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  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/28/2008 7:06:48 PM

    Presidents who had affairs:

    JOHN F. KENNEDY - Welll know womanizer with many affairs.

    BILL CLINTON - We all remember Monika.

    LYNDON B. JOHNSON - He was a competitive womanizer. When people mentioned Kennedy's many affairs, Johnson would bang the table and declare that he had more women by accident than Kennedy ever had on purpose. http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/98apr/lbj.htm

    WARREN HARDING - Known as a "good fellow," Harding enjoyed being liked more than he prized being a good leader. Though Harding was never linked to any crooked deals, the public was aware of his affairs with at least two women. Carrie Phillips, who had been a German sympathizer during the war, tried to blackmail Harding and was paid hush money by the Republican Party. Nan Britton, a pretty blond thirty years younger than the President, was given a job in Washington, D.C., so that she could be near Harding. The two often met in the Oval Office, and their affair continued until Harding's death. http://millercenter.org/academic/americanpresident/harding/essays/biography/1


    U.S. Presidents who had children out of wedlock

    THOMAS JEFFERSON - In 1999, DNA tests proved compatible with the possibility that Jefferson had fathered Eston Hemings, Sally's youngest son.
    http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1015/article_detail.asp

    GROVER CLEVELAND - During his first presidential bid, when he was a bachelor, his scheming opponents accused him of fathering a child out of wedlock???a charge Cleveland readily admitted to be true. http://www.audiobooksonline.com/0786193735.html

    Warren Harding He was also a rake and rambling boy, keeping company with a mistress even while occupying the White House, and allegedly fathering an out-of-wedlock child.
    http://www.abqjournal.com/abqnews/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4401&Itemid=2

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/29/2008 1:56:06 AM

      That is just a sampling of US Presidents. I just got to a point when I had to stop the research to get ready to go out to dinner. Do some googling. There are some interesting sites out there that tells crazy stories about US Presidents who did some crazy things (like peeing in sinks and letting people come in to talk to him when he was in the bathroom of all things!).

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/28/2008 3:44:24 PM

    Obama said that religion is and always has been a fundamental and absolutely essential source of morality for the nation, but he also said that "religion has no monopoly on morality," which is a point I often make. The United States is not the Christian theocracy that people like James Dobson seem to think it should be. Political appeals, even if rooted in religious convictions, must be argued on moral grounds rather than as sectarian religious demands -- so that the people (citizens), whether religious or not, may have the capacity to hear and respond. Religious convictions must be translated into moral arguments, which must win the political debate if they are to be implemented. Religious people don't get to win just because they are religious. They, like any other citizens, have to convince their fellow citizens that what they propose is best for the common good -- for all of us, not just for the religious.

    Instead of saying that Christians must accept the "the lowest common denominator of morality," as Dobson accused Obama of suggesting, or that people of faith shouldn't advocate for the things their convictions suggest, Obama was saying the exact opposite -- that Christians should offer their best moral compass to the nation but then engage in the kind of democratic dialogue that religious pluralism demands. Martin Luther King Jr. perhaps did this best, with his Bible in one hand and the Constitution in the other.

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 06/29/2008 12:56:29 AM

      Why is Obama even commenting on Christianity? Shouldn't he stick with the Muslim faith? After all, there seems to be quite a body of evidence that suggests he may be a Muslim masquarading as a Christian.

    • Posted By: cnrward@gmail.com @ 06/28/2008 4:49:08 PM

      Jack999 makes an excellent point.

      Here's a good website to visit that explains more on Dr. Dobson's attack against Sen. Obama.
      http://jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com/

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/27/2008 1:15:16 AM

    Lori - you are truly a whack job and he great moralist. I never advocated people smoking pot on the job no more than I would condone drinking on the job. The bottom line is how can you support legalized alcohol without legalizing pot? Oh, that's right. You're in charge of morals for the rest of us.

    Now, to the REAL question. Why are you SO interested in the Clinton's sex life and you're now calling Obama the Messiah - that's truly sick. Did Bill turn you down? For the record, since you seem to believe that you are the moral compass for everyone, how come you are not ranting about GWB - he's a perfect role model - former drunk, drug user, DUI. And, then once he became President, he lied to get us into war killing and wounding 1000s if not 100,000s including Iraqis; who bankrupted this country with his voodoo economics, who outed a CIA operative, who signed sweetheart deals with Haliburton, who turned this country into an international pariah...he should be impeached and thrown from office. That's the type of morality that you should expend your enormous energy towards handling. Or is it OK with you that John McCain cheated on his wife with a much younger woman. Let's hear some moralizing about that? Or is all you can do is spew hate towards the Clintons? Frankly, I believe you are so full of hate for the Clintons that you are blind to everything else that is important. Get a life.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 06/27/2008 2:02:59 AM

      Sorry, I'm not a whack job but i have a job, had it for about 12 years now, that REQUIRES that I walk the straight and narrow. So now the mystery to my moralistic views has been solved.

      • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/27/2008 2:58:12 AM

        What job doesn't require walking the straight and narrow? Anyway, get back to me on the straight and narrow as it relates to GWB and John McCain. How does your straight and narrow mind rate their activities compared to the Clintons? Oh, and would love to hear your comments about the Messiah's drug use.

        • Posted By: loriw @ 06/29/2008 12:55:40 AM

          wasn't it Clinton that claimed he didn't inhale? as soon as i heard that one i thought ....what a liar, he must think we Americans are a bunch of naive idiots. Guess there were a lot of naive idiots, they voted him in twice and Clinton just kept on lying to us over and over and over again.

