loriw: go and learn the queen's english then come back... u silly boy!!!!!
loriw: go and learn the queen's english then come back... u silly boy!!!!!
Lori -
Considering the pitiful (im)maturity level of that blogger, need I say more?
Is there a doctor in the house? No, Nims, I don't mean you! That blogger can use a real doctor.
GOODMORNING ALL!! LIFE IS JUST SO BEAUTIFUL!!!
I don't see McCain's problems going away. Unless, he and Charlie Black get there wish.....a hopeful attack on US soil to "strengthen McCain's chances".
Today's Gallup: "After more than a week of Barack Obama and John McCain being tied in Gallup Poll Daily tracking, Obama now holds a statistically significant five percentage point lead in the preferences of national registered voters, 47% to 42%, slightly larger than Sunday's 46% to 42% lead for Obama."
It seems (no matter how the GOP tries to spin it) the American public knows exactly what Gen. Clark was vocalizing. Military service becomes a very touchy subject, especially when the experience includes the amount of sacrifice that McC endured. BUT, IT IS NOT AN AUTOMATIC QUALIFICATION FOR POTUS. This is simple commonsense, NOT A SMEAR or a dismissal of McC's record. The media (running out of talking points) is fanning the flames on an obvious non-issue.
Don't forget Rasmussen: "Continuing the remarkable stability of recent weeks, the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows Barack Obama attracting 46% of the vote while John McCain earns 40%. When "leaners" are included, Obama leads 49% to 44%.
What's interesting is McCain's military service is beginning to cause quite a stir. Folks want to know more about his experience in Vietnam, AND how he was allowed to serve after graduating at the bottom of his military class: "After high school, McCain was accepted to the United States Naval Academy, though he was not a strong student. He was often disciplined for misbehavior and ultimately graduated near the bottom-790th out of 795-of the class of 1958."
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_did_JOhn_McCain_rank_in_the_Naval_Academy_1958_class
We just had 8 years of a C-average student running our country. NOW, we're going to elect an actual "FAILURE"?!?!?!?!!?
Oh, almost forgot about you folks who dismiss the polls and would rather see the ELECTORAL MAP.
RealClearPolitics has OBAMA leading by 78 electoral votes, and is leading in 5 out of 7 "battleground states".
Have a great day!!!!!!!
Kboogie -
At last - I've found the intellectual heavyweight on this site -
Greetings, and Yes, Life is Beautiful!
Gee, are you ever fixated on poles - Watch out for that one!
You possibly might have ???made??? a great or at least decent lumberjack.
Did you miss your calling?
Well, I guess that it's better than grasping for straws after the 2004 election.
In the meantime, it might be a more rewarding pursuit to concern yourself with crossword puzzles.
Do you really think that any of the current poles will have one iota of relevance in November?
Ditto for the current states electoral maps?
Now, in response to your comment distantly related to the fact that there has been no attack on the US since 9/11, you can thank your President, George W. Bush for that remarkable accomplishment in national security. The diminutively capable Barack Obama would be a "far cry" in comparison.
Would you be willing to bet your life on his ability or lack thereof?
You allude to the fact that John McCain graduated at the bottom on his military class, and that George W. Bush was a C-average student - see, even you, with some effort and study, might be able to become at least relevant, if not capable and accomplished, just as both of them have done.
But you definitely have to work ???at it??? - Barack Obama???s fantasy of an even more bloated government can???t hand you that.
Whoa - I just noticed all 7 of the exclamation marks which you placed after your "sign off" -
"Have a great day!!!!!!!" I???ve seen some of that before. Is this actual proof that many democrats don't really have much faith in anything that they believe or wish, and need to be convinced?
As a confidential bit of information - watch out - alvinernest is chasing your heels in that regard - he's already "at" 5 exclamation points on his last post.
It???s been a pleasure sparring with you!
Have a good afternoon (west coast) & good evening (east coast)!
Note - 1 exclamation point "will do it" - I'm definitely sure of myself.
loriw, ye who knows not and knows not that ye knows not is a fool!!!!!
alvinernest -
Time out - go to the corner again until you calm down. That's probably a place of comfort for you.
Utlilizing your very astute quote -"Ye who knows not and knows not that ye knows not is a fool!!!!!" (I notice that you are using 5 exclamation points now to convince yourself of that statement) - I suspect that it was originally dedicated to you. Who was the author - one of your university professors?
You may care to contact that higher establishment center of learning to request that the cost of your tuition be refunded to you. I'm certain that your letter of request would serve as evidence that your case is definitely meritorious.
Oh, by the way, do you even realize that others, maybe even your formerly fellow students, are able to read your rants here? You're not really looking that good, or even acceptable, or let alone tolerable!
But here's hoping for you! And as they say - Get a life!
