It just keeps getting worse for you right wing morons doesn't it? Here the results if the elections were held today. I hope you're sitting down.
Senate Dems. 55 GOP 43 Ind. 2
House Dems. 238 GOP 197
electoral votes Obama 317 McCain 194 Ties 27
Not before you say it's too early to tell, I want you to know i agree with you. After all McCain can display his strengths, like his plan to send several thousands more of our young women and men to their deaths in Iraq a war he know was started using cooked up evidence. That should insure a good turnout .of the GOP lunitc fringe.
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Barack’s Bounce
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Posted By: Bass Pro @ 06/28/2008 1:28:13 PM
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Posted By: Davole @ 06/28/2008 2:39:03 PM
Bass Pro - I hope that you're a more accomplished fisherman than you are a thinker!
From your "moron" comment, I suspect that you are solidly entrenched in the elitist Obama camp.
Are you their flagbearer?
In some ways, I think that you could possibly embarrass even them.
Are there any democrats here who would be brave enough to make a comment concerning the prevalence of derogatory comments spewed by their supporters?
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Posted By: hotstuff @ 06/25/2008 8:52:31 PM
Good direction.
This lead should increase in the coming months.-
Posted By: Davole @ 06/28/2008 1:40:53 AM
hotstuff - And you base your opinion on ...................? Come on, don't let us down now.
Do you have at least one valid reaon for stating your opinion, or is it just a feeling ........ a hunch, or merely a wish?
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Posted By: burritobros @ 06/26/2008 3:19:53 AM
If he does win, prepare to live under Sharia, bozo.
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Posted By: onepoker @ 06/27/2008 4:26:07 PM
If the election where held today Barrak Obama would of Defeated Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, and Teddy Roosevelt. He would even Defeat a combined TIcket of Kennedy and Reagan in our hypothetical what if simulator where we poll eveyone who is home in the middle of the day and ask them Would you vote for Obama if you weren't a racist. We learned that unequivacly those who are not racists vote for Obama and then we surmise that only 40% of America are racists based on their supposed allegiance to John MCCain which we know is only a result of their racism and love of wife beating.
VOte for Obama because he is a vote for your dreams whatever you think you want him to be he is or he will be or he just was but will probably be again. He is the Mithril Messiah his policy is your dream and his convictions are your thoughts.-
Posted By: Davole @ 06/27/2008 9:54:35 PM
onepoker - Have you been drinking the kool-aid again? Stay clear of it - it can do strange things to your mind!
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Posted By: Davole @ 06/28/2008 12:29:29 AM
onepoker - Come to think of it, both Barack Obama and the kool-aid can have the same effect on the mind.
Viva le sarcasm!
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Posted By: Davole @ 06/27/2008 11:51:56 PM
Earlier this week, Barack Obama, the great unifier, made a crass spectacle of himself by stating, before the TV network cameras, that he had to bite his tongue several times during the primaries and caucuses to keep himself from severely criticizing Hillary Clinton. After she suspended her campaign, he chided her group of loyal supporters to, in his words, " just get over it"!
Now I wonder, as the chickens come home to roost, has he himself learned to "just get over it"?
What will be the chef's piece de resistance to be served to the democrat supporters at their DNC convention - should it be tongue sandwich?
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Posted By: Nins @ 06/24/2008 11:49:24 PM
Some of you who read my posts about investment banks driving up the price of oil through commodities futures trading did not believe me that this was a real issue, despite the fact that the Senate is investigating it. Well, it really is an issue and an important one, so important that the Department of Justice is going to investigate.
Senator Obama announced a plan to crack down on excessive energy speculation and fully close the loophole in the CFTC regulations that I referred to in my blog. This loophole is also called the "Enron Loophole" because it was created by McCain campaign co-chair Phil Gramm at the behest of Enron lobbyists, and exempts most trading on energy commodities from regulation. As a result, the CFTC is unable to oversee the oil futures market or investigate cases where excessive speculation is driving up oil prices. Just last month, John Hofmesiter, President of Shell Oil Company, says that the proper, uninflated production price of a barrel of crude oil is no more than $65.
http://www.financialpost.com/reports/oil-watch/story.html?id=532747
Clarence Cazalot, CEO of Marathon Oil, stated in November of 2007 that "$100 oil just isn't justified by the physical demand on the market - it is speculation on the futures market that is driving this."
http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/12/markets/oil_hundred/index.htm?postversion=2007111216
Larry Chom, Chief Economist of Platt's, states in a recent Businessweek article that speculation is adding at least $50 to the price of every barrel of oil. You can read this article in the May 13, 2008 edition of Businessweek, but it is no longer available on their website unless you are a member.
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/may2008/
To see what Senator Obama is doing to correct this serious problem and lower the price of gas and oil, go to his website:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gG5Rzb
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Posted By: Davole @ 06/27/2008 10:42:21 PM
Nins - Maybe the Department of Justice should also investigate whether Congress is responsible for concocting a plan to drive up the cost of gasoline and oil by continuing the ban on offshore and onshore exploration and drilling for oil.
The pathetic myopic democrat mantra is that renewed drilling for oil will not lower the cost of gasoline either today or tomorrow. The democrat supposed cure-all answer is to develop alternate fuels instead. Now I ask you - will alternate fuels lower the cost of gasoline today or tomorrow? Which fuel would stabilize or even reduce the high energy costs in the shortest time frame?
Today I have heard that several democrat politicians, supposedly numbering at least 10, have broken from party doctrine to support allowing the renewal of oil exploration, drilling, and refining. Have you heard that rumour? Maybe you might care to investigate it. Or is it just another one of those false reports from the vast right wing conspiracy? -
Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 06/25/2008 9:47:24 PM
Nins-com-poop -
I was watching Jim Cramer on TV the other day. He reports that speculators have driven up the cost of a barrel of oil by approximately $3 per bbl. Kind of blows your long-winded post out of the water, huh?