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 06/27/2008 1:56:15 PM

    Floridadave, Nearly everyone over the age of 55 has served in the Armed Forces and that includes me. I was in the Navy. When i say almost everyone that of course doean't include your idols, Ole Rushbo and Dick Cheney. My having been is the service doesn't give me any in depth knowledge of how a war or national security should be conducted. You certainly don't have a clue. It 's Arlington National Cemetary. Anyone who has been there wouldn't shorten it's name.

    Now i don't want to be too hard on you because you serve a purpose on this blog. You are the quintessential mouth-breather and are a perfect example of the lunatic fringe of the Republican party. John mcCain appeals to you because he is you. A person willing to send young women and men to their deaths in Iraq to realize his own ambition. You're ignorant, semi-educated and are easily led by those who are just a little smarter than you, like Limbaugh and Hannity types.

    I guess i'm just being a lefty, yuk, yuk,yuk,duh.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 06/29/2008 12:41:51 AM

      ass pro, i hope you are better at fishing than history, my father was too young for Korea and too old for veitnam, so your facts are wrong.

    • Posted By: bswhite56 @ 06/28/2008 10:30:38 AM

      BassPro, you can't disagree without mouthing? Floridav can without throwing insults. More power to Floridav who can disagree with respect.

  • Posted By: datzamore@aol.com @ 06/28/2008 12:32:48 PM

    Here is the truth about the shallow candidate with a smile:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

    • Posted By: pandorales @ 06/28/2008 12:47:18 PM

      That's your "truth" ??? That another senator can't name Barack Obama's accomplishments in the Senate when put on the spot by Chris Matthews?

      That is SO lame.

      Try this "truth" on for size... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/28/2008 11:51:53 PM

        Since this guy was asked to appear on the show to speak in SUPPORT of Obama during an interview, you would think he would know at least ONE accomplishment. Even I know at least one of his accomplishments. It totally did not bode well for Obama having someone who totally supports him not being able to name one accomplishment in front a national audience. I was embarrassed for the guy (I cringed).

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/27/2008 5:34:43 PM




    Don't like liberals?

    Fine, then give them back...

    Our clean air and water standards, workers safety protections, the 40 hour work week, the soicial security program, the civil rights movement, the equal rights movement, the free speech movement, discrimination protections, the school lunch program, birth control, rural electrification, organized labor, child labor laws, the minimum wage, employee health care benefits, public assistance, Americans with disabilitiesAct, fair housing legislation, The Freedom of Information Act, The voting Rights Act, food and drug safety regulations, Federally subsidized student loans, collective bargaining...

    and everything else they have done to put power back in the hands of the individual, and out of the hands of the conservative ruling and corporate elite.




    • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/28/2008 9:18:20 AM

      What the hell are you smoking? Liberals have taken power AWAY from the people and given it to the government. Holy sh@t are you that out of touch with reality? Your lies and deceptions in previous posts have been incredible. The liberal left extreme has you so brainwashed that you actually believe the crap coming out of your mouth. The liberals have held our country back! We can't have our own energy, we can't do this, we can't do that..... One example is Oil- Never mind the fact that other countries can angle drill for oil right off our coast but heaven forbid America do something - the other countries would never hurt the envirmonment.... Where do you get off spouting all this BS? Liberalism is about dismantling everything that made America great to begin with.

      • Posted By: dumb blond @ 06/28/2008 11:01:03 AM

        Retired Marine, why don't you retire for good.

        • Posted By: loriw @ 06/28/2008 11:47:19 PM

          Dumb Blonde - did you ever sacrifice anything for the betterment of this country? Did you ever serve in the military to protect this country? Do you serve at ANY level of government so you can understand how it operates? Or are you just dumb?
          Next time try thanking a service person for their service to this country. Some days I wish this country would draft types like you but my Son-in -law who is currently serving our country says he doesn't want dumb asses getting in the way of what the military needs to do and that dumbasses are a safety risk to those that are in the military to get the job they need to do done.

      • Posted By: cagday @ 06/28/2008 11:40:43 AM

        To Retired Marine I hope to DOD you read this!! I DONT know what you ahve been smoking or rock you have been living under but eveerything you say just the OPOOSITE is true. BECAUSE and these are the FACTS of BUsh and the Republicans we are MORE dependent on OIL you FOOL. HE didnt support any methods for alternative fuels, oil companies got him in tehoffice and is ONLY solution is to beg the Saudis(who by the way have a more corrupt and evil government then Iraq ever did where MOST of the 911 terrorist came from but you NEVER here Bush complain about them because they have the OIL that we need) for more oil like a drug addict beggin for CRACK. THEN YOU turn around and blame the LIBERALa when its CLEARLY the rebulicans policy that has got us in thsi mess to begin with. YES YES LOOK AT THE FACTS, The rebulicans are all about big governement wasted spending (why under clinton did we go from a surplus then after JUST 1 year under bush a DEFECIT, I am sure even your simple brainwashed mind can figure that out unless you are to STUPID to firgure out BASIC math) UNDER BUSH invididuals lost thier basic freedoms remember the patriot act?? Lost jobs, wall street failing ,housing slumps crappy education these are all problems that arose directly or inderectly from bushs policiies. UNLESS you just refuse to look at the FACTS, Which I undrstand since most conservatives just make them up as they go along to fit the argument. Reblucians have kept this country DOWN made it WEAKER ruined the ECONOMY taken away individual RIGHTS and made us the laughing stock of the world, ANyone with the FACTS would know that. NOW after BUSH says that negotioning with terrorists is appeassment he turns around and negotiates with the leader of Korea after he himself called Korea a terrorist STATE, What a hypocrite but thats typical of a Republican do one thing say another and flip flopping like McCain!

