Fixing the First War

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  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/18/2008 10:44:22 PM

    Now, in Afghanistan, the street value of the opium poppy crop when it hits the United States is enough to pay for the Afghan war. Why aren't we confiscating the opium crop and selling it in the United States to pay for the war? Instead, we are letting the Afghans sell it so that they will not get mad and throw us out of the country, and then all of our dollars here are going to Afghanistan to the opium growers instead of paying for our troops who could use it. What ever happened to the search for Osama Ben Laden? Bush said that he would hunt him down and smoke him out and string him up. All we got was the smoke from his promise. How in the world can Mc Cain expect to be elected coming in behind such incompetence? He just can't disentangle from such as that. Obama sure got the right word for his campaign. Change. It's a cinch.

    • Posted By: AlbertanSeperatist @ 06/19/2008 12:16:35 AM

      "Change" is not a cinch. But it is a cliche. "Change" is the centerpiece for sale every election. Are you buying?

      And in case you are not "in the know"... finding OBL isn't like finding your car keys in the morning. This isn't the movie "Enemy of the State"... reality is not such that we can find anybody in the world that we want anytime at the drop of a hat. Everybody seems to have a good idea the general idea of where he is... but it's simply not that easy. You can't put too much pressure on Pakistan without risking a brutal and deadly consequences... a radical extremist Islamic NUCLEAR armed (no uncertainty here... nuclear blasts are definitive proof) state. Finding OBL isn't as easy as finding Saddam Hussein, Noriega, or Hitler. For OBL... it WILL require PATIENCE. This is something that a generation raised on instant gratification and American Idol doesn't have and doesn't understand.

      OBL's day will come. It just won't be the "right now" that people seem to think should be an absolute in life.

  • Posted By: simplesimon33 @ 06/18/2008 11:48:20 PM

    It is interesting that a sober assessment by departing General McNeil just a few days ago about Pakistan???s non-cooperation in suppressing Taliban operations in Pakistan has fallen on deaf ears. And General Petraeus who blames Iran endlessly for encouraging terror attacks against US forces in Iraq, tries to be apologetic about Pakistan???s support to Taliban. To top it, Newsweek tries to demonstrate divisions between Pakistani military and civilian government while there aren???t any.

    As reported by Washington Post on 4/24/08, while announcing near completion of a peace deal with Pakistani government, Taliban spokesman Maulvi Omar vowed to continue fighting U.S.-led NATO forces in Afghanistan and said that "The presence of the U.S and NATO forces in Afghanistan is the mother of all ill and there will be no peace until their presence in the region has ended." Again as reported by Washington Post today 6/12/08, same Maulvi Omar, the Taliban spokesman said that Taliban fighters fought "side by side" with Pakistani soldiers against the US/Afghan forces during the recent operation when 11 Pakistani soldiers died. Pakistani government understandably ignores Maulvi Omar???s statements but how can General Petraeus ignore them?
    simple simon

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/18/2008 10:58:32 PM

    Thanks, Lawrence. Now I can sleep tonight.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/18/2008 10:49:30 PM

    If I ever saw a whole nation caught up in a Catch 22, it's us. We can't end the war because there is nobody to sign for a surrender. The longer we stay, the less we can stop because people died and it would be disrespectful of those who died to leave. And of course, we can't leave because no one can admit defeat there where the enemy is. Then, if we tried to withdraw before the war ends, it would be unsafe. Lots of catches. Not only Catch 22, but 23, 24, 25, 26, et seq.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/18/2008 10:32:03 PM

    We are the Surgents and they are the Insurgents. We surge and then they insurge. Then we surge back. Then a suicide bomber comes in and breaks the monotony once in a while. The Iraqi congress goes on summer vacation while we surge again because it's too hot for the congress in the air conditioned Iraqi house of representatives. But it's not too hot for our surging troops to patrol in the 112 degree heat in full uniform with bullet proof vests paid for out of mother's cookie jar back home because Rumsfield went to war with the equipment he didn't have.
    Meantime, the person who can sign the unconditional surrender is hiding somewhere and we can't seem to find him. How does this end?

