(and the first 4 lines were a quotation of a previous post)
(and the first 4 lines were a quotation of a previous post)
Dear Fareed:
Could you possibly be more clueless?
NEWSFLASH: We are experiencing a massive spike in oil prices that is wrecking the economy and you think it is a great idea to rush out of Iraq and leave a small force to contain Al Qaeda and Iranian ambitions even though over 150,000 American troops have been struggling to achieve that goal for five years. Such craziness could only cause oil prices to rise exponentially because it would create a grave threat to global oil supply that the commodity and financial markets could not ignore.
The WORST thing America could do right now is abandon Iraq to inevitable chaos that would threaten Iraqi oil exports of 2.5 million barrels of oil per day that happen to represent the marginal difference between global oil demand and supply. The removal of 150,000 USA security forces from the Middle East would spark chaos and consequences you cannot possibly predict or control, and yet you and Obama remain determined to leave Iraq and risk a massive additional increase in oil costs that would dwarf the cost of staying in Iraq and devastate the U.S. economy and the financial well being of almost all Americans.
America's departure from Iraq would leave a huge security void that would be filled by America's worst enemies and ideally position them to threaten the weak Arab Gulf states where over 40% of the earth's oil reserves reside, and to effectively control over 60% of global oil reserves. To suggest that the USA could abandon Iraq and not trigger a huge further oil price increase is pure, reckless fantasy and your and Obama's support such idiocy is either willful self serving ignorance of economic reality or treachery of the worst kind or both.
You ridiculously suggest that the USA should leave Iraq and refocus on Russia, Iran, Venezuela and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan even though every one of those other adversaries are hoping that the USA will do exactly what you suggest and leave Iraq and spawn a huge further oil price increase that will fill all their coffers with more cash to challenge the USA while wrecking the American economy. In truth, all of America's adversaries understand America's huge economic vulnerability to oil prices even if you and Obama do not, and they are enjoying the self destructive spectacle of fools like you who are promoting an American retreat from Iraq that would allow all of them to achieve their ambitions at America's expense.
Neville Chamberlain believed in negotiating with tyrants to avoid war and spectacularly failed, but even he was not stupid enough to abandon Britain's most vital interests to domination by Britain's worst enemies as you advocate. All you have accomplished with this article is destroying any credibility you might of had with rational, well informed people.
If facts matter to you, visit www.politicalrealityonline.com for a reality check on all the major issues before you commit economic suicide by voting for any Democrat in November.
Neville Chamberlain believed in negotiating with tyrants to avoid war and spectacularly failed, but even he was not stupid enough to abandon Britain's most vital interests to domination by Britain's worst enemies as you advocate. All you have accomplished with this article is destroying any credibility you might of had with rational, well informed people.???
If you are truly interested in creating a ???rational??? and ???well-informed??? dialogue would you PLEASE stop referencing Hitler and appeasement in World War II as a viable basis for our policy in the middle east???I???m pretty sure Mr. Zakaria has devoted several columns to this as well. People don???t condemn Neville Chamberlain for ???negotiating with tyrants??? but for giving Germany half of Checklosovakia in 1939 (note: there???s a huge difference between engaging in diplomacy and giving your enemies entire countries). And anyway, what does that have to do with ANYTHING Zakaria is talking about?
Iraq???s problems are complex; it is a country with deep rifts between its religious factions who are apprehensive to create any meaningful unity government. Stop muddling this dialogue with your arbitrary assertions that:
1. Oil Prices will rise.
or
2. Leaving Iraq will bring the resurgence of Hitler.
P.S. Everywhere there is quotation marks or an apostrophe somehow three question marks appeared. no idea how that happened but it looks kind of silly.
What no one seems to talk about when mentioning what could have been done with the money spent on the war in Iraq is that this is borrowed money. This has not been American dollars spent but American debt; and who owns a large part of that debt? The country that is in an Industerial Revolution of it's own, China. The next president has the problems of Iraq as a major issue, but it seems to me another issue that is one of grave importanace is paying back the money we have spent on the war, before China calls in their debt.
What Obama should say to Zakaria: Welcome to the cabinet, Mr. Secretary of State.
Whay Zakaria should say on Iraq:
That he was one of its smart-aleck supporters of the invasion when it was being canvassed. It was fashionable then, and Zakaria is nothing if not the man who tries to jump on the bandwagin.
That Zakaria is desperate to be Secretary of State or NSC Adviser to the Obamination.
