Zimbabwe's dictator wants to die in office, and is apparently more than willing to let opponents perish in the fulfillment of that wish. A report from inside a menacing capital.
Comment: Pbpace.......You are right.... that was clear postulation, because at the time all Uganda had was tobacco... i apologize for that guys
Comment: I noticed that some of the people here can't see beyond their noses. They just jump on the bandwagon with a biased individual and cook up evidence of their experiences with other races.... GET A LIFE!!!
Robert Mugabe is one of many african leaders that has wronged his people; maimed, murdered, starved and violated their rights.. there was a dictator in a country named Nigeria years ago that did not work too well with the United States(name:Sani Abacha). note that nigeria is an oil rich country... Anyway, he died mysteriously in his sleep. After his death, the U.S and nigeria had a great relationship.....
There was another dictator by the name Idi Amin who had a problem with the West as a whole..... Guess what? the U.S and GBR played a major role in making sure that he went into exile..... point.
There is one thing these two countries have in common.... They have oil..........
Truth: If African leaders intervene, Mugabe will be dethroned ASAP. it is not the U.S' responsibility to overthrow any government, so all of you making noise should relax and shut up!... We have no reason to go to Zimbabwe.... they have no oil for us, and they have no gold for us.... in short, it will be a bad investment. lol
the Racists and Clowns on here should take a cue and learn from Barney....
Comment: Sorry but Uganda (Idi Amin) has no oil.
Can't for sure who/what killed Abacha, I'm sure there were plenty of Nigerians capable of getting rid of him as well as the US or UK.
Comment: Yes they do.
www.afrol.com/articles/21834 - 23k
Comment: Correct...but from everything I've read Amin fled several years before the initial Ugandan discoveries. Are you postulating the West had a 'Heads up' about the country's oil prospects prior to his departure?
Comment: i appreciate your refernce to the ndebele massacre and nkomo; politics hardly excuse mugabe's genocide which resulted in his political rival with power going into exile and the demise of zapu and the creation of a one party system; and he is a hero? it worked then, why not now with a helping from south africa? this is also a blot on the south african government!
Comment: Thabo Mbeki is unquestionably a willing accomplice and enabler of some of Mugabe's darkest deeds. The irony is that the worse it gets the more refugees from Zimbabwe will seek safety in an already heavily-burdened South Africa. The traitor Mbeki must be punished for his duplicity and overall complicity in the Zimbabwe crisis.
Comment: ...I am honestly amazed at how quickly this entire strand of comments moved from Zimbabwe's crisis to a heated debate over racism. Race has nothing to do with the terrible crimes that are being committed in Zimbabwe, and I'm a little disheartened that someone would try to make trailor parks and murders in Michigan be some kind of justification for letting a "LEADER" of a country kill everyone who tries to campaign against him! I'm from the south, many of my family members live in TN ( big cotton state for those who may not know). WE have black people here who cause trouble, we have ALOT of mexicans here who steal and stare at every woman to the point you feel like you are being undressed. But we also have alot of white people here who cause trouble, or steal, or stare at women.Yes, I do have a problem with black people who act like everyone owes them something or those who gang up and try to intimidate everyone, and I do have a problem with Spanish speaking immigrants who in no way try to learn english, but expect english speaking people to know exactly what they want at all times! BUT.... despite all of that I know that..THE PROBLEM IN ZIMBABWE IS NOT RACIAL! IT IS ONE EVIL MAN TRYING TO RULE A SCARED AND OBVIOUSLY ABANDONDED PEOPLE.
Comment: Lot of judgement on this thread. I'm finding it happens a lot in American political discussions.
We all think we have the right to judge, not just describe...
Comment: by the way you idiot... not every Hispanic person is Mexican.... Now we know you are a Racist... you bastard
You will encounter a good person one day, and God will make you an advocate of good deeds. you dummy
Comment: The immigrants we have here are Mexican, so until you have lived here go *** yourself!
Comment: Tn huh? lol You can never see me in that state my brova... i will be here making money off the crude oil while you pay full retail ($4.10) with your 20 dollar and hour job.... and i have enough money to invite your mom for dinner in my manhattan condo... and me go *** myself? no way.. i will do your mom instead
Comment: haha way to pay attention I said that many of my family members live in TN..that doesn't include me and I don't pay $4.10 for gas. And judging by your personality on here...you are probably the only person you get to ***! My mother is 60 years old..so ah..if you want to try and get with her go ahead..have fun.