So can you please go on record in front of your liberal friends here at Newsweak and tell us exactly how you think the US should address its energy problem? Do you support drilling offshore, in ANWR, or developing the massive oil shale fields in Colorada? Let me guess, in an effort to appease the eco-weenies, you oppose all of these options, don't you?-
Posted By: Nins @ 06/26/2008 5:52:59 PM
Jim Cramer on TV. No references, no links, and no facts to support your statement.
The CEO of Shell Oil knows the price of a barrel of crude. Jim Cramer is smarter than he is, right?-
Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 06/26/2008 6:35:22 PM
That would be Jim Cramer of Jim Cramer's Mad Money - he has spent most of his life and an investor and financial analyst/advisor.
And no, I don't do links...hate to break it to ya, Nins, but no one reads your posts all that close and then follows your links to the left-wing website de jour.
I noticed you didn't answer my question about US energy independence; so which of those will you go on record supporting?
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/27/2008 3:33:31 PM
June 27, 2008
Gallup Daily:
Obama, McCain: STILL TIED at 44%
No change in candidate positioning
PRINCETON, NJ -- For the 3rd straight day, Gallup Poll Daily tracking shows Barack Obama and John McCain tied in national registered voter preferences for the fall election, each now with 44% of the vote.
CHART: http://www.gallup.com/poll/108433/Gallup-Daily-Obama-McCain-Still-Tied-44.aspx
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Posted By: Chloe123 @ 06/27/2008 2:31:22 PM
NO worries my fellow intelligent Republican supporters- MCCAIN will kick Obama's A-- and that is a sure thing-
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Posted By: Ganpat @ 06/27/2008 1:11:04 PM
Obama is a man of such vast intelligence that when he becomes President, I propose that he be graded and known universally as the "The AA President".
AA standing for "Affirmative Action".
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Posted By: Ganpat @ 06/27/2008 12:28:57 PM
Over on Realclear Politics it is reported that Obama has just opened up a 36 per cent lead.
Over Idi Amin.
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Posted By: Belker @ 06/26/2008 9:36:58 PM
Figures don't lie, but liars can figure!
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/24/2008 6:03:06 PM
WHAT THE . . . . ????? Does the phrase lack of judgment come to mind?
Has anyone else heard about this and if so has Obama apologized for this disrespectful act?
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. . Anyone?
What on earth was the Obama and company thinking when they placed Porta-Potties up smack dab in the middle of a Memorial to fallen Oregon policemen with the flag right next to it at half mast during Memorial Day weekend? They could have placed the Porta-Potties anywhere else as there were many open wide spaces of lawn available to them.
Was this action supposed to be a subliminal message to send to America and her fallen heroes. Another audacious act by Obama and his camp. Has anyone heard about this and has Obama apologized yet?
PORTLAND NEWS
May 28, 2008
PORTLAND, Ore. -- Portland police officers have asked for an apology after they said organizers of a Barack Obama rally set up Porta-Potties on a memorial honoring fallen officers.
Earlier this month, 75,000 people gathered in Waterfront Park in downtown Portland to hear Obama speak at a pre-primary rally.
Officer Thomas Brennan, a seven-year veteran with the Portland Police Bureau, said he was happy to help at the rally after being called in on his day off.
On short notice, a lot of people had to cancel trips. But they were glad to do it, Brennan said. It was very memorable, in more ways than one.
Brennan, who controlled the crowd near the Portland Police Memorial, noticed several Porta Potties set up in the middle of the memorial. Brennan had been at the site five days earlier for an annual memorial service and a flag was still set at half mast on the day of the rally.
There was plenty of room elsewhere so space wasn't an issue, Brennan said. So someone used some really poor decision making, whoever elected to put them there. I mean, it is somewhat hallowed ground, I guess you could call it.
Full Story: http://www.kptv.com/news/16412289/detail.html
VIDEO: http://www.kptv.com/video/16412197/index.html-
Posted By: Nins @ 06/24/2008 11:51:05 PM
Honestly, Sharenews, as much as I like you in general, I think your are scraping the bottom of the barrel on this one. Since you asked what I think, I can say that the rally you mention happened almost 2 months ago, so why is this an issue now, if it was not an issue then? The memorial service for the officers happened 5 days before the Obama rally occurred, and that the placement of the porta potties, while regrettable, clearly was not an intentional slight aimed at fallen officers. Do you really think that Obama personally decides where to place the portable toilets at all of his speeches? More likely, the Portland Parks and Recreation Department is to blame. Give it a rest.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/25/2008 2:37:16 AM
OKAY, you have me riled now. But we can end up agreeing to disagree cuz that is usually what we do, albeit not always formally:
YOU SAY: Why is the above talk about Obamas camp putting Porta-Potties on a Memorial landmark in Oregon with a flag at half mast at an Obama speaking event just being regrettable and that I am scraping at the bottom of the barrel for bringing it up? What????
I SAY: Maybe because this article was buried by the MainStreamMedia and in my case I (and Im sure in a lot of cases) that not too many people ever heard anything about this disrespectful act, whenever it happened?. Let me guess why we didn???t really hear much about it at all: If anyone wants to know, do a Google of Mr. Murdoch, the billionaire Media Mogul that owns dozens and dozens of newspapers, websites, you name it in the communications arena. And we wonder why Obama is not vetted yet.
YOU SAY: Do I really think that Obama personally decides to place portable toilets at all of his speeches?
