Obama says McCain is "fueled" by money from lobbyists and PACs, but those sources account for less than 1.7 percent of McCain's money.
Comment: While any explanation by Obama (to not accept public funds) other than he is raising more money outside of the constraints the system, can be considered disingenuous, I find it interesting that the article does not address the 527 group concerns (swiftboating) whose revenue base is not regulated and potentially unlimited.
Comment: KOOL-AID??????..From the kitchen of the obama sheeple!! take one heaping spoonful of an inexperienced elitist white male seeking self validation through exploitation of his african-american genetics. Combine two parts black liberation theology clerics spewing intolerance! With two parts of unrepentant intellectuals committed to the destruction of America. Stir in one cup of militant black wife harboring the overwhelming desire to stick it to whitey and one spoonful of typical white person grandmother mix well. Pour a gallon of anti-patriotism into tall glasses and sprinkle with naïve foreign policy ideations. Serve on a platter of meaningless oratorical hyperbole with a generous dollop of wealth re-distribution. Sprinkle liberally with zest of white guilt flip it and flop it till it tastes right. Serve large portions to the undiscerning and spellbound masses convinced that the Second Coming is upon America and now you have a complete recipe for disaster!
Comment: Very surprised to see a critical Obama article in Newsweek.
Comment: Very surprised to see a critical Obama atricle in Newseek. I guess change is a comin'
Comment: Let's do the basic math here and see if Mr. Obama is telling the truth...
"grassroots movement of over 1.5 million Americans" x ($5,$10,$20) does not equal $265M that was reported to be raised by last month. If we take this example and even use the greatest contribution stated we're still missing $235M. I don't think that money came from "grassroots" contributions of $20. Bottom line, he didn't want to hold true to his own stated political agenda from the beginning of his campaign because it would mean giving up too much in resources. Please wake up to the fact that the guy is promising things well out of his ability to accomplish. He doesn't have enough experience to know better and two he is being a hypocrite by being a typical politician. Between bringing the troops back from Iraq within the first 30 days of his campaign (give me a break, the US doesn't even come close to having the resources to accomplish that) to $13 an hour for minimum wage (hmmm, what does that make my salary worth all of a sudden). The house and senate will be running this country because they will use their experience to run rough shod right over the top of him. Go back, get more experience and come back when your training wheels have come off and you can make political promises that have at least a small chance of happening. Final note, I am not a 60 year old jaded man from wars past either. I am a 31 year old female with an MBA and no, I would not have voted for Hilary either. I would like someone who has a political agenda not a personal one. This election is so far off of the issues, it has lost all bearings and unfortunately every one of us is going to lose in this deal.
Comment: Let's do the basic math here and see if Mr. Obama is telling the truth...
"grassroots movement of over 1.5 million Americans" x ($5,$10,$20) does not equal $265M that was reported to be raised by last month. If we take this example and even use the greatest contribution stated we're still missing $235M. I don't think that money came from "grassroots" contributions of $20. Bottom line, he didn't want to hold true to his own stated political agenda from the beginning of his campaign because it would mean giving up too much in resources. Please wake up to the fact that the guy is promising things well out of his ability to accomplish. He doesn't have enough experience to know better and two he is being a hypocrite by being a typical politician. Between bringing the troops back from Iraq within the first 30 days of his campaign (give me a break, the US doesn't even come close to having the resources to accomplish that) to $13 an hour for minimum wage (hmmm, what does that make my salary worth all of a sudden). The house and senate will be running this country because they will use their experience to run rough shod right over the top of him. Go back, get more experience and come back when your training wheels have come off and you can make political promises that have at least a small chance of happening. Final note, I am not a 60 year old jaded man from wars past either. I am a 31 year old female with an MBA and no, I would not have voted for Hilary either. I would like someone who has a political agenda not a personal one. This election is so far off of the issues, it has lost all bearings and unfortunately every one of us is going to lose in this deal.
Comment: Wait a minute... Obama's real problem isn't that McCain is receiving from special interests and PACs (the 1.7% of total mentioned here) His concern is that the money those groups raise individually is going to be used to "swift boat" him.
Obama is rightly concerned about the proxy battles that tore Kerry to shreds. In order to fend of those group's attacks, he will need money in sums that public financing just can't possibly provide.
