Latin Days Are Here Again?

Scientologists beliveve that:

* Psychiatry and psychology are destructive fields which must be abolished.
* Spiritual beings ( thetans) live many lifetimes. Thetans lived among extraterrestrial cultures before becoming trapped in bodies on Earth. Thetans were brainwashed by these extraterrestrial cultures as a means of population control
* Thetans have existed for ???tens of trillions??? of years. During that time, thetans have been exposed to a vast number of traumatic incidents and have made a great many decisions that influence their present state. Thetans were conditioned by extraterrestrial dictatorships such as Helatrobus in an attempt to brainwash and control the population. These early events collectively are called "space opera."
* Xenu (sometimes Xemu) was the ruler of the "Galactic Confederacy." 75 million years ago Xenu brought billions of people to Earth in spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and detonated hydrogen bombs in the volcanoes. The thetans then clustered together, stuck to the bodies of the living, and continue to do this today. Isolating thetans and neutralizing their ill effects are neccesary.

Christians believe that night and day existed before the sun, the earth was flat; and the earth is just a few...thousand years old and.... dinosaurs therefore roamed in peoples' backyards.


If you have average IQ and you research more into religions; probably you want to convert to...alcoholism

The Latin liturgy is beautiful. This is greatly needed in The United States due to the large amount of Liturgical abuses occuring in masses across the country. What is sad is that the average Catholic that doesn't know very much about their faith or the liturgy cannot see the beauty in it.

Thank Pope Benedict for Summorum Pontificum.

As a boy I served as an alter boy when mass was in given in Latin. I fondly remember those days and how wonderful the mass was given by the prist and recieved by church members. I am in full support of having the mass given in its' present form but also would like it to be presented in Latin again.

"But neither the "yes" nor the "no" quite fits the conventional speculations in several recent media reports following off-the-cuff remarks to a small Catholic association in Great Britain by a Vatican official."

The Vatican official is Cardinal Castrillón and his remarks were not "off-the-cuff." Said remarks were uttered during a press conference.

Cardinal Castrillón, compared to Mr. Weigel, is better situated to reveal Pope Benedict XVI's thinking regarding Summorum Pontificum. Therefore, I will take Cardinal Castrillón's remarks seriously.

Although Mr. Weigel comes to the right conclusion -- that the goal is the overall rescralization of Catholic liturgy -- along the way he manages to step in it several times.

First, Salt of the Earth is a book-length interview, not a memoir. Second, very few of the laity who are part of the "loose-knit coalition" behind the reform of the reform would agree that any sort of re-sacralization is "evident" in most parishes. Sure, we don't see as many "clown Masses" as we once did, but the absence of such grotesque abuses should hardly be a standard of fidelity.

The idea that the "overwhelming majority" of Catholics have "welcomed the new form of the mass that became normative in 1970" is just silly; the majority of Catholics don't even attend Mass. From weekly attendance rates of at least 60% before the Council, they have settled to around 33% -- at most.

Let's enjoy fruitful prayer- the Latin Mass with all it's beauty leads, at least for me, to fruitful prayer. With the maturation of "verncular" music, etc., we have another liturgical path to prayer that should not be ignored.

As a church musician with 40 years experience, I believe we can find a middle ground in liturgical worship. I think it wonderful that the Latin Mass could be revived in all it's glory. I also feel that, in recent years, we've seen great improvement in "vernacular" music which is not to be ignored. I honestly believe we can reach a point where the best of both liturgical worlds can be fruitful worship for all.

Anyone who has experienced the beauty of the Latin Mass will feel very empty sitting in a congregation of the fractured "mass" that is practiced widely. Something you have not experienced should not be riduculed or rejected without first knowing what you are objecting to. The Latin Missal has the English translation on the opposite page, so it is easy to follow and after a while you learn by repetition anyway.

It would be wonderful to go back to the Latin Mass.

George Weigel stated that "the overwhelming majority of Catholics throughout the world have welcomed the new form of the mass that became normative in 1970, a mass celebrated entirely in English (or Spanish or French or Polish, or whatever language the congregation speaks)."

That is incorrect. The majority of Latin Church Catholics have walked away from the "new form of Mass."

Nearly 80 to 85 percent of Latin Church Catholics refuse each week to assist at the "new form of Mass."

George Weigel stated that "the overwhelming majority of Catholics throughout the world have welcomed the new form of the mass that became normative in 1970, a mass celebrated entirely in English (or Spanish or French or Polish, or whatever language the congregation speaks)."

That is incorrect. The majority of Latin Church Catholics have walked away from the "new form of Mass."