I SAY: We are not talking about every place that Obama gives a speech and where outdoor toilets are placed, Nins. We are talking about ONE place in Oregon in which portable toilets were disrespectfully placed ON A MEMORIAL honoring fallen heroes with a flag right next to it at half mast. I am beginning to think (no, I have been thinking this for awhile as I see stuff like this continue to happen) in which Obama cries fowl by saying: ???Oh, I had no idea that my aides, that moveon.com put out that ad on the air who his other buddy billionaire George Sores also supports; and then Obama says ???Oh, I just do not run a campaign like that; I would never do that; not my beliefs; blah, blah; then he proceeds to apologize and moves on, well knowing he USED his aides or whomever to do his dirty work and then crying about how wrong they were to do it.-
Posted By: Nins @ 06/26/2008 6:01:52 PM
The wife of one of the officers spread his ashes in that park, after a public service honoring the officers. There is no permanent physical memorial there, it was a memorial service, and a wife who chose to spread his ashes in a public place.
While I feel bad for the widow, I have to ask, is it even legal to spread your loved one's ashes in a public park? And after five days, wouldn't his ashes have blown away, been mowed over, ridden over, trampled into the mud by people's feet, and rinsed down the storm drains? Just how long is it that this section of a PUBLIC park is off limits to all normal park activities? Because ONE person decided to use it as a free cemetery, should ALL people no longer have access?
A flag flown at half mast generally signifies that someone has died. It does not mean that someone died RIGHT THERE or that someone's ashes have been spread on that exact site. It just means that someone has died. No more information than that is given by a half mast flag.
The only reason we have not heard the last of this is that you keep bringing it up. The mistake was the fault of the Portland Parks and Recreation Department, not Obama's team, and certainly not Obama himself. Furthermore, no one intended to slight anyone. Give it a rest.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/26/2008 6:58:03 PM
I thought we agreed to disagree about what I felt was an extremely dumb thing that Obama camp did by sticking porta-potties smack dab in the middle of a MEMORIAL where the flag was half mass because (of all things) it was Memorial Day weekend! I have to say you are good though at your rebuttals (storytelling about ashes of someone, getting into detail, lol) cuz they almost make it sound believable. But facts are facts. It is what it is. Article / picture in link below. Now let it go. You are starting to look pathetic in your defense of Obama.
http://www.policelink.com/news/26729-obama-uses-police-memorial-for-porta-potties
Obama Uses Police Memorial for Porta Potties
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This photo by Officer Thomas Brennan shows the porta potties setup on the police memorial, with its flag still at half mast.
PoliceLink
May 30, 2008
PORTLAND, OR ??? Police officers in Portland, Oregon, are still waiting for an apology from Barack Obama after campaign staffers of his recent rally in Portland, Oregon, setup porta potties directly on top of the Portland Police Memorial, which honors the agency???s 25 fallen police officers.
The Obama rally drew a crowd of over 75,000 people.
Officer Thomas Brennan, who was working overtime at the rally, took a picture of the offending toilets, with the American flag still at half mast because of Police Officers Memorial Day, directly behind them. The local law enforcement memorial service had been held at the site only five days earlier.
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Despite a large amount of open areas in the vicinity, the campaign staffers claimed the toilets were placed on the memorial for safety reasons to accommodate wheelchair access.
The Obama campaign has not responded to requests for an apology.
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Posted By: onepoker @ 06/25/2008 10:17:29 AM
damn it thats twice ive agreed with you. They are going to take away my Junior Republican smear decoder ring if I keep doing this.
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 7:17:29 PM
Hi Sharenews....this was just posted on CNN....http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-poll25-2008jun25,0,5763707.story
(CNN) ??? With just over four months to go until voters weigh in at the polls, a new survey suggests Sen. Barack Obama is holding a double-digit lead over Sen. John McCain among registered voters.
According to a new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll, Obama holds a 12 point lead over McCain in a head-to-head match up, 49 percent to 37 percent. But when third party candidates Ralph Nader and Bob Barr are added to the list, Obama's lead over McCain extends to 15 points, 48 percent to 33 percent.
The survey is the second in a matter of days to indicate McCain may face a sizable deficit as the general election campaign kicks off. A Newsweek poll released four days ago showed the Illinois senator with a 15 point lead.
I will check your article out in a couple more hours...hope your day is going great...
Mark-
Posted By: dreffein @ 06/24/2008 10:40:37 PM
Mark - for us political junkies, the polls are interesting but don't you think that until we get past the convention, the numbers are almost meaningless (remember Dukakis)? I mean I'd rather start ahead, but still a very long way to go.
And in the 30 years I've been able to vote, I've never been polled nor do I know anyone who has been called. Where do they get these people (I've voted in virtually every election - even local elections - jeez).-
Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 11:02:50 PM
I agree totally, you probably missed my comment about my wife's hair color change and the wind and how polls change...they are worthless, fun if you don't take them seriously, and help all the news organizations try the one-upmanship game....Mark
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Posted By: Davole @ 06/26/2008 4:00:32 AM
marksgershenson - Watch out - your wife might earn the nickname "Flame" after the general election in November!
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/25/2008 3:20:08 AM
There you go with your wife's hair care analogy. Dreffein. This guys is too funny.
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Posted By: Davole @ 06/26/2008 3:52:07 AM
dreffein - I agree with you totally that these polls, especially taken before both party conventions and any actual publicized debates and / or townhall meetings, are meaningless.
Why are they conducted? Merely because the polling companies and so-called news reporters or commentators have to do something to earn (no, scratch the words to earn) to enable them to be paid for their time spent in conducting those charades.
Besides, the political campaigns revel over their potential to sway and influence the non-thinking segment of the populace who want to be led into believing something that supposedly supports their desires.
I hope that helps - oh, by the way - that's just my own personal opinion, for whatever it may be worth.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/24/2008 9:26:30 PM
Yes, I have been following quite a few polls. I was wondering though specifically how Barr and Nader(this guy to a lesser extent) might have on McCains campaign. Had a good day today, went out for a great Chinese dinner in town . And you?