I was very impressed by this article, and posted a review on my blog which can be seen through the link below:
http://www.strangelegacy.com/2008/06/26/an-intelligent-position-on-iraq-finally/
As someone who is tired of the absolute, black v. white arguments made by both the right and the left on this difficult and important issue, it's refreshing to read this type of thoughtful analysis. If we are to transcend this challenge (and the many others which face our nation) it will require this type of bold, yet intelligent and rational conversation.
After reading several of his articles, I have to say the Mr. Zakaria is quickly becoming one of my most respected pundits.
I suppose Mr. Zakaria, we should still be fighting the Viet Nam War.
I support the troops in Iraq. Bring them home. Now.
You say you support the troops in Iraq by suggesting that we bring them home now. You obviously DON'T believe in supporting the troops who have died in this cause. Bringing the troops home now means 4,000 troops died in vain. I know, you'll say they died in vain anyway, but that is only an opinion that you have no basis for. The state of Iraq 20 or 50 years from now will tell whether we should have gone into Iraq. Until then, let's NOT steal the hope for meaning in the sacrifice of those brave soldiers.
Hogwash. You, Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice and McCain are obviously in agreement with each other on this issue. Most Americans are not. Are you willing to sign up for the military and serve in Iraq? Do you have children or grand children or other close family members serving on the ground in Iraq? My family does.
I'm not sure that Obama's "base", of which I am one, would be terribly upset about looking at troop withdrawal on a practical level. Obama's "base" tends to be heavily college educated and fairly savvy about politics. Many of us understand that..well..Baghdad will not be re-built in a day. It's a war, admittedly a stupid, evil war, but we're not the only side playing ball over there. All of those shi'a and sunni, and shi'ite militias etc aren't going to step back and take a break while we pull out of Iraq. I keep hearing Republicans who think that all Obama supporters are completely naive about the middle east.
We have different ideas about how we'd LIKE to see the Middle East handled. And given the way this war has been handled...we think we're right. We're anything but pie eyed idealists.
Bravo. I think Fareed nailed it here. The one bit of policy "give" here would be to slow down the troop withdrawal under certain circumstances, which would anger some in the base. But I think it's a far preferable plan to most people vs. a basically open-ended commitment that has required too many troops, too much cost and still produces casualties.
If anyone had one trillion dollars, and would spend on million dollars a day, the trillion dollars would last one million days. If you divide one million by 365 days, you would get 2,739.726 years. For the sake of simplicity lets round the number to 2,740 years.This means that if you had a trillion dollars 740 years before Christ, spending one million a day, you would stll be a multimillioraire today, and this does not take into account the interests.
It is estimated that the Bush administration has spent at least one trillion dollars in the war in Iraq. The money spent is what taxpayers pay the government to provide services--like schooling, healthcare, and protection of the environmnet for the American people. Instead, this administration,-- the worst in the entire history of the United States --has squandered the money by giving it to the top one percent of the population that does not need it, and in a useless war based on a lie, that has rresulted in the sacrifice of thousands of American soldiers and hundred of thousands of other people who have died for a lie
Had this money not been wasted, it would have been enough to provide schooling, healthcare, housing and other services for every man, woman and child in America, for one hundred years.
The question is, why does a government such as the present one in the White House, would rather squander the money instead of providing services to the American People, and preventing the sacrifice of thousands of soldiers and other people,not to mention mainming and suffering? Anyone with a few hundred cells of common sense, would see the logic behind this. However, lobbiysts, special interests and Wall Street speculators, would rather spend the money in a mindless war for the sake of Huge profits generated by war profiteering. If we add to this the oil speculation that continues to ruined an already crippled economy, by making the consumer pay through the nose for gasonline and energy, then we are talking about. not only the most corrupt and deceitful government in history, but the most dispicable, callous, and immoral, as well.
Come November, the American voter must,--for the sake of the survival of what is left of its Democracy and begin rebuilding it anew--vote these gang of unscrupoulous politicians out of the White House. And remember, McCain is not the solution, he is part of the problem.
