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  • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 3:20:54 AM

    All right, I had a lot of fun with Rametyn this evening. At first I thought he was just another uptight Republican who didn't want to check his facts.

    But as this evening winds down, I am beginning to think that he really isn't mentally all there - that's not an insult - I honestly have my doubts.

    And it is defintely not my thing to harrass someone who might fall into that category.

    Sorry Rametyn - I love you!

    *Hug*

    • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/24/2008 3:29:01 AM

      Like I said, factless, meritless taunts is all you have. You have not validated one single point and have only proved mine.

      By the way, why is it that people like you in these blogs belive quantity of reference is better than quality of reference. In arguing UN resolutions I only needed one source--the one that breaks it all down for you without any biased opinion. The one I am sure you finally found, and probably dug through for you mistatement about 1483.

      In your rebutals you never referenced a specififc resolution--oh, till after I gave you that stie.
      LOL
      Egostical mororn

      Sweet dreams

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/24/2008 3:01:45 PM

        He did that the other night fotypes of comments are never acceptable:

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 10:42:40 AM

        Well, I have had a good nights sleep and now that I am lookting at this with fresh eyes, I have reached the same conclusion - you are definitely delusion.

        I'll let the other bloggers read my posts on Iraq below and decide who made the better argument.

        In the meantime, might I suggest an increase in your Lithium dosage.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 11:30:51 AM

          Zig, you make the better argument of course. You are one smart cookie! BTW, you wouldn't happen to be single?

          • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 12:09:01 PM

            Oops. No strawberries?

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 12:15:20 PM

              Are asking me for one, Alvy?

              • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 12:20:15 PM

                I only partake in special strawberries.

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 12:23:35 PM

                  Oh. Which ones would they be, Alvy? Do you know?

                  • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 12:37:34 PM

                    Maybe it's time for limes. Strawberries are almost out of season.

                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 12:41:31 PM

                      Limes are sour. Is that what you want? Someone sour?

                      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 1:06:55 PM

                        New limes are refreshing, and a bit tart - but it goes good with everything.

                        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 1:14:16 PM

                          Good, go suck on some then. Enjoy. Oh, you may want to check BF, but if not, it's okay.
                          Got to go, bye., bye

                          • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 1:29:41 PM

                            Ummm, yum. I will. Perhaps I'll squeeze a little in my water.
                            It adds flavor without being overpowering like a soft drink.
                            But, I'm sure there will be a few takers on the cherries and berries.


                            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 1:55:46 PM

                              Yes, limes do add a refreshing twist to water. Enjoy, MB.

                              • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 2:19:48 PM

                                You too. Careful getting that kitty bit.

                                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 2:25:10 PM

                                  What kitty? Silly. Have you checked BF? You need to,

                                  • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 2:41:03 PM

                                    No BF there.

                                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 2:45:53 PM

                                      Alvy, there is, check it again please and let me know. There should be two.

                                      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 2:55:55 PM

                                        Nada. Nil. No music.

                                        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 2:59:09 PM

                                          What music? Did you delete yours now?

      • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/24/2008 3:41:20 AM

        Talk about not all there--trying to say you won an argument after someone provides you with the facts that prove you wrong--and then try to dilute those facts as meritless without providing any conterfacts what so ever to support it--now that is deluded. LOL

        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 11:22:15 AM

          No. Zig Zag was right. You posted like a backward logic -machine with mostly opinion.
          You do suck.
          "Lost" is optimistic; isn't even close to the disasters you posted.

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 10:47:00 AM

          I did win the argument - although it wasn't much of a win. Your "facts" were nothing more than an attempt to buffalo your wayt through something you clearly do not understand.

          I think you would make a great running mate for McCain.

    • Posted By: pramono @ 06/24/2008 5:06:32 AM

      Obama is a Marxist Jew hater and a foreign policy disaster. He set for 20 years in the pews and listened to reverend Wright and Farrakhan, is a friend of terrorists and wants to help Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas destroy the West and Israel.
      Obama is a dangerous and risky combination:
      He combines the worst of Presidents Bush AND Carter.

      Remember Bush slogan "I am a Uniter not a Divider", a candidate full of hot air, without any history who promises a lot, and once elected delivers a disaster. At least through his actions has frightened the Arab extremists and prevented a repeat of 9/11.

      Carter is the worst president that the USA ever had. He brought us an inflation rate of 20% due to his dumb economic policies, he created Iran as we know it today, controlled by the ayatollahs, he made sure that there is no peace between Israel and the Palestinians, he reduced our Military power to zero (we needed President Reagan to reverse Carters stupid icuts and naction), see who are Obama foreign policy advisors most of them are the same failures who served during the Carter administration...

      Obama brings a combination of the two; he is full of hot air, chants like a Parrot ???Change??? and is expected to be a total disaster.
      Obama was a disaster in every place he served as a community organizer, look at his neighborhoods in Chicago, according to his own writings: The Crime rate went up, the murder rate went up, drug use went up, the out of wedlock birthrate went up, the abortion rate went up, prostitution went up, educational achievements went down, welfare rate went up, this is what he wants to deliver to the rest of the USA.

      Vote for McCain if you want your children to sleep safely at night.

  • Posted By: repaite@msn.com @ 06/24/2008 8:22:00 AM

    experience? You gotta be kidding ! Nobama has flipped / flopped like most elected officals and that's the only experience he's good at. Take for example:
    Mr. Ellison a congressman and a Muslim, volunteered to speak on Mr. Obama???s behalf at a mosque in Cedar Rapids, one of the nation???s oldest Muslim enclaves. But before the rally could take place, aides to Mr. Obama asked Mr. Ellison to cancel the trip because it might stir controversy. Another aide appeared at Mr. Ellison???s Washington office to explain.

    ???I will never forget the quote,??? Mr. Ellison said, leaning forward in his chair as he recalled the aide???s words. ???He said, ???We have a very tightly wrapped message.??? ???
    Wasn't it NoBama the one that said he was for "All religions" ?

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 11:19:49 AM

      You know you guys really need to pick a label for Sen, Obama and stick with it. So is he a radical muslim terrorist plant or is he racist against muslims. FYI, you cannot have it both ways.

      By the way for the 100th time both are lies.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 11:35:15 AM

        They are idiots! There, I finally posted it and I feel good!

        • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 11:48:51 AM

          A+ Pia...now breathe in slow, and out...LOL... :-)

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 11:50:59 AM

            Lol! I am breathing in and out, slowly.... thanks for your help, Mark.

            • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 12:05:07 PM

              I don't know. You nIns and SJ are all starting to get a tad mean out here.
              Good for you. It's hard not to blast people who just make stuff up for fun.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 12:14:19 PM

                Alvy, don't you like me mean? I think being too nice and innocent gets boring after a while. Wouldn't you agree?

                • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 12:34:01 PM

                  Whoever you are, for whatever situation - it's important to be you.
                  If mean is how you felt inside, and you don't hurt anybody (Blogs are not people), then it's okay.

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 12:39:03 PM

                    Oh. You should be my psychologist.

                    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 1:31:15 PM

                      I'm sure you don't need one.

                      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 1:58:34 PM

                        I'm not so sure.

                        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 2:54:54 PM

                          Nada at BF

                          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 2:58:16 PM

                            What? How can that be? Check again, please. Did you delete yours?

                • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 1:54:28 PM

                  I am so with you on this P.

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 2:05:18 PM

                    Glad to know that, thanks, SJ. We do want to be exciting and perky.

              • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 1:53:54 PM

                Hi Alvy,

                I really try not to get angry, but OMG! some of these people, a lot more since Obama became the nominee, are just beyond brain dead, and the racism!!! I have never in my life been exposed to such blatant hate of entire races of people. I do not live my life this way, this is the ONLY place where I delieberately expose myself to such. Some posters I just no longer acknowlege such as share. She is a non entity as far as I am concerned.

                But for the most part there are a lot of really great people here, you just have to, unfortunately wade through all of the garbage to get to them LOL!

                • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 2:09:58 PM

                  That's a lot of wading. I assume that most posters are not who they seem.
                  All of the doctor, psychiatrist, business owner, "I'm black, but all you black people suck", lawyer fakes, just don't add up. If a blog is a slice of the "American consciousness", where in trouble. Luckily, most of these posters are pretend, or wouldn't say what they say in public.

                  It's good to read you.

      • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 11:41:30 AM

        your so right...the problem is when the muslim rants starting and the bigotry starts, I am right there to call the fools out on their bs....I can't tell you how many times I have posted, and the person has stopped immediately....of course there are a couple of exceptions who love to come back and called out on their bs.... Mark

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 1:48:52 PM

          I make it a point to not ever post anything that I cannot back up with a link or some other type of verifiable evidence. They never reply when asked to site their source. Honestly, I do not understand their point, why would someone just deliberately post BS, especially here. They have to know that someone will call them on it.

          So sad. But often times so very funny.

    • Posted By: josemarti @ 06/24/2008 9:58:39 AM

      That is almost as many people as died in the streets of Chicago over the weekend.

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 11:20:46 AM

        So are you trying to somehow blame Obama for all of the crime in Chicago?