Nearly 80 to 85 percent of Latin Church Catholics refuse each week to assist at the "new form of Mass."

Some members of the first century congregation were given gifts to speak in tongues, or different languages. What is the Bible's counsel on speaking a foreign language in a congregation where no one else understands it? :(1 Corinthians 14:27-28) . . .And if someone speaks in a tongue, let it be limited to two or three at the most, and in turns; and let someone translate. 28 But if there be no translator, let him keep silent in the congregation and speak to himself and to God.

Thus speaking in a tongue no one understands in Church is clearly not Biblical and goes against the healthful teaching of truth found in the Bible.

Remember why they did the mass in Latin to begin with, to keep the masses ignorant, and keep control and power over them.

I find it interesting that the Catholic church considers such questions. In an age when many churches have tried to update and modernize to attract new parishioners, the Holy Orthodox Faith (from which the Catholic Church split in the 11th century) has floated above it all. From the very start of Orthodox evangelism, the bishops instructed missionaries to conduct Divine Liturgy in the language of the native population. They were therefore nourished in the Word in a language they could understand (although I would argue that while we do go to church to learn, we attend Divine Liturgy primarily to worship, a practice that seems to be lost to many Christians). The Orthodox church is not engaged in these struggles that Roman Catholics face, simply because the Divine Liturgy has been celebrated by all Orthodox Christians worldwide in a form that has not changed. The consistency of the reverent and holy worship has remained without compromise. For those seeking heavenly worship, seek out an Orthodox church! In the United States, Antiochian Orthodox churches worship in English..

I find it interesting that the Catholic church considers such questions. In an age when many churches have tried to update and modernize to attract new parishioners, the Holy Orthodox Faith (from which the Catholic Church split in the 11th century) has floated above it all. From the very start of Orthodox evangelism, the bishops instructed missionaries to conduct Divine Liturgy in the language of the native population. They were therefore nourished in the Word in a language they could understand (although I would argue that while we do go to church to learn, we attend Divine Liturgy primarily to worship, a practice that seems to be lost to many Christians). The Orthodox church is not engaged in these struggles that Roman Catholics face, simply because the Divine Liturgy has been celebrated by all Orthodox Christians worldwide in a form that has not changed. The consistency of the reverent and holy worship has remained without compromise. For those seeking heavenly worship, seek out an Orthodox church! In the United States, Antiochian Orthodox churches worship in English..

I find it interesting that the Catholic church considers such questions. In an age when many churches have tried to update and modernize to attract new parishioners, the Holy Orthodox Faith (from which the Catholic Church split in the 11th century) has floated above it all. From the very start of Orthodox evangelism, the bishops instructed missionaries to conduct Divine Liturgy in the language of the native population. They were therefore nourished in the Word in a language they could understand (although I would argue that while we do go to church to learn, we attend Divine Liturgy primarily to worship, a practice that seems to be lost to many Christians). The Orthodox church is not engaged in these struggles that Roman Catholics face, simply because the Divine Liturgy has been celebrated by all Orthodox Christians worldwide in a form that has not changed. The consistency of the reverent and holy worship has remained without compromise. For those seeking heavenly worship, seek out an Orthodox church! In the United States, Antiochian Orthodox churches worship in English..

As a midwestern Methodist-raised adult, I found the Latin mass to be quite a mystery the first time I attended one. After having a year of Latin in high school (which few of us passed), The Latin masses I attended subsequently were just comprehensible enough to get the gist of what was being said. I was struck by a feeling of profoundness, of enormous depth of spirit, and recognition that what was concieved by me as God was as incomplete as my understanding of the Word as spoken in Latin. It created a tremendous feeling of awe, and a spiritual profoundness which I had sought for years. Yes, hearing a message in English is good, to hear the ideas and perspectives of those learned people who lead other denominations, but the attendance of worship in traditional earlier forms gives a depth which I only comprehend at a level deeper than the conscious level; it opens unknown doors which lend a profoundness to my limited understanding of God. To comment further as a non-Catholic is out of the realm of appropriateness for me, other than to say that in my opinion the modern irreverent forms alluded to are not for me, but if others are moved and improved by them, bless them!

Non Catholic here

Isn't the point of church is to learn about God, His Love, and how He wants us to live? How can this be accomplished if the service is in Latin. People have trouble understanding the Word in their own language. What is the point of Latin? Would turning back to latin qualify as putting too much stock in ceremony instead of the actual nurishment of the Word. How are people to be fulfilled and know the Word if they don't hear it?