        • Posted By: loriw @ 06/28/2008 11:40:29 PM

          Bush didn't make us dependent on oil, we made ourselves dependent on oil. EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN!
          We chose to have big gas guzzling vehicles some of us own more than one per person, we have homes bigger than we need and we WASTE, WASTE, WASTE!!! What ever happened to personal responsibility in this country? Instead of pointing fingers at government why don't we start conserving and cutting back. Every other country in the WORLD does more with less than America does. They laugh at us while we wimper and whine about our gas prices and oil dependence. Face it Americans our joy riding days in our Hummers and Suburbans are limited. Time to get real folks and get in step with the rest of the world. Most European countries are safely drilling for oil off their own shores and are not looking to the Middle Eastern countries to take pitty on them and give them cheap oil. Retired Marine knows what he's talking about and more people should read his posts.

    • Posted By: Baggadonutz @ 06/28/2008 4:56:48 AM

      You left out redistribution of wealth, voter fraud, flip-flopping on Iraq, platitudes, and the dumbing down of our children

  • Posted By: rainboltmrv @ 06/28/2008 8:40:57 AM

    The comment trashing the McCains is so full of trash that any intelligent person can see the motivation for posting it. Go talk amongst your liberal friends about how you will defend your race-bating candidate about all their black theologian white hating friends they have consorted with for over 20 years. We can all be concerned about how many of them will be appointed to the cabinet if he and Michelle end up in thethewhitehouse house

    • Posted By: patmaryjazz @ 06/28/2008 9:18:07 AM

      Your right-wing hate driven comments aside, let's call look at Cindy McCain for what she is - just the last in long line of bimbos that John McCain romanced while cheating on his badly injured wife. That was the same wife that, caring for McCain so much, she refused to allow him to learn of her injury because she didn't want him to worry about her while he was in captivity. Seems to me that the injred wife, no pun intended, was the honorable one in that relationship. Another point to consider is the fact that both John and Cindy lied to each other about their ages when they met. Now, the tendency for a woman of such obvious low moral character to lie doesn't worry me in regard to how that might affect me as an American citizen. But,, a presidential hopeful? That's another matter. Hey, haven't we had enough of lies and deceit from the band of thieves and liars who have occupied the White House for the past seven plus years? It's time to restore truth and honesty to the Oval Office and we wouldn't get that with a McCain presidency. It would be just more of the same - in reality a third term for the worst president this nation has ever had, George W. Bush. For real change and a march back to integrity in government, vote for Barack Obama!!!!

      • Posted By: bswhite56 @ 06/28/2008 10:12:03 AM

        patmaryjazz, where were YOU during the Clintons' years in the White House? Remember the scandals, lies, deception both in Washinton, D.C. and Arkansas? Remember Vince Foster commited suicide over the Clintons' deception? No one politician is any better than the other. Most of them are lying when their lips are moving!

    • Posted By: Mrs. Jones @ 06/28/2008 11:13:02 AM

      Your concern is based purely on ignorance and misrepresentation of facts. The Obama campaign has demonstrated what types of people it will work with and what type of results its capable of producing. The campaign was well thought out, well managed, well run. The advisors are a diverse group of individuals in terms of gender, ethnicity and types of service, not simply full of cronies.

      If you disagree with where Obama stands on the issues and agree with McCain's views, so be it. But don't act as if you really buy into the whole racist church anti-whit nonsense when nothing about Obama's life or that of his wife validates that.

    • Posted By: bswhite56 @ 06/28/2008 10:07:36 AM

      I agree.

  • Posted By: poet1951 @ 06/28/2008 9:42:48 AM

    Cindy McCain will make a great First Lady...beautiful, elligent, intelligent...haven't seen anything in the papers about her having to apologize for "misspeaking"...reciting racist epitaphs..or setting on a pew for twenty years with her eyes and ears evidently closed...
    I see an accomplished humanitarian who has helped alot of people, using her weatlh and influence...even so far as to bring the children into her home...I don't see a winer claiming the same old racial crap, that we've been hearing for the fiftysix years of my life...Obama and his wife were poor little black kids...but they went to the best of schools..how does that happen??? Michelle Obama was the poor little black girl, who's dad worked for the city...no he wasn't a mayor or city councilman..just an average guy..on a city salary, but was a leader in the Democratic Party...wow..how did she end up at Princeton and Harvard??? must have sold alot of cans and bottles..give me a break. Obama may be our next President...I will pray for him as I always pray for our leaders...I just hope if he does win, he leads, and is not just puppet who makes his decisions by following the polls....George W. Bush has gone against the grain...he lead us out of the rubble of 9/11...and yes, he led us to war...but, although unpopular, there are three less murderers....Hussain and his lunatic sons...whom their own people feared...Iraq will settle it's differences...we as Americans are now more aware of our vulnerability, so perhaps it will be awhile before we're attacked again...hopefully when we are, the man or woman in the White House, will have the balls to go after the ones that did it and make them think twice before doing it again...and be ready for them if they try...that is what George Bush has done...there is a reason there has only been three Democrats elected President in the last forty years...it's called good judgement...!! poet1951


    • Posted By: Mrs. Jones @ 06/28/2008 11:06:47 AM

      Poet: racial epithets? Really? Where are these statements published? As for those 'poor little black kids' I guess you are not aware of how most people fund their educations: financial aid/student loans--that have just recenly been paid off...