        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 12:03:35 PM

          Doesn't Jose Marti sound like a mixed drink, or crime Cartel leader?

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 1:57:37 PM

            You are too funny, but yes it does

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 11:11:52 AM

      I like guilt by association...is that the best you can do? NEXT!

    • Posted By: metzlerd @ 06/24/2008 10:31:26 AM

      You sound like you would have supported that event. Aren't you just mad because you didn't have another chance to falsely claim that Obama is a Muslim? If it wasn't for the idiots running around saying that Muslims and terrorists are the same thing, the Obama campaign wouldn't have to be so careful. If it wasn't for the idiots running around saying that anyone who talks to Muslims is a Jew hater, they wouldn't have to be so careful.

      Obama has an excuse. You have none.

  • Posted By: The "O" Team @ 06/24/2008 2:57:09 PM

    WELCOME TO THE "PLANT AWARDS"... These are the awards that are issued out to some of this BLOGS MOST OUTSPOKEN PLANTS...

    and the WINNER IS...

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 2:33:17 PM

    Alvy, please go read the 'kitty' post down below, thanks. Very important.

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/24/2008 12:28:06 AM

    Yeah John MCain is he Most experience then Obama ,Im totally Agreed that included many experience of scandal with WIVES too.He one of those experience politician that leads the DOGS pack by impreached Bill Clinton out of White-house because of Monica Lewisky SEX scandal.

    • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/24/2008 12:33:39 AM

      You like that--just wait until this Larry Sinclair thing blows wide open, and the Obama's drug-sex scandal comes crashing down in full

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 1:10:39 AM

        Last month it was the Michelle Obama racist tape. This month it is the Larry Sinclair homosexual affair scandal. What it going to be next month ... I'm not sure. I think they are going to try and work an alien in there somewhere.

        • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/24/2008 1:32:22 AM

          Wow, that you are so blind to his affiliations--you have to resort to aliens?

          If you want to excuse all of the past inclinations that Obama has had, and compare them to an affair Mccain had, and actually think the scale is balanced, or leans toward Barack you are truly a confused individual. Probably the kind who believed that it was okay for Bill to be cheating on his wife--while he was in the White House-- right in the oval office. Because personal lives have nothing to do with being president--unless you are a Republican. LOL
          Nice hypocritical stance there.
          By comparison, I would take an affair over a racially divisive pastor, and unethical real estate aquaintence, who donated a million dollars to Obama's campaign, friends who actually participated in bombing people around America, and a political platform of reaching across the aisles while in truth he has voted 97% of the time with his own party--just for comparison MCcain voted against Bush several times, and against his own party by 28%. Fact vs fiction baby,

          And by the way--just to settle the Iraq thing--there is a whole breakdown of every resolution passed on Hussein--and boy are there alot--at Iraqanalysis.org. Including resolution 1441, and Kofi Annan's speech regarding it. The one where he says that military action will result if the dealines are not met. so when you say UN approval--no. Then you are utterly, and completely wrong my friend. Look it up.

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 2:42:40 AM

            That's just because you guys crack me up so much. It's always the next big scandal. Michello Obama's racist video tape, Mark Sinclair - and none of it every materializes.

            And no, I thought Bill Clinton was a dirt bag too - a bigger one, because he did it in the oval office and then lied about it.

            As for McCain's voting record, he voted with his party 88.3% of the time during the current congressional session. Here's the link:

            http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/

            And Kofi Annan, you mean the same one who said the U.S. invasion of Iraq was illegal and against the U.N. charter? That Kofi Annan? Here is the link:

            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm

            O.K., now I have spanked you a third time. How many more times is it going to take before you stop making this stuff up?

            I'll await your "no, you're wrong" reply followed by either (1) no facts at all or (2) facts that are completely made up.

            Seriously dude, I'd think about getting a new screen name - because everyone knows this one is associated with an idiot.

        • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 2:04:42 AM

          Hey ZZ they haven't heard my rapture yet....I am debating if I should go full steam or a sideways slam...LOL... ;-)

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 2:26:10 AM

            Full Steam - Definitely!

        • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/24/2008 1:37:42 AM

          Spank, spank, span-span, spank spank.

          Go to sleep little boy.

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 2:11:19 AM

            Yeah ... i don't think humor is quite your thing. I would stick with stupid.

      • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 2:03:29 AM

        I wouldn't personally count on Sinclair for anything...I have seen too many Sinclair's in my lifetime...15 minuts of fame and poof....it is not like Jennifer Flowers who was credible....he has a criminal record a mile long....I wouldnot hold my breath past the count of one...and so if all this came to past, and Obama did these horrible things, would you rather see Hillary run against McCain? Hmm, food for thought...Mark

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/24/2008 2:19:22 PM

    But, I had this beautiful geometry teacher in high school, Miss Meyer, and I wouldn't have minded trying another way to learn axioms, postulates, theorems and such with her by the method that you suggest, but these that you name are all boys. Just skip class if that's the method of learning du jour, unless, of course it's Miss Meyer. She passed on some years ago.

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 8:32:09 AM

    I hope you McCain supporters are paying attention to the latest news above here. More deaths in Iraq since yesterday. Suicide bomber in Baghdad killed 15 yesterday, explosion killed 10 today. How many more deaths before we say enough?

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 11:12:59 AM

      Good morning Pia...ZZ had a bruising night last night....I unfortunately I will be here intermittently.... :-)

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 11:17:09 AM

        Hi P,

        Did you hear about what McCain's aide Last name Black said about another terrorist attack being beneficial to McCain's campaign and the republicans? I'm sure that he will "resign" very very soon.

        • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 12:21:37 PM

          omg the man is a complete idiot....I made a comment last night that McCain's camp and for all the experience they have, are making the types of mistakes (and they are not small mistakes either) that you would think the Obama camp would be making because of the "newness" for a presidential race. Additionally, not only the people that are surrounding McCain making fools of themselves, the ultimate responsitility is with McCain and makes him look even worst than necessary...

          I was a big McCain fan in 2000...I am independent, but after what has been going on, the statesments, the accusations, the outright lies, he is not the same as 2000. I also think that his age may have something to do with that, and I don't say that with happiness either,,,he is not as sharp as he was then. Instead of being a maverick, he is blowing with the wind trying to please everyone. There's my two cents for today...I am waiting now for everyone to come out swinging....Mark

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 1:45:20 PM

            Hi Mark, I agree, with McCain we will surely get 4 more years of war, Iraq & Iran, and fear mongering. Yet this man says that he is totally different from Bush. How?


            John McCain cannot get to the Whitehouse, he forgot LOL. sorry couldn't resist. I am waiting for him to take a nap during an event, it will happen real soon.

          • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 12:30:07 PM

            Reading it over today, I don't think it's going to amount to much. The culprit has been fired and Mc offered his admonishments in record time. But, it goes to how strange people can be, and to what extend people will embrace wrong - just for the sake of winning.

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 12:34:10 PM

              Good post, Alvy. BTW, you didn't respond to my two below. Which 'fruit' do you want?

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 12:30:01 PM

            I agree with you Mark, McCain has made a big change. I liked McCain in 2000 as well. To me Bush was an unknown

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 11:26:32 AM

        Hi Mark, how are you?

        Yes, I saw ZZ's hard night's work. Good job! You do just as good, thanks. Don't leave for too long though, I feel something coming today.

  • Posted By: ttmjr @ 06/23/2008 9:28:32 PM

    Before being elected president in 1857, James Buchanan was elected five times to the House of Representatives; then, after an interlude as Minister to Russia, served for a decade in the Senate. He became President Polk's Secretary of State and President Pierce's Minister to Great Britain. Experience!? Lots of it! Yet he was one of the WORST presidents in the nation's history! He didn't have a clue as the nation moved towards the Civil War.

    • Posted By: josemarti @ 06/23/2008 9:46:26 PM

      you forgot to mention that he was a Democrat and that he did nothing (like a Democrat) while the South began its road to secession

      • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/23/2008 10:28:21 PM

        That's because everyone likes to forget it was Democrats who supported slavery, Democrats who wanted the Mexican-American war, which ran people from New Mexico, Texas, and California , and down into the inhospitable regions of desert from which they are trying to return today as immigrants. That the man who freed the slaves was a Republican; and that somewhere along the lines (probably because they realized it won them votes) it was the hypocritical nature of the DEMOCRATS who suddenly became the supporters of minority cause. When you are dealing with this big of a rift in senselessness, I doubt you will get through to anyone with logic.

        • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/24/2008 11:52:39 AM

          You're right Lincoln WAS a republican and he DID free the slaves, but err, uhh, he only freed them to PISS off the Democrats. You may want to check up on your REAL history and not that drivel they teach you in high school because it goes WAY deeper than that my friend.
          Keep in mind that Dixiecrats were "all the rage" in the south during that time. They weren't like the OTHER Democrats. African Americans used to vote, in DROVES, for the "party of Lincoln" because he freed the slaves. Then it got out that the only reason he did it was to piss off the south. Then they started taking the African American vote for granted. Promising us things that didn't come to fruition and we abandoned that ship like it was the Titanic. Notice that at most of these town hall meetings and rallies that there are very FEW AA Republicans if any in the crowd? Wonder why? That's why.
          While Lincoln may have freed the slaves he did them a GREAT disservice in doing so. He, literally, turned slaves out into the cold with no discernable skills (reading, writing, etc.) and they had to fend for themselves. Society wasn't READY to integrate them and "welcome them to citizenship". Instead they were spit on, told they were less than human (still), they couldn't vote unless their grandfather's were allowed to vote (Jim Crow) and a whole plithera of things. So exactly how did the Republicans help the slaves? They didn't because they ended up RIGHT BACK in indentured servitude (share cropping). Yes, share cropping is another form of slavery designed to not let the share cropper get ahead.
          Then came the Civil Rights Movement and who signed ALL those things into law (the voting rights act, shot down Jim and his followers in the south by making a FEDERAL law that it's a crime to discriminate based on someone's race, sex, etc.)? You got it a Democrat. They showed that they not only walked the walk but could talk the talk. THAT, my friend, is why the south turned RED because the Democrats had the audacity to support blacks on such a grand scale.
          If the Democrats, as a whole, take the African American vote for granted like Bill did during his wife's run for POTUS, we will no doubtedly abandon them in DROVES like we did the Republicans (back then) and her. The only other thing would be to become independents.
          So don't sit there and toss out crap about this president being republican and this one being democrat and they did this that and the other for African Americans because truth be told, they BOTH did something for us, when it suited them and didn't lift a finger before that. I lived in the south for a good majority of my life and while things have definately changed, there is still a deep seated hatred and anger because they lost the Civil War. By the way, I bet you think that the Civil War was solely fought for the abolishment of slavery don't you? EENNTT-wrong again. I could school you all day on this subject but you know, it'

          • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/24/2008 1:41:13 PM

            Year 1865 was Republican Golden yearsin GOD WE TRUST ,Today many politicians of Republican 2008 are just a bunch Corrupted Politician,In MONEY WE TRUST....You See then two difference Values

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/23/2008 11:20:39 PM

          That's like what, over a hundred years ago? Hello? Anything a little more current?

          • Posted By: jimgreen8c @ 06/24/2008 12:12:31 AM

            How about the first black head of the Joint chiefs and the first black secretary of state or the first hispanic Atty general. All happened under the present and former republican administrations. I could never understand how the party of George Wallace and Lester Maddox could be the party of the Black man.

      • Posted By: ttmjr @ 06/23/2008 10:39:02 PM

        I wouldn.t want to be labeled a biased partisan, so let's try Herbert Hoover (Republican). He was a distinguished administrator, engineer, humanitarian ("he was responsible for getting food to millions of destitue people in post-WWI Europe"), Secretary of Commerce under President Coolidge. Experience? Yep! Was another of the nation's WORST presidents as the nation headed for the depression.

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 11:23:13 AM

    Hi SJ, sorry, having browser problems so I have to post above.

    No, I haven't heard about Mac's aide saying that. Stupid thing to say, that places ideas in the terrorists minds and I hope he gets fired! Dork.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 1:39:36 PM

      I am not able to post in this area using my Macbook, but I can post on Stumper. I have no idea why.

  • Posted By: summer4077 @ 06/24/2008 9:36:13 AM

    Everyone keeps talking about how much experience McCain has and how relatively little Obama has. But what is McCain's experience in? The corrupt political system that needs to change. I don't want a candidate with experience in corruption, greed, and bribery by large corporations. That's what's wrong with Washington today. I want a candidate with strength of character, caring for the general public, intelligence, kindness, compassion, and steel nerves when it's necessary. I see those things in Obama. I do not (save for the steel nerves) see them in McCain. All I see is more of the joke our political system has become.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 11:38:30 AM

      Excellent comments summer, thanks.

      • Posted By: summer4077 @ 06/24/2008 12:44:11 PM

        Thanks, pia. As naive as some may think this sounds, I just trust my gut feeling. I feel 'safe' supporting Obama. I think his track record shows that he is an honorable man full of integrity. I don't always agree that one should delve into the personal lives of candidate's, but McCain's lack of compassion for those closest to him (his family) disturbs me. He divorced a disfigured wife, leaving three children behind. Then when his second wife suffered a stroke, he was nowhere to be found as taught herself to walk again. However, Obama is a devoted husband and father who has consistently stated the importance of family values. He also passed up a high-profile attorney position in favor of reconstructing a poor, crime-ridden neighborhood in Chicago. What has McCain done, other than marry a model, a beer heiress, and survive 5 years in a prison? What has he done since then? Save the POW experience, I don't see that he has done anything to prove his character that Cindy proclaims to be strong and good. Also, he was in the POW camp by circumstance. He hasn't sought out charities or worked for the greater good, and he certainly didn't stick by the women whom he married. That, to me, speaks greater about his character than any words ever can.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 12:52:24 PM

          You are not naive. Another excellent comment, thank you.

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 12:18:58 PM

    Alvy, I responded to your two posts down below. Thanks.

  • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 1:05:38 PM

    Jose Marti,let me ask you this------have you heard rumors surrounding Obama's birth ? I was emailed a website that was saying the Birth certificate on Obama's fight the smears website is not legit. Generally I don't get into stuff like this but I am now beginning to wonder. The website compared the certificate of Obama's website to another Hawaii birth certificate and the other one had something significant that Obama's didn't-----a state seal. The website confirmed with the dept of vital statistics that they seal is printed on ALL birth certificates. Hell, I checked mine. I wasn't born in Hawaii but even my birth cerficate have the seal and so does my kids.

    The website also revealed that the hospital in which Obama's mother stated he was born have no record of his birth. They have researchers in the states and in Kenya investigating this. One scenerio is that it is speculative that he was born in Kenya and his parents rushed back to the US to register his birth so he can enjoy life as a US citizen. The other scenerio is that he can't be President because during the time of his birth, there was a law that atleast one parent had to be a US born citizen and must have lived in the US for 5 years AFTER the parent's 16th birthday or something. I think his mom was 18 when he was born. It is so complicated but the bottom line seem to be that they want to prove that Obama is not eligible to be President because of the Natural Born Citizen clause. I DONT KNOW HOW TRUE ANY OF THIS IS! IT COULD BE SMEARS OR IT COULD BE LEGIT. TIME WILL TELL!

    He flip flopped about public financing and although it paints a picture of him, I understand because once he is officially named the nominee, several groups are going to come after him left and right! Unfortuantely, this election is not going to be about the issues, it is going to be about the person, their past and character.

    Holy Roller, you are a good researcher---------do you have any info about this issue?.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/23/2008 3:28:35 PM

      omg this stuff is still going on....Holly's research was watch when Sinclair speaks last week...I even teased Holly about that....no, if you want to do research that may be non biased, try doing it yourself....Mark

      • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/23/2008 4:17:02 PM

        You know Sinclair got arrested right after he "spoke" right? I about fell out my chair I was laughing so hard.

        • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 4:41:37 PM

          Yeah, but that is not a surprise. Actually that was expected. To me, it smells like fear! Sinclair is asking Obama to provide certain documentation to disprove Larry's statements. If I were Obama I would HURRY up and provide whatever was needed to put this fiasco to rest. Instead, Obama's team work hard to try to discredit him. It is hard to discredit someone who have FREELY admitted to his long criminal history and have been forthright about it.

          if Obama totally refuted any and all this man had to say with proof, that is one thing to "laugh and fall out of your chair" at but if this man was arrested shortly after his speech and has been silenced since--------to me that is showing some level of fear and/or concern.

          While Larry gave no proof, he challeneged Obama to DISPROVE his accusation with providing certain records during that time frame. Thus far, Obama has not done that. Until he does, this story isn't going away. If anything it leaves questions but we will see if it hits MSM. I can't see that happening UNLESS something drastic happen or a 527 use it in an attack ad and I am doubtful that will happen as well.

          • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/24/2008 12:12:38 PM

            You have no idea how our system of justice works do you? When the accusor (Larry Sinclair in this case) accuses someone (Obama) HE (Larry) has the burden of proof. It's not the other way around. Larry Sinclair has NO proof whatsoever regarding the accusations that he is throwing around, which is why he "invited Obama to disprove him". If I were Obama I wouldn't bother either because it smacks of lies and flies in the face of Lady Justice.

            If you're going to accuse him, have your proof because if you don't it's nothing but a lie and a farse.

    • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/23/2008 1:21:30 PM

      Ugh, you would ask Holy Roller the master/mistress of fraud websites???? Yikes.

      At any rate, Obama was born in Hawaii in 1960 the year AFTER they became a state. www.fightthesmears.com shows a copy of his birth certificate.

      He is a natural born citizen. He was not born in Kenya, his father was born there. The fact that he was born of an American mother he would be a naturalized citizen even if he were born in Kenya. No wonder immigrants know more about this stuff than people born here.

      My son was born in Germany. He is, by birthright, a NATURAL US CITIZEN,not because his father is but because of his mother. His original birth certificate is in German and it was sent to the US Embassy in Germany and translated into English. He is no more a Germany citizen than I am.