To be fair, I think Obama did a poor job of explaining his reasoning in his official release, though he has made exactly this point countless other times in speeches and other announcements.
Factcheck checked ONLY Obama's verbatim release while ignoring all the other times he's cited proxy attacks as a major issue
Comment: Wait a minute... Obama's real problem isn't that McCain is receiving from special interests and PACs (the 1.7% of total mentioned here) His concern is that the money those groups raise individually is going to be used to "swift boat" him.
Obama is rightly concerned about the proxy battles that tore Kerry to shreds. In order to fend of those group's attacks, he will need money in sums that public financing just can't possibly provide.
To be fair, I think Obama did a poor job of explaining his reasoning in his official release, though he has made exactly this point countless other times in speeches and other announcements.
Factcheck checked ONLY Obama's verbatim release while ignoring all the other times he's cited proxy attacks as a major issue
Comment: Enough with the hyperbole. If you think your take on Senator Obama's current position on financing his campaign in the general election merits consideration, back it up with the facts. The rest is spin. For example, the fact is, Senator Obama is now opting out of public campaign financing in the general election, a move he concedes appears to reverse his previous position to subject his campaign to public financing . Fact is, to support this policy reversal, he stated the campaign finance system is broken. Fact is, he neither noted that this fault in the system existed when he previously agreed to support the system; nor noted any aspect of the existing campaign finance system that had changed since his previous statement he would abide by that same system. Fact is, he now announced he would opt out of the publicly financed system not only because Senator McCain was using 527's to oppose him; but also because he would not tell these 527's to cease and desist. Fact is, Senator Obama failed to point to any existing Republican 527's - there are none - and, even if there were, fact is, by law, any direct nexus between the candidate and the 527 is prohibited by federal law. Fact is, Senator Obama now characterizes his present campaign contributions as in line with a public system, anyway. Fact is, legally, the candidate is not obliged to record identifying information on donors who give less than $200 to the campaign. Plus, fact is, adhering to a publicly financed system under federal law allows each candidate vying for the Office of President of the United States to spend no more than the amount of money allocated by that system, currently, around $81 million.
Comment: People in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks:
The media has been abuzz over speculation that John McCain will accept public financing in the general election. The attention has overshadowed a new fund structure that will allow the McCain camp to collect significantly more money than the individual limits placed by the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill.
The Wall Street Journal reports on the details of McCain's fund:
Campaign manager Rick Davis released the details of the "McCain Victory 08" fund on Friday. He said the entity is a joint committee, combining the McCain campaign, the Republican National Committee and four key states under a "hybrid legal structure."
The idea is to tap donors for more than the $2,300 limit set by campaign finance laws. Under legislation pushed by McCain in his role as a senator from Arizona, an individual can donate a maximum of $2,300 to a presidential primary campaign and the same amount to the general election campaign. Although McCain received the number of delegates necessary to secure the nomination in March, he will not be the party's official nominee until the convention in September--so he is still running a primary campaign.
The new structure allows up to $70,000 in individual contributions by channeling the money into different McCain-centric funds. The first $2,300 of that would go to McCain's primary campaign. The Republican National Committee would receive $28,500 of the donation. The remaining funds would be divided equally, up to $10,000 a piece, among four states the campaign has designated as battlegrounds for November: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Colorado and New Mexico.
For the full article go to:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/21/mccain-financing-structur_n_97816.html
Comment: Enough with the double posts. Laughing at you once was enough - twice, and I might injure myself.
Comment: Enough with the hyperbole. If you think your take on Senator Obama's current position on financing his campaign in the general election merits consideration, back it up with the facts. The rest is spin. For example, the fact is, Senator Obama is now opting out of public campaign financing in the general election, a move he concedes appears to reverse his previous position to subject his campaign to public financing . Fact is, to support this policy reversal, he stated the campaign finance system is broken. Fact is, he neither noted that this fault in the system existed when he previously agreed to support the system; nor noted any aspect of the existing campaign finance system that had changed since his previous statement he would abide by that same system. Fact is, he now announced he would opt out of the publicly financed system not only because Senator McCain was using 527's to oppose him; but also because he would not tell these 527's to cease and desist. Fact is, Senator Obama failed to point to any existing Republican 527's - there are none - and, even if there were, fact is, by law, any direct nexus between the candidate and the 527 is prohibited by federal law. Fact is, Senator Obama now characterizes his present campaign contributions as in line with a public system, anyway. Fact is, legally, the candidate is not obliged to record identifying information on donors who give less than $200 to the campaign. Plus, fact is, adhering to a publicly financed system under federal law allows each candidate vying for the Office of President of the United States to spend no more than the amount of money allocated by that system, currently, around $81 million.