And notice - I only used one exclamation mark after each comment. - Touche! (or should that be Touchy?)
p.s. - If you have anything remotely intelligent to say for yourself, please do post your comment.
But I'm not going to hold my breath for that possibility.
Hi Davole
you may call me Lori.
Do you reside outside of the USA?
Lori -
I do consider it an honour to greet you by your first name - thanks for the invitation.
In answer to your question - I am a Canadian who resides close to the US border.
I do share a great admiration and appreciation for the USA and its citizens - its history its present, and its future. And I am dedicated to searching for, and assimilating information, and speaking my mind honestly, compassionately, and effectively. My main possible fault would be that I am forthright, and not concerned with being "politically correct" - I prefer instead to be factually correct.
But I regard myself gratefully as a student - searching for knowledge.
If you would care to learn more about me and my opinions, please review my numerous posts dating back to around Jun. 22, 2008. That should enable you to know who I am, and what my opinions are.
Please "feel free" to discuss or dispute any of them.
And it looks as though we've somehow exposed a pitiful example of one of this sites, shall we say, less than disciplined bloggers. He is definitely a "complex case", to say the least. Are mental health issues totally funded by either the US federal or states governments? If not, maybe an exception can be made to divert funds from the national security budget.
I have spent some time this afternoon researching the comments posted by several of the bloggers whom you have mentioned. Although I had read many of them previously, that was sure enlightening. It seems that there hasn't been any recent activity from alvy. Maybe he has been respectfully retired.
But I did notice and save one articulate post from True Democrat @ 06/20/2008 9:22:10 PM. Now, in my estimation, that is definitely "a keeper"!
Yes, there are actually some thought provoking posts on this site, but sometimes, like a panhandler sifting through silt for gold, it helps to be experienced and know where to look.
Thanks again for your communication. Blog on!
alvinernest -
I had to cut my comment into 2 parts to comply with the site requirement that any comment be restricted to 3000 characters or less.
Here is the second part of my comment to you.
In your first post to which I replied on Jun. 28, 2008, you made 3 empirical statements -
???all Americans realise (realize?) that history has been all about economics ...
no one who is honest about modern America will do otherwise (than vote for Obama) ...
he has not stood up for race or money, he stands only for principle... and deep down inside we all know this!!!!???
Are these 3 statements of yours indicative that you have an ingrained problem discerning reality, and that you insecurely have an irrational compulsion to assume that you have massive support from others to develop and maintain your own personal confidence?
I???m sure that there is at least one honest person who does not agree with your pronouncements. And who actually appointed you to speak on behalf of everybody? Somehow I missed that news flash.
No, it hasn???t been my intention to patronise (patronize?) you. Do you not see that you have a problem tolerating another person???s opinions, especially well-founded verifiable opinions?
Do you notice that when opinions or facts are presented to you, you avoid even responding to them? That???s not even academic. A masters graduate should be able to do better.
Hopefully, as you age, you will learn to become more tolerant of the viewpoints expressed by others, and less focused on taking offence when another person tries to reason with you!
And note - I only used one exclamation mark to express my hope, and I am not going to post this same comment uselessly 3 more times.
Be thankful for your blessings! And I hope that you do get some help.
Thanks Davole, for the cut and paste instructions. Thanks for calling me "gal" makes me feel young, at my age most people call me "maam" which makes me feel really old. Call me what ever you what just don't call me late for dinner.
I've been watching Alvinerest, he appeared about the time Alvy disappeared from these blogs. Alvy was big on name calling. Watch and see what you think.
loriw -
Thanks for your quick reply.
Did the cut & paste instructions work for you?
On the internet, I usually prefer to cut and paste another person's comment into my reply so that I can respond effectively to each and every pertinent opinion or issue which the other individual has raised. Then I just delete the copied text, point by point, as soon as I have addressed each topic - works like a charm!
In some ways I would have appreciated alvinernest taking the time to comment specifically on
some of my stated viewpoints, but I guess that wasn't an intregal part of his educational process.
Also, I'm glad to call you gal.
And in regards to yourself or anybody else feeling that they are old - I stated in a previous post when somebody insinuated that he regarded me as old, that a person is only as old as they think or feel that they are. Also, with age occasionally comes experience, if that individual is cognitive. And hey, us conservatives, unlike many liberals, actually have a mind of our own - we consider other persons' comments, without being dependent on them Their opinions do not either control or deter us.
Thanks for the "heads up" regarding your suspicion that alvinernest and alvy may be one and the same. Could possibly be - I'm too new to this site to have even noticed or remembered seeing any posts by alvy.
Maybe he has a split personality - who knows? But I do like him, and I do hope that he does get some help, either from someone else, or else from an honest consideration of whether any of my comments to him have any merit. As they say - time will tell.
Well, it's been great hearing from you. Til next time - Ciao!
Haven't tried the cut and paste yet but have the steps jotted down for future use if needed.
