      I think its bush/rumfields policy on one hand then MCCain/Petreaus policy on the other MCCain/Petreaus will win this war because they understand that it takes more than firepower to win. Bush has allowed Petreaus lattitude in his planning and this is what spawned the Surge. You can fault Bush for Starting poorly but you have to hand it to him for making an adjustment that looks like its working. Thanks largely to MCCain. Anyone else remember a few months back when everyone was saying we lost the war and MCCain was out there championing Petreauses plan trying to get support for the general??? I remember thinkiing were are the other republicans why is MCCain the only one standing up for this. I did not support MCCain in the primaries because of his left leaning views but I respected his character and his grit for standing by the troops when everyone else was busy trying to find an exit strategy.

      • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 06/19/2008 10:49:44 PM

        You are correct to divide this in to two policies - the Bush/Rumsfeld policy, which wasn't a strategy so much as it was bullies in the school yard, and the McCain/Petreaus policy, which was a successful short-term military strategy.

        However, because there has never been a long-term comprehensive strategy, (political, philosophical or economic) we are still losing, and will continue to lose, this war.

        McCain and Petreaus are warriors, in the truest and finest sense of the word, but we don't need warriors, we need someone who sees the larger picture. Whether or not that person is Obama remains to be seen, but while McCain and Petreaus are valiant and competent, they are military men, and they only see a military solution.

        And in Iraq, there is no military solution, unless we are willing to completely level the civilian population the way we did in Tokyo and Dresden in WWII. Then we will 'win' the war, but lose everything else.

        • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/20/2008 12:45:34 AM

          I appreciate your response but your wrong on Petreaus's strategy he is a diplomat at heart and a warrior to boot. His strategy is too work with the local political powers already in place. He shows respect to the Sheiks and tribal leaders instead of Bullying them. He has succeeded in briniging militia's to our side. He is working to build sustainable infrastructure with an emphasis on the locals sustaining it. What the taliban brought was terror intimidation and hypocrisy. what we brought was Domination arrogance and a little stupidity(firing a million man army). When the militias beleived we were an occupying force they resisted and sided with the Taliban. Luckily for us the Taliban treated them worse than we did so when they started to see we were serious about getting the lights on the water running the schools rebuilt and we were willing to share our medicine with their civilians they came to our side. This war is being won ask the soldiers who are there. I predict in 20 years Americans will be able to Tour Iraq with no fear of terrorism whatsoever. I believe our men and women will be able to look with pride on the society they helped free. Iraqi people are good people they just need our help.
          The Surge is just a small part of a brilliant strategy once our allies were in place we puffed up our chest and forced the insurgents out into the open. The Surge isn't the end of this war its just a catchy headline but our guys are doing the right things and if we give them the time to succeed it will benefit every Iraqi citizen and make the world a little safer place.

          I know that was a long post but thanks for reading it

          Come Obama or MCCain we still need to Support our troops we are all Americans.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/19/2008 12:08:57 PM

    Hello big pink cat. Yeah, the Great Iraq Surge is patterned after the Great Watermelon Enterprise. Two new agricultural college graduates went into business together and bought a truck, went to the fields and bought watermelons for 50 cents apiece, took them to the big city and sold them for 50 cents apiece. After a month or two, looking over the books, they knew that something needed to be done to make more profit, or, as they lamented, make a profit, period. Finally, after studying a while, they both exclaimed together, "We need a bigger truck!!"
    There's your surge. Wasted a helluva good general, Petraeus, on such madness. Big talent, bad assignment.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/19/2008 12:49:06 PM

      It looks like the College graduates got the CHANGE they deserved.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/19/2008 12:16:09 PM

    Besides wasting our treasure, the administration is wasting our good generals on crap. Just crap. What a disgrace.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/19/2008 12:13:29 PM

    The Iraqi government is in the green zone, protected from the public in Iraq. They talked about going on the outside, but quit talking about that a couple of days when another big bomb killed 50 and wounded 75. Who is it who says that they are not trying to kill each other? This is an ancient religious civil war. We are in their way. Surge? Surge? We don't need no stinkin' Surge!

  • Posted By: scottryan1 @ 06/17/2008 7:26:54 PM

    the Afghanistan war must be won, troops from the iraq surge must all be sent to afghanistan asap.
    the terrorist just blow up the jail, to free there men, maybe they are runing short of men or want the people that are not fighting with them any more to show that they are starting to make ground.