Comment: So, what's your point? He changed his position - every politican does it during their career. There was nothing in his statements that was a promise or a firm committment that he would use public financing. All he said was he is a big believer in it and that he things it works.
I'm a big believer in public transportation and I think that it works - but that doesn't mean that I am going to use it if it is not to my benefit. That's all Obama is doing. Public financing works, but in this case, private finacing is going to work better for him. And he is not compromising his integrity because he is refusing money from PAC's and lobbyists. Whether the money comes from the voters through the Government for directly from the voters, who cares.
Comment: WHAT IS PAINFUL TO HEAR FROM SEN. OBAMA IS HIS SERMON OF AUDACITY OF HOPE.
WHY CAN'T HE JUST ADMIT THAT HE IS IN POLITICS AND HE IS JUST LIKE ONE OF THEM... AND ONE NY TIMES REPORTER EVEN SAID, THE BEST OF THEM ALL.
BUT THIS WILL ALSO LIKE THE REST OF THE ISSUES POINTED TO OBAMA. THE MSM WILL SHY AWAY FROM ELABORATING THE SAME.
IF MSM COULD ONLY DIRECTLY ELECT A PRESIDENT, OBAMA WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN A PRESIDENT SINCE 2007.
Comment: It is coming out of Obam's big ears!
This is a change for the worse. Obama likes to trumpet his support from 1.5 million donors, 90% of which gave less than $100. The fact he doesn't mention is that most of the real money, way over a majority of what he has raised is from fat cats and it is from those fat cats on the left (the monied folks of New York, San Francisco and Hollywood) that he will raise the money for his "people's" campaign.
Remember if you listen to Obam's speeches most folks in this country are working three jobs and still can't pay for their chronically ill sister's helath insurance! How can they afford to give more to him.
Now his buddies George Soros and Warrne Buffet have billions to give. That's where he will get his money.
He is the liberal Mussolini and will destroy this nation if we let him and continue to buy into his lies.
Watch him on Iraq the next big flip flop is coming!
Comment: Obama is a great paradox: a cocky empty suit full of lies; a big flip flopper, too.
Comment: Maybe you should look up the definition of paradox and try again. In the meantime, let me show you how it is properly used:
McCain is a paradox, on the one hand he speaks to how is military experience helped to shape his sense of honor, but on the other hand, he left his disabled wife for a much younger woman.
See how that works?
Comment: Well, I am afraid it is only going to get worse. Why? Because many of those people who donated less than a $100 signed up for monthly donations all the way to November.
Maybe they don't have great healthcare due to 8 years of Republican mismanagement of this country, but what little they have they are willing to donate to Obama.
That's what really has the Republican's worried. Their key to power has always been the apathy of the masses. Obama has changed that. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Comment: Desperation is a stinky perfume.
Comment: McCain opposed the Energy Policy Act of 2005 saying it was larded with billions in unnecessary tax breaks for the oil industry.
Obama voted for the 2.8 billion dollar tax cut for the wealthy oil companies in the Energy Policy Act of 2005
George Bush signed the 2.8 billion dollar tax cut for the wealthy oil companies in the Energy Policy Act of 2005 into law.
Now we are stuck with high gas prices and an exploding deficit.
Obama, the 3rd term of George Bush.
Comment: I finally figured it out - there are three people sharing the User ID Zombiehero. The first person can be logical from time to time, the second person is an idiot, and the third person is smoking dope (kind of like the third person best). It explains so much!
Well, time for bed.
Comment: Obama's the one sniffing something...maybe that's what his change is all about....
Aww too much for you...don't forget to drink your Kool Aid before bed now...
Comment: Oops, I forgot to mention, all three people are in the same body. But don't worry, Obama has you covered on the health care front as well. He'll make sure you get the proper treatment.