I knew you were new to these posts. i jumped in just after the Indiana primary. I am undecided except for the fact that I will not support Obama if he takes Hillary as his VP.
As to these Newsweek blogs there are some interesting interactions... Alvey, Glimps and Pia I think all support Obama. Debunked is a strong Clinton supporter as is dreffin. Sharenews is also a Hillary supporter and Likeitis supports Obama. . if I'm wrong on any of these I'm sure they will correct me:)
Loriw -
I enjoy hearing from you again.
Try the cut and paste whenever you get a chance or would care to do so - it really is a useful tool.
Yes, the fact that I am a novice to these Newsweek posts radiates. But I sure enjoy this new experience, and the "farmer" in me relishes the thought of all that fertile mental ground ready to be weeded, tilled, planted, watered, and fertilized.
With regard to the "low down" (no derogatory intent) which you provided concerning some of the other bloggers, I do recognize a few of them - I have already interacted with some. There sure are ???some interesting interactions" here.
Sharenews is definitely my favourite, but I'm disappointed that she hasn't posted lately.
I hope that she is feeling well!
Well, I guess that it is obvious which American party I would support. It may be a "guy thing", but my respect for an individual can be determined by considering with whom would I care to share a beer or coffee, and some conversation. Your President George W. Bush is an individual who would definitely pass that subjective qualification. Even though he has been maligned on a daily basis by the opposition and main-stream media, just like the Duracell Bunny, he "takes the hit", and "keeps on ticking", without casting aspersions regarding his frustrated detractors. Very presidential! Yes, he has made mistakes. I believe that his major mistake has been not designating any one specific individual to the primary task of explaining effectively to the nation what he is doing, and why he is doing it.
With regard to American politics, I am surprised that the populace do not forcefully express their displeasure with a revamped Congress which has wasted the past 2 years in doing nothing constructive, but instead has denigrated itself by daily criticizing and attempting to obstruct the President.
And all at the taxpayers' expense!
And I find it difficult to understand why the public allows unrelated topic earmarks to be attached to bills or motions being considered. Those wasteful partisan expenditures definitely waste more taxpayers money.
Ok, I've raised a few issues. Would any bloggers care to comment in this regard?
Loriw - Have a good day, and I do look forward to hearing from you again.
To :Davole
Yes, I am young! but that is my advantage... I haven't got the burden of the past.... I dare say that you must be "old"... you sound it... slavery was not abolished for philanthropic reasons... nor was integration... it was done because of economics i.e. the cost of social unrest... just like today diversity in business and politics is not about love or ethics its about markets and profiting from all of them... its about competitive intensity and business survival...
Obama has just completed a long and intensive primary process, through which his involvement and interaction with the American people has informed him about the true democratic position, by that I mean what the majority of the people believe... of course politicians will have their own views, but it is their responsibility to make thier case while listening to the people and if after that process they conclude that people are still not totally intune with their perspective, then they shift their position to reflect the democratic majority position. If Obama did not take the people's view on guns and financing on board I would then class him as being elitist, but he has listen to people and shifted his positions accordingly but in a way which allows the discussions to continue... he has not abandoned his views and as a principled politician he will continue to seek to influence the American people... but the democratic principle says that he must reflect the will of the people....
Of course all parties are seeking support from all segments (here I use the word "all" twice again, because I choose too; because I am pragmatic; I want to commuincate; I am not here to "garnish" my words, that might be an "old" principle not a contemporary one) but they play them like a deck of cards against each other.. Obama is the only candidate not playing that game... he is "straight up" and honest! I don't need to be convinced, I am already a fan!!!!
alvinernest -
I had to cut my comment into 3 parts to comply with the site requirement that any comment be restricted to 3000 characters or less.
Here is the third part of my comment to you.
Do I detect a subtle accusation or criticism in your implying something about ???garnish(ed)??? words? Are you attempting to denigrate mine? If so, haven???t your parents or teachers taught you that it is impolite to criticize another person???s accumulated vocabulary, especially if it is sizeable? I don???t need or intend to apologize for having developed one which exceeds 2 or 3 hundred words. I???m sure that you???ve heard the expression - ???Use it, or lose it.??? I???m using mine as often and effectively as I can.
And then, you introduce an interesting item - a deck of cards.
Could, and would you please explain to me, why does the democrat deck only contain 23 cards - the race card, the gender card, the victim card, the social class card, the environmental crisis card, the knock America card, the appease criminals card, the rewrite history card, the relegate foreign policy to foreigners card, the utopia card, and then also the anti-oil card, the anti-coal card, the anti-nuclear card, the anti-natural gas card, the anti-big business card, the anti-religious card, the anti-protection of human life card, the anti-morals and integrity card, the anti-US military card, the anti-security card, the anti-logic card, the false democratic card, and lastly - the recently added joker card which trumps everything?