Its sad day for America if Americans still votes for the Candidates taht persists of carry on meanless War in IRAQ,even at the expense of own people miseries,This makes me wonder, are these are the same people trying hard to make America going burst and bankrupt ,if this so,its very sad day in America History, that's what Bin Laden supporters devious hope in John MCain as President ,which someone is very inconsistent in his political mindset and limited knowledge of economy to guide Americans in larger Pitfall.They team up with uneducated Americans and unconscience of prejudice WhiteConservative Americans.
the security agreement between United states and the Iraq government will make legal end for the occupation and give lawfulness only for the American troops in Iraq to fight the terrorism and to help the union of Iraq - so this agreement will be ring of nick of the next president and create new international obligations for America and make a jab between the change we announce it and the real fact on the land
I WANT OUT OF IRAQ! PERIOD! GW BUSH HAS BEEN A HORROR OF A PRESIDENT! HOW HE BECAME A REPUBLICAN I WILL NEVER KNOW!CONSERVATIVE NOT! YOU REPUBLICANS AND THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT
BROUGHT US TO THIS POINT! I WILL BE DAMMED IF I VOTE FOR McCAIN
WHILE MY KIDS SCHOOLS ARE IN SHAMBLES,HEALTH CARE KEEPS RISING AND MY PAY CHECK BUYS LESS AND LESS! IM VOTING FOR OBAMA! IM VOTING FOR AMERICA TO GET ON THE RIGHT TRACK! TO HELL WITH IRAQ! TELL THEM WERE SORRY FOR INVADING THERE COUNTRY(WMD+4000 LIVES) BUT GET OUT! WE HAVE DONE ENOUGH DAMAGE THERE! TO THEM AND OUR SELVES!!! OBAMA RULES!!McCAIN DROOLS!!!
You don't have to yell. I just have one question. How, exactly, is voting for Obama a vote for America to get on the right track? I've been listening, but have yet to hear a responsible plan from Obama on anything.
As for your Iraq policy, you obviously only believe we should accept responsibility for our action when it's easy to do so. You're like the deadbeat punk that get's the girl pregnent, and skips out on her. You're selfish and irresponsible.
Fortunately Barack Obama is too savvy and intelligent to advice from Newsweek. How much do you pay people to write tripe like this?
Amen again.
Another person who sees Zakaria as an agent of special interests.
Funny how you can have a Muslim sounding name but be allowed to write tripe in what is supposedly a leading newsweekly..... so long as you write propaganda its fine.
Zakaria lecturing Obama takes the cake.
Gee, do ya think the main stream media wants Obama for the next president. Now they're even telling him what he should say to win. How does this qualify as journalism?
I pay as much attention to Fareed Zakaria as I do to Tom Friedman. Which is zip.
Amen Brother/Sister,
Both agents of special interests who think they can fool everyone all the time.
Quit and come home. Just like the Democrats did in Korea and Vietnam. What a loser this guy is. It is scary that he may be our next president.
Never knew Richard "v for victory" and "I'm not a crook" Nixon was a Democrat or that Ford who took over after he quit was a Democrat either.
If I remember correctly Ford was in charge when we ran away from Vietnam with our tails on fire.
LOL another propaganda piece by Zakaria.
Here's an upstart, third rate, gutter, writer who along with many others like Judith Miller for example, have skewed public opinion away from what is morally and ethically upright to what is right for the 'special interests' that they are beholden to.
Now he's lecturing Obama on Iraq.
LOL.
I'm disappointed this article doesn't show up on 'most viewed' list. Perhaps it didn't get the online promotion it deserved; clearly Fareed and the print editors attached considerable importance to it -- he wrote a two-page column, rather than his more typical single page, and they gave him a two-page spread and a front cover kicker.
It's always presumptuous to write a 'what [whoever] should say' type of column, but this one rises to the challenge. The purview is wide but never loses focus. The prescriptions offered thread that narrow needle through which untested leadership must prove itself in quagmarish circumstances (quagmire + nightmare).
Personally, I would hammer harder on how much that $1 trillion could have bought us here at home, because the economy has run out of self-blowing bubbles after 25 years and the only thing that looks likely to lead us eventually out of stagflation is a cocktail of catalysts in infrastructure, education, energy, and health care. It's obvious, almost 3 decades after the Reagan paradigm shift, that 'free markets and lower taxes' (and irresponsibly easy money) cannot solve all problems. All paradigm shifts have a finite useful lifespan, and the country understands, deep in its soul, that the pendulum must now swing away once again, though clearly into uncharted territory and not simply back to 'your father's democratic policies'. Obama, I believe, understands this (and wouldn't have got the nomination if the country didn't, too), and I pray he keeps his eyes on that prize without veering off course because of the enormous challenges of Iraq. Fareed's article is much more than a speech he might give--it's an intelligent safety guide for a particularly hazardous portion of the daunting journey we're embarking on.
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