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 10:11:20 PM
very nice, thanks...flying solo tonight, wife is out with lady friend, daughter in Summer school in college, and me perusing through this blog and the other Obama blog and see whats happening. I enjoy the stories you share...it seems to put another perspective on events which is great....
I was listening to CNN and seems like Hillary and Barack are trying to get her debt settled. It iwll be interesting too when Bill goes on the campaign trail too...
I think the biggest story will be the VP picks by both camps. I was discussing this with family, everyone has that puzzled look as to whom may be picked because there are so many good choices....Mark-
Posted By: sharenews @ 06/25/2008 3:01:54 AM
Thanks Mark. And yes, we are lucky to have such an abundance of good candidates for VPs for both parties, really. I was surprised, but then maybe not, but yeah, I was, that Obama is asking his supporters to help spend down Hillarys debt; but what I have been reading this is not abnormal in politics. Was interested what Obama supporters think about that. I guess the reasoning is, if you can put everything else aside about Hillary, is that she can have a huge impact in raising monies for the Dnc and ultimately for Obama. And she cant really get real focused into that until she gets her debt paid off (that is, all except the millions she spent on her own). It will be interesting to see how Bill Clinton fits in moving forward too.
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Posted By: onepoker @ 06/25/2008 10:23:37 AM
Oh don't fool yourself she will pay herself first.
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Posted By: dreffein @ 06/24/2008 10:37:00 PM
Mark - the other piece of that story was HRC is inviting her top contributors to meet with Obama on Thursday. So, it's not a one-sided deal. Frankly, Obama has much more to gain from Clinton supporters since all Clinton is looking for is $10 million. She raised - what - over $200+ million? I don't remember the exact number - just know it's far larger than $10 million
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 10:42:00 PM
Thats what I heard on CNN nearly an hour ago...Hillary will get her debt settled without a doubt. I think with Obama's camp helping, hopefully will bring more unity to the party....Mark
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Posted By: onepoker @ 06/25/2008 10:21:52 AM
Barr will only effect MCCain if it is obvious MCCain will lose Barr will turn it into a landslide for Obama. Nader will have almost no effect as he draws the furthest fringes of the left and guess where Obama is sitting.
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 9:02:09 PM
Where do you find these off beat news items? I think it was just poor event planning...All they cared about is having enough porta potties to support the crowd size regardless where they put the portapotties...Mark
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/24/2008 9:22:15 PM
Beleive me, I didnt seek this one out. I didnt even know about the event happing until I read about it when another blogger on this site tposted the info today. I cannot believe how idiotic Obamas aides can be. What, last week was the two Muslim women rejected from sitting behind him and now this really whacky action. Sounds like he needs to do some firing and rehiring, no? : - )
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 10:19:19 PM
You know it is difficult to place blame. Here is what I am going to go by and see if you would agree with the logic. My brother does a big food handout every December honoring the Veterans here in California. He has to deal with food, portapoties, entertainment, etc. The VA will give guidelines as to where to hold the event, what the boundries are for parking, etc. My brother arranges the logistics of bringing everything to the VA, and setting the event up entirely.
There is shared responsiblity that the VA must make sure the grounds are safe, people can have proper ingress and egress, etc. What it sounds like to me at the Obama event, the event planners need to be hit on the head, and the city planners holding the event does too....I wish I could have said that in one breath...LOL...Mark :-)-
Posted By: sharenews @ 06/25/2008 2:44:15 AM
Hmmmmmmmm, we disagree on this one. Are you saying that the person in charge of the Obama campaign that was to work with an events planner and a city planner whom the Obama campaign manger (or a specific person held responsible) were not all over that events strategic setup, financing, you name it, given this was an event in which a possible President of the US was going to be speaking at? Errrrp. Dont buy it. Especially given I have served as an events planner at fortune 100 and 500 companies in new england and that my contact in NO WAY would just rely on the people in charge of setting up the event without a final approval by them.
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/26/2008 3:01:40 AM
LOL bzzzz....your too much....like I have said countless times...I like to learn so your more expert than my brother....which is fine by me....have a good one...Mark
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/26/2008 3:25:13 AM
I know, I know, in alot of cases I am just having fun with a lot of loggers to see what they say. LMAO.
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Posted By: dreffein @ 06/25/2008 3:44:17 PM
Sharenews - it's unlikely this was intentional.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/25/2008 6:51:38 PM
Maybe not, but Obama has imbecils as aides. Time to clean house.
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Posted By: cowen123456 @ 06/25/2008 9:17:02 AM
Another fabricated polls is coming folks...this one is the LA/Bloomberg polls....Notice how all the ultra leftist organizations are rolling out polls showing a fabricated bounce where all non-bartisan polls are showing almost exactly the same gap. There is a massive bias wave from the liberal media going after Mccain in this election...watch out for it. If you thought swift boating was bad......a billion dollar in attack ads along with an all out free media attack on Mccain will be a site to see.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/25/2008 6:37:10 PM
. . . and everyone wonders why the MainStreamMedia is so biased towards Obama. Read on:
Media mogul Murdoch praises Obama
EXCERPT:
The worlds most powerful media mogul and owner of *Fox News and the Wall Street Journal, the hard-line conservative Rupert Murdoch last night admitted he had told one of his publications to back Democratic candidate Barack Obama. Could this be the start of a home run for Obama?
A political communication analyst tells us why he should be wary.
CEO and chairman of News Corporation, Rupert Murdoch has a HUGE STAKE in the WORLD PRESS, including dozens of newspapers, magazines, television channels and websites.
He has been criticized for a biased and overbearing influence, especially coming from his American news channel *Fox News. In the UK, he owns almost all of the conservative written press and is thought by many to be the reason behind Tony Blair???s landslide victory in 1997. Last night, speaking at a technology conference supported by the Wall Street Journal, the media tycoon praised Barack Obama, calling him a STAR.