Yes, gambling with that stacked deck can be disastrous and catastrophic for the nation!
In response to your statement that you do not need to be convinced that Obama is honest (I won???t go there with any comment about your view that he is ???straight up???), yes I can see that you are a fan (and I did notice your use of the 4 exclamation marks again to help convince yourself regarding the truth of your belief).
But consider what fans usually do.
Consider your post critiqued! Is there anything else you would care to add?
Alvinernest, you have demonstrated that you are an intelligent individual.
My sincere advice to you - study ???hard???, and be receptive to opposing and conflicting ideas!
Also, be honest with yourself, tolerant toward others, and don???t be disillusioned!
don't patronise me, i am very well educated thank you (masters from one on the top european universities)... but you are right, i am meek and my philosophy is that i know nothing... i am open to learning but i have no time for bigots - i characterise "conservatism" as a religion - emtional with little objectivity... unable to see that on change can delivers progress...
sorry that should have read ...only change can deliver progress...
alvinernest -
And sometimes change can bring regress - it isn???t always beneficial - that???s where experience ???comes into play???!
alvinernest - Hello again:
Thanks for dedicating your post to me - possibly in your youthful exuberance you didn???t realize that replies are usually directed by using the ???Reply??? button.
You are partially correct in your assumption that I must be old - I say partially because the word ???old??? has different connotations to various people of different chronological ages. I believe that any individual is only as old as they consider themselves to be. But in reference to me, you might be demonstrating the bias of not being able to see the forest for the trees. I do regard myself as experienced, and somewhat educated, but still learning, not old.
I hope that I haven???t lost you there.
And again you are partially correct in stating that youth (or ???yout??? in today???s lingo) hasn???t got the burden of the past. It all depends on how you perceive and value past experiences and knowledge - as a burden, or as an advantage. I believe that most conservatives tend to regard experience positively as an advantage, whereas many liberals tend to view it negatively as a disadvantage.
You opine that ???slavery was not abolished for philanthropic (my comment - good word, used well - I???m impressed) reasons... nor was integration... it was done because of economics???.
I believe those advances were done because of good intentions, but irrespective of our disagreement here, even if it were done out of economic considerations, do you at least agree that it was a good result? Now, are you aware that those magnificent advances, along with integration of the educational system, were, at that time, being opposed by the democrat party? And some times they used deplorable methods to demonstrate their opposition to those proposals and regulations. Why?
And to a lesser degree extent, many democrats in the so-called educational institutions choose to continue perpetuating their outdated propaganda by banning or shutting-down individuals who dare to voice a democratic right to free speech which differs from, or even challenges, their closed mentality. Do you support their tactics and (mis)behaviour?
alvinernest -
I had to cut my comment into 3 parts to comply with the site requirement that any comment be restricted to 3000 characters or less.
Here is the second part of my comment to you.
Yes, I agree with your assertion that Obama has toured the country (he said all 57 of its states), to garner public opinion about his campaign. But I am not naive enough to believe that his intention is to hear the people so that he can democratically profess their views. I think that his motivation is more sinister - he is just trying to gauge how far he can go on pushing his blatantly socialist and massive and expanding government agenda. He will be everything to everybody, whatever that entails.
You assert that Obama has taken the people???s view on guns on board - the right to bear arms is entrenched in the Constitution - no ???ifs, ands, and buts???. But does this great excuse for an intellectual have more insight that all the founding fathers? That sure sounds elitist, novice, and ridiculous, to me!
You believe that Obama shifts his position to reflect the democratic majority position. No, I disagree with you here - he is merely sticking a wet finger in the air to determine in which direction the wind is blowing. He is willing to adopt and spout the view of almost any radical group, until it is challenged. Then he makes excuses for his support, and when that action is criticized further, he throws that individual or organization ???under the bus???. Gee, I wonder whether he has made arrangements to hire the complete fleet of the Chicago transit system to facilitate his future dismissals.
I am calling Nins bluff. Nins claims to be a doctor but I doubt it. First off, this abortion debate is the first time I have seen Nins comment on anything medical. There has been discussion about Hillary and Obama's health care plans but Nins was silent. Nins made a derrogatory comment about Cindy McCain being a stroke victim, something I would not hear from any doctor ( I called Nins out on that one too and Nins apologized but it was a tasteless comment to begin with). Nins claims to own at least one business(may own 2 but never states what they are) seems very, very concerned about the whole oil price thing. My gut instinct is that Nins is a political plant and not a doctor at all at least not a medical doctor.
loriw -
It's refreshing to see your post.
Likewise, I have challenged Nims on several pronouncements of his, but he has failed to respond.
I do not regard him to be a competent medical doctor, nor even a caring one, and I have even stated that in one of my posts directed at him.
