Obama said he could pay for his programs by eliminating the Bush administration???s tax cuts for the wealthy, winding down the Iraq war and spending more on alternative energy programs that eventually will save money.
First, let me simple say just one thing - since I want to really focus on personal income taxes and not corporate taxes. Any confiscatory tax strategy on companies will hurt the economy - especially if oil companies are the ones targeted. Taxes are always passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices. These taxes punish shareholders who invest in oil companies. They will also slow the exploration of oil and the development of new technologies. If Barrack Obama really does care about the ???little guy??? - screwing over Exxon with confiscatory taxing is not the way to reduce prices at the pump.
Now - back to the issue of income taxes. From Barrack Obama???s campaign website:
Sounds good, right? Screw the rich - those idiot rich - with all their gold toliets, and fancy cars, and caviar lifestyle. Take their money away from them??? right! Confiscatory taxes - raise them through the roof on the wealthy - the evil, evil, wealthy. Like that commercial for JG Wentworth - Obama dressed as Uncle Sam is screaming, ???It???s my money??? and I WANT IT NOW!???
Those stupid millionaires, and billionares, like oh - well like Barrack Obama for example - or George Soros - and Bill Gates - or Warren Buffet - those guys will pay lots and lots more??? right! They deserve to pay more - since clearly they ripped us all off to get where they are??? the fat lot of them.
That???s what democrats THINK when they hear Obama speak. Now - that???s the ???smear??? in Obama language. Now let???s talk the truth.
Obama's Lame Claim About McCain's Money
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Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/21/2008 3:31:28 PM
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Posted By: nopartyaffiliation123 @ 06/21/2008 3:40:26 PM
hey, like i mentioned earlier, your non-factual statements won't do this time. The country needs to go another direction so all this talk won't matter. I thought that the newsweek poll giving Obama a 15 point lead actually favored McCaint, it don't think it will be this close. McCain't will have trouble winning his own state.
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Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/21/2008 3:55:54 PM
its a newsweak poll check the other polls and come back and spew your leftist liberal lies !!!
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Posted By: nopartyaffiliation123 @ 06/21/2008 4:01:47 PM
Actually, I am not a leftist, not a liberal and definitely not a liar. All I am is somebody that firmly believe that this nation needs somebody different to run it and prevent it from sinking into the third world. And that somebody isn't a person that voted with Bush 91% of the time.
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Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/21/2008 4:33:09 PM
did you check the other polls ??? saying what you read here at the far left makes you lie unless you check other sources!!!
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Posted By: nopartyaffiliation123 @ 06/21/2008 4:36:59 PM
I didn't call you a liar cause I don't know you, but I do know that you are wrong based on your statements. This country has suffered the past 8 years because of the current administration policies and voting for someone who sided with this very same administration 915 of the time won't resolve our issues. This isn't about left or right, it's common sense.
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Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/21/2008 5:12:50 PM
what can obama do in his white house he has no plan just saying change show me detailed policies that he has u can't because he's winging it mccain has some he has worked with dems for years and years
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Posted By: nopartyaffiliation123 @ 06/21/2008 5:18:22 PM
Go ahead, tell me, what are his policies? Beside siding with Bush who is dragging this country into to the 3rd world. Factual statements please!
Let me give you some about McCAIN: sided with Bush on an unnecessary war that cost us 600 billions, endorsing Bush's economic policies that lead us to a recession that's about to become a depression, same energy policy that's causing us to pay $5 for gas.... and on and on and on.....-
Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/21/2008 5:23:54 PM
check his voting record and then check obama's
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Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/22/2008 12:38:36 AM
Tried to check McCain's voting record, but there's not much to check. Seems he was gone quite a bit. Now aren't you embarrassed.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/22/2008 3:13:00 AM
http://www.ontheissues.org/john_mccain.htm
There you go.... I know you will cherry pick but if you had any medocrum of objectivity you will see that McCain has and does deviate from the Bush doctrine, much to the chagrin of Obama.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
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Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/22/2008 4:12:10 AM
O.K., we were talking about voting records and now you give me McCain's campaign website? Idiot.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/22/2008 4:29:44 AM
OMG.... can you not read....
www.ONTHEISSUES.ORG.... please tell me how that is John McCain's personal campaign website?
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Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/22/2008 5:16:41 AM
Still didn't see any information on how many votes McCain missed. According to Nins - who is always very buttoned up on her facts - McCain was second in terms of missing the most votes. The guy that was number one was in the hospital recovering from a brain hemorrage (probably from reading you posts).
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/22/2008 5:38:34 AM
Oh I get it.. your talking about for the last few months.. I was talking about the last 26 years.... my bad.
See its easy to say.... my bad.... you should try it sometimes....
Ha ha you call me an Op Chaos plant... then go and give Nins as your source.... ha ha ha ha
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Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/21/2008 5:22:59 PM
go to www.johnmccain .com and see
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/21/2008 5:47:48 PM
No one from his campaign is claiming Obama's going to "screw the idiot rich". And you're right, fortunes are usually more a result of free economics than real ripoffs, at least in a competitive market; monopolies are different and the oil industry is not monopolistic. But eliminating the tax cuts on the wealthy is a good idea, and I'll tell you why.
It sounds like you're advocating classic Reagan-era trickle-down economics, in which the rich presumably use increased revenue/windfall profits to create more jobs and stimulate the economy. The problem is, it doesn't work. Classically, the rich save and the poor spend - which is usually why the rich are rich and the poor are poor. The problem with this is it tends to "pool" the money, not "trickle" it back down. Money helps the economy best when it circulates.
I've often wondered why the rich so heavily oppose subsidies to the poor, because the reality is that the poor rarely use this money to become rich in some kind of "unfair" way. Typically they spend it like a dying man with cancer on wages day at the track, pump it right back into the economy, where it heads right back to company owners, those providing goods and services, etc. It hardly helps the poor out of their economic situation; only education really has an effect on that. But it *does* provide at least temporary relief - which at least temporarily drops crime - and the money *does* circulate back through the economy and provides stimulus to everyone as it passes through.