*SHARENEWS COMMENT: Fox News is the one news media that was designated by Murdoch to not be as biased in support of Obama. Thus, the reason why Obama supporters flipping out when they see Fox News referenced anywhere in these blogs.
http://observers.france24.com/en/content/20080530-murdoch-praises-obama-
Posted By: Nins @ 06/26/2008 5:51:06 PM
Share, what you forgot to mention was that Murdoch specifically stated that he is voting for Obama because he is very concerned about the economy. He said that he believed that Obama could turn around the economy, and that McCain's ignorance of the global economy is so bad that under McCain the current recession would turn into a full scale depression. He believes that McCain would follow the failed Bush economic policies, and frankly, while McCain SAYS he won't, he has yet to come up with a substantial economic plan. In fact, the plan he unveiled at a speech in California was so bad that it made Murdoch switch sides. Included in McCain's plan was the boneheaded idea of throwing Russia out of the G8, and banning China from joining the G8. McCain's mind is stuck in the cold war. We need a 21st century President.
Murdoch said that while he disagrees with Obama on many social issues, the economy is so bad he has to vote for Obama, like a drowning man has to reach for the life preserver, even if it is from the competition's ship.-
Posted By: sharenews @ 06/26/2008 6:37:15 PM
Im not talking about the voting part of Murdoch for Obama. Just the power and influence this man has over the MainStreamMedia and the bias he can create within the communications industry at all levels, newspapers, TV Networks/Stations, websites, etc. But you can add your two cents about McCain. That is fine.
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Posted By: cowen123456 @ 06/25/2008 5:57:05 PM
Ok,, I just learned something today that makes me very uncomfortable. I'm a titer totter when it comes to the issue of being a pro-choice because I got a lot of pro-life in me. However, I learned today that Obama voted solidly for a destruction of a child after 7 months if aborted alive. Why in the world would you kill a living child that may come out alive during an abortion process after 7 months? what in god's name does it take for a person with a heart, mind and soul to come to this decision? It is against everything that's good and decent for a humane society. Is this the kiind of judgement we want to lead this country? God, I hope not.
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Posted By: Nins @ 06/26/2008 5:42:41 PM
Cowen you are full of crap. The Born Alive Infant Protection Act (BAIPA) referred to live-born pre-viable fetuses 20 weeks gestation (four and a half months) old or less. "Pre-viable" which means that they are so young that they would all die anyway. Seven months gestation is 32 weeks. 32 week old babies survive just fine, even without any resuscitation or ICU care in most cases. Most twins are born at 32 weeks, and they do just fine.
The BAIPA was a political ploy designed by the pro-Life faction to smear the reputation of any politician who voted against it. Pre-viable fetuses ALL DIE ANYWAY, so this legislation was not aimed at protecting the life of babies, it was aimed at hurting the deep thinking politicians who voted against it. If it had passed it would have overturned Roe v. Wade in Illinois for about one minute -- the amount of time it would take for the pro-Choice groups to counter sue to get it overturned, since the Supreme Court has already ruled on this issue. That bill was a huge waste of taxpayer money and nothing more than grandstanding.
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Posted By: ben nevis @ 06/26/2008 5:24:46 PM
The media are so HOT for Obama that, I believe, all polls are rigged. Hoping to drive the herd into the Democrat corral. Everyone wants to be with a "winner" so the media push Obama. The man is a PHONEY and a hypocrite. IF Obama is the next president change will occur none of it for the better. Figures lie and liers figure.
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Posted By: Micky Marsh @ 06/24/2008 10:38:00 AM
How about Barack and McCain "ONE - ON - ONE - HOOP; can any predict the winner.
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Posted By: onepoker @ 06/24/2008 12:44:22 PM
old age and treachery vs youth and enthusiasm
Mccain by 10-
Posted By: LindaA_1 @ 06/24/2008 3:16:08 PM
How about older, wiser and experienced vs younger, slicker and treacherous? That said, they are both politicians - predisposed to do the politically expedient thing in a crisis.
HOWEVER - we see that John McCain's threshold for political expediency is light-years further up the
crisis ladder than Obama's.
Obama has thrown everybody off the bus but his wife, daughters and mother - his minister, his congregation, his half-brother, his friends, his bio, his number one legislative achievement of political reform (no federal funding for lying Mr. Deep Pockets) and his PRETEND PRESIDENTIAL SEAL!!!
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 3:45:50 PM
So are you saying that you want another four years of the same? Why is the pretend presidential seal bother you? If you don't like Obama, certainly no one will criticize for voting McCain. I think the majority of people are fed up for the following reasons
The economy is hurting people's pockets, we are in a recession is certain parts of the country, we have a mortgage crisis, we have nearly 5.00 per gallon for gasoline===some people have to choose to eat or get gas but if they can't get gas, they can't go to work, we are in a quagmire in Iraq, our debt and deficit impact our economy, we have a loophole on speculator trading that needs resolution...McCain is not far ahead of Obama at all regarding the economy, I think Obama has the lead with vision...are these enough reasons as to why people don't want another four years of the same?
So if you feel McCain will solve those problems, then vote for him, if you feel that Obama will solve those problems, vote for him. More importantly, vote regardless...Mark-
Posted By: LindaA_1 @ 06/24/2008 8:08:52 PM
Why does the "pretend seal" bother me? It has something to do with the word "pretend." We're talking about a man who wants to be leader of the free world - and there he was, actually seriously preening above a Disney version of the Presidential Seal. The snickering started at the moment of the unveiling and I doubt they ever stop.
I am a Hillary supporter - and I will vote for McCain unless Hillary ends up with the nomination. I like McCain, but I deplore most of his policies. He will be up against a strong Democratic Majority in Congress which can keep him from putting a conservative on the Supreme Court and end Bush's war by refusing to fund it.