But I do regard him as being smooth, slick, and deceptive - a typical Obama operative who is attempting to dupe the thought-restricted democrat supporters who only tune in to the traditional mainstream media that blatantly portrays Barack Obama as the great messiah. That excuse for a candidate is unravelling like a roll of cheap toilet paper. But I have noticed that many democrats can successfully be challenged with facts. They either don't know, or haven't been instructed how to try to counteract concerted efforts by conservatives, independents, and other democrats to spread the truth about that democrat candidate.
In my opinion, Nims may be just an Obamabot who has been recalled to Chicago for retooling and retrofitting. I wouldn't be surprised if he has lost his talking points memos by leaving them behind on the streetcar to noware.
Let's see whether this excuse of a doctor ever dares to post on this site again.
Blog on, confidently. Our audience needs to be, and will be enlightened!
Davole,
I don't know how to cut and paste these comments but I give anyone permission to cut and paste my post above to any other posts you see of Nins.
Thank you for your reply
loriw -
Hang in there, gal!
Oops - sorry, I don't know whether that is an appropriate greeting for a guy to say to a female.
Well, anyway, no disrespect intended.
Yes, I see what you mean - I also find it difficult to cut and paste on this site. Sometimes I have to try several times for some stupid reason before I am able to do that procedure. Generally the problem is hiliting.
Do you generally know how to cut and paste, either in a document or else in a website post?
If not, I'll try to explain.
Using your mouse, move the cursor to the beginning of the text which you want to save, and press the left mouse button (yeh, the democrat one),
keep the button depressed (most democrats usually are),
and drag the pointer of the mouse horizontally and then vertically downward to hilite the displayed text which you would like to save.
Release the left mouse button - that should hilite the text.
On the bar displayed at the top of your computer screen, click the Edit option,
and on the drop down menu, click Copy or Cut. Cut will remove the copied text.
Then, using the mouse, move the cursor to the location in which you intend to insert the copied text, and press the left mouse button again to position the cursor.
Return to the Edit option, and click on the word Paste.
That should do it - the text which you copied should now be displayed in the desired location.
Let me know if it works for you. Good luck.
Keep on blogging!
Thanks for the info, I'll try not to abuse the cut and paste
I don't know how to cut and paste on these blogs but I give permission to anyone who wants to cut and paste my comment to any of Nins' posts especially the ones he/she cuts and pastes to every newsweek article
I don't know how to cut and paste on these blogs but I give anyone permission to cut and paste my comment to any of Nins' posts especially to the ones he/she cuts and pastes to every article on Newsweek
Davole - don't patronise me, i am very well educated thank you (masters from one on the top european universities)... but you are right, i am meek and my philosophy is that i know nothing... i am open to learning but i have no time for bigots - i characterise "conservatism" as a religion - emtional with little objectivity... unable to see that only change can deliver progress...
to Davole: don't patronise me, i am very well educated thank you (masters from one on the top european universities)... but you are right, i am meek and my philosophy is that i know nothing... i am open to learning but i have no time for bigots - i characterise "conservatism" as a religion - emtional with little objectivity... unable to see that only change can deliver progress...
To: Davole - don't patronise me, i am very well educated thank you (masters from one on the top european universities)... but you are right, i am meek and my philosophy is that i know nothing... i am open to learning but i have no time for bigots - i characterise "conservatism" as a religion - emtional with little objectivity... unable to see that only change can delivers progress...
GOODMORNING ALL!!!!
It's been a busy weekend for politics, folks. The GALLUP POLL - which had the candidates tied for the better part of last week - now has OBAMA back up by 4pts. RASMUSSEN is showing a 6% lead for OBAMA, and REALCLEARPOLITICS has OBAMA leading by 7%.
The ELECTORAL MAP - which the GOP never missed an opportunity to reference - has McCain LOSING by 40 points.
Although, BOTH candidates have major flaws and questionable pasts, how is it that ALL of the polls are significantly one-sided? Tracking the candidates support groups reveals that McCain has no true core supporters. His constituacy is "scattered". Evangelicals are jumping ship....the far right, hard-core conservatives are ignoring his phone-calls......and, what I've been hearing is that women (as upset as they are at OBAMA) are not viewing McC as an option.
It seems McCain's past, and caveman-like attitude towards women is rearing it's ugly head. In a recent interview, McC jokes about BEATING HIS WIFE:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/mccain-gambles.html
I wouldn't think this would be such an issue if he didn't already have a history of degrading women. In a press conference McC CALLS HIS WIFE THE C-WORD:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/07/report-mccains-profane-ti_n_95429.html
You'd think that McC's disrespect toward women would only be directed towards adults, but it doesn't stop there. When Chelsea Clinton was only 12 years old, McCain directed a vebal assault towards her - a defenseless young girl:
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.politics.bush/2008-02/msg00109.html
On top of the fact that he cheated on, and abandoned his ex-wife after she was severely injured in a car accident, to be w/ a rich, blonde heiress - I now understand why he's losing support of women by the day.