Money is like blood to a modern economy. Its primary purpose since olden days has been to *lubricate* and *facilitate* trade, but it *only* does this when it circulates. When it circulates freely, everyone gets a chance to spend it, and goods get exchanged, translating to a healthy economy, much in the same way that blood gets oxygen where it needs to be within a living organism. When it pools up, you get the analogy of hypoxia - certain tissues, or sectors of the economy in this analogy, get starved, and slowly die for lack of oxygen, or necessary goods. You also run the risk of "rupture" in the pooled areas - more money flowing out of the country for the purchase of lavish foreign goods, or the endless litigation that often ties up the fortunes of billionaires for years.
The windfall profits tax issue is a harder one, and some of your points are valid. On the other hand, gasoline profit margins are still around 7-10%, I believe. That means that about $7 out of every $75 that an American spends to fill up the tank goes to oil company profit. I'm not sure exactly where I fall on this issue - but it does seem to me that money is "pooling" a bit in petro-profit, and in a time of such privation by the rest of the economy, again, I can't see the current situation as optimal. -
Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/21/2008 3:33:26 PM
The truth is this - the majority of democrats when they talk about the ???wealthy??? - they???re talking about single income earners who make more than $75,000 a year. Basically, they???re talking about an IT guy who has a bachelors degree and about 7 years of experience post school. They???re talking about a paralegal, who has 10 or more years of experience in a law firm. They???re talking about the accountant - who has a few years under his/her belt at a firm. They???re talking about the sales manager of a medium sized firm - who is responsible for a region of the country and several million in sales. They???re talking about the production manager of that company - who???s responsible to see the products get made and delivered.
??? those are the jobs that pay about 75,000 a year. They???re likely the jobs YOU have.
Now, during this speech - Obama threw a curveball - he???s now saying he wants to screw-job those families making $250,000 a year. Sounds like alot of money right - quarter of a million dollars. I mean - these money-grubbing families and their wealty lifestyles??? THEY MUST PAY!
Again - that???s the ???smear???. Let???s talk about the truth.
These families are the double-income, double-professional degreed families. The mother and father both have advanced degrees - on which most of them are paying student loan payments between $500 and $1000 per month to pay off. They send their kids to public school - in all liklihood - except in places like DC area, where the schools are so bad they have to send their kids to private school for their own safety and education. The mother may be a manager, making $120k a year. The father is a professional too - he probably makes about $130K. Perhaps they???re both lawyers??? or doctors. Perhaps they???re home business owners - or small business owners. They???re responsible for payroll - and building businesses.
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Posted By: nopartyaffiliation123 @ 06/21/2008 3:55:11 PM
My friend, this isn't about being a Democrat or Republican. We have to wise up and regardless of our personal wealth or status, we must realize that things can't go on like they have been the past 8 years. The country is in trouble, Europe and Japan have long passed us, India and China are next, our families are struggling. Why wouldn't you want to try another path? And this path isn't siding with a candidate that voted with Bush 91% of the time.
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Posted By: Jillie @ 06/21/2008 8:25:50 AM
gee, what a surprise. a politician says one thing and does another when it is expedient. 'new'? the only thing new about obama is the depths he will go to portray himself as above it all when he is as down and dirty as they get.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 1:32:25 PM
Gee what a suprise, a "voter" who makes statements based on what FOXpublicans are telling her, not resaerching to fond out what was ACTUALLY said, by the "politician", just sheeping along and talking out of areas never meant to have a voice...
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Posted By: cookiegramma @ 06/21/2008 1:41:04 PM
Would you prefer that everyone gets thier information from Obamnc perhaps? The fact is that there are many other places where not everyone is falling over Obama's feet to wash them. My family has been forced to seach out places to watch real news and find out about the things that really are happening instead of hearing the Obama talking points every day as represented on certain other networks. Strange thing is, the ratings seem to show that there are a lot of people who are not watching the Obama channels anymore.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 5:24:41 PM
LMFAO!!! B-U-S-T-E-D!!! The only "place" that barks about "ratings" and lies every time it....drum roll please...FOX NOISE and especially Bill Orally. Poor little sheep, truth scares you so you go snuggle with Bill and Sean to hear what you need to believe the last 8yrs were NOT the worst thing to happen to this country EVER. To believe that we have not just spent 7yrs and almost 3trillion dollars KILLING OUR CHILDREN FOR "OIL". does it work for you? Does Bill make you feel warm and fuzzy (like Rove math)? Hope so, welcome to the 15% of sheeple who believe all is well, and thanks for offering to kill my son for OIL in the next 100yrs ;)...good day.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 8:16:55 PM
I know you have to have watched MSNBC and Keith Olberman. He constantly tries to play the "ratings" game against BIll O all the time.
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Posted By: biscuit @ 06/21/2008 9:43:54 PM
Is it me or does Keith Olberman have a man crush on Obama? I swear when he talks about Obama, he gets all giddy and glassy eyed.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 10:27:11 PM
Keith and Chris have something for Obama, I wouldn't call it a crush.
Both deserve no respect for what they did to Tim Russert after his death. Full of backhanded compliments then had the nerve to blast Fox News for reporting on comments that they (keith and chris) made the night before.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/06/020774.php-
Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/22/2008 1:50:26 AM
Let me help you out - it's called respect.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/22/2008 5:17:01 AM
I'm sure you didn't even bother to go to the website I provided a link to.... you would see how stupid Keith and Chris look.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/22/2008 2:15:55 AM
Ha ha sure...what ever lets you sleep at night.