McCain will be a lame-duck. There is a limit to what he can do. I'm willing to put up with him while I wait for Hillary to make her run in 2012.-
Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 8:54:56 PM
So you will turn the values of Hillary down, the dem party down, and vote for McCain who is 180 out of sync with either Hillary or Obama....can you explain to me why you would vote for someone who can change the Supreme Court to a conservative court, when Hillary is a liberal minded person? See when I hear that argument your presenting it almost sounds like I didn't get my candy, so I am not going to talk to you nymore...a borderline pout because something didn't go your way.
Hillary has opened the door for my Y generation daughter. She has empowered women like no other person. She has made history, hopefully she will be the crusader of my generation.
So are you saying that you are voting McCain for other reasons, or is out of spite? And if it is out of spite, do you have the guts to say that on this blog? It sounds more like spite from the people I have talked to...Here is my disclaimer...I did not run any official polls, nor do I have enough sample to make a valid poll either...Mark :-)-
Posted By: LindaA_1 @ 06/25/2008 12:01:29 AM
Spite? I call it the best and fastest strategy to get Hillary Clinton to the Presidency - in 2012.
Next I expect you'll say I sound like an angry voter. Yes, I am angry. Will you try to diminish me for that too? Okay. Does my being angry bother you?
I'm angry for how the liberal press, the DNC and the Obama Campaign have treated my candidate. They disrespected her. They used sexism against her. They stole votes from her. They used every hook and crook possible to slide their chosen candidate into the top spot while disadvantaging her unfairly. Ergo my vote for McCain.
It takes a two-thirds majority of the Senate to confirm a Supreme Court Judge. Estimates are that the Senate could have as much as a 60/40 Democratic advantage. In any case, there's no way McCain will be able to get a conservative confirmed. The Roe scare tactic doesn't work anymore.
McCain needs funding to run Bush's war. Again he can be stopped by a simple majority vote in Congress refusing to fund his war. Another scare tactic gone.
McCain will be hamstrung by the Democratic Majority. What little he can accomplish will be worth the price to keep Obama out of the White House.
Obama is a far left wing uber-liberal and a black liberationist theologist (a racist philosophy). Obama got his political start with Chicago thugs' help and financing. He surrounds himself with radicals, racists, terrorists and racketeers - except when they affect his poll numbers - then he tosses them aside like last week's pizza. Obama lies consistently about his background in ways that make Hillary's Bosnia slip-up look small. I could go on all day about why I have good reason to keep this man out of the Presidency.
Spite is defined as a malicious, usually petty, desire. On the contrary - my vote for McCain will be a righteous vote to penalize the DNC, the press and Obama for their scurrilous actions.
You call it spite. I call it a fine democratic tradition - rebelling against wrong-doing, preventing wrong-doers from achieving their malicious goals.
I will vote for McCain to keep a disingenuous, disrespectful, inexperienced, vindictive, juvenile thug out of the White House. Unfortunately, the shamefully illicit behavior of the DNC has left me no other decent option.
I could write in Hillary, not vote at all, vote for Bob Barr or Cynthia McKinny - all those votes are strategically votes for Barack Obama. I'm smarter than that.
What I find amusing is how upset Obama supporters get with my decision. I've had every range of insult thrown at me, even death threats. I don't see that level of hysteria aimed at people announcing their "throw-away" votes for writing Hillary in, staying home or voting for the Green Party /Libertarian Party.
Could it be that my vote for McCain is the only vote that can diminish Obama's chances of winning? Could that be the cause for so much rancor? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.-
Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/25/2008 12:31:36 AM
hmm...very intersting arguments...I will look them over tomorrow...I will address them one by one when I can give reasonable answers, and help me understand why you feel what you feel....It is so funny my Y generation daughter and wife and her brother...again this is not a poll all love Hillary, including me for what she has done. I would expect a certain amount of allegiance if you are a Dem to vote as a Dem, the same way I would expect a Repub to do the same...
one final thought about strategy...the only known strategies in life are knowing how to minimize your taxes, keep a roof over your head, and have food to eat. The rest is speculation, wishful thinking, and at best laid plans go astray....can you guarantee that Hillary is going to run in 12? How do you know she would not be appointed as a Supreme court judge, or a high cabinet post...You are assuming that she will be running...I would be cautious with that....good night...Mark-
Posted By: LindaA_1 @ 06/25/2008 1:11:36 AM
I have two thoughts on "allegiance???"to the Democratic Party.
First, to give in to the Democratic leadership and Obama - after what they did to women via Hillary - would feel the same as hiding a child molester in the family just because it???s family.
Second, some people are leaving the Democratic Party. I am not. I refuse to hand over my party to thugs without a tough fight. If millions of Hillary supporters join in a bloc vote for McCain and let their intentions be known, it's possible that super delegates may reconsider their Obama vote at the convention - especially if he suffers another major gaffe or starts to fade from a million small cuts.
If Hillary does end up in the Presidency, I???m guessing the DNC would see some major housecleaning.
I can't accept your premise about known strategies. I have been an activist and organizational strategist for the better part of my life. It???s only "speculation, wishful thinking" for bad strategists :-)-
Posted By: onepoker @ 06/25/2008 10:37:35 AM
Linda I am a republican so obviously I am hoping you vote for MCCain even though he is the least republican of all the republican candidates I am also voting for him.