Comment: I will. thanks for your consent.
Comment: Any time hun, anytime!
Comment: Comment: Harris2208.... since you want to talk about Zimbabwean politics, lets talk... I was pissed when you made the comment about Race. with that said, i will proceed to say that it might not be as bad as the news is portraying it. i concede the fact the Mugabe is a bad leader, however, he is not untouchable. all it takes is intervention by the African continent as a whole. They have a whole lot of billionaires in africa, but i guess they have not seen a profitable reason to go to war with Mugabe and effect change in Zimbabwe.
Comment: Total contradiction in your comment.....you started off alright, but deviated later...... you are not even worth responding to
Comment: Then why did you respong?
Comment: i just let you know what i thought about what you said.... if you made any sense at all, then i would have contributed a paragraph or so... nonetheless, i think you are an obtuse individual, and have a really low intelligence quotient, and you should refrain from contributing to forums and discussions when you know fully well that your brain is incapable... short bus rider. lol
Comment: Does it make you feel more intelligent to try and put down other individuals? Personally, I respected what you said in many of your comments, however, now I find you vein and offensive. I believe that you are a narcissistic ass hole.
Comment: Harris2208.... since you want to talk about Zimbabwean politics, lets talk... I was pissed when you made the comment about Race. with that said, i will proceed to say that it might not be as bad as the news is portraying it. i concede the fact the Mugabe is a bad leader, however, he is not untouchable. all it takes is intervention by the African continent as a whole. They have a whole lot of billionaires in africa, but i guess they have not seen a profitable reason to go to war with Mugabe and effect change in Zimbabwe.
Comment: I was not trying to be racial in any way, I was trying to get throught to bruce that YES there are racial issues here in America, but you have to look past America and look at other countries, the events taking place in Zimbabwe are not racial. I will say I don't know alot about Zimbabwe, or any other parts of Africa. What I do know is that this is not a fight the U.S. needs to get involved in. We have enough going on. I agree, this is up to Africa, and I also agree that the news could very well be over exagorating the entire situation.
Now, was it so hard to be mature about the situation, instead of using insults and demeaning language?
Comment: lol.. you actually had me smiling at the last line(your question) and the answer is no.... so i apologize for my unscrupulous behavior.
Comment: lol It's okay, I'm sorry if I offended you in any way with my post.
by the way...my mom is happily married..I really don't suggest you go for her...I don't think she would like manhattan anyway. ; )
Comment: lol...
Comment: Thank You luga982. It is a powerful thing when great minds from various backgrounds and circumstances can come together and share in truth. I celebrate you Sir! May we all continue the "Good Fight" for Right & Fairness....
Comment: Normally, I do not respond in these type of forums. But the comment posted by bruce1921Mi intrigues me. In as much as I find his comment immensely offensive, and one of great ignorance, I can not help but also at the same time take great comfort in knowing that many of the very luxuries and inventions that he, as well as the rest of us that make up modern civilization, enjoy and take for granted was created by members of the black race. So I would simply exhort and challenge Mr. Bruce to reconsider his take of the evolutionary ladder the next time he stops at a traffic light. Or the next time he hear of someone needing heart surgeory...or the next time he wears a cotton shirt... that he owes a debt of gratitiude to the very race that he has so dengrated today. In reference to our diversity and contributions to society, let us learn to celebrate one another, rather than tolerate each other. Life would be a whole lot sweeter.....
Comment: Although your motives are pure I must respectively disagree with many of your invention assertions. It does not detract from your heartfelt sentiments. I feet it's important, however, not to propagate historical inaccuracies. Garrett Morgan's traffic light was not among the first fifty patented traffic signals. It was not "automatic" as is sometimes claimed, nor did it play any part in the evolution of the modern traffic light. Nevertheless, a clever invention that earned him a patent.
As for the heart surgery claim, Dr. Daniel Williams, repaired the sac around the heart and not the actual muscle. He was not the first physician to do this particular procedure. The first successful operation on the muscle itself ws performed 3 years subsequent in 1896 by a German physician. Again, a fine physician by all historical accounts. Your comment that we would not be enjoying these things without AA contributions is incorrect.
Comment: barney, dont even worry about Bruce..... he is probably a kid... lol everyone have a nice one
Comment: luga982..