      • Posted By: wgoin @ 06/28/2008 3:15:27 PM

        Oh yes - the "born again" George Bush who doesn't believe in abortion because it's murder had no problem with killing over 400,000 innocent men, women and children in Iraq. And, he had no trouble sending over 4000 proud American service men and women to their deaths. I'd keep my mouth shut about dear George if I was you. Before his death he will still be tried for war crimes.

        • Posted By: loriw @ 06/28/2008 10:27:23 PM

          I take offense when people blame President Bush for "killing 4 thousand" because that make it sound as if the people who are serving in our military have absolutely no free will. Did it actually occur to anyone that there are people who chose to go into the military on there own discretion? Take my son-in-law who is currently serving in Iraq. He, Iike every singe other person in our military VOLUNTEERED to serve, remember we don't have a draft to fight this war. My SIL was in middle school when 9/11 occurred and decided to join as soon as he was able, when he was 18yrs old. No one forced him-he chose to go. I get really upset when I hear from the troops that they believe in the work that they are doing in Iraq yet so many at home don't support what the troops want and demand that we force them all home. Folks, I hate to break it to you but there is only one purpose for a military and that is to prepare for and fight wars. Before you all make blanket statement about we shouldn't be there in Iraq I suggest you correspond with a few miliary people in Iraq and get their feelings on the situation because they are there and we are not. And one more thing...guess what, there is a lot of information on our national security that we are not privy to and just maybe there are things that our top military leaders know that we don't . I think if I knew everything that our top military leaders knew about other countries and threats to our own I most likely wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Also I remember not being able to sleep very well for many weeks after 9/11 but as more time passed without another attack, I was able to sleep soundly again. SO....THANK GOD FOR OUR MILITARY PEOPLE AND THANK YOU TO EVERY ONE OF THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE!

  • Posted By: lorenaweb1 @ 06/28/2008 11:18:26 AM

    Honesty, I have done alot with my years and I am not nearly as old. I have been down in the trenches and helped poor children, many of whom do not have adequate health care. Its a lot of blood sweat and tears, not something that a rich far removed ice queen could fathom much less identify with. Show me a woman who has developed something useful to mankind, has sacrificed themselves for the freedoms of others, someone with real character that put themselves on the line to achieve something of value to posterity and I might be a lot more impressed. "She sits on the charity board" just doesn't do a lot for me, sorry.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 06/28/2008 10:01:27 PM

      I think if you really read the article you will see that she did do more than " just sit on a charity board".

  • Posted By: denoble@cox.net @ 06/28/2008 12:10:28 PM

    Speaking as a Navy wife, Cindy is nothing like a military wife. She chooses to stay away from her husband where as no other Navy wife chooses separation. We go to the extreme lengths of constantly moving around the country so that we can be with our husbands as much as possible. She CHOOSES that her children and she are away from him so that she can live as SHE chooses. Perhaps her hardness of nature is why she looks so hard whenever you see her. She is hurting her husbands chances of election. After all if she doesn't choose to be near him or let their children be influenced by him why should we elect him and honor his judgment when she doesn???t? The very least she could do is soften her looks. Her makeup is too gaudy and her hair too severe. Softening her hair and makeup is a merchandising necessity. Perhaps it would help those who are not so well informed lean McCain's way instead of questioning his judgment in marrying such a shrew.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 06/28/2008 9:56:09 PM

      Please see my comment to you above on your duplicate post

    • Posted By: FirstZebra @ 06/28/2008 12:16:04 PM

      Meouw!

      • Posted By: dsburke45 @ 06/28/2008 12:24:37 PM

        i've been in the military 28 years and unfortunately subjected to SHREWS like you. Your post is very telling of your appearance and weight. Jealousy for an attractive successful women independent of your co-dependent attitude shines. She has been a devoted mother and just because she put her family before his ambition doesn't discredit him. Her geographical location wouldn't have put the kids closer when he works 100 hours a week. Go back to your minivan and refrigerator.

        • Posted By: knvneumann @ 06/28/2008 1:52:31 PM

          I've been a military wife for a long time and what bothers me is her comparing herself to a military wife. The woman she stole her husband from was a military wife. Carol McCain waited for her husband to return from Vietnam only to be dropped for the rich young thing Cindy was back then. As a military man you know that the wives make sacrifices too when the husbands leave. We have to and those of us who love our husbands, do it without complaint but missing him every second. John McCain came home from Vietnam, ran around on his wife (his admission), found a young rich woman to replace his damaged first wife and that replacement was Cindy. She insults me when she compares herself with a military wife because she stole her husband from a military wife! Of course, he isn't innocent either, he is just a flawed morally as she is, but let's call a spade a spade shall we . . .

          • Posted By: dsburke45 @ 06/28/2008 2:10:55 PM

            I don't completely agree with you because we don't personally know what happened 30 years ago and he has long taken responsibility for his actions. He very candidly states he got divorced because he was a selfish immature jerk. I hope we all have the chancee to evolve after 30 years. Who knows? I do respect your post though because your opinion is based on facts not an attack on her appearance or because she has a carreer. Just because she chose not to drag her kids around doesn't mean she didn't love or miss her husband. I serve with many men that have wives who didn't transfer with them for many reasons. They are not less for it. i respect a man who puts their family above all else. Just because your spouse and you decide for whatever reason you can make it work without moving the family around doesn't mean you aren't committed to oneanother. Thank you though for bringing up a valid other way of looking at it.