      This is just one of MANY lies that are spread around the internet by Holy Roller and his/her friends. Don't believe the hype.

      Another thing to think about...do you HONESTLY believe that the DNC would have even bothered allowing him to run for POTUS if he WASN'T a US citizen? That would be a negative.

      Sometimes you just have to THINK about things without letting the naysayers get to you.

      • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 1:48:17 PM

        I know HR is outrageous but he is a good researcher. Although, I don't agree with a lot of things he says, we both have one thing in common--we both agree that Obama should not be President. Having said that, I don't know what's true. I do know that if you know people in the right places and if you have enough money---you can make almost anything happen. Influence and money talks!

        As far as the DNC, what I can't believe is that they did everything possible to shut down HIllary, a candidate with an accomplished record and experience, for someone with no real record,, experience and one who privately referred to some Americans as "bitter and clinging to guns" and let's not forget his Rev Wright issue AND his wife's statements. Not only did they treat her like crap, when she didn't give the concession speech they wanted, many ousted her and apparently someone had a long talk with her because a few days later she was giving one of the phoniest speeches in her life when she was forced to endorse Obama! So PLEASE don't go there with me about the DNC! I think they along with Obama thought nothing would really matter once Clinton was out the way! McCain and the GOP are so unpopular that he would be able to sweep the election! Also, let's not forget he pretty much owned all of the liberal MSM.They really thought that Clinton supporters would just fall in because we'd think Obama would be a better solution than McCain! They were in for a rude awakening! The party is fractured badly and I am doubt ful that the fracture will be healed by the end of this election. So please forgive me when I say, I have absolutely no faith and give absolutely no credit to the DNC AT ALL!

        You say Holy Roller spread MANY lies, well I say that Obama himself tells many lies after lies, stretch the truth and flip flop like crazy. His word isn't all that credible! himself!.

        I don't know if the rumor is true or not but I will say this-----if Obama don't start practicing what he preaches, the GOP will be able to successfully paint Obama as a man who can't be trusted and once they do this, it wouldn't matter whether the rumor is true or false because many people will believe it based on the fact that Obama is not trust worthy!.

        • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/23/2008 1:58:17 PM

          How about this...you weren't going to vote for Obama anyway and the only thing you are doing is looking for reasons not to. That's what it boils down to. It's ok to say that you know. No one is going to fault you for speaking what's on your mind.

          I will say this, what pisses of Obama supporters is the fact that you use baseless accusations, rumors and inuendo as reasons why you aren't going to vote for him. Let's put it like this...it goes down better if you just say you weren't going to vote for him to begin with and leave it at that unless you say you don't agree with how he's going to do a, b, and c. But when you give reasons such as Rev. Wright, lapel pin, birth certificate, the DNC railroaded Hillary, the media, etc. then it just sounds like you're making excuses.

          Everyone who is not filthy rich in this country is suffering. From health care to loss of jobs, coupled with the ever rising price of food and gas people are tired of all the crap that has gone on for the last 8 yrs. and all to the benefit of the rich. It's got to stop. For me, McCain isn't going to stop it. He's going to continue on with the same failed policies that got us into this mess and then he's going to take away my right to have an abortion if I want to by appointing judges who will overturn Roe v. Wade. I don't want that for my daughters. I don't want them to have to pay back this insurmountable debt that has been left for us. I'm tired, as is my sister no doubt, of huge companies getting tax breaks and then ship their jobs overseas because it's more cost efficient. If they get tax breaks they should be keeping the jobs here but they aren't. I want to do something about the environment. All these natural disasters aren't happening because everything is in balance. There are floods, tsunamies and a whole bunch of other things because we are killing this planet with over use. Drilling for more oil is NOT going to help lower gas prices in the immediate future and probably won't in the long run because the companies aren't necessarily going to keep that oil here in the US. Remember money talks BS walks.

          So vote for McCain because that's who you want to vote for anyway but stop with the lame excuses.

          • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 2:05:06 PM

            Lisa won't listen. Not too bright - or in Hills depression mode to the n-th degree.
            I mean she ref'd PolyDolly as a viable source again. And she claims she has kids.
            Yikes.

            • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 2:13:07 PM

              I have NEVER once criticized you for supporting Obama or being against Clinton or McCain! Why must you constantly criticize me because I do not support Obama?

              • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/23/2008 2:21:06 PM

                DB-the only time someone is criticized is when they give (and let's just face facts) stupid reasons for not supporting Obama. Just like I said above, if you just SAY that you're not voting for him because you don't like his stance on the ISSUES then that's one thing but to say because (1) he did cocaine; (2) he's not a naturalized citizen of the US; (3) Rev. Wright; (4) lapel pin; (5) people clinging to stuff (and this one just happened to be so true take a look around; (6) he gathered more information and then changed his mind about public financing (because ANY shrewd businessman/woman would have said if I can raise more money from people who support me then why wouldn't I? I'd be an idiot not to!); (7) he's muslim; and the list goes on and on, then this doesn't have anything to do with the price of tea in China.

                For ONCE can you, without giving me rumor, baseless accusations, inuendos and crap, give me a laundry list of WHY you aren't voting for him (in other words, based on the ISSUES ONLY why aren't you voting for him)?

                • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 2:45:54 PM

                  Let me say this------ANY accusation of corruption is NOT that important to me because I think just about ALL politicians are tainted. But I just think it is SO hypocritical and it goes to credibility when you are vowing to change how things are done and at the same time using the same tactics you are disavowing..

                  Cocaine use--actually, I commend him for being honest about it. I can't do anything but respect honesty!

                  Rev Wright---actually that bothers me! He initially held Wright in the highest regards and sat in that church for 20 years. Let me be honest, some things Wright said were valid and true and some were off the wall but I can't see how ANYONE can sit in a church for 20 years in which the preacher sometimes spoke harshly of the country and of certain Americans and then say that you didn't agree with his statement and his views dont reflect your views. HELLO---YOU SAT IN THE CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS? The man married you and baptized your kids, you named a book after one of his speeches and now you want us to think that all this time while you voluntarily went to this church for 20 years that you disagreed with those views? OKAY--how dumb do you think people are?

                  The lapel pin goes to patriotist. The lapel pin alone isn't a big deal BUT when you factor in his anti american associates, it is a issue for me.

                  Muslim---I can be honest and say that with the state the world is in today, it would bother me to have a Muslim president at this time and how you can say the Muslim issue IF TRUE and the anti American friends and anti american statements his wife made don't have anything to do with anything is beyond me. I don't agree but I respect your position.

                  Initially, I didn't support him because of the experience factor. But as time goes on and we learn more----the more I become concerned about Obama. I can be honest about that.

                  Well let me turn the question around---Why are you supporting him? Do you really believe in his change message?

                  • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 2:49:03 PM

                    I think he meant political issues - not personal issues.

                    • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/23/2008 3:52:15 PM

                      Gasp! Alvy...I'm a woman honey! But yes, I meant political issues. But to answer DB's question: Why I support Obama and not lame brain McCain:

                      1. Taxes. He has said he will do away with the tax cuts for the rich, raise taxes on people who make $250K + a year, give the middle class (me) a $1000 tax break and will look into possibly giving the elderly who bring in $50,000 or LESS a year NO taxes at all; He will tax the h e l l out of corporations who take their jobs overseas because it's not fair that they are getting a tax break in the US and not providing jobs for US citizens. (which is only fair!) I am all for paying higher taxes if it means better programs for our people (health care for everyone and everyone paying in their fair share of FICA, etc.)

                      2. The "war" in Iraq. He said that he will begin pulling troops out of there. We are in DEBT up to our eyeballs to China financing this war and our children's children will be paying it off. You can't borrow and spend all while lowering taxes on the rich. That is where the debt comes from. In order to at least begin paying it off we have got to get out of there and allow the Iraqi government to do something for themselves and let them foot their own freaking bill! People are afraid of the "tax and spend" well you can't go to war unless you "tax and spend" because if China got a case of the a$$ and decided to call in their IOU the infrastructure of the US would collapse because it's already fragile.

                      3. Environment-drilling oil off the coast of the US isn't feasible because it's not going to help us now and it's not going to help us in the long run. He wants to break our dependence on foreign oil and the only way to do that is to force the oil companies to REALLY find alternatives because oil isn't forever and it's eventually going to run out. People on the West Coast, Gulf Coast and East Coast do not want oil slicks the likes of Valdez to taint their beaches. Cleaner fuel and reducing our dependence is a start;

                      4. Foreign policy-sitting down and finding out from our enemies what exactly makes them our enemies is a start to trying to bring TRUE peace to this world. His stance on Cuba, taken out of context, was that he would talk to the new leader when it is clear that he is making headway on reversing what his brother did. Conditions, that have not been outlined yet, but they have to be met. We see that carrying a big stick and whacking people over the head with it only makes enemies of those around us. We don't need anymore of that. Sanctions only make the citizens of the country suffer under the hands of the dictator. You've seen Iraq, Iran and even Cuba. Did that really work? No, only the people in those countries suffered;


                      • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/23/2008 3:54:03 PM

                        Continue: 5. Education-Obama's stance on education is that everyone deserves a GREAT education. Our country is far behind other countries in this arena. We have the means, which is why people from other countries come here to get it and then take it back to their countries, but it's not attainable for everyone. Education costs are going through the roof and until ALL of the children in this country have the benefit of the SAME education regardless of their living conditions at home, then we can produce some of the greatest minds in the world;

                        6. Healthcare-he is for universal heath care in this country regardless. People are going broke and filing bankruptcy in record numbers because they have sudden hospital bills that are outrageous. Is it too much to ask that we all have access to the same health care that the rich do? I really don't think so as long as the quality of care is the same.