Capitalism has nothing to do with it. This is a much deeper rooted problem. It's about a certain section of society wishing to force another section of society to take the blame for their failures. No one forces a neighborhood to collectively turn it's head as drugs, gangs, etc. start to inflitrate. No one forces that group of citizens that live in said neigherhood to do nothing and then complain about it.. Nor does the fact that some white guy owned slaves 150 years ago have anything to do with the ills of modern american society. Just as Egypt is not to blame for Isreals problems just because they enslaved the Isrealites at one point it time.
If we wish to change our society we must start with ourselves. That starts with each person acknowledging that they themselves are soley responsible for what they make of their lives. Stay in school, study hard, get a college education and get a good job. And don't tell me it can't be done. My step father was black and he did it just fine even though he came from a dirt poor family in the projects. I dropped out of college worked my tail off at dead end jobs and finally got smart, got student loans and finished college. So it can be done. Also why do we have to refer to people as blank-American? If a person doesn't hold dual citizenship then they are not blank-american. Only american. If all races are to be truly equal then all races need to work together to eliminate race as a consideration. There is nothing wrong with knowing, understanding and being proud of your heritage. But if you are going to call your self an, lets say African-American, then you put yourself in a situation that forces race to become an issue. If you only call yourself an american then race is no longer an issue. If we can achieve this then we can eliminate many of the race issues. But of course that calls for an open mind and willingness to change. Something I notice that most people don't have or want. It's much easier to blame the whites who owned slaves, or Capitalism, or the system, or whaterver....
As the blues singer Anothny Gomes noted in a song. The irony truly is strange that your the only one you can change.
Comment: Dude, Today, You have gained my Respect..... I respect you man... Hopefully we will work together to educate some people in our lifetime. have a good one brother... i dont know where you are from, but i am sure that you get a lot of respect for fairness..... keep it up.
Comment: Totugga55....
Sorry, but I didn't take anything from anyone and I suspect neither did you. Yes white people here in America did own slaves, most black but not exclusively. Many white people were also "owned" as indentured slaves. Further blacks have been enslaving blacks in Africa for as long as there have been people there. Just as most of mankind has since the beginning of time.
As for the culture, influence, etc. Most rap artists are black, they exploit the situation of the less fortunate neighborhoods where most of them grew up to get rich, but then do nothing to help change the situation. Yet you would blame me as a white person for this
Comment: A lot of rap artists go back to their hometowns and spread a lot more money around than you think. The forces underlying the poverty in those areas are deeper and far more rooted than rap music is. As The Game put it, "I can show n***** my fortunes but can't get them to think rich."
There are plenty of celebrities of all races that do charity work, and plenty that are self-obsessed snobs. Your attachment of race to it holds absolutely no water.
Comment: Dakotahkidd.... the word you are looking for is called Capitalism.......... look it up
Comment: no one is blaming you.... and as far as Rap music goes, studies have shown that the target market of Rap music is caucasian kids in the suburbs. your sarcasm is unnecessary because i listen to other genres of music. the only reason why i attacked you was because of your Superior word.. there is no superior race.... why? because a Man is a Man regardless of race, and a woman is a woman(same applies).. we make mistakes alike, and we prosper alike... the only difference is environment... have a great day
Comment: bruce1921M1
That is because by american law two people can not be charged for one crime, and as long there is any doubt as to which one delt the killing blow they can not be found guilty. That is why an identical twin will not be found guilty of a crime, because even DNA tests can't prove which of the two is guilty. So therefor they will never know for sure which twin is responsible.
Just because someone is a different colour doesn't make them more violent, smarter, or any other racist steriotype. Yes, different cultures instills different values in people but skin tone doesn't. You have no idea what the people of Africa go through every day. You probaly have never gone days without food, and lived in constant fear. You might think you have but the worst life in the US is better than their best. My best friend was born in Hati, was adopted into Canada, and she has more class then most white girls. She is one of the most recognized people in my town, you say her name and everyone has something nice to say about her. You should think about how different your life would be if from the time you were a child society told you you were useless, stupid, ect. You would be no different, you are complaining about something you helped create. Instead of being a jack ass, you should do something to help. Children are like fish, they will grow as big as their tank will allow. If kept in an enviroment of hate, and abuse their minds won't grow very big, but if surrounded by love and equality they too could/can change the world. You need to put your nasty words aside and help show "how better you are" by making a difference. For a race that is "superior" you would think we would be able to control ourselfs better, be able to help instead of creating more problems. Name a problem that the African American community has, guess what we got that too! Murder, drugs, abuse, gangs, all also afflict white people. Even in area's where we are the majority. Yes it's not as prevalent but then in general our living conditions are better. You might think "they" passed that to us, but if we are so much better why would we fall for that. Maybe its because we are as weak and messed up as everyone else. We clawed and beat our way to the top and now some of us feel it appropreat to point and laugh at those we devalued in the process. We pushed them down and now we need to prove our humanity and help them reclaim what we stole from them.