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Posted By: purplepen63 @ 06/20/2008 10:36:11 PM
the facts are the facts....obama is a liar and a hypocrite...the rev. wright nonsense, father fleger, rezco, "im a unifier"(he hasn't agreed with 1 opposition idea), william ayers, nafta, campaign finance.he's just another politician pretending to be something different....just more b.s.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/20/2008 10:42:00 PM
"Purple pen" indeed. "Modern critics use "purple prose" to refer to any writing that is undermined by its overstylized and formulaic nature." - from Wikipedia on "Purple prose".
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/20/2008 10:46:34 PM
So you believe that Obama is a uniter?
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/20/2008 11:52:42 PM
I don't think any statements on unification or division can be made until someone has actually governed for a good stretch.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 12:11:09 AM
So we must elect him in order to find out? Ah, no...let him be Governor for a stretch, then come back about the unity thing.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/21/2008 12:54:15 AM
How have you debunked anything?
"Debunk" would imply that you've somehow proved that Obama does not have the ability to unify or heal the nation, which I can't see from your post. In point of fact, all you've done is *advocate* not giving him a chance, then tried to imply that he can't do it. This is akin to stating that a baseball player who's received zero at-bats is a terrible player because he's also had zero hits. That kind of thinking doesn't strike you as unfair?-
Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 8:19:57 PM
No sorry I'm not going to vote for him to "give him a chance."
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/21/2008 11:03:34 PM
You don't have to vote for him at all. Vote your conscience. Where did you get the notion that I want you to vote for Obama? I'm criticizing the last statement of your "debunk" post, and not anything else.
It seems like you misunderstand my arguments a lot, and assign me a more extreme position than I actually have. I didn't ask you to vote for him, I criticized your notion that you've debunked the idea that he can change anything. You're claiming that you've disproved it, I've stated that you haven't, because your argument that you've "disproved" his capacity for change has a logical fallacy.
You really, really need to try to respond to the things I *actually* say, man. I don't know if you're changing the subject on purpose to try to throw up dust, or whether or not you really are just misunderstanding everything. Either way, there's no debate if you stray from the debate points, and you're not likely to convince anyone rational that your views should be influential.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 11:19:53 PM
ha good one, took you long enough. We both know, we were talking about Obama being a uniter. The fact that me and other Clinton Dems are going to vote for McCain....Debunks Obama's claim to be a uniter. You sir are trying to change the debate because you know you can't support Obama's claim of unification.
The fact that in Wisconsin, a Clinton delegate is getting removed because she supports McCain over Obama, debunks Obama's claim at unification.
"I was attacked in the Internet blogs and by Keith Olbermann as a racist. I have been receiving threats at my home and threats to my children." http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=116583 watch that more Clinton Dems going over to McCain because Obama can't keep his own people inline with the whole unification thing.
Want MOAR?
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Posted By: McCainwillwin @ 06/20/2008 11:58:13 PM
Bush proved he's a uniter, for which I'll never forgive him. Following the 2004 election, he had his foot on the throat of the democrat party and he let 'em up. He should have crushed 'em while he had the chance. It came back to bite him on 2006. I bet he wishes he could have 2004 all over again... I know I do.
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Posted By: dreffein @ 06/21/2008 3:17:47 AM
Sharenews - although I saw the ad today, it was reported tonight on CNN that moveon.org will no longer be running ads (at least for the time being). I'm assuming if Repubs start unloading, moveon will be back in business.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/21/2008 3:54:35 AM
Hi Dreffein, I only heard lately of the baby Alex and mom debackle of an ad against McCain as of latest ads. It will be intersting to see how these two parties decide how to move forward with their ADs. That is for sure.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 1:40:56 PM
Hey "wonder twins" it's a GREAT add, it does not "bash McCain, or call his character into question, it simply states a fact that all of us who have sons that will be 18 any time in the next 100yrs are thinking, MCCAIN CAN"T HAVE HIM, not for ever, not for a "war for OIL". This DOES NOT fall under the classification of a "swift boat" add. Niehter does the John Cusak add, it also only states that facts, if you disagree, then PROVE IT.
Wonder Twins activate..."form of a George Bush, shape of a John McCain"..."wait, why are we the same?"..lol-
Posted By: biscuit @ 06/21/2008 9:47:27 PM
Oh, so if the republicans run clips of Rev. Wright and Obama's statement that he is like an Uncle to him, it's OK , because in fact, it is true?
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 10:27:40 PM
lol good point!
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/21/2008 4:22:22 PM
It was a pathetic attempt to exasterbate the well known (played with) words of McCain to make it sound like he endorsed keeping our troops fighting in IRAQ for 100 years. Instead the ad only made Obama look stupid even though moveon.org created it. Everyone of course saw thru that embarrassing ad for Obama.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 5:28:39 PM
So McCain NEVER said "If we are in Iraq for 100yrs, I'm ok with that."? It's NOT GERMANY, It's NOT KOREA, don't be a sheep, besides it's the 3rd war also, Iran, that Lieberman/Bush/Mccain?Cheney all want so desperately. 3 wars, no troops no money, where do YOU think it's heading?
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 8:18:27 PM
Cherry picking the information? I though Obama supporters where better than that?
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 8:17:47 PM
It plays on FEAR. The same kind of ad , that them Dems cried out about during the 2004 election.
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Posted By: GregAugustaGA @ 06/21/2008 12:23:19 PM
Oh my, you kool aid drinking Obamaites are so hostile and sensitive. Remember it was he who thought higher gas prices were ok, just not run up as fast as they have. This clown will have us paying $20 a gallon. He is a total socialist. Tax and spend, spend and spend. The spend more.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 1:19:20 PM
Awe sweetie, it is we that make the cool aid, the flavors, well there's "sweet cherry change" and "no more warberry". We like them a lot more than the drinks you all serve "terrorist twist, apple fear all over,
Besides talk about drinking the cool-aid...since when does Obama control the HEDGE FUNDERS? You F#$KING SHEEP, it's been all the buz, until "BUSH", the source of all that is true, said it was the Democrats fault. So what, NOW bush is telling the "truth"?...lmao.-
Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 6:59:53 PM
Oh no the "evil" Hedge Funders....oh no they are the new Nazi's right?