Comment: Obama, the 3rd term of Bush? As compared to McCain? Wow, and here I thought the stuff I was smoking was good.
Comment: I hope you saw my response to you calling me a liar... =)
Comment: Actually, I never called you a lair - I asked you to post the source so I wouldn't have to.
Comment: Actually - now I can call you a liar, because your sources were completely wrong. Are you so stupid that you didn't think anyone would check? And yes, you are quite sad, and pathetic, and stupid, and ....
Comment: That Z across your chest sure has to hurt.... ouch!!!
Comment: Not as much as the pain in my head from all your moronic posts.
Comment: Moronic....would have expected more from you... ha ha Thanks for making this night go by faster.... I needed some good laughs.
Comment: Well, just keep reading your own posts.
Comment: http://www.newsweek.com/id/132721
Keep on spewing the hate. I love it. The more you spew the more Clinton Dems will be voting McCain or Nader.... not Obama... ha ha ha
Comment: I don't hate you ... I just think you are a moron. And you are definitely no Hillary supporter, just another Republican stooge and chaos member. Well, I guess you need to go back to your Republican handlers, tell them you have been exposed, get a new screen name, and try again. Can I suggest Zombiedoofus? Oh, and I would have them send you back to training, because you are really bad at this.
Comment: Wow news to me.. I didn't know I wasn't a Clinton Supporter.... news to me. I'm sure in the morning you will get ample evidence of my support of Clinton.... I know Pia will vouch for me there.
I find it really hard to believe you would be a Hills supporter. To much hatred.
No I think I'll keep my handle here...you might want to change yours though...
Comment: Pretty sure Pia would say you're an idiot.
Comment: You will have to ask her next time you see her then.
Comment: Pia is a sweetie - she would never hang out with a lout like me :-)
Comment: And once again, I have to make you look stupid. Let's start with your original post:
Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/20/2008 21:34:28
Comment: The same Newsweek poll that had Obama up by 20 points 3 days before PA primary? Yeah, real credible.
First you back it up with some website that has nothing to do with Newsweek Polls, and the Polls the website has on PA have 72 out of 76 showing Clinton ahead.
Then you try to back it up with this website - which talks about a 20 point lead for Obama taken on a national poll, which has nothing to do with PA.
You do understand the difference between PA and the Nation? Maybe not.
Idiot.
Comment: Ha ha thank you for copying my original post....saves me the trouble....hmmm I know you don't do reading comprehension all that well....but where oh where in my post did I say that the newsweek was a PA only poll?
I was calling into question the credibility of the newsweek poll that had Obama up....I don't see me saying anything about a national or primary do you... I was just talking about the Poll.... I gave you the link from realclearpolitics... you must have misinterpreted what I said... maybe thats why you couldn't see your a&$ from a hole in the ground.... so I gave you the article's link.... the one I was questioning... and you still don't believe it?
What are you 12?
Do you realize how dumb your making yourself look?
Makes my job so much easier when you do it for me... thanks
Comment: Hello? Hello? Let me copy it for you again:
Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/20/2008 21:34:28
Comment: The same Newsweek poll that had Obama up by 20 points 3 days before PA primary? Yeah, real credible.
See the key words - PA primary. I realize they are not in crayon, but you should still be able to read it.
Idiot
Comment: ha ha ha Key words....Newsweek poll...3 days before PA primary... thats the link I sent you... the newsweek pool that had Obama up by almost 20....a few days before the PA primary... ha ha really... is it that hard for you to read?
Comment: Now I want you to read very slowly - it's O.K. to move your lips.
No ... the link you sent me referenced a national poll .. it had nothing to do with PA or its primary.
Let me help you. National - the whole country, you remember, Pacific Ocean on one side, Atlantic Ocean on the other side, Canada up north, Mexico down south. As compared to Pennsylvania, much smaller, Ohio on one side, New Jersey on the other side, New York up north, Maryland and West Virginia to the south.
Come on, you can do it. Work those last brain cells.
Comment: Wow you know geography... I'm impressed.
"The same Newsweek poll that had Obama up by 20 points 3 days before PA primary?"
Please tell me where in that sentence do I say that the Newsweek poll is specifically a Pennsylvania only poll?
My original sentence, I was referring to a Newsweek poll that was published a few days before the Penn Primary. That is the Poll I gave you the link to. I know its hard for you to admit that you made a mistake. I'll let you off the hook now. No hard feelings.