That said after reading the above thread I am really surprised at how the far left instantly writes you off as spiteful and a betrayer. They have no respect for your decision if it does not agree with theirs. Why do you suppose in an election where they are the front runners they are so concerned with a protest vote?-
Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/25/2008 11:10:02 AM
Actually I am centered towards the right trying to be objective with what is being said. If you take a neutral view, reread it again, and then see why you would say that I am all the way over to the left? I don't think this is a left or right issue, rather an emotional decision by a person. I am trying to understand if my counterpart is voting for McCain out of emotion, or valid arguments....So far I see emotion only....I will address each paragraph at a time...Mark
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Posted By: LindaA_1 @ 06/25/2008 2:36:33 PM
If you read my post and all you see is emotion, then your view is extremely Oba-myopic. I don't see tears or emotional screeches on the screen, just words explaining my point of view. So just prove my positions invalid - or get okay with yourself that you can't. Your silence will be all the answer I need.
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/25/2008 3:58:20 PM
I will not entertain emotion for argument validity. If you want to present things in a non-emotional way, I will be happy to entertain discussion. I honor your opinon, I cannot argue with emotion. I am not going to now, or in the future...Mark
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Posted By: LindaA_1 @ 06/25/2008 7:55:20 PM
Chicken.
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/26/2008 3:12:34 AM
I can only handle one emotional person that is my wife...LOL...your arguments along with emotion are valid, and perhaps you would find someone else who would argue you with emotion...I didn't realize how strong you felt about what was going on, and it personally through me into a loop...I am far from chicken, coward, timid, or any other label...however, I do respect what you say...if I knew this was somethng that really went to your heart, I would not have even started...I will not take the wrath of a woman unless she is my wife..and periodically my 19 yr old daughter...Mark
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Posted By: LindaA_1 @ 06/26/2008 11:18:18 AM
You know, I'm kinda tired of hearing you lay everything off on your wife and daughter.
You're not hearing wrath from me, you're hearing someone call you to account for disrespecting me, challenging me and then not being PERSON enough to either meet the challenge or admit you can???t.
You labled me a "pouter,??? "spiteful (implying that I have no brain for reasoning),???"and then tried to diminish me with "you sound scared."
So stop already with all the patronizing "I respect you...and your opinion" horse poo.
Answer my challenge to refute the 12 paragraphs of straightforward reasons - WHICH YOU ASKED FOR - I have for voting for John McCain in my 06/25/2008 00:01:29 post - or stop embarassing yourself by trying to wiggle out of it!
Otherwise, my assessment of you stands:
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/26/2008 12:33:00 PM
I will reply to you after the Conventions....perhaps then you will have chilled out a bit, stop the name calling, and not be as emotional if Hillary becomes Obama's running mate(which I seriously doubt)....bye bye
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Posted By: LindaA_1 @ 06/26/2008 2:17:51 PM
Okay. Chicken X 10.
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Posted By: LindaA_1 @ 06/25/2008 8:04:09 PM
chicken: adjective
Date: 1941: Merriam Webster
1 a: scared b:timid, cowardly
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Posted By: LindaA_1 @ 06/25/2008 2:47:33 PM
Because they know it can keep their chosen one out of the Presidency. Democrats are so used to party loyalty. We've had to stomach voting for Kerry, Gore, Dukakis et al. All those "nose-holding" votes have lulled the Democratic leaderhip into a false sense of security.
Even now they carry on about how we will "all come home." Their "protests too much" are beginning to wear thin. Their surrogates are getting edgy in the face of the rancor not dying down - in fact, it's building steam.
I run into such hysterics about it from the left on these blogs. I am a centrist Democrat like Hillary. Even a little right of her on many issues. Funny how we could both end up in the McCain camp. Not so funny that so few of his voters (Republicans and Democrats) like his positions. I don't envy him his Presidency.
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/25/2008 11:17:15 AM
When I read anger, it is an emotion that comes from fear. And some of the commentary sounds like your scared of Obama becoming president. I cannot possibly argue emotion,and feelings, it is impossilbe. When a person is emotionally charged up, I say, if you feel that way, okay, and move on. And out of respect for you and your feelings, I will not entertain discussion....I learned that after 24 years of marriage to a great woman...Mark
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Posted By: LindaA_1 @ 06/25/2008 2:29:50 PM
Anger is an emotion that comes from a lot of places. Sure fear is a base component of anger, but fear is a base component of the instinct for survival, the instinct to forage for food, even the instinct to propagate the species. So what?
Am I scared of Barack Obama becoming leader of the free world? You bet I am. Does my fear turn me into a helpless, hapless, non-thinking, pathetic idiot? I don???t think so. What is your reaction when you see a burglar messing around your back door? Do you have fear? Do you grab a baseball bat and call the cops? Would you be a little upset if they told you to "get over it" since they can tell you're afraid - just before they hang up on you!
I've read some of your other posts. Playing the fear card is beneath your ability to engage in honest dialogue.
You asked me for my reasons for voting for McCain. I gave them to you. Now apparently, you can???t argue with my reasoning so you attempt to dismiss me with a cheap shot.-
Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/25/2008 3:56:46 PM
I honor your feelings...sounds like your defensive saying my remark was a cheap shot....I won't argue to take on emotional feelings that you display. I honor you as a person, and your opinion....Have a terrific day...Mark
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Posted By: LindaA_1 @ 06/25/2008 8:38:59 PM
Oh I'm not going to let you go until you cut out the attempts at patronizing your way out of this. You asked for my positions. I laid them out clearly for you in my 06/25/2008 00:01:29 post.
Funny how you characterized my answers last night in your 06/25/2008 00:31:36 post (when you first read my comments) as "very interesting arguments." Funny how you said you would "look them over tomorrow" and you would "address them one by one" when you could "give reasonable answers."
Strange that you did not mention the "emotion" then, the emotion that apparently renders you totally incapable of refuting my positions.
What happened? Did you sit down in the cool of this morning and realize that you have absolutely no credible argument against my positions?
I wrote 13 paragraphs explaining my voting choice. Only paragraph two has any reference to emotion - and that paragraph contains my rightful expression of anger toward the DNC, the press and Obama. Past that, you have 12 paragraphs of positions stated - simply stated.. That's all.