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/21/2008 7:42:49 PM
Nope, they're not Nazis. But some people think that speculators have driven up the price of oil, and therefore gas, by a dollar or more...
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 8:15:21 PM
No speculator have driven up the price of oil. That is a fact. The other part of the issue is that not enough was done back in the 70's and 80's to deal with this problem. Both sides, Dems and GOP made too much money from it, they didn't want to see a cash cow go away.
The problem is see from the Left is that they want someone to blame and they chose "Big Oil." Big Oil is a good scapegoat right now. They have a part in it but they aren't the whole problem. The Dems want to blame blame blame everyone but themselves. The Dems in Congress have done nothing to help eleviate the issue of Energy since coming into power in 2004. Its more like Salem Mass, they are trying to "get" Bush. What is hilarious is that so far Bush has been smart enough (Pains me to give him that much credit) to get caught in anything. How much money has Congress wasted on "getting" Bush?
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Posted By: cookiegramma @ 06/21/2008 1:29:14 PM
All the Obama supporters must really love his inheritance tax plan. Gives the country 45 percent of what paople have taken a lifetime to save and he'll allow the rest to go to the family or charity. What a wonderful incentive for everyone to start saving if there is anything left in the budget after filling the gas tank and pretending to heat the house.
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Posted By: McCainwillwin @ 06/21/2008 1:04:05 PM
Sorry to disagree with you Greg, but osamabama won't have us paying $20 a gallon. He is going to lose the election just as his liberal predecessors, algore and kerry did.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 1:12:38 PM
First of all, the whole reason there is such a stink, and EVERY McBush supporter IGNORES what was actually said by Obama, it that everybody on both sides know McCAin Can't raise any money on his own, and he could have en endless dabate with...of all people...himself from 2000, 04, 06, 08, 5minutes ago. I believe that the majority of voters (aka Obama supporters), have NO problem with Obama's CHOICE, he did not flip flop, that's laughable, he said IF he got the nomination, he would TRY to come to an agreement about it, there was NO agreement, he made his CHOICE, he never said he would ABSOLUTELY, as if there were no other option, use it. GET OVER IT!
McCainites are just jealoous, their old man can get niether the crowds or the money, too bad, maybe McCain should try seperating himself from bush and try listening to the people of this country, we don't want or NEED to be in Iraq for 100yrs.-
Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 06/21/2008 1:43:58 PM
Hey dummy,
Once again, for the tenth time. It is Obamination, not Obama. A 100 yr presence if need be, NOT 100 yrs of war. McSame? Try McMaverick, he has crossed party lines more times then ANY democrat EVER. A vote for Obama is a vote for Africa, a vote for more of the same flip flopping,i.e, Campaign financing, Troop pullout, not hearing the revs nasty sermons,etc A vote for raising every damn tax he can milk. A vote for dismantling our nukes to leave America open for any attack by his muslim buddies. Just so no to the Obamination-
Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 2:02:06 PM
Awe what a good little sheep. you hit just about every one of the Sean Hannity/FOXpublican talking points that there has been, so cudos to you.
UNFORTUNATELY, as usual you are FULL OF RACIST SH!T! Nobody cares about Rev Wright, unless you just want to again boost his numbers and make him stronger, like each time it came up in the primaries. Also Only about 13% of voters still think he's Muslim, 13% why does that sound familuar? Oh yeah that is the combined number of people from Wva And Kn who said they would not vote for him because he's BLACK, not Muslim, BLACK.
You see I have figured out the whole "Muslim" joke. I refuse to believe that 43 million people can be that STUPID, when it is clear that he is NOT and NEVER has been a Muslim. He is however BLACK and always has been (at least half). It's not ok, or socially acceptable to hate himm for being "Black" you can't just come out and call him the "N" word, not anymore. BUT, you can hate him if you "believe" he's Muslim, right now that is acceptable socailly, now only by about 28% of the population, but it's easier to claim that's why YOU hate him and get away with it then to just say..."I hate that "N" word"...and it makes you angry that you can't just come out and say it, you think it should be your right, and it is, you're just a coward, so you say "Muslim" instead of "N" word. Shame on you RACIST.-
Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 6:58:03 PM
Oh your so right, the only reason possible that anyone can not like Obama is because he is black. Whatever....you hate McCain cause he is white.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 7:29:55 PM
Not at all the case, you can have your oppinion, but when you voice an "oppinion" on a candidate, that's fine. Whe you do so stating absolute LIES, and name calling it only shows one thing...
You want to say he has "no experience" and I want to say "more of the same" niether one of us say "age", "wright", "bush", "Muslim", "cindy", "Michelle" etc you get it, then we can have a civil debate.
But when HolyNazi starts in about "Hussein" (which I find it very cute that Holy calls him "handsome"), and Muslim, and all the other TALKING POINTS that are BS and we ALL really know it, it becomes a battle instead of a debate, of course Holy is like a Peter McNeely...lol
Hope we can have a healthy debate and leave out the LIES, best wishes ;)-
Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 8:10:16 PM
Oh I agree, the problem is Lies are subjective. No one really knows the "truth" about Obama or McCain because there isn't anything published. (from reputable sources)
I would say , race, age, cindy, michelle, any religion shouldn't be discussed. They are non issues or distractions.
Experience, McBush, More of the same and Wright are legitimate issues that need to be resolved.
I only say Wright because I see it as a judgment issue not about race, I see the Obama supporters throw out more race stuff than anything else on here.
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Posted By: Nins @ 06/21/2008 2:19:17 PM
You hit the nail on the Head, HD.
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Posted By: marie_webb @ 06/21/2008 1:54:38 PM
His name is Obama.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 2:28:39 PM
YEeeaaaaAAAHH!? And?