                        7. NAFTA-while I'm not really sure what's going on with this, but he thinks that it needs to be fixed and I can't help but agree with him. This goes back to taxing big companies. They should NOT be enjoying the benefit of a tax break for the money that they make (under the guise of "keeping jobs here in America") when they aren't keeping the jobs here. I remember there used to be a time when things were Made with Pride in America. I haven't seen that sticker/tag on anything that I've bought in YEARS. My "American" car is not American because most of the parts come from China and Japan. It's just assembled here in the US, maybe. While I am for free trade, Obama thinks that the HUGE trade deficiet between us and China needs to be reversed. They don't allow a bunch of junk from the US or any other country into theirs yet they send all kinds of toxic crap over here for our consumption. THAT needs to be fixed;

                        8. Lobbyist dictating policy-Obama is dead set against this. Lobbyist are why this country has been sold off bits and pieces at a time to other countries. (And I'm not saying this is his stance but) It's one thing to listen to a lobbyist but another to let them dicatate what policy should be. A good leader listens to all sides of an issue and then acts accordingly.

                        9. My right to choose-Roe v. Wade-Obama believes in a woman's right to choose and he also believes that government has no business dictating to a woman what she can and can't do with her body. The next POTUS will be appointing a couple of Supreme Court judges and the last thing you want is someone who will overturn this landmark case. (Again, not saying that this is his stance, but ) If clinics are funded by the federal government for other things, why not this? A clinic is a clinic and as long as they are doing things the right, safe way then why not?

                        These are but a few reasons why I will be voting for Obama and not McCain.

                        Psst: did you notice that none of those things had anything to do with non-issues

                        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 4:30:31 PM

                          Gulp.

                          Sorry about the gender thing. You ahhh, place your periods where a man would, ahhh, and your keystrokes are very, ahhh, harder on the keyboards, while ahhh, soft at the ends like a man's. But ahh, your words and delivery are very female and practical - not saying that, ahhh women aren't practical, but ahhh - never mind. Hiya sweetie!

                          • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/24/2008 11:09:16 AM

                            It's ok. My screen name doesn't exactly "scream" female, black or otherwise. *LOL* I'm a natural debator and I question a lot of things (this stems from my strong desire as a child to be a writer/journalist).

                        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 4:31:41 PM

                          Excellent cases! I'm going to cut and paste it to my blog books.
                          Look - issues!

                          • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/24/2008 11:07:55 AM

                            Glad that you like it. It amazes me that people think that JUST because we are voting for Obama that the majority of us are air heads and can't read and listen. I will admit that my first time out voting I WAS an airhead and didn't do my homework. In other words, I was an uninformed voter. I always thought to vote for the "lessor" of two evils. In a way, it's still like that but I can not, in good conscious and especially being a woman, ever vote for another Republican. They took ALL the wind out of my sails when I discovered that they run on the platform of over turning Roe v. Wade and setting women back a couple of hundred years. Then the older I got the more disgusted I became with them all together because they like to cram morals down our throats when they don't have any themselves. That is nothing short of hypocritical and it smacks in the face of common sense.

                    • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 2:53:03 PM

                      Hello??? We can't really debate political issues because Obama's resume is pencil thin! All we can go by is his rhetoric. How trustworthy is the rhetoric when his actions DO NOT match the rhetoric?

                      • Posted By: AmeriKhan Lobo @ 06/23/2008 7:08:56 PM

                        And McSame's actions match his rhetoric? Flip flop McSame has shown he changes his mind to gain support whenever he wants to. He also has backed most of Bush's/Cheney's failed policies. He already said that "Heck yeah" he has a place for Cheney in his administration if he becomes President.

                        Easy for you to believe the anti- Obama propaganda while refusing to see the truth about McSame

                      • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/23/2008 4:25:52 PM

                        So basically what you're saying is that because McCain is old as dirt and owes Jesus a dollar he can just tell you what he's going to do (when he can remember what he's going to do) if he becomes POTUS and it's all golden; BUT if Obama does the same thing (and he remembers what he said he's going to do) then that's not good enough and it's just rhetoric???

                        That doesn't make sense. If that's the case then every single one of those that were running were doing nothing but spewing rhetoric. None of them have actually DONE anything as POTUS because none of them have BEEN POTUS to do anything. They ALL have legislative experience (some more than others) and just because they have their name on a piece of legislation doesn't mean it became law. You can put your name on a piece of paper but if it doesn't mean anything and doesn't go anywhere then it's nothing but a piece of paper with your name on it.

                        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 4:39:04 PM

                          Owes Jesus a dollar! LOL! Hahahaha!

                      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 3:23:57 PM

                        Actually, if you go to the Senate Library - it's pretty huge.

              • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 2:23:32 PM

                Well no. I like Mc. Better than Bush anyway. I'm happy that Nov. is coming.
                I pick on you being anywhere near the lunacy of Poly - today.
                Plus you're bigoted - and never stopped.

          • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 2:17:35 PM

            YOu make valid points and I would be inclined to agree if Obama had a record or some level of accomplishment to show that he has tackled or fought for the issues you bring up. All he has is rhetoric! I am sorry but I can't vote for rhetoric. However, I respect your decision to support him wholeheartedly!

            BTW, I stated from the beginning that could not support Obama because this country is in too much trouble to vote for someone with basically no experience or accomplishments but it seems like every week some new development is coming out about Obama. Granted, they all could be smears but the developments just make you wonder who is the guy? I don't believe any of them are true but they do make you wonder and makes one question Obama even more.

            But again, I TOTALLY respect your decision to STRONGLY support your candidate!

        • Posted By: AmeriKhan Lobo @ 06/23/2008 6:56:02 PM

          Obama is a politician like the rest of them and he has to play certain games to get things done just like them all. When you compare Obama to McSame, Obam comes out on top. McSame flip flopped more, Is backed by more corporate and big interest money groups and is buddies with Bush and agrees with the GOP more than not. He is praised for being a "war hero". He was at the bottom of his classes(not too bright) and got shot down twice on his first few missions(incompetent). McSame is just a bitter old white man with a temper. A lot of people will be voting for him because he's white(and don't try to fool yourself it's not true)

      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 1:39:49 PM

        I don't think the nutjob DB is going to say thanks for your input. Lisa is in high "I hope they find something" wish mode. Fact is, Lise already knows where to get the info. She just won't.

        • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/23/2008 1:42:30 PM

          You're probably right but dang these people kill me. The more I listen and read of people in the US who are allowed to vote, I see why England has a poll tax. They don't want idiots deciding who should be their PM too much riding on it. *LOL*

          • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 1:56:25 PM

            Idiots! I don't think you should talk about yourself like that! You are supporting/defedning a man who has no record and no real accomplishment. PLENTY of anti American associates including his wife---Sat up there in a separatist church for 20 years who outright lied and flip flopped on that issue and who will outright lie, flip flop and stretch the truth whenever it is politically convenient yet you have the audacity to refer to someone else as an idiot!

            Perhaps you should look in the mirror!

            • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 2:02:35 PM

              See. Nuts. Off the edge. Wacky.
              I told you she wouldn't read your post Iam. Just straight to dumb.

              • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 2:12:08 PM

                Luv U 2 =-)

                • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 4:40:09 PM

                  See. You're angry and holding it in.

            • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/23/2008 2:08:54 PM

              Oh but it's ok for those people to sit in Hagee, Buchanan and Robertson's churches and listen to THEM rant and rave about the gays, Jews and blacks at length and not be outraged by anything THEY are saying right? Let's see, it's the gays fault for Katrina (and NO had a predomoniatly black population) and then God sent HITLER for the Jews? What kind of crap is THAT??!

              Don't get me wrong, Wright was dead wrong for blaming the US government for AIDS because it isn't true on that part however, learn about the Tuskeegee Experiment and see if that doesn't bother you just a tad bit. Oh you never heard of it? Well just go google it and then come back and tell me what you read about it. F'd up stuff right there. I suspect that you're one of those that hasn't heard the whole sermon that he preached on that day. You should try listening to it and putting it into context because those that you heard on the news were taken so far out of context it was unreal.

              I'm no idiot honey. I've seen what doesn't work and I've seen what MIGHT work but it's got to be given a chance to work. Hey, if it doesn' t then I'd be the first to admit defeat! But give the guy a shot at least.

          • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 1:49:29 PM

            If there were a tax, only half the population would be able to vote. Wait. Let'sget the tax, Hurrah!