  • Posted By: AlbertanSeperatist @ 06/18/2008 10:24:10 PM

    So Obama and Petraeus agree on one thing. Whoop dee doo! Let's crown him the "bestest man ever" as the media has already done. Obama talks about bridging across to work with 'Pubs. McCain has DONE IT in his career (re: worked with 'Dems cross aisle). Obama talks about not engaging in "politics as usual"... then says that McCain *wants* to keep troops in Iraq for 100 years.

    Who are we going to trust? The man who called for the "surge" in Iraq years before it actually occured and who declared the '94 Agreement with North Korea a failure (intel shows that North Korea worked to learn how to enrich uranium as early as the mid 90's... with verifiable proof uncovered from the Pakistani A.Q. Khan network) or the naive upstart who says that he will send troops into Pakistan after Al Queda WITHOUT Pakistani permission (a realist knows that Pakistan is on the knifes edge of being a nuclear armed extremist Islamic state... talk about a STUPID thing to say publicly).

    Who has the PROVEN track record here... McCain or Obama?

    Finally... Obama voted against going to war with Iraq in 2003. At the time BELIEVING conventional wisdom that Iraq had WMDs or their programs (i.e. the consensus of every intel agency in the world outside of Baghdad... not one simple lie that the "simpleton" Bush fooled the entire world with).

    There is a reason why the 'Dems historically look weak on national security issues... because they are.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/18/2008 10:04:38 PM

    Hey, hold2file, war genetics. Very interesting. The problem with war genetics is that those who get killed can't come home and reproduce offspring with the gene that tells the offspring and their descendants not to go to war and get killed. So, that's why we will always have killing wars.
    But, a very encouraging thing about this also is that suicide bombers also cannot come back and produce offspring who have the suicide bomber gene and proliferate until humanity is extinguished by suicide bombers.
    Well, anyway, I was fascinated by the evolution theory about pickup dogs, an interesting bunch of animals.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/18/2008 9:57:03 PM

    Old Mac Donald had a farm. E I E I O.
    Old Mc Cain he can't.
    Obama now, he can.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/18/2008 9:54:15 PM

    Yes we bama can. Old mc cain he cant.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/18/2008 9:53:24 PM

    Yesbamacan. Nomackacant.

  • Posted By: SKVAM @ 06/18/2008 9:11:17 PM

    The Pakistani military is incompetent. Worse, it has a history of mass murder. It killed 1-3 million Bangladeshis, fellow Muslims, in the early 1970s. It has sponsored murder in Kashmir, talk about killing people at wedding parties; the Muslims in Kashmir backed by Pakistan are experts at murdering all sorts of civilians, including those attending weddings. Pakistan has maltreated border tribes, which is why Pakistan is so hated there. It treats a Muslim minority, the Ahmedis, as the "Jews of the Subcontinent." And, let us not forget, Sunni Pakistanis murder Shiite Pakistanis, and Shiite Pakistanis murder Sunni Pakistanis, all in the spirit of Islam at its best. Muslims in the United States, Israel, and India are treated better than Muslims in Pakistan. And we are to believe that these butchers are clean as a whistle when it comes to sponsoring murder in Afghanistan. Not likely.

  • Posted By: onepoker @ 06/18/2008 8:59:40 PM

    Now that may be the biggest Kool-aid Mustache ever for a reporter. Give me a break Petreaus has been front and center correcting all kinds of errors in every command he has been appointed to. Barak has as much to do with Petreaus's actions as Brintney spears has to do with planning the Talibans annual pic nic.

  • Posted By: 15R8 @ 06/18/2008 8:26:57 PM

    After all these years the seed of intelligance has taken Root and is blooming Petraeus.
    Bamma Obamma you got that one right.
    Now maybe we can concentrate on the right war not the Chaney war.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/18/2008 8:11:40 PM

    well , suckers, Is it really AQ in Iraq or is it a election drama? Is n't it Shhite militia causing more problem there?

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/18/2008 8:09:01 PM

    Hirsh, You may be able to fool some Americans who do not know anything about the area. With Musharaff gone, Pakistanis are not going to do anything except helping their brothers.. for political reasons. Of course they will be happy to get some more money from US if we offer. This is exactly the Afgani was talking about moving to lawless Northern Pakistan areas.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/18/2008 7:59:53 PM

    New weak is so sure about everything!!! When i sthe coronation?

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