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Posted By: cookiegramma @ 06/21/2008 1:25:08 PM
About the money raising thing, your facts are just a bit iff the mark. While Obama raised 22 million in May, McCain raised just under that 21.5 million in the same time.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/21/2008 4:13:09 PM
THE CAUCUS
The New York Times
June 5, 2008
McCain???s $21.5 Million May
By Michael Cooper
ORLANDO ??? All the time spent fund-raising is beginning to pay off for Senator John McCain, whose campaign said Thursday that it raised a record $21.5 million in May and ended the month with $31.5 million in cash on hand.
While the campaign???s haul still falls short of Obama-style fund-raising ??? Senator Barack Obama???s campaign reported raising $31 million in April ??? it is much more competitive than it has in been in the past. And it comes as the Republican National Committee has been enjoying a money advantage over the Democratic National Committee.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/21/2008 7:44:24 PM
There's WAY too much name-calling and baiting on both sides here.
I support Obama, but I won't call names at any of his competitors. Everyone in America deserves a race run with as much dignity as we can muster.
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Posted By: Perusing-through @ 06/21/2008 7:33:00 PM
Sounds to me like a bunch of 'Swift-boaters' are upset that Senator Barack Obama didn't take the bait and walk into their September/October ambush. Obama is no idiot. He knows the Repuplican supporters speak with forked tongues.
Unfortunately for McCain, Obama is wise beyond his years, and a real Ivy-Leaguer with Chicago style street-smarts to boot. Oh, and I heard the young man is pretty good in a 'political knife fight'. I would just love to see him go toe-to-toe on stage with '3rd-Term McSame'. Slow-poke McSame will not get the same warm-fuzzies Obama afforded Hillary.
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Posted By: The Eagle Spirit @ 06/20/2008 12:45:33 PM
I am now turned off in the most serious way of Promoting Barack Obama For President Of The United States. When he starts meeting with the Cliintons and campaigning with a Clinton. shows me he is not for "Change" he preaches. It shows me this campaign is leading to more of the same. I definitly am not promoting him any longer. He should have already chosen his running mate (and not Clinton) who will be his down fall. Once his running mate was picked (excluding Clinton) that running mate is who he should be campaigning with.
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Posted By: Perusing-through @ 06/21/2008 7:06:00 PM
I too cringe as Obama steps out with the Clintons. But he has absolutely no choice. Obama has to play nice with the Clintons. Why? Because Hillary has 'mind-control' over 14-million voters and Obama will need them in November. (BTW I said 14-million voters because DNC primary exit polls indicate 4-million of the 18-million votes cast for Hillary came from 'mischievous Republican-crossovers' with absolutely not intentions to vote democrat. These 4-million Hillary voters were always planning to vote Republican in November).
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Posted By: kgibson20 @ 06/20/2008 2:55:52 PM
Unfortunetly for Obama he doesn't have a choice but to work with Hillary Clinton for the better of the Democratic party. She is loved as much as she's hated. It would be smart for him to wait until McCain has chosen a running mate so that he can make the best choice possible.
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Posted By: mlbuie @ 06/20/2008 1:40:26 PM
Obama, Clinton and all the Democrats have said all along once the Primaries were over, they would unite. Why is this a surprise for you? Do you want him to fail? Why would you want the Democratic Party to divide into two factions? we have our hands full as one! Come ON!
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Posted By: GustoMaybe @ 06/21/2008 8:56:43 AM
Obama doesn't need any excuses, lame or otherwise. The RNC would Swiftboat him to death if he went with public funding. As it is, he'll be able to counter them efficiently and effectively using the massive funding he will get from ordinary people. What you Republicans should worry about is the inevitable results of the enquiries that Obama will set up into the myriad Bush-Cheney malfeasances and outright crimes.
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Posted By: cookiegramma @ 06/21/2008 12:42:15 PM
You should check your facts before making claims. At this time the only 527 that has been active in the presidential election is moveon.org. There are no active Republican 527's yet. Will they come about, perhaps. However the single largest Republican donor for 527 pacs, the one who paid for the swift boating ads has claimed no interest in supporting such a pac this election season. That makes it pretty obvious that the Democrats who are loudly claiming they need protection against this type of ad, are the only ones using the media.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 1:29:19 PM
FALSE! there were a few in congressional emergancy elections in key repug states, where the adds linked what ever candidate to Obama as if that would scare people into not voting DEM, it back fired and the repugs lost their LONG held seats in these 3 "strong hlods"....lol
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 7:02:57 PM
You mean the same ads that Sen. McCain called out as "wrong?" Oh I'm sure you want to forget how McCain blasted those ads, that linked Obama to the Democratic candidates in those states....
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Posted By: cookiegramma @ 06/21/2008 1:34:41 PM
Drink some more of your kool-aide. Those ads were sponsered by the Republican party in those states, not 527's. The upset was that the state party groups were independant of the national organization.
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Posted By: GregAugustaGA @ 06/21/2008 10:25:07 AM
Here's hoping the RNC just "swiftboats" him back to the Senate.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 1:25:01 PM
"Swift Boat"? Well McCain was never in a "swift boat" as that would have actually required him to FACE AN ENEMY face to face, there is however an even larger grooup that would love the "green light" to go after McCain...that group, American POWs, they do not like "The Song Bird" very much or the 32 propaganda films he did for the VC. Yeah your "hero" (lol) has some skeletons (understatement).
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/21/2008 7:00:56 PM
So angry you are. Are you mad cause realized Obama isn't all he says he is, so now you have to attack anything and anyone that doesn't like him. You poor thing.
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Posted By: a0268 @ 06/21/2008 5:42:33 PM
nppartyaffiliation's name is a lie. He/she obviously belongs to the Marxist Party headed by Barak Hussein Obama, or Obama Bin Laden, or whatever his name is. I'm sorry , I can't say anything negative about him can I? Go ahead and vote for him and I hope you like what you end up with. I can assure you I won't. Do you not listen to anything the man says. He's says there needs to be a stronger government hand so that wealth can be more equitably distributed. He wants to tax "Big Oil" so you can pay more for gas. If you think that gas tax will bring down prices you're soely mistaken.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/21/2008 6:52:52 PM
You certainly can't call him "Obama bin Laden" if you want anyone to take you seriously.