Sorry this is an argument you will fail, epic fail.
Comment: So why mention PA at all? And the national poll, at the time it was taken, was accurate. Unless, of course, it was you intention to try a deceive people. Nice try, but no.
Comment: Whats this are you backing off?
My original post was to question the credibility of the Newsweek poll thats all... you obviously had something else in mind. Whatever... keep believing whatever you want.
And no that Newsweek poll was not accurate... go back at the original RCP link I gave you and look at the number from the other polls at that time... Newsweek's poll was the outlier.
Comment: And click on the Newsweek poll itself. The poll was stastically valid. Just because you didn't like what it said doesn't mean it wasn't accurate. You're such a fool.
Comment: oh sorry you threatened to call me a liar...to bad for you I have sources to back me up.... sorry too bad so sad for you.
Comment: No more threatening - you are a liar. Or just incredibly stupid. Not sure which one.
Comment: That's all you got? Seriously, you and alvy need some alone time he'll make a man out of you!!!
Comment: Well, as Alvy says, you can't fix stupid ... stupid.
Comment: Hey if its good for the goose. Obamabots keeps trying to tie McCain to Bush. I think we should keep it level and start to look at how Obama stacks up against Bush. Seems fair right?
Bush campaigned as a uniter. Divided the country right down the middle, more partisan than ever
Obama campaigns as a uniter. Divided the Democratic Party down the middle, with his supporters calling a lot of people that don't support him, racist.
Comment: Sorry you probably want some source for my claim about Obama supporters...http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=116583
???Racist???: Former Clinton Volunteer Now Supporting McCain Claims Threats by Obama Supporters
I wouldn't want you to call me a liar again.
Comment: I took a look at the video - I think she falls into the angry and bitter category. There is also something about the way she spoke and her body language that struck me as disingenous. I think the "threats" against her family are an exaggeration. She just didn't seem credible to me.
As far as the racist label - I don't know. I don't know what she said on the call or in other forums. I know a lot of Clinton supporters who were calling Obama supporter sexist. Wouldn't doubt for a minute that the sexist label has passed her lips on a number of occasions. I don't think it is fair to label people racist or sexist unless they say or do something specific to warrant the label.
Personally, I think she's an idiot. I love the comment about Clinton and Obama being more alike only if you look at things as narrowly as the issues. Come on, that's what this campaign is about, the issues.
I think she is just mad and spiteful - and one myopic Clinton supporter does not constitute a trend.
Comment: Ha ha knew you were gonna say something like that. Go ahead and try to discredit her because thats all you got. I'm sure you've been on these blogs long enough to have seen all the racist banter coming out of the Obama supporters. Accusing Clinton supporters now McCain supporters of being racist
As for Mrs. Abeles.... here is where she was accused by Olbermann none the less....
OLBERMANN: And we need to be very careful to be very circumspect and not conclude this of all or even a large percentage, maybe even a measurable percentage of Clinton supporters who now have gone to McCain.
But at least might the case of this Paulie Abeles woman who we now know organized against letting Sally Hemings??? descendents join the Jefferson family gatherings, does this begin to make a lot more sense than just some sort of knee-jerk reaction?
KURTZ: Well, I???m not sure what you mean by making a lot more sense.
What do you mean?
OLBERMANN: It would seem to me that???that it???s an extraordinary coincidence that somebody who would have objected to the presence of the black descendants of Thomas Jefferson at the Jefferson family reunion, suddenly bolting the Democratic Party because her candidate did not get elected and going over to the Republicans. It would seem that these things are of a narrow vision. I???m not assuming racism here, but there seems to be a narrow vision of what is???what this country is in the 21st century.
Comment:
Just when I think you can't possibly be any dumber, you prove me wrong. Did you even read your post before submitting it?
There is an organization based on the descendants of Thomas Jefferson. Sally Hemings was a slave owned by Jefferson and she bore children from that relationship. Paulie Abeles, the poor Hillary supporter you referenced earlier - the one being called a racist and threatened by all of us evil Obama supporters for going over to McCain - is the same woman who is actively organizing to deny the descendants of Sally Hemings into the Thomas Jefferson organization.