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 1:37:02 PM

      Damn DB. You're even more screwed up now.
      PolyDolly? Advice? You are just out of your mind. Your poor kids.

      • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 1:50:40 PM

        I love you too Alvy =-)

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 2:55:17 PM

          Everyone does. Have you not noticed, D?

          • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 3:03:57 PM

            Pia--do you have a problem with me?

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 3:08:19 PM

              No D, I don't. To be honest with you, I like you. I mean that. I enjoy seeing you on the blogs.

              • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 3:13:41 PM

                Same here =-0

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 3:16:46 PM

                  I'm glad, D thanks, That is very important to me. I have to fight and hurt anyone. I think I have cried more since frequenting this blog than any other times in my life. I'm a cry baby.

                  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/23/2008 5:29:54 PM

                    Oh Girl NO, never allow anyone but those that you love and/or respect make you cry. No one else is worth your tears. Certainly not any nonsense that you read on these blogs.

                    Some posters may cause me to be seriously pissed or may cause tears of laughter, Alvy has done that but never ever tears of sadness. Those are much too personal

                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 6:01:10 PM

                      Yes SJ, those that I love and respect and matter to me, make me cry. If they didn't matter, I wouldn't cry.

                  • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 3:30:26 PM

                    I can tell that you are very sensitve and a very caring person. It seems that your feelings get hurt easily. My daughter was like that and I will tell you the same thing I told her-----you've got to grow "tough skin". You can't let other people have power over you! While you are crying ----the people who made made you upset or hurt your feelings could care less! DONT GIVE THEM THE POWER! I surprised myself and let Alvy get to me, remember, but I easily changed that! I bet he was cracking up seeing how upset he made me. He is now seeing that he don't have that power anymore. When he tries to go there with me, I will just saying like "I love you" or you must like me". Do you see how he back down when I do that! I took that power away from him. Now you take the power away from who ever is bringing you down, there are NOT worth your tears!

                    I can tell you have a beautiful heart and that you are a very trusting person---STOP BEING SO TRUSTING! Half of the people who smile in your face are the ones who are plotting behind your back. The tears are only going to make you wiser, stronger and more determined! Stay true to yourself and work on growing "tough skin".

                    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 4:24:51 PM

                      Yeah, but every time you say those things, and it sucks to be on the receiving end, I know you're spinning inside. Churning with displeasure - hmm?

                      It's funny because all-in-all whenever someone advises someone else to get a thicker skin - they have really thin skin. Thick skin is earned. You can't crazy, whine or wish your way to being level (which is far superior to being thick-skinned I think). Being level also is a by-product of overcoming obstacles (you cry, if you must, while overcoming obstacles - not before facing them or well after its over) - not crying because the woman lost the election. Weak - the Lisa super-trait - is hoping someone fails in order to make your personal Lisa pain go away. I'd say you're weak and thin-skinned. Being a bigot is just added fun for ya'.

                      • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 4:47:01 PM

                        Alvy, your analysis makes no sense! And the fact that all you do is attack people shows a major weakness in you. People with inner strength and self assurance don't go around attacking almost everyone who disagrees with them! So what does that say about you. Mr. Alvy =-)


                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 3:34:30 PM

                      Wow. Thank you D. Thanks for the advice. You are so right about me. I have grown a thicker skin lately though.

                      • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 3:50:41 PM

                        Your welcome and I am glad to hear it! Make sure you continue to grow tough skin =-)

                        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 3:58:52 PM

                          Okay, thanks, I will try.

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 3:19:35 PM

                    Oops, typo in my above post. I meant, " I hate to fight and hurt anyone".

        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 2:07:34 PM

          Ahh. He'll be home soon.



          Maybe.

          • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 2:10:32 PM

            LOL----yes and he can't wait to come home

            • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 2:21:36 PM

              Duck for dinner and criticism for dessert?

              • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 2:30:30 PM

                Red Lobster for dinner and I can't tell you what dessert is

                • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 3:22:34 PM

                  If hubby walks through that door - don't whine.

                  • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/23/2008 3:45:13 PM

                    What are you talking about?

                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 4:20:54 PM

                      He thinks you own a horse, D. You know horses 'whine'. Mine does.

                      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 4:36:12 PM

                        I think little Lisa said she had a pony when she was growing up.

                        By whine I mean she cries to much on these blogs, and the last thing her hubby wants to hear is more useless, tract-less, non-profound boo-hoo's when he walks in the door.

                        I mean this girl is way too emotional about one politician.
                        And way to hateful about another.

                        Hence, nutjob.

                        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 4:41:45 PM

                          I know what you meant, Alvy. Go check on BF if you have time.

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 3:26:57 PM

                    I had a really nice dessert today and I saved you some. Fresh ripe juicy strawberries dipped in sugar. Very yummy.

                    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 4:26:00 PM

                      Chocolate for dipping?

                      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 4:31:49 PM

                        I saved all the chocolate for you. I need to watch my figure you know, for my new VS hot pink bikini. May wear it this evening. I'll have someone take a pic.

                        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 4:37:00 PM

                          Hey they have those new 360 degree camera's LOL.

                          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 4:40:38 PM

                            Why, do you want a photo of me?

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 11:56:02 AM

    SJ, in answer to your 'nosey' post... you are def. not nosey. You probably figured out what the letters stood for. Feel free to ask me anything. If I can I will reply.

  • Posted By: Richard1327 @ 06/23/2008 1:52:49 PM

    Too bad Obama's money is running out. Obama's contributors in the primary are tapped-out and now he's looking for cash from Hillary's supporters. Fat chance of that happening when they barely want to vote for him in the first place. To add insult to injury, McCain's supporters and the GOP are pumping money into his campaign like gas was $1.50 per gallon. McCain is already getting the backing of the rich Republicans while Obama has to beg for every last dime from the majority of poor Dems. With Obama's well drying up, Hillary's supporters turning their backs on him and Obama going back on his promise to accept public funds, looks like he's finished even before the convention. I'll bet that public money is looking pretty good about now when McCain is out-fundraising him already. What goes around comes around and usually comes around the back to bite you in the ass. It may not be too late to nominate Hillary at the convention afterall if the Dems want to take the Whitehouse.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 2:09:46 PM

      Somehow, I think he'll get the money.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 2:11:55 PM

        Alvy, can you please check BF? Thanks.

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/23/2008 5:26:07 PM

          P,

          Who is BF that you keep mentioning. I want to watch "read" Alvy make them cry. Sorry I am in a cruel mood today. LOL

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/23/2008 10:14:54 PM

            Hi SJ. BF- I would like to tell you what it means, but I can't. Sorry.

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 11:45:11 AM

              Hi P, No worries, thought it was another poster. Sorry for being nosey.

        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/23/2008 2:20:37 PM

          Get right on it.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/23/2008 5:24:39 PM

      NEWS FLASH. Sen. Obama has almost $50 million in reserves left over from his primary. Sen, Obama will always be well funded and debt free. His supporters will ensure that, no worries HE WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT!.

      SO BE HAPPY!

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/24/2008 1:56:31 AM

    Is John MCain a good moral Christian?Dont you see he's using the religion as his tool...

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 2:00:08 AM

      He's a moral christian. I remember reading in the bible:

      Thou shall cheat on your handicapped wife and then divorce her for money.

      And that's just what he did.

      • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/24/2008 2:12:35 AM

        And like I said, Zig--no, like I proved--you spend too much time in here spouting endless amounts of factless, pointless, directionless piles of crap. And the scary thing is, I actually believe that you think you make sense, or at least that all your BS actually convinces anyone you are a person of some intelligent merit. A trait that you obviously do not possess. You can go on all night making smart remarks that have no bearing on intellectual discussion, It won't change a thing.

        But good luck.

        Like I said, in your world, I am sure the people you know consider you the smart guy in the group.

        LOL

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 2:22:33 AM

          Awww ... don't be angry just because I took you to school not once, but twice (for those of you wondering what I am taking about, see further down).

          Sure, I taunt people when I think they deserve it. But I can also walk the walk when I need to.

          You, on the other hand, just like to bluster - which is why I taunt you. If you actually want to take the time to post something relevant, with supporting faces, I will be more than happy to seriously debate it with you.

          Until then - you're going to keep getting spanked.

          • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/24/2008 2:33:26 AM

            You don't walk the walk.

            Everyone go to Iraqanalysis.org and see for yourself.

            YOU SAID THE UN DID NOT SUPPORT MILITARY ACTION

            But were to stupid to recall Resolution 1441, which proves you are wrong.

            How do you school someone else, when the information you provide is inaccurate.

            You area an egotistical FOOL, to continue being wrong and actually still try to say that you were not.

            You make absoulutely no sense.

            That is Iraqanalysis.org.
            Please do go down and read his posts, then visit the site. It is a complete rundown of eveything in order, and completely discounts this idiot.

            You are beyond moronic.

            • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/24/2008 11:41:32 AM

              See rambutt. I told yo you couldn't stop.
              Zig wins again.

            • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 3:12:39 AM

              You mean my posts, were I lay out a specific argument, with links to the supporting documentation. Compared to your incoherent babbling and the only source is www.iraqanalysis.com.

              I am sure your fellow bloggers will appreciate stooging around that site for hours, only to discover you are completely wrong.

            • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 3:10:11 AM

              O.K., I'm tired, so I am just going to cut and paste from above:

              Resolution 1441 - the one giving Iraq a final chance to meet U.N, disarmament provisions. That's your proof?

              I like Resolution 1483, recognizing the U.S. and Britian as "occupying powers" - don't you think that term is a little odd for a U.N. authorized invasion. Oh wait, it wasn't authorized.

              Or how about the draft resolutiion from Spain, the U.S. and the U.K. for the Security Council to authorize the use of force:

              http://www.casi.org.uk/info/undocs/scres/2003/20030307draft.pdf

              You remember, the one that Bush promised to take to the Security Council for a vote, and then when he realized it wouldn't pass - becasue the majority of members were against it - said "wait a minute, we don't need this, we have all the authorization we need on 1441.

              You are such a doofus. But your complete denial of reality is totally cracking me up!

      • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/24/2008 2:07:05 AM

        Never said Mccain was perfect. But I don't make shyte up in the bible just to argue either. The attributes made about Obama, that he is charismatic, and inspires with empty speeches of hope and promise is very similar. Just thought the juxtaposition was funny because its close. I am not all that religious, just pointing out that while Jack refers to alot of bible quotes, he forgot to throw that in.

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 2:24:23 AM

          I'm a Christian - but I know half the stuff in the Bible is not right. God does not want us to be that way. And if Jesus was here today - he'd definitely be a Democrat voting for Obama.

          • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/24/2008 2:41:45 AM

            What you are is someone who will say anything, if it sways someone to your side, so that you can go on making your moronic comments with the hope that somebody will agree with you in the attacking of someone else.

            Sad Zig, and trasparent as well. Jesus voting for a party that aides in the decline of morality within a civilization, that's great. Oh , that is a good one. LOL

            Next you'll be saying he was gay too, LOL

            • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/24/2008 10:46:13 AM

              I'm going to have to agree with Zig on this one. In that same BIBLE it says "judge not lest ye be judged". So if Dems are so immoral when it comes to allowing someone ELSE (meaning God when He commands Peter to open that Book of Life when you approach the gates of Heaven) to be the judge, then we are a bunch of immoral Christians. Isn't that an oxymoron or something? Anywho...republicans are trying to force their morals down everyone's throats and failed to heed the ENTIRE Bible (they for some reason keep skipping that part about judging) from cover to cover. Granted it's full of contridictions BUT it's written by MAN (for the most part) because if you check out the OLD Testament I don't recall seeing very many words "in red" indicating that they were spoken by Jesus. Now in the NEW Testament there are plenty of red passages there. That is why most older religions (Islam, Jewish, etc.) that aren't Christianity only live through the Old Testament. I may not be a Bible afficianato (sp) but I know the "gist" of what's in it and Zig is correct in that Jesus would be a Democrat because we are about helping EVERYONE not just the few ELITE in our population.

            • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 3:16:20 AM

              Yeah, but when his only other choice is to vote for a party that is as cruel and corrupt as the Roman Empire, he has to throw the level for Obama.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 8:37:15 AM

                That was perfect, Zig! What you said is the truth.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 8:35:50 AM

            Ditto! Yay to our Jesus!

  • Posted By: acazaleda @ 06/23/2008 11:39:40 PM

    Barack Hussein Osama Obama and his baby mama will destroy this country! He is a muslim lover and is cozy with the Bin Ladens and other shiite families that are terrorism´s mayor financers....ups that´s Dubya...my bad =)

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 11:38:01 AM

      OOPS. My sincere apologies. Just so used to seeing this BS as a real comment. Again, Sorry about all.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 11:35:38 AM

      That baby mama BS. Say it outside of your cave I dare you. You are a bigotted inbred uneducated a$$

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/23/2008 11:47:02 PM

      Oh no ... please see below. The "Barack Obama is muslim and is going to destroy the world" stick is way over done. So is the "Newsweek is biased" line.

      But the I'm an idiot and know nothing about the Iraq situation thread is wide open.

      Come on, have a go!

      • Posted By: acazaleda @ 06/24/2008 12:07:47 AM

        Zig Zag¨, judging by your nick I think you rolled up one too many ... Dubya is the one with the Bin Landen family ties!! Remember 9/11? You know the thing about the planes and the buldings...Of course Obama it´s not muslim! Im tring to make a point about the absurdities of the slander campaing agaist him! But you hipsters just keep giving them ammo...

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 12:58:06 AM

          Oh ... I guess I am smoking a bit too much ... didn't see that last bit. My sincerest apologies! And to think I wasted such a witty post - my bad.

          Well, at least I was coherent enough to give Rametyn the spanking he deserved. Of course, that's not particulary difficult.

          • Posted By: acazaleda @ 06/24/2008 1:23:20 AM

            jajaja no harm done...light one up for me...

      • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/23/2008 11:59:42 PM

        By the way, you are right--you know nothing about the Iraq situation. To prove this I will steer you to article after article that proves my point, while you sit here and try to convince everyone with you limited insight and factless rants about what you "think" actually happened.

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 12:54:08 AM

          Well, here's hoping you do a better job the second time around. The last article you steered me to was five years before the Iraq invasion - see below. You know, you should really read those things before you post them as references.

          But at least you have the whole 'reply" button thing down. That's a start.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 2:07:55 AM

      Plop plop fiz fiz, I love bigots...didn't you learn manners growing up...guess not...NEXT!

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/23/2008 9:48:21 PM

    Bush is the worst president in the nation's history.

    • Posted By: josemarti @ 06/23/2008 9:58:18 PM

      Had a Democrat been President during the last 10 years, Saddam Hussein would still be in power and the US would have been attacked twenty times

      • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/24/2008 11:34:12 AM

        He didn't like the zealots and did a darn fine job of keeping them OUT of his country even though he was killing his own people. Despicable man though he was, he DID not like any threats to his power and the zealots were just that.

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/23/2008 10:28:30 PM

        If you took the time to educate yourself - you would realize that Saddam was never a threat to the U.S. He was a terrible person, true - but he never supported the Muslim zealots that wanted to attack the U.S. The reason was simple - they were also a potential threat to his own power.

        Iraq only became a threat after we invaded.

        • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/23/2008 10:41:24 PM

          And if you took the time to educate yourself, you would find that we did not invade Iraq because he supported Muslim zealots. We invaded Iraq because he did pose a threat to the US and surrounding countries--rememeber Kuwait? or did that not happen? WMD's found, or not found, the fact that he defied UN inspections over, and over, and over, and over--do I need to go on, or do you remember--caused the UN to draw up resolutions of compliance, and he WAS told if he DID NOT comply, then he risked military action to be imposed. If he had nothing to hide, he could have said, okay boys come on in, and the "invasion" you speak of would never have happened.
          It's amazing what a few years and a little political rhetoric can do to the truth.

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/23/2008 11:19:30 PM

            Hmmm, let me refresh my memory:

            Weapons of Mass Destruction:

            Nuclear - No
            Biological - No
            Chemical - Yes, oh wait, that was baby formula ... No

            Surrounding Countries that Need Protection:

            Iran - No
            Turkey - No
            Syria - No
            Saudi Arabia - No ... need to protect big oil ... Yes ... but most of the 9/11 terrorists came Saudi Arabia ... No, I mean, Yes, I mean ...
            Jordan - No
            Kuwait - Who cares

            Enforce UN Inspections

            Santions Authorized by UN - Yes
            Force Authorized by UN - No

            O.K., all done - sorry, you lose.

            • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 06/23/2008 11:37:29 PM

              Why do you not care about Kuwait?

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/24/2008 8:44:36 AM

                The US has cared about Kuwait. We have pprotected them. Remember during Desert Storm, our troops were protecting the country from Saddam Hussein, while the Kuwaiti elite young men were dancing in nightclubs.

              • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 2:16:48 AM

                Because they hate us more than the Iraqi's. Let's be honest, we never protected them because they are great people, it was all about the oil.

          • Posted By: WhenStarsTurnBlue @ 06/24/2008 4:33:21 AM

            The Chief UN Weapon Inspector, Hans Blitz, was one of the most vocal about saying he didn't believe Iraq had WMDs. It seems he'd know better than most what the situation on the ground was like there and what weapons Iraq had.

            Although I will agree Saddam was being really passive-aggressive with the inspections. He'd always try to take an inch and turn it into a mile. I don't think he believed America would actually use military force since he'd been doing it so many years.

          • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 06/23/2008 11:27:50 PM

            You are so very right!!! Also the way he treated the Kurds was just terrible, and that is now the part of the country where there is almost no trouble anymore!!!

            • Posted By: WhenStarsTurnBlue @ 06/24/2008 4:30:22 AM

              The Kurds in the North are doing pretty well now. That's part of the reason I'm afraid to pull troops out too soon, since some parts of the country have made such a recovery.