You're right - heavily taxing Big Oil would be a mistake. And it certainly won't bring down gas prices. I do support a windfall profits tax, however, so that too much of the money doesn't "pool" in one sector of the economy and prevent it from circulating through the rest of it. See my analogy about blood circulation below. A windfall profits tax is a moderate tax, not a heavy one, and the oil companies can stand it right now.
A stronger government hand is much more vitally important in the *regulation of commodities futures* on Wall Street. Some observers think that unregulated speculation of oil futures currently accounts for as much of the gas price rise as international demand, and speculation of this nature is utterly destructive to normal economic flow. Wall Street's near-complete unregulation has been an unmitigated disaster to not just the American economy as a whole, and to gas prices and the subprime mortgages in particular, but to *itself* - witness the black-hole collapse of Bear Stearns, one of the most self-interested entities on the Street.
One of the best and easiest partial solutions to the gas problem that no one at all is talking about, which I heard the other day, would be to lower the speed limit back to 55. It reduced gas consumption by a third last time we did it. That almost certainly means that gas prices would drop by a dollar or more, and the collateral effects would be fairly minimal (mostly reducing the volume of oil company sales, but even their execs are starting to have supply fears, as I understand it).
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Posted By: nopartyaffiliation123 @ 06/21/2008 6:51:25 PM
Oh, yeah, i will definitely vote for him and so are thousands in my town. McCaint is toast. Also, I would like to see what we will end up with, you wanna bet it's going to be better than what we have now?
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Posted By: Perusing-through @ 06/21/2008 6:44:58 PM
To Mr. Brook Jackson of FACTCHECK.ORG , , , , , Reading your article was painful. It is always painful reading articles where the producers of stuff like this purposely leave out, or minimize weighty critical facts that are guarantee game changers. Obama spoke the truth but you refuse to factor in all variables and to put the proper weights on those variables. . . . . . . . As you stated less than 1.7% of McCain's "current" totals are from lobbyist and PACs. Don't you find it very strange that traditional Republican supporters are holding back millions that would normally be in the coffers of Republican candidates? The monies are not there because they were waiting for Senator Obama and the DNC to lock in his campaign to taxpayer funding. Also, what have your investigation turned up as to why this is so? Oh, you have not queried those issues? And with all your logic, experience and wisdom, do you really believe that by October-1 an avalanche of GOP lobbyist & PAC financial support would not have been raised to something significantly higher than the current 1.7% (had Obama actually locked in). . . . . . . Senator Barack Obama did the right thing and for the right reasons by optioning out of taxpayer funding. If Obama had locked his campaign into the maximum $85-million, the smart GOP lobbyist and PAC money would have come forth to financially smack Obama around very hard in September and October; when it would be far harder for Senator Obama to reverse course and raise the money via the Internet to successfully to compete for the White House. . . . . . Now please go back and analyze the truth with all the facts and variables.
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Posted By: a0268 @ 06/21/2008 5:31:02 PM
Ok, "unnecessary war". Do you remember 9/11/2001?
"Recession" There is no recession, only a slowdown, and that has more to do with the dollar than
with Bush.
"Energy Policy" It's the democRATs in Congress that have caused the $4/per gallon gas pricespricesprices,BUSH-
Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 5:52:00 PM
You're so F@#ked up there is NO hope for you. But I'll try...
1. Iraq had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11/2001 IDIOT!
2. The only people who in the last week have said the Democrats had ANYTHING to do with oil companies, including those the Bush family own or are involved with, raising prices, is BSUH the beakon of truth, McBush, the parrot of GW. and their litle motuh pieces. ITS HEDGE FUNDERS...IDIOT!
Try and actually come informed with more than "TALKING POINTS" from now on, mmmkay? ;)
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Posted By: scootmandubious @ 06/21/2008 12:54:42 PM
It wasn't so much the swift-boat attacks in '04 that alarmed me, as much as it was the media's willingness to let such unproven slander define the political discourse. The Swift-boaters did not actually spend all that much money. They didn;t have to, they had a willing accomplice in the media, including publications such as Newsweek.
I do not blame Obama for mistrusting the GOP. Their campaigns have always been about raising the spectre of fear, and casting aspersions on their opponents patriotism, to win elections.
The bottom line...since the GOP never plays fair...I have no problem supporting Obama...and watching him have a healthy fund-raising advantage. An advatage that hopefully, even Diebold won't be able to overcome.-
Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/21/2008 5:19:29 PM
I agree!
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Posted By: Skypoint @ 06/20/2008 5:51:25 PM
"I have a hard time understanding why any middle class or blue collar worker would consider voting for another Republican adminstration"
I have an equally hard time understanding why anyone from any class would vote for someone who doesn't just have a thin resume, he has no resume. By his own addmission, he started running for president while he was still getting lost in the Senate halls. He attended less than half of the Senate hearings. He with the American public when he's asked why he sat in a church pew for 20 years listing to a maniac he claims was his mentor.
The man wants to sit down with Achmoud Immanuttajob and visit. What's he gonna say? If he's going to ask him nicely to stop threatiening to take a soveriegn nation off the planet, or is he going to use harsh language? Either way, we've already tried that and it didn't work. Maybe he can talk to him about a Cowboys-Redskins game!
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Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/20/2008 6:42:05 PM
Yes, a lot of political experience in how we've always done things - that's exactly what we need. It's worked so well for the last eight years, why stop now.
And people in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. McCain had the second worst voting record in the Senate - and number one? He was recovering from brain surgery.