  • Posted By: denoble@cox.net @ 06/28/2008 12:11:07 PM

    Speaking as a Navy wife, Cindy is nothing like a military wife. She chooses to stay away from her husband where as no other Navy wife chooses separation. We go to the extreme lengths of constantly moving around the country so that we can be with our husbands as much as possible. She CHOOSES that her children and she are away from him so that she can live as SHE chooses. Perhaps her hardness of nature is why she looks so hard whenever you see her. She is hurting her husbands chances of election. After all if she doesn't choose to be near him or let their children be influenced by him why should we elect him and honor his judgment when she doesn???t? The very least she could do is soften her looks. Her makeup is too gaudy and her hair too severe. Softening her hair and makeup is a merchandising necessity. Perhaps it would help those who are not so well informed lean McCain's way instead of questioning his judgment in marrying such a shrew

    • Posted By: loriw @ 06/28/2008 9:54:32 PM

      I really honks me off when people make comments on the outward appearances of people. Your comment on her make-up is no different then judging someone by their skin color. Perhaps she has a skin condition that someone (like you) would find offensive if she didn't cover it with make-up.
      As to your comment - have you personally met every military spouse in the US? Have you done research on how EVERY military spouse deals with the military person's career? Is it better to have children moved about at the whim of the US Military or is it sometimes better to provide some stability in their early developmental years by keeping them near extended family and in familiar schools? Personally, as I grew up my family moved a lot and I hated it....changing schools, losing best friends, having to fit in constantly in a new school and town, after a while I just gave up trying to have close friends...what was the point if we would move again in a few months or years. It sucked. So try putting your self in the kids shoes. Lastly tho and more importantly, try judging people more by what is inside of them and not on the outside. Burn victims especially appreciate this.

    • Posted By: bswhite56 @ 06/28/2008 12:29:53 PM

      The last six except denoble, Boraz, and lorenaweb1 are right on. The latter three are just bashing everyone IF he/she disagrees with them. Sad that you three can't just disagree without name calling and trash talk. RESEARCH the CLINTONS or even the JOHNSONS. I'm from TX, but I don't have any respect for Johnson. He, Bill and even JFK were/are womanizers. Look at the history books. LBJ and JFK didn't help us in the Vietnam War either. We need some moral guidance, too, and these three were FAR from that. I feel sorry for all three of their wives.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/25/2008 11:02:00 PM


    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    |Obama: Decriminalize pot
    Thursday, January 31, 2008

    Last fall during a nationally televised presidential debate, Sen. Barack Obama hesitantly raised his hand and joined with most of his Democratic rivals to declare that he opposed decriminalizing marijuana.

    But as a candidate for the U.S. Senate four (4) years ago, Mr. Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use or possession, according to a videotape of a little noticed debate that was obtained by The Washington Times.

    I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws, Mr. Obama told an audience during a debate at Northwestern University in 2004. But I am not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana.

    Source for above: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/31/obama-decriminalize-pot/

    Other Related article: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/15/1641/60593

    • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/26/2008 1:26:31 AM

      Sharenews - I think we should decriminalize pot use. I don't see it any differently than alcohol use. As a matter of fact, it's probably less harmful.

      If the government decriminalized its use and regulated it, then it could tax it and remove the criminal component. Why not?

      • Posted By: loriw @ 06/27/2008 12:04:03 AM

        Just what we need....legalized pot use. Lets see, would you want the following people to "serve" you as they work after smoked some pot during lunch....Brain surgeon and nursing staff, electrician wiring your home, police officers trying to keep hard drugs out of the hands of children, social workers who investigate child abuse, people who operate large cranes building the high rise you might work in someday, Amtrack train conductors etc....

        • Posted By: cagday @ 06/28/2008 12:22:37 PM

          lori you IDIOT people wouldnt smoke POT at work or before any of those things that u talked about any more then they would drink before performing surgery etc. If anyone impaired themselves by drinking or smoking pot legal or illegal they would face the consequences. Alcohol is legal but do you worry about your surgeon etc drinking before surgery?? Most likely not so if POT were legal you wouldnt have to worry about them smoking pot before surgery either or any other job..Think before you post Lori. Please

          • Posted By: loriw @ 06/28/2008 9:31:54 PM

            BTW- even tho pot isn't legal for use plenty of people do use it before and during work. Had a tree trimmer that showed up to do work, wanted to use a climbing harness and take down a huge tree with at chain saw high. I used to own a business, had it for 16 years, we had employees show up for work after smoking pot. They got one warning and sent home without pay, next time were fired. Our business required following very specific/complex instructions and the use of power tools. An employer who cares cannot take risks... that an impaired employee will injure himself or that his implaired work performance could then endanger the customer. So folks I speak from experience on this one. I wish I could speak to other incidents that I have unfortunately had to deal with but confidentiality prevents me from doing so but I will say this there are people out there that our safety depends on but they are working implaired. If you don't think so I'd love to know what occupation you are in.

          • Posted By: loriw @ 06/28/2008 9:17:43 PM

            I guess you live in a world apart from reality....people are fired all the time for drinking before and during their work hours and these are people that know that they are prohibitied from doing so. It happens often in professions such as healthcare, public service (firefighters and police) etc.
            So, next time maybe you should think before you post or take off the rose colored glasses. Alcoholics drink all the time on the job and few people suspect or those that do keep quiet and let the boss deal with it. Sorry I STRONGLY oppose legalization of marijuana.