In my earlier post, I said I didn't know if she was a racist, but based on this new information you so kindly provided, I think there is a possibility that she is.
And all Olbermann says is "It would seem to me that it's an extraordinary coincidence that somebody who would have objected to the presence of the black descendants of Thomas Jefferson at the Jefferson family reunion, suddenly bolting the Democratic Party because her candidate did not get elected and going over to the Republicans. It would seem that these things are of a narrow vision. I'm not assuming racism here, but there seems to be a narrow vision of what this country is in the 21st century.
He specfically says he is not assuming racism - what he is pointing out is a very interesting coincidence. And you know what, it is very interesting.
Comment: Ha and you think Olbermann is credible? HA HA HA HA He is about as credible as Bill O....they both stink and have no journalistic integrity.
In know your reading comprehension skills are lacking, probably a product of high school education, but here let me break it down for you.
Olbermann is to insuniate that the only reason Abeles is leaving the DNC is because she is racist. Like the majority of the Obamabots, failing to realize that Obama hasn't unified the democratic base towards him. Clinton has about 18 million supporters, more and more groups and big name people are coming out saying they won't support Obama.
You obamanaics can say anything you want, try to slander and libel them all you want but that isn't going to win them back. Its only going to drive them away. Something you must not realize.
Who knows if Abeles is a closet racist, I really don't care. You could be a closet racist for all i know, doesn't matter to me. Your the one that has to live with yourself.
The point I was making and I did make is that. Obamabots are trying to discredit anyone that doesn't fall in line with Obama....you even helped prove my point with your name calling and slander...
Thank you
Comment: Go home chaos member - you've been exposed. Better luck next time.
Comment: Oh so that's the new one... since I don't support Obama, I must be an Op Chaos plant?
Your really grasping here... I'm sorry if I scare you....but really get a grip man.
Hey Pia, will you assure ZigZug here that I am a Clinton Supporter through and through...
Comment: I'm just going with the odds. A Clinton supporter just couldn't be that stupid.
Comment: Your right a Clinton supporter isn't that stupid...you seem to be that stupid though... so I know you were never a clinton supporter...
Comment: My, aren't we the witty one. What next? I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever bounces off me sticks on you? Or maybe you'll just go with the simpler "No I'm not, you are"
Comment: Ha ha sounds about right... how bout we rock paper scissor for it?
Comment: O.K. - you go first :-)
Comment: Um....no.... but hey this was fun.. I have to go finish my reports before I go home.... thanks for the laughs though.
Comment: Ditto!
Comment: There's WAY too much name-calling and baiting on both sides here.
I support Obama, but I won't call names at any of his competitors. Everyone in America deserves a race run with as much dignity as we can muster.
Comment: Sounds to me like a bunch of 'Swift-boaters' are upset that Senator Barack Obama didn't take the bait and walk into their September/October ambush. Obama is no idiot. He knows the Repuplican supporters speak with forked tongues.
Unfortunately for McCain, Obama is wise beyond his years, and a real Ivy-Leaguer with Chicago style street-smarts to boot. Oh, and I heard the young man is pretty good in a 'political knife fight'. I would just love to see him go toe-to-toe on stage with '3rd-Term McSame'. Slow-poke McSame will not get the same warm-fuzzies Obama afforded Hillary.
Comment: McCain has no right to complain about Obama on this issue. McCain has already flip flopped earlier when he said he needed public financing before the primary began, and then subsequently opted out of the public financing system.
Obama has to have the resources to fight the Republican smear machine that, like the SwiftBoaters did in '04, contiunes to spew lies about Obama. Anyone who says the Republican lying smear machine won't be a factor in '08 is flat out wrong. These smears have already started and will intensify soon.
Good for Obama for asking ordinary Americans to help him fight the dishonest Republican smear machine.
Go Obama!
Comment: Your right, McCain did opt out of public financing for the PRIMARY, not for the GE. Obama on the other hand said he would "talk" to the other side, being McCain, about public financing. The funny thing is Obama never did talk to McCain or his camp. Obama just decided because he has a whole lot of money, that he could back out.
To the Obama supporters, they say nothing wrong about Obama backing out of his promise, because it's pragmatic.
To the others, it's another example of Obama saying one thing and doing the other when its political expedient.