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Posted By: Skypoint @ 06/20/2008 6:52:08 PM
Zig, what is about Obama that excites you so? It must be his talk of "change" as that's all he has really said. When the day comes that he actuall defines "change" (which he, so far, has not) as well as how he will accomplish it, I will listen.
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Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/20/2008 7:12:31 PM
You mentioned CEO's in one of your earlier posts. People have all sorts of different opinions on what CEO's should be, especially for large corporations.
For me, I think there are a number of qualities that are important in a CEO. The first is the ability to inspire. The second is the ability to keep an open mind and view issues objectively. The third is the ability to surround yourself with competent people who can get the job done. I think if a CEO has those qualties, he or she can lead a company to success. They don't need to know all the ins and outs of the company. The same holds true for the President.
Now for Obama:
Inspiration - Look at how many people, especially young people, are becoming actively involved in politics, many for the first time. Also look at his donations - many small amounts from a large number of people, many of whom have never donated before.
Open Mind / Objectivity - He was one of the few who voted against the Iraq war when it was very unpopular to do so. The reasoning the Bush administration was giving never added up to him. Instead of following the rest of the lemmings, he stood up and said no. Same thing on Iran. Obama questioned the Bush adminstration on its Iran policy when it was very unpopular to do so - and several months later many of Obama's concerns were validated by the National Intelligence Estimate. (I know this last one is unpopular - please do not mistake the point I am trying to make with the belief that I do not think Iran is a threat - because I believe they are a very serious threat).
Competent People - Look at the people Barack selected to run his primary and how it was organized. They beat the Clinton machine - no easy feat. Barack didn't do this on his own - he was able to find the right people to get the job done.
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Posted By: Skypoint @ 06/20/2008 9:02:21 PM
Zig,
Excellent post. However I still see Obama as one who has little substance, essentially because he has no experience. I am alarmed that he can say so much and at the same time say so little. Trust me, I'd love to see a moderate come forward. In fact, I would vote for Senator Liberman in a heartbeat if he were running. With Obama's lack of experience and his past with "reverend Wright', (yes, this truly is an issue with me) as well as Louis Farakahn, I'd just as soon pass.
I'm not neccesarily a McCain fan... it's juxt that he's a little more trustworthy than Obama.-
Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/21/2008 5:15:45 PM
I understand your position, while at the same time not necessarily agreeing with it. I think Obama has a lot of experience when it comes to inspiring and mobilizing people, as well as getting people to actually take action ot effect positive change. That is the experience we need right now. He may not have a lot of experience when it comes to politics on the Hill, but for me, that is another point in his favor. We don't need more of the same. McCain may have more experience in that area, but I think no experience trumps bad experience in this case.
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Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/20/2008 7:01:29 PM
He has defined it. He has positions on all the major issues. You can find them on his Website:
http://www.barackobama.com
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Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/20/2008 6:17:38 PM
The "he has no experience" canard rings hollow. It's not going to fly with the American people. You guys will have to try a different talking point. In a "change election" people value inspiration over experience. The "experienced" folks such as McCain are who got us into this mess in the first place.
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Posted By: Skypoint @ 06/20/2008 6:26:36 PM
Yeah, I'll take anyone who's inspired over someone who's experienced!
Since I can balance my checkbook, I think I'll apply for CEO at Bank America!
I'm sure they'll hire me as, "I'm inspired".
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Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/20/2008 7:05:48 PM
We need a statesman in the Oval Office. These are dark times for American prestige around the world. They think we are buffoons for electing the abominable Bush not once but twice. We need someone fresh and energetic and willing to lift up the hood and repair what's been put so far asunder.
If Obama simply took just about every Bush policy and did the opposite, we'd be much better off than with McCain's continuation of the failed Bush doctrine. That takes no experience at all. Add to that Obama's proven ability to mount a formidable campaign from the bottom up.
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Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/20/2008 6:43:59 PM
McCain is experienced? At what? The guy is a fossil - he's still living in the 60's. That's not what we need.
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Posted By: GregAugustaGA @ 06/21/2008 2:42:14 PM
Where's the love and new kind of "politics"? Can't we all just "change"? BTW, as a proud Southern Democrat Obams's race or ethnicity has nothing to do with the reasons (there are MANY) I can't support him. I think he is basically a Socialist who will destroy this country. His radical views on dealing with our worst enemies frightens the hell out of me.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 4:08:49 PM
Everything you just said is the SAME fear based rhetoric that have driven the FOXpublican party for 7yrs now. Sorry you are still afraid, yet not afriad enough to see that John McCain is nothing but another BUSH, he even said he would consider a position for Cheney...WTF is that? 100years in a country that does not want was there, in a region where "infidels" are NOT welcome, is very dangerous and misguided, and would cost the country thousands of lives. THAT is what scares me, that actions of a man the would destroy not only this country but the lives of our sons and daughters who have swore to protect it, for just reasons, and NO other. We can not survive another 4yrs of what has been going on.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/21/2008 4:28:36 PM
You said: There are bigger things then "terrorist" to be afraid of.
I say: You are right. They are called: Barack and Michelle Obama-
Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/21/2008 4:48:40 PM
Sharenews - you had a typo, let me correct it for you:
Replace "Barak and Michelle Obama" with "McCain and the Republican Party". Notice that even I have enough class not to attack McCain's wife.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 5:15:39 PM
The funny thing is...People were pounding their chests about how "strong" they claimed Hillary to be, yet in the face of a TRULY strong and intelligent woman, they show fear and ignorance. I just find it funny, they wanted a "strong" wm=oman in the White House and they are going to get it.
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Posted By: Bipolarmom @ 06/20/2008 11:49:07 PM
I have never voted in favor of a Republican canadate before; howerver this year McCain gets my vote. Obama scares me on many levels.
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Posted By: tc125231 @ 06/21/2008 12:15:24 PM
You're an idiot. Hope you like $12 gas, hon.
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Posted By: McCainwillwin @ 06/21/2008 1:07:53 PM
Idiot liberals will have us paying $12 a gallon unless we start pumping our own, and building more refineries. No, you can blame the scum sucking, liberal, environmental freaks for our gas and oil problem, not Republicans.