Wait.....almost forgot........OH HAPPY DAYS!!!!!!
There is always hope even for the worst sinner, and the article by Dick Morris over on Realclear Politics advising McCain how to puncture Obama proves it.
Refreshing to have Dick Morris talking sane, balanced sense for once.
However, I feel advising McCain is a wasted effort. He is as unperceptive politically as a rock.
I am a Clintonite who will vote McCain, but I have lost hope in his winning.
I have never seen such a slow-witted, unimaginative leading contender for the presidency as McCain, with the possible exception of Bob Dole.
What is crazy is that McCain's chances are actually very good - if only he would grasp them.
Despite the suffocating media sycophancy toward Obama, his being promoted as God walking on earth, the American public, miraculously, still remains grimly skeptical of him. In most polls his lead is narrow.
What McCain desperately needs to do very very very soon is to demand what Obama was doing all those twenty years sitting in a church whose pastor made fascist hate speeches against America- and taking that pastor as his family's spiritual adviser.
This is a frightening detail about Obama - it shows how utterly bogus and unreliable are his claims to patriotism.
But McCain has virtuously ruled out campaigning on that critical issue. Just like Clinton.
He will suffer Clintion's fate.
The people who insanely glorify this slick Chicago huckster will have to suffer the consequences of him in office. In a year they will be utterly disillusioned.
Obama's troubles will begin when he has won, not before.
2012 should be a good year for Al Gore to run for the presidency. America will be so disgusted with both the brainless Republicans and the crooked Obamites !!!
No wonder he is looking pleased with himself these days.
Ganpat -
Don't hold your breath waiting for Gore to run for president in 2012, especially in the USA.
Now if you're talking about president of Cuba, he stands a chance there.
If he were to try to run for president in the USA, this huckster would be forced to debate global warming (or maybe global cooling by that time). And that would definitely be an embarrassment even for him.
Besides, he might also be tarred and feathered - now that would definitely improve his appearance, though!
Hi Cowen, I have been slowly going through all issues/solutions, policies, etc. for Obama, even though most are similar to Hillary's, but one thing he supports jumped out and didnt go over good with me either. That being Partial Birth Abortion. So I looked up what is involved in such a procedure and it is pretty gruesome:
WHAT IS PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION
Partial Birth Abortion is a method to abort a baby as late as seven months into a pregnancy.
The procedure is typically as follows...
* The doctor spends two days forcibly dialating the mother's cervix.
* The doctor uses forceps to pull the baby's legs down; rotating the baby so its head is away from the birth canal.
* The legs & body are pulled into the birth canal, until only the head, which is too large to pass through the cervix, remains in the uterus.
* The doctor uses a sharp instrument, such as scissors, to puncture the base of the baby's head.
* The doctor inserts a tube into the hole he created in the baby's skull and suctions out the baby's brain, allowing the baby's skull to crush and pass through the cervix.
If Obama is elected I hope he doesnt in any way touch this one. It is enough to turn me Pro-Life if he starts messing with the banned abortion procedures like this.
Dear Share, I think that the information you read came from the pro-life camp and was not accurate. In partial birth abortion the baby is not "forcibly born and then has it's skull crushed." Forcible dilatation of the cervix by instrumentation takes 10-20 minutes, not 2 days. Induced labor takes hours, and rarely goes on for 2 days. Partial birth abortion was developed to decrease damage to the mother during a late term abortion. In an abortion of a fetus greater than 18-20 weeks, the baby's head is so large and the mother's body so unready for induced labor, that extracting the fetus routinely tore the mother's cervix and caused massive bleeding. Usually the mother survived the hemorrhage, but often these women were unable to ever carry another baby to term after their cervix was lacerated.
Think of how heartbreaking it would be for a woman who wants a child but for a medical reason can not carry the current baby to term. Perhaps her baby died inside of her, and inducing labor failed, then the abortion tears her cervix and she will have to remain childless. Or her baby had severe hydrocephalus, a 100% fatal birth defect that even most pro-lifers agree is a reason for a late term abortion. Or she had a hormone sensitive cancer such the the cancer would kill her if she continued the pregnancy, but if she aborts then does chemo she could have another child, but her cervix tears during the abortion and she will have to remain childless. As a doctor, I have had patients with all of these tragic problems. Because of cases like this, obstetricians came up with a way to abort late term fetuses without the baby's head tearing the cervix. The baby is partially delivered feet first, a small hole is made at the base of the skull and the brain is suctioned out, causing the soft skull to deflate and allow the delivery without tearing the cervix. Disgusting, yes, but it does protect the mother and allow her to have more children.
Partial birth abortions are very rare. In Virginia where they keep track of this, a series of 25,000 abortions had only 60 partial birth procedures done.