The question remains as to how the independents and Clinton Dems see it. These are the groups that are going to make or break Obama's chances.
Comment: Waaaaa! How many Presidential campaigns have the Republican's enjoyed the financial advantage? The answer is too many. And now, suddenly, they don't, and they're whining like a bunch of babies.
Obama has so much money because the American people believe in him - millions of people making that $20, $50 or $100 donation. You Republicans should be less concerned about the money and more concerned about the people behind it ... because it is going to be those very people that dump McCain and the Republican's on their collective @sses come November.
Comment: First of all I'm not nor ever will be a Republican. I'm a Clinton Dem that never drank the Kool Aid. I'm too weary of cults to drink anything they give you.
Here straight from the horses mouth:
Jan. 24, 2007 Shortly before Obama officially declares his candidacy, talk show host Larry King asks Obama if he is going to stay in the public financing system.
OBAMA: Well, you know, this is something that, obviously, we are going to have to take a careful look at. I'm a big believer in public financing of campaigns. And I think that for a time, the presidential public financing system works.
That was of course before he knew how big of saps, most Democrats are and before he knew how much he could take them for. Makes you wonder, with prices going up and people getting laid off, can these people afford to give Barry money?
Comment:
So, what's your point? He changed his position - every politican does it during their career. There was nothing in his statements that was a promise or a firm committment that he would use public financing. All he said was he is a big believer in it and that he things it works.
I'm a big believer in public transportation and I think that it works - but that doesn't mean that I am going to use it if it is not to my benefit. That's all Obama is doing. Public financing works, but in this case, private finacing is going to work better for him. And he is not compromising his integrity because he is refusing money from PAC's and lobbyists. Whether the money comes from the voters through the Government for directly from the voters, who cares.
Comment: The point is that by Obama's own statements he doesn't live up to his own Standard.
He keeps talking about change and hope and new politics but has shown nothing. This is only the latest example of it.
It shows that yes he is a typical politician. Being a typical politician, when one of his promises get broken it makes you wonder what is next. So whats the next promise he is going to break?
What are you going to say when he comes out in favor of Nuclear Power? He already laid the ground work for that in the abc debates.... thats going to screw with all the greenpeace groupies out there backing him.
Comment: Standards? How about McCain? He co-sponsored a campaign finance bill which he is now working to circumvent. You Reubplicans are all the same - hypocrits.
Comment: Normally I don't criticize a person's spelling but in light of your total lack of reading comprehension, I think you need to get some sleep and come back when you can actually have a rational discussion.
So what about McCain? Can you supply links or references to your wild accusations?
Comment: No need to apologize, when people have been out -thought, they usually turn to criticizing things like grammer or telling people "to get that c@$k out of your mouth" like you did in another post. You really shouldn't let me get into your head like that (but know that I'm in here, I have to say there isn't much to see).
As far as support, here you go (I thought I would show you how it is done since you seem to be struggling with the concept):
The media has been abuzz over speculation that John McCain will accept public financing in the general election. The attention has overshadowed a new fund structure that will allow the McCain camp to collect significantly more money than the individual limits placed by the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill.
The Wall Street Journal reports on the details of McCain's fund:
Campaign manager Rick Davis released the details of the "McCain Victory 08" fund on Friday. He said the entity is a joint committee, combining the McCain campaign, the Republican National Committee and four key states under a "hybrid legal structure."
The idea is to tap donors for more than the $2,300 limit set by campaign finance laws. Under legislation pushed by McCain in his role as a senator from Arizona, an individual can donate a maximum of $2,300 to a presidential primary campaign and the same amount to the general election campaign. Although McCain received the number of delegates necessary to secure the nomination in March, he will not be the party's official nominee until the convention in September--so he is still running a primary campaign.
The new structure allows up to $70,000 in individual contributions by channeling the money into different McCain-centric funds. The first $2,300 of that would go to McCain's primary campaign. The Republican National Committee would receive $28,500 of the donation. The remaining funds would be divided equally, up to $10,000 a piece, among four states the campaign has designated as battlegrounds for November: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Colorado and New Mexico.
For the full article go to:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/21/mccain-financing-structur_n_97816.html
Notice the link actually takes you to a RELEVANT web page. i think that's what you've been missing.
I hope it helps!
Comment: No worries...I really can't stop laughing though...