I DARE YOU to show me another paragraph out of the remaining 12 that contains anything other than a calm, reasoned argument for voting John McCain in this election.
This is a "put up or shut up situation" if ever I have seen one.
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 9:08:15 PM
I have to go with my opinion after reading your entry a couple times, there is no other argument for you to vote for McCain except for spite...well I await patiently for your reply....Mark
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/24/2008 4:36:17 PM
Actually, Obama did make room for Michelle when he threw her under there after her proud gaffe (she disappeared from the campaign trail immediately) - which in her case was a good move. ; D
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Posted By: Micky Marsh @ 06/24/2008 12:51:27 PM
Barack can spot McCain 15 points and still win.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/24/2008 4:30:25 PM
How about a Barack-o-Green and JohnnyHero one on one Bowl-a-thon?
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Posted By: Micky Marsh @ 06/26/2008 9:19:58 AM
Yes, I know Barack is from Bowling - green.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 06/24/2008 4:31:57 PM
We all know who would get bowled over in that event. LOL
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 1:01:09 PM
LMAO....I won't need the Starbucks after your posting... :-)
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Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/26/2008 12:41:42 PM
NOW, THIS IS INTERESTING....................
According to RealClearPolitics, Obama is leading by 7pts in the National Poll, 70pts in the Electoral College, and leading in 5 out of the 7 "battleground" states".
RasmussenPoll is holding steady w/ Obama leading by 5pts. The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Obama leading in states with 200 Electoral College votes while McCain leads in states with 174 votes. When leaners are included, it's Obama 284, McCain 240.
The Gallup Poll is showing a national tie. But what's interesting is that Obama is no longer showing weakness w/ Catholics, Jews, or Hispanics:
"Among major U.S. religious groups, Catholic voters are most closely divided in their presidential voting preferences, with Barack Obama holding a narrow 47% to 43% advantage over John McCain. McCain leads Obama among Protestants (48% to 41%) and Mormons (70% to 23%) while Obama holds the upper hand among Jewish voters (62% to 29%) and those with no religious affiliation (65% to 25%)."
"Catholics have traditionally been a key swing-voter group, and the 2008 election is proving to be no exception. Obama's appeal to minority voters -- including Hispanics -- helps to push him ahead of McCain among Catholics. In these data, roughly one in seven Catholic registered voters report being of Hispanic ethnicity, and they prefer Obama by a 66% to 25% margin."
Whether you count the Newsweek, LA TIMES, or Bloomburg Polls, (or not), the end result remains the same - If the election were today, McCain would be TOAST!!!!!
Actually, Obama has been the front-runner since he defeated HRC, officially.
Almost forgot.............OH HAPPY DAYS!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/26/2008 12:34:04 PM
To my fellow bloggers, I will be back after the conventions and see what is happening at that point...have a good summer...Mark
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Posted By: bsk777 @ 06/26/2008 4:44:38 AM
The people who voted for the idiot twice are still consistent with their archaic views. Nice to see Obama and his supporters rise above this diminishing tribe of losers!
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Posted By: Davole @ 06/26/2008 11:05:20 AM
bsk777 - Did you have to travel abroad to receive your indoctrination, or was it delivered to you in your hometown?
Who are you calling an idiot? I would assume that you would be referring to your President, George W. Bush, since a vast segment of the disgruntled, uninformed, and socially rebellious university and college students tend to use that word in ridiculous unsubstantiated criticism of him almost on a daily basis.
If so, why do you think that his approval rating, although admittedly low, is almost twice as high as that of Congress? Also, why hasn't he become "unglued" as a result of the constant daily barrage of idiot, moron, failure, etc. slights levelled against him? They don't seem to "phase" him though, for he doesn't lower himself by resorting to ad hominem retorts against those who try to demean him.
Now, that's competence, professionalism, and decency on his part! Very presidential!
If your President is really an idiot, how do you explain the fact that somehow he manages to gain the respect of many leaders of foreign countries, and succeed in enacting his agenda, and obtaining funding for the Iraq and Afghanistan war despite the daily obstacles placed in his way by many resentful vengeful democrat politicians?
If he is really an idiot, how would you categorize his opposition who regularly seem to be unable to outwit him?
Lastly, to address your assertion that his supporters have archaic views. Au contraire - your idolized messiah, Barrack Obama, appears to be the one who is proposing socialist policies that failed in the 1950's and 1960's. But the Obama supporters weren't "around" then, and their desire and ability to conduct any meaningful policy research is almost non-existent. To them, the policies of "then" have resurfaced as a repackaged "now" - fresh from the slag heap of the past. -
Posted By: votenic @ 06/26/2008 9:24:07 AM
15 Points?! 15 Points?! This poll is way too biased for me, I prefer honest to goodness polls.
http://www.votenic.com
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Posted By: ZachJonesIsHome @ 06/26/2008 11:03:28 AM
If some of the other Obama scandals come out, he may not get the nomination.
Consider this parody: Sen. Clinton may still have a chance.
Senator McCain in a Time Rift!
Is John McCain Really Harry Potter?
http://zachjonesishome.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/mccain-harry-potter-lord-voldemort-obama-dark-magic-in-time-rift/
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Posted By: chindognyc @ 06/24/2008 10:48:19 PM
I would still like to know, how come McCan said that at one time, he too was not proud of his country "until" he was deprived of her. The key word is UNTIL!
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Posted By: Davole @ 06/26/2008 3:27:23 AM
I would suggest and suspect that there are 3 viable options to achieve your desire -
1. directly ask John McCain through a post on this site,
2. direct that question to him via his website (I would suppose that he has one, although I have not searched for it myself).
3. hope that a democrat or Republican politician or operative might regularly monitor this site, and would do it for you as a result of you having asked that question here.
I hope that at least one of those suggestions would enable you to get an answer.
Good luck.
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