        • Posted By: loriw @ 06/27/2008 12:51:54 AM

          People Dreffin wants using legalized pot on their lunch hours....Air traffic controllers, auto assembly workers, bridge builders, the judge and jury hearing Dreffin's criminal case, the person who assembles your PC/ lap top, the Onstar operators, jockies just before they load the horses in the gate, Dreffin's heart surgeon, just about everyone in the military as they do their combat maneuvers, the guys with the codes for the nuclear war heads...

          • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/27/2008 1:08:46 AM

            Loriw - the great moralist. I never advocated people smoking pot on the job no more than I would condone drinking on the job. The bottom line is how can you support legalized alcohol without legalizing pot? Oh, that's right. You're in charge of morals for the rest of us.

            Now, to the REAL question. Why are you SO interested in the Clinton's sex life and you're now calling Obama the Messiah - that's truly sick. Did Bill turn you down? For the record, since you seem to believe that you are the moral compass for everyone, how come you are not ranting about GWB - he's a perfect role model - former drunk, drug user, DUI. And, then once he became President, he lied to get us into war killing and wounding 1000s if not 100,000s including Iraqis; who bankrupted this country with his voodoo economics, who outed a CIA operative, who signed sweetheart deals with Haliburton, who turned this country into an international pariah...he should be impeached and thrown from office. That's the type of morality that you should expend your enormous energy towards handling. Or is it OK with you that John McCain cheated on his wife with a much younger woman. Let's hear some moralizing about that? Or is all you can do is spew hate towards the Clintons? Frankly, I believe you are so full of hate for the Clintons that you are blind to everything else that is important. Get a life.

            • Posted By: loriw @ 06/27/2008 1:23:57 AM

              people drink on the job and you know it so now let's let them smoke a little pot with the alcohol too.
              Did McCain cheat with Cindy in the White House, did he use a cigar and then give it to a visiting foreign dignitary? Did McCain lie about it to all the people of the US? How many women has McCain cheated with...more than we could count? Was he doing this cheating while he was supposed to be providing for the wellbeing of all Americans?

              • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/27/2008 3:44:53 PM

                Lori, I have never ever understood your complete obsession with Bill Clinton's infidelity. Obviously his wife Sen. Clinton has either come to terms with it or maybe it does not bother her. Either way she has chosen to stary with him for whatever reason.

                I believe that I have asked you before, why does this bother you so much. I was pissed at Star and the rest of the idiots who spent millions of our tax dollars trying to find out for sure if Bill Clinton "Slept with that woman" The question should have never been asked as it was a family issue, the Clinton family and absolutely none of my business.

                Anyway, let's be for real how many married men would admitt to cheating if there was a chance that they could lie and get away with it.

                • Posted By: loriw @ 06/28/2008 9:12:50 PM

                  Hi sjpersonal, I have been asked this before and have several times answered it in depth, sorry that you have missed it but in short... I rasied my 2 children during the Clinton administration and Bill was a poor excuse for a POTUS with his adultery and lying and then there wasthe stealing as they left the White House with artifacts that belonged to the American people. I grew up in an age were the Presidents were looked upon as a hero of sorts. While other Presidents have had affairs they didn't go on national media and lie to the entire nation about it. I also believe that the epidemic of oral sex that is occurring amoung youth as young as pre-teens can be traced back in part to Bill's definintion of sex which was that oral sex wasn't really sex. Sorry, I agree with Dr Phil that if it involves a sex organ it is sex. Don't have respect for Hillary holding herself up as a role model for women when she remains in what I see as an emotionally abusive relationship (Bill continues to have affairs and a pattern of treating women like sex objects,behavior that began before the White House ). I see Hillary remaining in what appears to be a marriage more of convinience than true love, and I feel she stayed with Bill because divorcing him would have been political suicide to her ambition to get back to the White House. Would voters have accepted a female candidate that was also divorced?

            • Posted By: loriw @ 06/27/2008 1:36:04 AM

              Dreffin, I just hope that the Secret Service Agents protecting Sen. Obama aren't doing any pot because they need to watch out for the hit man that the Clintons have likely hired. All the people that don't do as the Clintons want seem to have really bad luck that usually end fatally....

            • Posted By: loriw @ 06/27/2008 1:33:24 AM

              Nope, I am one woman who wouldn't be caught dead in the same room with Bill Clinton. sooo sorry to disappoint you I never had sex with Bill. Been faithful to my husband for 27 years and him to me.
              I didn't pin the name messiah on Sen. Obama, I wouldn't burden him with such a label. I bet if he were asked he would tell you he doesn't like to be referred to as "messiah" . Nope not blind to everything else, I am watching everything very carefully.

          • Posted By: loriw @ 06/27/2008 1:10:35 AM

            more people dreffin wants smoking pot on the job...childcare providers, every parent of very young children, hell give it to the little kids too, lumberjacks, fire fighters, people that manufacture dynamite and those that implode very large old buildings, people that manufacture medications you and your loved ones need to survive, fork lift operators, the valet who parks your brand new car, every person commuting on the beltway,
            what have I missed? anyone want to help Dreffin out on this lit?

            • Posted By: loriw @ 06/27/2008 1:28:22 AM

              More people Dreffin would like to see doing pot....school bus drivers and crossing guards, all school teachers (they probably need it more than any other profession cus' theyll have do deal with all the kids in the class who are high too) Dreffins drug counselor, everyone who works for NASA especially the astronauts (look more parts are falling off the hull and the rocket boosters don't seem to be firing). gee this is fun....

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/27/2008 3:39:57 PM

          Lori, I really do not believe that is what Dref means. You wouldn't want a surgeon ect working after smoking weed anymore than you would want them working after that cocktail or more at lunch.