          • Posted By: Ezana @ 06/23/2008 10:59:40 PM

            Rhetoric indeed did you forget that he was rendered completely impotent by the combination of a blockade and sanctions?

      • Posted By: AmeriKhan Lobo @ 06/23/2008 10:01:53 PM

        Pure speculation or maybe just your wishful thinking. What yo should really say is that Iraq would be stable and our government would have billions of more dollars spent on the actual defense of our country. Osama Bin Laden probably would've been caught as well

    • Posted By: whala @ 06/23/2008 10:28:14 PM

      That's a little too early to tell. He may turn out to be the greatest.

      The good. He at least had the guts to do what his father, and Clinton wouldn't do--make Saddam live up to the expected standards or face the consequences. Doing this showed strength of leadership. The state of Iraq 50 years from now will determine if this was the right decision. Judging now is irresponsible.

      The bad. He was far too trusting of Rumsfeld's judgement in handling Iraq. If he had fired Rumsfeld as soon as the looting ran out of control, and replaced him with a strong leader who would take command, we would be much further down the road. Ever since Bush started taking heat from the other side of the isle, he has done little to try to re-establish a cooperative environment. He has done more to drive party polarity than to ease it.

      The indifferent. People tend to give way too much credit or blame to the President for the state of the Union. In reality, the POTUS has very little to do with any of that. That has much more to do with the effectivity of Congress than it does the President.

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/24/2008 12:51:48 AM

    Here in the USA, most of us want honesty advise: to rise above historical prejudices and above the political-mudfight gridlock that currently dominates our government. And our final-two candidates do too. But our ???mainstream??? media keep pulling us and our candidates down.

    It wasn???t just Hillary Clinton that Obama barely beat. His principal foe was the five-month flood of media promotion of racism-stimulating ???news??? -- those excerpts from Pastor Wright, endless reporting of polls and votes designed to divide us by race and gender and schooling, other appeals to our worst emotions, instincts, prejudices.

    In our election news, we want and need what you call for. We want to raise the focus to what the candidates say, and what they should be saying, about the serious issues ???- here and around the world, peace and safety, jobs and economic fairness, energy and preservation of environmental conditions of life on Planet Earth. But in our election ???news,??? most of what we???ve been getting from our ???mainstream??? media portends another six months of racism stimulation and other shallow partisan divisions and diversions. Interestingly,because it seems to me that "journalists" can be part some of the most elitist,authority-to-themselves characters.Perhaps thats the price of freedom speech of humanism pseudo.Question is,from where do they derive their gracious righteousness? Likely, it is from their own "conscience," which is hardly objective.
    Even the conservative christian evanlegical knows about the truth and honesty of Obama that come not through the Medias but deep down in their hearts,the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18 and 19). Take a look at Romans 1:22-32. Pretty sobering reading - if you are not too self-important and arrogant to think you've already got it all figured out and don't need the input of the Ancient of Days. Don't guess they teach Proverbs 1:7 at those Ivy League schools.

    • Posted By: Rametyn @ 06/24/2008 1:49:56 AM

      Jack, you like to refer to relegion, so I thought I would throw this out.

      In Revelations, the anti-christ is described as a charismatic, inspiring, silver-tongued devil who will bring all people into his fold, promise them peace and prosperity, and hope--right before he pits nation against nation with a descent into despair that will mark the end of all times.

      So ... careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 11:33:43 AM

        Please please just stop! The bible is a censored book written by MEN who did not know what lightening was. Your argument only workds with the Christian Reich and the Church Nazis.

        SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Why do people seem to always forget about this?

      • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 1:57:22 AM

        and his name is George Bush

        • Posted By: Iamnotamused @ 06/24/2008 11:03:33 AM

          and his right hand man McCain

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/24/2008 9:24:47 AM

    The problem with a 72 year old brain is that it remembers clearly a lot about the past, the further back the event, the clearer the memory. But, the short term memory is rapidly declining in the 72 year old brain. Other functions parallel to memory are also impaired and deteriorating as each day passes. This is what makes "experience" sufficient to run a 300 million person country, along with the gigantic budget that it generates, highly questionable in the geriatric Republican candidate. What you can do with a supersonic jet in your younger days is one thing. You can crash quickly doing the same thing at supersonic speed at age 72. Not to say that you need to be able to fly a supersonic jet well to be president, but instead to say that you are not looking at a fighter pilot, You are looking at a very old former fighter pilot whose experience is somewhat frozen in there where things get decided, and in a predictable decline, possibly rapid. Why take a chance? Good luck America. Vote smart.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/24/2008 11:14:03 AM

      I pray that people do vote wisely....gets scarier by the minute reading the postings from overnight... Mark

  • Posted By: pramono @ 06/24/2008 5:07:27 AM

    Obama is a Marxist Jew hater and a foreign policy disaster. He set for 20 years in the pews and listened to reverend Wright and Farrakhan, is a friend of terrorists and wants to help Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas destroy the West and Israel.
    Obama is a dangerous and risky combination:
    He combines the worst of Presidents Bush AND Carter.

    Remember Bush slogan "I am a Uniter not a Divider", a candidate full of hot air, without any history who promises a lot, and once elected delivers a disaster. At least through his actions has frightened the Arab extremists and prevented a repeat of 9/11.

    Carter is the worst president that the USA ever had. He brought us an inflation rate of 20% due to his dumb economic policies, he created Iran as we know it today, controlled by the ayatollahs, he made sure that there is no peace between Israel and the Palestinians, he reduced our Military power to zero (we needed President Reagan to reverse Carters stupid icuts and naction), see who are Obama foreign policy advisors most of them are the same failures who served during the Carter administration...

    Obama brings a combination of the two; he is full of hot air, chants like a Parrot ???Change??? and is expected to be a total disaster.
    Obama was a disaster in every place he served as a community organizer, look at his neighborhoods in Chicago, according to his own writings: The Crime rate went up, the murder rate went up, drug use went up, the out of wedlock birthrate went up, the abortion rate went up, prostitution went up, educational achievements went down, welfare rate went up, this is what he wants to deliver to the rest of the USA.

    Vote for McCain if you want your children to sleep safely at night.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/24/2008 11:29:08 AM

      You keep reposting this same comment over and over again Why? Nothing of real substance to share. Too bad.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/24/2008 11:08:21 AM

      Oh no, not this idiot again. For all you bloggers who are new - get ready - because you're going to see this moronic post over, and over, and over again.

      Someone should really disable parmono's cut and paste key.

    • Posted By: metzlerd @ 06/24/2008 9:06:45 AM

      Just to clarify, you voted for Bush, so why complain about him? You don't really know squat about Obama as you clearly get your information from FOX (make something up) News, and that explains why you parrot lies about him, but it doesn't explain why you can't get the other facts right. (All you had to have done was be there.)

      Carter did not cause the problems you talked about. He may not have dealt correctly with them, but the cause of Iran was CIA meddling back in the 50's long before Carter was in office. In fact it was more bungled foreign policy by a Republican (Eisenhower) leaving the Iran mess that we are still dealing with today.

      The cause of the double digit inflation that had been going on for a number of years before Carter was elected, while not something that he cleaned up, was certainly NOT caused by him. Again you'd need to go back to the President in office at the time, and here again it was a Republican.

      In terms of who fixed it, arguably that was Paul Volcker chairman of the FED under both Carter and Reagan that finally brought inflation under control; not Reagan. Reagan was able to bring the Cold War to a close, but economics was not his strong suit. His Reaganomics or trickle down economics as it was also known was found to basically increase profits for large corporations with no real trickle down affect at all.

    • Posted By: jjaffie @ 06/24/2008 8:32:21 AM

      Vote for McCain if you want a president who forgets what he said yesterday. He will spend more time puttering around looking for his lost teeth than he will solving America's problems. He doesn't even know who the enemies are in Iraq, how is he going to win that war- a war that never should have been waged? How will he capture bin Laden if he's too busy invading Iran? With the new oil contracts in Iraq McCain will then have an excuse to fill the bellies of his oil & defense buddies and be in Iraq indefinitely.

      For someone who self admittedly does not know a whole lot about the economy just a few short months ago, he seems awfully cocksure of himself. Of course his advisor on economic policy works for one of the culprits in the subprime mess. What gaps are left will be filled in by the Oil companies.

      Did everyone miss McCain's flip on offshore drilling? He changed his tune on that in front of an oil-crowd in Houston. He says he is a Maverick & is not Bush part III yet he wants all the same things as Bush & voted with Bush 95% of the time.

      Those companies outsourcing jobs to India & China will continue to get tax breaks under McCain. Meanwhile it becomes harder for the working classes of America to make ends meet as the job market tightens and salaries decline for everyone except corporate executives that just happen to be the main beneficiaries of McCain/Bush tax cuts.

      McCain was almost Kerry's runningmate in 04. Talk about a turncoat when it's convenient. Just like when he gets back from his POW experience. He cheats on his wife & kids before leaving them for a blonde worth $100 million who he then proceeds to abuse and cheat on. Great moral fiber there.

      And you think you kids will be safer. GOP SCARE TACTICS '08

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