Comment: Shut up Tortuga55, you are an old hag..... get the hell out of here and go eat some faeces... by the way, the comment below was meant for you.
Comment: Dude, what did you steal from Africa? i dont think you have ever been there. i have been to Africa a bunch of times, and i love it... amidst all the poverty there is wealth, amidst all the negative portrayal of africa, there is development, and amidst every dummy like you, there is a highly intellectual person...
You should start your expression by learning how to spell this word.... take a cue it is S T E R E O T Y P E!
and when you intend to say etcetera, ensure that you write down "ETC" as opposed to ect you f**ing idiot.
To the reasonable people on here, if you can name one black,white,asian,hispanic friend out of all your friends from other etnic groups, then you may be either anti-social or ultimately prejudice... mind you i refrained from the "R" word....
Finally, if Mr Idiot here understood history, then you will know that the 70's is what brought about the imbalance in the U.S as far as broken homes and such..... drugs drugs drugs! back in the 70's after war vets came back from vietnam, they were still in shock and turned to drugs; black and white alike...
Now tell me Mr Idiot(big bruce) are you God to judge all these people collectively? or are you just a F**ing broke punk who has nothing but time on his hands? be fair with your statements, and life will be fair to you...
You sound like a classic example of a kid who saw his mom on drugs and blame it on the blacks...
F **ing IDIOT
Comment: Mrs Thompson, i applaud you for your sincere unbiased views as expressed below... Bruce is obviously a kid who does not understand the basic foundation behind the violation of human rights...... I strongly believe that anyone that dares to take lives should be punished; period. on the other hand, if anyone gets on the internet hiding behing the four walls of their house fails to respect other peoples race by making idiotic comments(big bruce the big idiot), you should also be punished.
Point: Mugabe is a corrupt leader, a coward and evidently a cold blooded murderer. the ideal thing to do will be to send troops from Nigeria and South Africa to solve Zimbabwe's problems.. Those troops are deadly, and will devour Mugabe in a heartbeat... all they want to hear is "GO". we have seen them do it during the Ecomog war, so we know that they can do it again and bring peace to the innocent and poor in Mugabe.
evidently, Mugabe has violated human rights in the worst way, and should be handed over to the high court in Zimbabwe after being captured.... all it takes is for the African Gods... South Africa and Nigeria to invervene.
back to Mr idiot. If you cannot learn to curb your emotions as a man, then you should not post comments
Comment: South Africa is an important ally of Mugabe. Both regimes possess a Marxist/anti-Western ruling class. Hence, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell they'd send troops on behalf of the MDC or Zimbabwean citizenry. In fact, many, not all, South Africans are preying upon the defenseless Zimbabwean as they pour over the border. As for the ECOMOG forces, they're nonstanding and poorly equiped http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/country_profiles/2364029.stm.
Regarding Bruce, I agree that his 'N' word insult was childish and uncalled for. The First Amendment makes no distinction, however, between stupid speech and normal speech...that's something a lot of Liberals AND Conservatives fail to comprehend.
Comment: YOU ARE A GOOD MAN.....
Comment: I guess ignorance really is bliss hunh bruce1921M1. Let's not even get started on the countless injustices committed by white people against black people. Sean Bell, killed in a hail of unjustified gunfire, all ACQUITTED. Oh, and war zones you say? I have you visited your local trailer park my dear? If you really want to get into a debate about what blacks and whites are capable of and aren't, do your homework first. Ghettos don't know color lines, nor does poverty, injustice, crime or anything else that ails us as human beings. I can easily say the folks going into work shooting up the place, blowing up buildings in the name of the USA, or men who kill their wives and infant children IS A WHITE THING, but I won't because history has given us plenty of examples where such ignorant, inflammatory and narrow minded comments have no bearing.