          I agree with Dref on this one why is weed illegal and alcohol is not? Honestly I believe that weed is a lot less dangerous than alcohol.

        • Posted By: loriw @ 06/27/2008 12:59:47 AM

          more people Dreffin wants to have smoke pot and do their jobs....Oil tanker captains and ferry captains, Semi truck drivers, POTUS while negotiating Middle East peace treaties, Secret Service agents, meat packers, high rise building window washers, the obstetrician who delivers your children and grandchildren by cesarean section, people who assemble the guns and protective body armor for the military, airline pilots (all of them)...a

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/25/2008 11:14:58 PM

      Rut Ro'

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/26/2008 2:41:24 AM

        I dont know what it is but you crack me up with some of your responses. Too funny. Its too late to respond to this one. Maybe tomorrow.

        • Posted By: loriw @ 06/27/2008 2:00:40 AM

          Sharenews,,,
          Dreffin really isn't funny but i think you think he's so funny because he keeps passing you the joint!

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/27/2008 10:37:25 PM

            Hahaha. Actually, my response above was to Concerned Ctzn. He cracks me up at times.

            • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/28/2008 9:04:44 AM

              Gosh Sharenews - you don't think I'm funny too? Loriw is really on a roll. I think my suggestion to legalize plot has caused a psychotic break. :-)

              • Posted By: loriw @ 06/28/2008 9:20:28 PM

                I'm back and perfectly fine, was off the keyboard yesterday for my brothers wedding out of town.

  • Posted By: dwillis19 @ 06/28/2008 4:26:33 PM

    I find it interesting that Cindy McCain calls her husband "a man of great character." While Sen. McCain was a war prisoner his first wife was busy caring for their three children. When the senator returned from his inprisonment his injured and disfigured wife, Carol, did not fit into his desire to enter politics. I suppose dating the beautiful and rich heiress, Cindy (while still married to Carol) was more fitting for his new mission. That somehow doesn't fit my description of a man of great character. Is adultery still inappropriate?

  • Posted By: LovelyLife16 @ 06/28/2008 2:37:46 PM

    Cindy McCain and John McCain have done many remarkable things in their lifetime. On the other hand Barack Hussein Obama, not so much. He voted against banning partial birth abortion. His religious convictions are very murky. Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants. Voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that takes some doing. At least McCain has served this country. As for Obama's wife just not too long ago said "She is NOW proud to be an American". Why couldn't she have before? I guess she was never proud to be in the country? Think about who you vote for this year because Barack Obama certainly is no Hitler or a Billy Graham. But for many Americans out there feeling just like a surfer who might be ecstatic and euphoric while riding a tidal wave, the real story is what happens when it hits shore .

    *partially quoted by Bill Brown

    ---VOTE FOR MCCAIN 2008---




    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/28/2008 4:21:10 PM

      Op-Ed Columnist
      THE NEW YORK TIMES

      THE TWO OBAMAS - Dr. Barack and Fast Eddie Obama

      By DAVID BROOKS
      Published: June 20, 2008

      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/opinion/20brooks.html?em&ex=1214193600&en=00c95f8ea46a7c37&ei=5087%0A

    • Posted By: bswhite56 @ 06/28/2008 3:02:24 PM

      Thank you, Lovelylife16. I couldn't have said it better. :)

      • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/28/2008 3:41:25 PM

        Obama said that religion is and always has been a fundamental and absolutely essential source of morality for the nation, but he also said that "religion has no monopoly on morality," which is a point I often make. The United States is not the Christian theocracy that people like James Dobson seem to think it should be. Political appeals, even if rooted in religious convictions, must be argued on moral grounds rather than as sectarian religious demands -- so that the people (citizens), whether religious or not, may have the capacity to hear and respond. Religious convictions must be translated into moral arguments, which must win the political debate if they are to be implemented. Religious people don't get to win just because they are religious. They, like any other citizens, have to convince their fellow citizens that what they propose is best for the common good -- for all of us, not just for the religious.

        Instead of saying that Christians must accept the "the lowest common denominator of morality," as Dobson accused Obama of suggesting, or that people of faith shouldn't advocate for the things their convictions suggest, Obama was saying the exact opposite -- that Christians should offer their best moral compass to the nation but then engage in the kind of democratic dialogue that religious pluralism demands. Martin Luther King Jr. perhaps did this best, with his Bible in one hand and the Constitution in the other.

    • Posted By: cnrward@gmail.com @ 06/28/2008 2:49:23 PM

      How about listing some of the "remarkable things" that the McCains have done as you so eloquently listed the things that Barack Obama should be penalized for. And not taking anything away from John McCain's time in Vietnam, but for 5 of the years that he was there, he was a prisoner of war, and that's not exactly service... that's being held prisoner. And if I recall correctly, John McCain himself took his country for granted when he said that "he really didn't love America until he was deprived of her company." So I ask, how exactly do you differentiate between what John McCain said and what Michelle Obama said? And let me just say, I don't see anything wrong with what either of them said, last I checked we lived in a country with free speech. This country did a lot of bad things to people, and to expect people to be proud of every aspect of America the good and the terribly horrific (i.e., slavery) is just not gonna fly with most people.

      See John McCain's comments on how he didn't love America until he was deprived of her company below
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/19/watch-mccain-didnt-love-a_n_108191.html

  • Posted By: bswhite56 @ 06/28/2008 4:18:34 PM

    Hey, Floridave, I remember you from the Williams sisters' comments about not voting, Serena told who she would vote for. I'm missionkid.