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Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/21/2008 4:58:00 PM
Don't blame us environmental freaks. There is pleny of oil to be had in areas where oil companies are currently allowed to drill. The problem is that it is harder to get at and the oil companies don't want to invest any of their billions of dollars in profits trying to get it. They just want the easy stuff. Sort of the same way they don't want to spend any of their profits on improving refining capacity.
As always, it is not the environmentalists, it is corporate greed that is to blame.
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Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/21/2008 4:54:18 PM
Bipolarmom? Does that mean tomorrow you'll have never voted in favor of a Democrat canadate before; howerver this year Obama gets your vote because McCain scares you on many levels.
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Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/21/2008 1:44:48 PM
He only scares you in ONE way, we all know what that is, good day.
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Posted By: Conliberal @ 06/20/2008 4:54:28 PM
YAAAAWn! You pathetic Republicans are so upset that a energetic candidate such as Obama is a sharp politician compared to this flip flop unstable traitor McCain. Stop your whining and look at a great Democrat beat you at your own game.
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Posted By: McCainwillwin @ 06/20/2008 5:02:05 PM
The only great democrat WAS Truman. Osamabama is a loser and he's going to get TROUNCED!
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Posted By: mrzoid @ 06/20/2008 5:05:42 PM
FDR jackass.
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Posted By: McCainwillwin @ 06/20/2008 5:16:38 PM
I agree, FDR WAS a jackass. Thanks for making my point.
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Posted By: mrzoid @ 06/20/2008 5:19:13 PM
Yeah sure pal, who was the last three term republican? What was his name?
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Posted By: McCainwillwin @ 06/20/2008 5:26:24 PM
Fortunately for you libs, the 22nd Amendment prohibited Ronald Reagan from being a 3rd and a 4th term president.
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Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/20/2008 6:41:54 PM
Well, a third-term Reagen with even more degrade faculties due to alzheimer's would probably do less damage to the country than Bush I. So maybe it would have been a good idea. Plus, we could have run Bill Clinton again. God I miss that guy in the White House. I could actually pay my mortgage back then.
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Posted By: McCainwillwin @ 06/20/2008 8:28:17 PM
Suckin' Bush... If he wouldn't have cut taxes, you could be paying your mortgage just as you did under clinochicco. No wonder you libs hate Bush! He's cut taxes so that we, working people, can pay our mortgatges, but societal sponges no longer can pay theirs.
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Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/20/2008 8:40:13 PM
He runs up the debt which causes the dollar to drop amongst other unsavory things. Clinton was right. Managing the deficit was important to the economy. Bush didn't care. He didn't want the books balanced. He wanted more money in the hands of his rich benefactors. He succeeded hansomly.
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Posted By: McCainwillwin @ 06/20/2008 8:58:51 PM
If clinochicco would have run up the debt fighting terrorism, the twin towers would still be standing and we wouldn't be at war right now. Clinochicco only cared about doin interns rather than doin terrorists...
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/20/2008 11:08:24 PM
The 9/11 hijackers trained for those attacks from late 1999 - when Clinton was preparing to leave office and could not reasonably declare war on anything or anyone, or start a major counterterrorism effort - up until 2001. That leaves about 60-90% of their training period under Bush's tenure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta
Take a look at Mohammed Atta, the pilot of one of the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers. As late as 1998, he was still a university student. No terror probe currently existing would have picked him up.
If we're talking about a preemptive attack that could have prevented 9/11, it seems that an attack on Afghanistan in 2000 would have been the *only* thing that could have disrupted it effectively. Why, then, is the onus on Clinton and *not* on President Bush for failing to have the proper intelligence and act on it back in 2000?-
Posted By: McCainwillwin @ 06/21/2008 12:12:12 AM
I guess maybe you have forgotten about the first time bin laden bombed the trade center? Clinochicco was in office at that time and he did NOTHING!
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/21/2008 4:56:26 PM
Nope, I recall. I actually do agree - not enough was spent during Clinton's tenure on counterterrorist efforts. The same guy was indeed the mastermind behind both plots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Shaikh_Mohammed
I'll concede this point. If Clinton had taken counterterrorism more seriously, we might have prevented 9/11. On the other hand, my other point is valid too - if Bush had taken counterterrorism more seriously prior to 9/11, we might have prevented it as well. So I'd modify my question; why is Bush off the hook as far as failing to prevent 9/11, but Clinton is not?
Hindsight is 20/20, as they say.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/20/2008 10:59:10 PM
Bush cut taxes almost nearly universally on the richest segment of American society. There are facts and figures all over the place that back up the fact that the middle class's purchasing power (read: effective income) has steadily declined during his presidency, and most can't get ahead.
The *working* class, on the other hand, is in serious, serious trouble now due to gas prices and rising food costs. There are 2.5 million American homes in foreclosure. If Bush has cut taxes so more people can pay their mortgages, he's doing a *terrible* job.-
Posted By: McCainwillwin @ 06/21/2008 12:10:59 AM
Look to the democrat controlled congress for the mess we're in. Everything, including the economy, was in great shape until those stooges took control.
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Posted By: mrzoid @ 06/20/2008 5:30:57 PM
Only by the republicans doing champ.
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Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/20/2008 5:41:41 PM
This country is done with the Rubpublican's for a while. Eight years of running this country into the ground is enough. McCain is going to get smoked.
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Posted By: nopartyaffiliation123 @ 06/21/2008 4:28:16 PM
Sharenews, I hope you will be able to justify to your kids voting for MCaint. I hope you will have a good explanation as to why they can't find jobs, pay for food or drive. Frankly, the way things have been going to past 8 years, i give it about 3 more years for us to become a 3rd world country with an infrastructure that hasn't improved since the 50's, thus explaining tragedies in the midwest today and Katrina a few years ago...
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