Your right... McCain is sidestepping it a bit...but to use the Obama supporter response... he is just being pragmatic because he knows Obama is going to try and outspend him 10 to 1.
I said before I don't agree with McCain on everything but I like him better than Obama. Still do. So I'm still going to vote for him.
Just like no matter what anyone says about Obama, your still going to vote for him. Am I right?
Comment: As much as it pains me to say it - yes.
Comment: Ok.. I forgive ya... no harm no foul....really this was fun... made the night go by faster...
Comment: On that we agree.
Comment: To Mr. Brook Jackson of FACTCHECK.ORG , , , , , Reading your article was painful. It is always painful reading articles where the producers of stuff like this purposely leave out, or minimize weighty critical facts that are guarantee game changers. Obama spoke the truth but you refuse to factor in all variables and to put the proper weights on those variables. . . . . . . . As you stated less than 1.7% of McCain's "current" totals are from lobbyist and PACs. Don't you find it very strange that traditional Republican supporters are holding back millions that would normally be in the coffers of Republican candidates? The monies are not there because they were waiting for Senator Obama and the DNC to lock in his campaign to taxpayer funding. Also, what have your investigation turned up as to why this is so? Oh, you have not queried those issues? And with all your logic, experience and wisdom, do you really believe that by October-1 an avalanche of GOP lobbyist & PAC financial support would not have been raised to something significantly higher than the current 1.7% (had Obama actually locked in). . . . . . . Senator Barack Obama did the right thing and for the right reasons by optioning out of taxpayer funding. If Obama had locked his campaign into the maximum $85-million, the smart GOP lobbyist and PAC money would have come forth to financially smack Obama around very hard in September and October; when it would be far harder for Senator Obama to reverse course and raise the money via the Internet to successfully to compete for the White House. . . . . . Now please go back and analyze the truth with all the facts and variables.
Comment: nppartyaffiliation's name is a lie. He/she obviously belongs to the Marxist Party headed by Barak Hussein Obama, or Obama Bin Laden, or whatever his name is. I'm sorry , I can't say anything negative about him can I? Go ahead and vote for him and I hope you like what you end up with. I can assure you I won't. Do you not listen to anything the man says. He's says there needs to be a stronger government hand so that wealth can be more equitably distributed. He wants to tax "Big Oil" so you can pay more for gas. If you think that gas tax will bring down prices you're soely mistaken.
Comment: You certainly can't call him "Obama bin Laden" if you want anyone to take you seriously.
You're right - heavily taxing Big Oil would be a mistake. And it certainly won't bring down gas prices. I do support a windfall profits tax, however, so that too much of the money doesn't "pool" in one sector of the economy and prevent it from circulating through the rest of it. See my analogy about blood circulation below. A windfall profits tax is a moderate tax, not a heavy one, and the oil companies can stand it right now.
A stronger government hand is much more vitally important in the *regulation of commodities futures* on Wall Street. Some observers think that unregulated speculation of oil futures currently accounts for as much of the gas price rise as international demand, and speculation of this nature is utterly destructive to normal economic flow. Wall Street's near-complete unregulation has been an unmitigated disaster to not just the American economy as a whole, and to gas prices and the subprime mortgages in particular, but to *itself* - witness the black-hole collapse of Bear Stearns, one of the most self-interested entities on the Street.
One of the best and easiest partial solutions to the gas problem that no one at all is talking about, which I heard the other day, would be to lower the speed limit back to 55. It reduced gas consumption by a third last time we did it. That almost certainly means that gas prices would drop by a dollar or more, and the collateral effects would be fairly minimal (mostly reducing the volume of oil company sales, but even their execs are starting to have supply fears, as I understand it).
Speed limit 55. Great way to help the fuel crunch. Clinton was wrong to raise it. Pass the word along.
Comment: Oh, yeah, i will definitely vote for him and so are thousands in my town. McCaint is toast. Also, I would like to see what we will end up with, you wanna bet it's going to be better than what we have now?
Comment: Ok, "unnecessary war". Do you remember 9/11/2001?
"Recession" There is no recession, only a slowdown, and that has more to do with the dollar than
with Bush.
"Energy Policy" It's the democRATs in Congress that have caused the $4/per gallon gas pricespricesprices,BUSH