Personally I agree with you that late term abortions should be illegal except in the case of medical harm to the mother or severe birth defects. I think that I would put the gestational deadline for normal (not medically necessary) abortions at 16 weeks though, not 12.
Incidentally, the reason why Obama voted against the 2007 bill banning partial birth abortions is because that bill did not contain a clause protecting the rights of women who needed medically necessary abortions and the victims of rape and incest. Obama is NOT in favor of late term abortions, but he does believe that in some extreme cases they should be allowed.
Nins -
After reading your informative post regarding late term abortions, I am left with a few observations and questions.
You basically agree that the information which sharenews researched is correct, but you dispute the total time duration for the procedure.
You state that the partial birth abortion process was developed to decrease damage to the mother. Was there any thought or rationale given to decreasing the inhuman suffering and murder of the child? Or doesn???t that even ???enter the equation????
Then you introduce the feeling of how heartbreaking it would be for a mother to be unable to give birth to another child. How about the feeling of the child when its skull is punctured, and its brain is sucked out, and its skull collapses? Now which pain would be greater, and to what relative degree?
As you attempt to justify this barbaric practice, you raise the issue of severe hydrocephalus, which you say is a 100% fatal birth defect. Do you have factual evidence which supports that absolute percentage? But I do agree with you - in late term abortions, yes, that child would definitely be killed - 100% certainty.
And then you deceptively claim that most pro-lifers agree that is a valid reason for a late term abortion. Where is your supportive evidence in this regard? Or is it just that if pro-abortion proponents repeat that often enough, it mysteriously becomes true?
Next, you state that partial birth abortions are rare in Virginia, with only 60 being done among 25,000 abortions. You do not state a time frame - very convenient. Now, to put it in context, if we were discussing capital punishment in the country, and 60 innocent persons were executed as against 24,940 criminals, would that number be significant? Why not here?
And what if any of the various abortion methods (whether saline injection, vaccuuming to rip apart the individual, or puncturing the skull to enable sucking out the victim???s brain) were to be used by the state to effect the execution of a convicted felon - would there be any outcry from liberal groups that this would be considered cruel and unusual punishment? But definitely not here in the compassionate abortion procedure. Is this somehow a double standard which democrats revere?
well stated and good analogies.
Nins, thanks for giving me a detailed account of what is involved in PBA. I am glad you in your post when such a procedure would be warranted as I was wondering about that too. Very informative.
Sharenews - Have you read Cowen's posted question immediately below yours, and also Nins' less than eloquent retort?
Nins certainly sounds elitist and derogatory by replying to Cowen that he is "full of crap". Is that a competent caring civilized response, and do you condone it?
Maybe it's just a prevalent democrat language that I don't quite understand, nor appreciate. I doubt that you would ever be that crass in your posts, no matter what the provocation may be.
Also, given his dismissive attitude, do you really trust him to provide rational intelligent HUMANE information?
Is he just reading from a carefully crafted script? Maybe it isn't careful enough, for it speaks volumes about the character (or lack thereof) of Nims! I think, that by his own words, he has provided an oxymoron context to the commonly used expression "chill out".
Hoping to hear from you again sometime. Have a good weekend, and please continue your thought provoking research.
Nins -
I had to cut my comment into 2 parts to comply with the site requirement that any comment be restricted to 3000 characters or less.
Here is the balance of my comment to you.
Would the allowable kill gestation term which you mention be just a deceptive tragic example of age discrimination? And at what gestation term does the infant actually begin to learn and display signs of emotion and fear, as revealed by ultra-sonic images?
Do the archaic concepts of morality and protection for the vulnerable have any importance in a democrat society in this day and age? Do democrats consider themselves to be uniquely noble because they choose, on occasion, to ???liquidate??? their innocent offspring?
You introduce the instance of so-called medically necessary abortions. How do you decide which abortions fit this category? That argument was the initial driving wedge that was argued to be the only determining factor when abortions were first legalized. And how many abortions are performed now, and what are the restrictions?
Also, you deftly avoided offering any explanation as to why it would be considered ethical to terminate an infant who had somehow managed to survive a late term abortion process. I believe that cowen had posed that question, and you began your insulting response to him by stating that he was ??? full of crap??? - your words, not mine. Does that language sound like the caring dignified response of a professional (whatever)?. With that attitude, hopefully you???re not employed in providing health care to anyone.
Lastly, you conveniently spew that ???Obama is not in favor of late term abortions, but but he does believe that in some extreme cases they should be allowed???. Has that politician ever considered proposing an amendment, or is that beyond his ability to comprehend and spearhead? Or does that take real courage?
The appeal of the Obama campaign is its meekness and humulity.. humble enough to ask all Americans for support, not reliant on old sytems and structures that have failed Amercia... the Appalachian American, the Black American, the Native American have been poor and ignored for 200 years, that is the reality of American political history - that's the common ground bringing Americans together... the well educated and previllaged Americans are also turning away from the status quo, because they too recognise that there is a lot that is wrong with American politics... a lot that has gone astray from the path set out by the founding fathers of America... moreover they understand the increasing importance of real democracy to business and economic prosperity...