Comment: To mrs. thompsonII I don't know what world you live in. I hope you get to experience the real world soon but not as devastatinly as so many other good people have had to experience since the bleeding hearts like yourself eg. a flying cochroach is not a bird just because it can assimilate fliight. I wasn't always rascist, this is more like conditioning. It took 56 years of life to realize there is a major difference between the races. I agree there are exceptions to the rule. The majority are decent people but like I said it is more than just a few incidences. The majority of crines considering there minority status is overwhelming. I wish it wasn't so but it is. There excepted culture is very different. Also The white kids today are dumming down, becoming more open to black influence. eg. the filthy rap that gets called art. Give me a break.
Comment: Yea I forgot the trailer parks. They the blacks are ruining the trailer parks too!! In warren Mich. there were nice trailer parks, with law abidding citizens, senior citizens and young people that found it cheaper than trying to afford a big mortgage etc. not anymore, now you have a influx of blacks moving to the suburbs. yes there are trailer parks in the suburbs. But yes there are crimes that seem to be more white oriented. They are bad, horrendous, but they aren't the lifestyle of most whites. Can you honestly say when you watch the news at night you aren't going to see the majority of crimes commited by Blacks?? Car chases, murders, robberies etc.
Comment: Screw those negroes! It's a black thing! After watching the news again last night, I don't care anymore! Two black girls just got away with murdering a white girl in her early twenties, found not guilty by a black jury in Detroit Mich. They walked, dragged into the woods at "Belle Isle" a park in detroit, and robbed her of her jewelry, then pushed her face in the mud until she stopped breathing. This was not disputed by either black girl. The only thing that was disputed was who was responsible for her death. They both blamed the other. So neither one goes to prison for Murder? Found not guilty by a black jury. This is justice?
Comment: Screw those negroes? Are you kidding me! You're upset because a white girl was killed for no reason by two black girls? You should be upset, but don't come off as if you are all of a sudden concerned with justice. Where was your rage when Emmitt Teal was savagely beaten and burned for looking in the direction of a white woman? Where was you rage when blacks were routinely hung for being black? Where was your rage when Rodney King was beaten unmercifully by rouge cops ? Pleae spare me your rage now.
Comment: When was emmett teal killed? This girl is just another in a series. What about the two white college girls just recently killed, (in two seperate states) less than a day apart! Also the white college girl killed last year (just recently solved) at Michigan state university. In her dorm room. I haven't heard of any blacks hung by whites since when? On the contrary Society says it is OK for white girls to become "my baby's momma" It is even a saying amoungst the blacks "she fell for the Okey doke" It is also accepted society to go from "don't ask don't tell" to homosexuality and lesbianism to be accepted as a preferable lifestyle. You can't have a manger on a courthouse lawn or have the ten commandments In the courthouse. but america isn't headed for ruin with our new morals. Why don't blacks accept white morals? why is it OK for white kids to be taught that its ok for them to dum down there morals. Call women Ho's and *** is OK. Its ART, not vile or filthy" Oh by the way it wasn't some hip new way to say Whore, It is hard for them to pronounce Whore, so it comes out Hoe. eg. clo9se the doh, the water ends at the show, not shore!
Comment: What about the intense legacy of poverty and discrimination that African-Americans have suffered - usually at the hands of Caucasians - that increase the desperation and tendencies of those in the ghetto to want to escape the pain, hatred, and suffering by any means? What about lynchings, black men burned alive? What about the still-extant legacy of slavery? What about the noose that was hung in Jena last year? What about the discrimination that's still perpetuated every day by major media personalities like Bill O' Reilly who claimed that he "ate in a very nice restaurant that was very clean even though it was run by Blacks"?
And no, you can't have the Ten Commandments in a courthouse. The First Amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an institution of religion." This was not an accident. In America, the Constitution supersedes your church, on purpose, no matter how much you might rail against it. Though it doesn't seem you've absorbed any of its messages of tolerance anyway.
Comment: You've fallen into a rhetorical cul-de-sac my friend. Every time you mention a white on black hate crime someone else can fire back about a black on white crime. It's a logical dead end that's self defeating. What's your point? As for O'Reilly...I'm not a fan but you need to do your research and read the context of his comment http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-09-25-oreilly-restaurant_N.htm Were his words poorly chosen? ...yes. Is he "perpetuating discrimination"..no.