    It shows how desperate they are, they need more men to fight with them, they freed the men to get more numbers, & to try get the terrorist that have seen the allied forces start to win the war, that they are fighting back trying to get the men that wonted out, back into the Taliban.
    Desperate times men desperate mashies, you no??????.
    I real think they have heaps of numbers left, but can see what is happing , and need to try change tactics if they are to win.
    But its to late for the Taliban , game over. Iraq war is going so good, soon 10 of thousands of the troops from Iraq, will be heading to Afghanistan from Iraq.
    I think you will see a new plan like the surge, mixed with new tactics to deal with all the terrorist in the caves as well.
    Bush is to afraid to take troops out off Iraq, but he should, the war is one, the Iraq army in now in good hands, they only need 10 of thousands of troops to stay near Basra / sadar city, every where eals will be ok, its time for the Iraq troops to spread out across the country, and us troops stay near hi risk places, like Basra / sadar city, the only places that could re start a half big war again.
    But after they build the cement wall all the way around sadar city, its game over, once they have finished building it, it will stop any weapons getting inside the cement wall, there for if the terrorist started to fight, there weapons would run out in weeks, if that, because the Iraq army is now going home to home inside the wall to take away all weapons. The war in sadar city is over..
    The only thing the Iraq army needs is air seaport???.
    The American should send 40,000 troops to Afghanistan right now, and really crush the terrorist /Taliban, as fast as they can, with most of the tactics they used in Iraq, along with other new tactics.

    • Posted By: Bmoreyourmyhome @ 06/18/2008 9:26:22 PM

      Question: Are you an American and are you signing up? Answer: No

  • Posted By: diggerwolf @ 06/17/2008 11:25:11 PM

    olderwiser, please remember that "these people" not only want to kill each other, but they also want to kill you and all your family & friends. Also, they have followed us home before, on 9/11/2001.

    • Posted By: Bmoreyourmyhome @ 06/18/2008 9:15:58 PM

      Question: How many Afghani/Paskistani/Taliban terrorists were on those planes on 9/11/2001? Answer: 0

  • Posted By: curlyfries110 @ 06/18/2008 4:02:35 PM

    My feelings on the matter is...if you are willing to harbor terrorists and support them with safe havens, whethter forced or not, be ready to die with them. We won WWII with collateral damage from the atomic bombs we dropped on Japan. I am not saying use nukes, but the "tirbal area" could benefit from the use of a few cluster bombs....after all mud huts arent that resilient.

  • Posted By: americanoklahoma @ 06/18/2008 3:03:31 PM

    america is fighting this war the wrong way and it is all thanks to Bush/McCain's policy of say one thing and do the other. They say fight terror, but they mean take away your civil liberties.

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 06/18/2008 7:39:29 AM

    why do we even take prisoners?

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/18/2008 11:12:37 AM

      because most of the taliban are Naive Villagers whipped into a frenzy and we are not animals. Yes we should kill them when they attack but if they surrender if we want any hope for a peaceful future we have to try and get through to them.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/17/2008 9:19:47 PM

    The next time we get into a dam war, I insist that before we get into it, we say what is required to be done to get out of it. If unconditional surrender is not possible, then we are prohibited from entering it. That means that there has to be a definable enemy, a definable goal and a definable ending. Not, for example, "terror". Terror can't write, therefore he can't sign his name to a dam surrender document.
    We entered this one to blow up the Taliban facilities, run them out of town and capture their leader, Osama Ben Laden. Then, we had a leadership that suddenly decided to put our efforts elsewhere to find that which didn't exist. Then, we started another stupid war with the same illiterate enemy, "terror". We will never find him. And if we could, he can't even put an "X" on a document of surrender. This crap is just madness. Hurry November. Get us a president who can disentangle us from this foolishness. Leave these people alone. They want to kill each other and they don't need us to help them do it. Besides, they do it a lot cheaper than we do.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/18/2008 11:09:10 AM

      The war we started had objectives- Defeat Saddam, The problem we ran into is we forgot to put a plan together for what to do after we took out the government. The major mistake was dismantling the military of Saddam instead of incorporating it in our peace plans.

      By the way the Iraqi people don't want to kill each other or us it is a few strong factions with in the country that want to kill us and subject the Iraqi people to Strict Islamo facist government. We can't leave the good people of Iraq to the evil bastards. The problem is we are just starting to figure out who the evil bastards are and who the honorable insurgents are. Some of the militias are now switching to our side yes they have killed americans and we have killed there people but a lot of it has to do with a misunderstanding of just why we are there in the first place. They are starting to understand our point of view and we are begining to understand theirs Peace is within sight.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 06/18/2008 12:31:56 AM

      Thank you for asking the real question. Surge? who wins a surge? those who pay zero to be there, or those spending 12 billion a month?mmm Charlie Wilson proved that one did'nt he, in the afgan/Russian conflict?

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/17/2008 9:21:58 PM

    And no horse hockey about them following us home. They don't even have a bicycle to follow us and if they did, what do they do when they get to the ocean? Knock it off.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/18/2008 10:59:29 AM

      Thats what Bill Clinton thought after they attacked our embassies in Africa.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 06/18/2008 12:29:17 AM

      nice to see ya boss sorry if my spelling is awaful its small so its hard to see,
      but hey anyway!

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