The realisation that the Appalachian Ameican has been poor for 200 years, proves that there is no grand racist conspiracy, it proves that even if you are white, black or blue, if you were not considered economically mobile you were forgotten and left on the scrap heap... I believe that both white and black Americans are now realising this, especially as people from these groups become more educated... Appalachia can no longer be appeased by the notion that they are racially superior, when the reality is that they have been bottom of the economic ladder along with blacks for 200 years; blacks no longer believe that they are inferior, they have seen that power comes from organising and focusing their power of consumption... all Americans realise that history has been all about economics, nobody has really cared untill you showed them your money... a new politics is needed to ensure that everyone is enlightened and empowered to deliver what they can for their country and for their families, no matter who they are... because nothing else matters...
So, I am convinced that Americans will vote for Obama... that is the map to victory... no one who is honest about modern America will do otherwise... he is the only candidate who has ever presented truth and enlightenment to the people... he has not stood up for race or money, he stands only for principle... and deep down inside we all know this!!!!
Hello alvinernest -
I read your post and considered your comments. I am glad that you have spoken your mind, passionately and respectfully. From the views which you express, I wonder - are you fairly young? I don't mean this as a "putdown" - it isn't. Some of your comments do seem to be somewhat naive. But I admit that I may be wrong.
You state that the Obama campaign is humble enough to ask all Americans for support. Which campaign is more humble is subjective and debatable. I believe that both parties are ardently reaching out to all segments of society - they both have to do so in order to accumulate a majority of votes.
You assert that the Obama campaign is "not reliant on old sytems and structures that have failed Amercia". Obama, as the farthest left liberal candidate, espouses the rigid Socialist structure government which has failed worldwide over the past 60 years - nothing new there.
You comment that "there is a lot that is wrong with American politics .... a lot that has gone astray from the path set out by the founding fathers of America". That is a very astute observation. America has lost its "moral compass" - the Constitution. One party believes that it should be interpreted as it was instituted by the founding fathers, whereas the other party strives to constantly change it. Case in point - recently 4 members of the supreme court, who had taken an oath to uphold the Constitution, stated that the right to bear arms should be restricted, although such a right is distinctly included in the Constitution.
You believe that "all Americans realize that history has been all about economics". Do you see the word "all" used twice in the same sentence here? The Republican party enabled the abolishment of slavery, the ending of segregation, and the integration of educational institutions. That is part of American history, and I wouldn't regard it as economically driven.
I agree that "a new politics is needed to ensure that everyone is enlightened and empowered to deliver what they can for their country and for their families". And that begins by ardently fostering an educational environment in which conservative viewpoints are not shouted down by radical liberal teachers and students.
Lastly, you say that "No one who is honest about modern America will do otherwise than vote for Obama.
... he stands only for principle... and deep down inside we all know this!!!!" Are you trying to convince yourself that those conclusions of yours are factually valid by using 4 exclamation marks to conclude your expressed opinion? Where is your proof?
In conclusion, maybe now you can appreciate why I asked earlier whether you were a relatively young person. But please, keep your mind open to opposing points of view, and continue to discuss issues, even though some others obstinately strive to silence any opposition.
Wow, its people like you that causes the rest of us to refer to you as an 'Obamabot'.
jimbo -
In the prevalent language of the hood - who ya talkin to, bro, when ya accuse me of bein an Obamabot?
If you were directing it to alvinernest, you have hit the wrong reply button.
If you were directing it to me, I appreciate your sarcasm.
Keep on blogging!
Ok, i just read on a liberal blog that Rasmussen is a biased pollster. why should anyone believe them.
Bass Pro - at this point in time, more than 4 months before the general election, poles are just convenient outhouses for male dogs.
Is rasmussen to be trusted? i heard they were in cahoots with fox news
Jimbo do you trust Rasmussen's polls? What experience do they have.
As of this morning, 6/29, Rasmussen polls have Obama up by 5%, with a margin of error of =/- 2%. A far cry from Newsweak's wishful thinking poll.
PRINCETON, NJ 6/27/2008 -- For the third straight day, Gallup Poll Daily tracking shows Barack Obama and John McCain tied in national registered voter preferences for the fall election, each now with 44% of the vote.
This article is filled with statistics based on, or projected from, head counts, voter counts, and survey respondent counts. An egregious exception is the mention that Al Gore lost the 2000 race to George Bush. That was by electoral --not popular-- votes. Let's remember that the popular vote was won by Gore, with 48.4% to Bush's 47.9%.
WhiteWhisker - what article?
You still haven't managed to get over the fact that Al Gore lost the election.
As they say - move on!
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