You left out the clause following "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Namely..."or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". What does this mean?? Intelligent people can argue but please quote passages fully and in context. This is no "slam dunk". Finally, the ten commandments are on display at the Supreme Court...however in a secular context.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp
Comment: If you've caught any of my responses to other news story threads, you'll be well aware that I've quoted the Establishment clause in its entirety on at least two occasions. I apologize for leaving out part of it here, and I apologize for paraphrasing in general - the truer response would have been "While the Ten Commandments may be physically present in a courthouse or may appear as evidence in a trial, they may not become an influencing factor a priori to the specifics of the case, nor can any other religious belief or dogma become a factor in judging a case other than as it may relate to specifics of the case being discussed."
As far as Bill O' Reilly goes, I'm well aware of the context of his comments, and to me it doesn't seem that it makes them any less racist or discriminatory. His remarks in and of themselves contained an implication that most restaurants run by African-Americans would not be clean or well-run, and I believe that if you're arguing that this is a rational point of view, *you're* attempting to bring in a larger context that this is true that I'd demand you justify.
Finally, I see a wide road stretching ahead rather than your hypothetical cul-de-sac. Pull up some statistics on black-on-white crime if you want to convince me that it's all equivalent. There's more black-on-BLACK crime than there is black-on-white crime, at least last time I checked. And at least in this country, there's one group that was enslaved, and one that wasn't. Pulling up a few black-on-white violent crimes hardly changes that.
Comment: Religion/Ten Commandments - thanks for recognizing the Establishment Clause in its entirety. Again my point was people like Judge Moore got into trouble for presenting the Ten Commandments as a religious display and not in the secular context we see at the US Supreme Court.
O'Reilly - let me state this once again. I am know O'Reilly fan. To ascribe some sinister racial motive to his words is your right. Please take note that I am not arguing whether his spoken words were rational. I said his words were extremely poorly chosen. Please read my post. What you BELIEVE, INFER, IMAGINE or CONJECTURE is your perogative. You can "demand" whatever you want and no answer will come from me. Why??..we're arguing a subjective - not objective - topic. There are not absolute right or wrong answers here. You argue your opinion respectively and cogently and I'll do the same. After our mutual sarcasm party we can hopefully agree to disagree.
Black/White White/Black crime - I agree that Black/black crime is much more prevelant than black/white or white/black crime. I wasn't aware I was arguing that point...if I were, please highlight and I'll retract. I stand by original statement. I agree that Blacks have been mistreated and abused in the good ol' US of A. By entering into the argument in this manner (i.e., the litany of injustices suffered by Blacks at white hands) , however, you allow people like Bruce to hit back with their own retorts of black on white mistreatment. Please read Bruce's thread and then read your response. It seems a game of one-upmanship that is endless. I'm not saying your point of view is invalid.
Comment: Sorry about the typo...I am NO O'Reilly fan... not ..I am KNOW O'Reilly fan.
Comment: Screw those negroes? Are you kidding me? You're upset because a white girl was killed? You should be, but don't come off as if you're all of sudden concerned about justice. Where was your rage when Emmit Teal was beaten and burned by white men? Where was your rage when black men were taken from their families and hung? Where was your rage when Rodney King was beaten by rouge cops? Now you're concened aobut justice? Please! Your rage is unacceptable.
Comment: This is 2008 not the 1950's This the United states of america (where you can be anything you want to be, if you go to school or even try) slavery is over, blacks have the same oppurtunity as anyone else (if not more) When are people going to hold everyone to the same standards? I don't think someone who was born in the usa should not learn the language. Ebonics? You don't have to learn and speak a recocnizable language. We'll just call it ebonics (monkey english) You can graduate highschool and not even learn the language. Also both of those girls that walked her into the woods were guilty BOTH! I know how I sounded COLD I feel for those people being murdered but I don't thinki the usa needs to get into another conflict. We are still in Iraq for over 7 years now. Fix america first.
Comment: Screw those negroes? Are you kidding me! You're upset because a white girl was killed. Please spare me with your sudden concern for justice. Where was your rage when Emmit Teal was savagely beaten and burned by white men? Where was your rage when black men were routinely snatched from their families and hung? Where was your rage then? So don't allow your rage to spew from you as if you feel justice was not served because two black girls got off. White people have always gotten off when they commit crimes against blacks. Your rage is unacceptable.