  • Posted By: ??? ????? @ 06/22/2008 1:16:37 AM

    Pathetic. You white posters would be all over Obama's wife if it was revealed she was a thief, drug addict, liar...All this Oh-she's-so-special $hit makes me want to vomit. No doubt this is only the tip...and no doubt when the rest of her law-breaking antics surface, you whites will be crying, "poor baby". You people are pathetic.

    • Posted By: nopartyaffiliation123 @ 06/22/2008 10:27:07 AM

      What's race got to do with this, idiot!!!!

      • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 06/23/2008 12:53:47 PM

        Race has EVERYTHING to do with it--MORON--when it comes to blacks and whites.

        • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/28/2008 12:43:58 AM

          Only because you and idiot racists like you bring race into it with every single post you make.

          • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/28/2008 12:45:37 AM

            Raven, before you even comment, let me do it for you. I know... I must be a racist because I don't see eye to eye with your views. I know, that makes me a racist.... There... you happy now?

            • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 06/28/2008 4:12:32 PM

              Oh, no, tired marine--I already knew you were a racist. Glad you finally found the courage to admit it. Not because you don't agree with me, but because of the stupid, idiotic racists remarks you have said in some of your past posts--moron. And I still don't believe you've served anything more than a happy meal.

    • Posted By: WhenStarsTurnBlue @ 06/22/2008 1:42:09 AM

      Cindy McCain is not running for office. Obama is, and he was an admitted drug user in his youth. People don't make a big deal out of that, so why are you making a big deal out of someone's past troubles who's not even running for office who suffered from ruptured discs in her back (you have idea how painful that is)?

      • Posted By: AmeriKhan Lobo @ 06/25/2008 5:14:22 PM

        I have back pain almost daily and my father lived with ruptured disks foro almost 30 years without taking hard painkillers. He went to work and supported his family while putting up with the pain. If her pain was that bad, then she could've gotten a legal prescription from a doctor. She has miliions of $$$!

      • Posted By: alisonw @ 06/22/2008 11:38:10 PM

        are you comparing a college freshman smoking a joint to married woman, mother of three, married to a senator, who is in her thirties and fabulously wealthy yet was stealing drugs from the very charities she supports??

  • Posted By: datzamore@aol.com @ 06/28/2008 12:29:09 PM

    To the person who wrote "Obama will win in a landslide in November", here is a fact: The nation will learn the truth about this shallow, smiling face. His 20 year CLOSE relationship with a racist preache named Reverand Wright will be front and center. This CLOSE advisor has stated that black people's brains and white people's brains are different, that Jesus was oppressed by WHITE people, because, as he said, "the Romans were Italians and the Italians are white". Oh sure, let this sham of a candidate into the White House. By November, the man who has done MORE for his nation than any candidate in recent memory WILL win. Obama is a smiling idiot and the most of the people with "white guilt" will finally get the message. And Obama will raise taxes like no one else in history. Unless you are at the lowest end of the earnig spectrum. McCain was the one man who fought the BS in Washington more than any Republican or Democrat and reading some of what people are writig is amazing. But the truth WILL come out on Obama and it's just starting.

    • Posted By: wgoin @ 06/28/2008 3:07:19 PM

      No but the racist lies people like you spout will keep coming out. Thankfully most in this country are too smart to take the rantings of people like you seriously. You are truly pathetic.

  • Posted By: icanthinkformyself @ 06/28/2008 1:08:43 PM

    holly is actually correct. michelle obama was advised to correct what she said so people like you can drink the koolaid. obama is a straight ticket to bigger government, higher taxes, and he is not pulling out of Iraq right away like most people think. universal healthcare is a joke. would you honestly be excited about being on a waiting list to have a life saving operation? do your homework. here is michelle's quote....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGjR81pFJI4

    • Posted By: wgoin @ 06/28/2008 3:05:16 PM

      Michelle Obama was NOT told to correct her statement. She realized quickly that it was being misinterpreted and set the record straight. And, I don't trust McCain as far as I can see him. He is already flip-flopping on everything - tax cuts for the wealthy; offshore drilling; etc., He voted against the GI bill. Only 25% of GI's support John McCain. Sixty-seven percent of them support Obama.

  • Posted By: jazz40 @ 06/28/2008 11:58:56 AM

    Cindy and John McCain are truly honorable people. They don't ring their own bell and tell you all they have done for charity and to help others. Yet the racist Michelle Obama does nothing but whine...while she and Barack take and benefit from all that America has to offer! Do some research before you condemn others.

    • Posted By: geque @ 06/28/2008 3:03:36 PM

      Oh knowledgeable one. Please name one factual (Not some Fox Noise claim" example of where M Obama is a racist. Not a claim, but a factual example that can be confirmed.
      Unlike one of McCain's advisors that recently on the record called BO nothing but a "Tan John Kerry"
      or McCains sought out endorsements of people like Rev Hagee, Ron Parsley, Pat Robertson that have all "on the record" said racist, anti-gay, anti-american statements and yet McCain runs to kiss their rings and A__ for potential conservative votes.

    • Posted By: geque @ 06/28/2008 2:58:21 PM

      Oh knowledgeable one. Please name one factual example of when M Obama was a racist.
      Unlike the Repb's that work with McCain and recently called B O a "Tan John Kerry"

  • Posted By: ~*KJ*~ @ 06/28/2008 2:02:06 PM

    Why is is that no one seems to appreciate the fact that she is giving to the poor. I could really care less about what everyone thinks her motives are. I didn't know you all could read minds. My bad!

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