Comment: Screw those negroes? Are you kidding me! You're upset because a white girl was killed for no reason by two black girls? You should be upset, but don't come off as if you are all of a sudden concerned with justice. Where was your rage when Emmitt Teal was savagely beaten and burned for looking in the direction of a white woman? Where was you rage when blacks were routinely hung for being black? Where was your rage when Rodney King was beaten unmercifully by rouge cops ? Pleae spare me your rage now.
Comment: We got your point after the first three comments. No need to cut and paste anymore ...changing a word or phrase here and there. He's just yanking your chain trying to get you agitated. Please ....and it's ROGUE cops not rouge cops....their fellow officers would have called them sissies. Alas, I would have hoped we as a society would have gotten over this 'You did it to me so I'm going to do it to you philosophy'.
Comment: I am not the one repeating myself! That is the people that are replying or the comment page layout, the way it was programmed.
Comment: I understand. I was referring to revbuggie above...not you.
Comment: For years Mugabe's supporters have argued that he be president for life. The opposition argues that he should leave power immediately. I've argued that he could make everyone happy if he'd just drop dead.
Now he says only God can remove him from office. Maybe it will take my solution, God willing.
Comment: Africa always seems like an incredible waste of money b/c no matter how much people send over or spend on specific funding; nothing is ever achieved and the people continue to suffer under the many dictatorships/regimes that are in power.
We've already wasted enough money in Iraq, let the EU handle this one.
Comment: If Mugabe wants to die in office, someone should step up and help him out.
Comment: Let themselve do a complete thorough, ultimate and final ethnic-racial cleansing and finish off all these centuries long problem this continent has experienced from the begining of time.
But please do ot let these creature migrate to other countries, in other continents.
Money, efforts, resources spent by thevarious UN and international organizations on these folks, are a waste and coud be well spent on other needy people who can appreciate it.
Johnnie
Comment: SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD APPROVE OF HITLER TOO.
Comment: The British are doing their best to destabalize Zimbabwe in order to put a stooge in office so they can once again loot the natural resources of that country.
When Mugabee returned the white owned farms that had been stolen from the people of Zimbabwe, to the people of Zimbabwe for the benefit of Zimbabwe's that enraged the Brutish imperialists who have looted and oppressed Africa for more than a century. Zimbabwe is no longer Rhodesia.
The apparent government death squads are likely British agents de-stabalizing the nation in order to return it to British rule. Save Zimbabwee or your nation will probably be the next to fall.
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Comment: The British are doing absolutely nothing. There are no natural resources in Zimbabwe that they want, unless you count cheap fruit and veg... which they can just as easily import from somewhere else.
The politicians out here in the UK simply do not give a sh*t, and not wishing to put too fine a point on it, but the general consensus is that they're black, we're white, and unlike Kosovo where we were going to the rescue of another 'white' nation... if the UK were to go into Zimbabwe they would be seen as doing an Imperialist revival. You have NO idea how rampant political correctness is out here. They will turn their backs on their fellow humans rather than take the risk of being seen as 'racist imperials'.
And besides, with no significant resources (read: oil) the British - like the US - see no reason to step in and risk the 'Imperialist racist' tag... the politicians out here use that as just one more justification for leaving Zimbabwe and South Africa to sort themselves out. (if Zimbabwe had oil... they might consider it)
Comment: What about all the whites that gave up their property here in the united states to the blacks that are just as good as the whites! NOT!! eg, Look at Detroit and all the other big cities that look like war zones! The blacks reaally have shown me that they can do a much better job at governing when given the chance, NOT!!
Comment: YOU MUST BE ONE OF MUGABE'S FRIENDS THAT GOT A FREE FARM
Comment: As well as free dandelions and tioletpaper.
Comment: Mr. Mugabe SHOULD die in office...... and VERY SOON! Maybe someone can help him along with that.
Comment: This is not a black and white thing. I am a so-called white and have many black friends (even though I hate using such arbitrary and racist categories)in and outside Zimbabwe. Many of them are very capable to rule Zimbabwe but do not get a chance because of this monster created by both East and West. The East traine d Mugabe in communist ideology and means of oppression and manipulation. The West taught Mugabe in the early 1980s that as long as Western interests are not affected Africans are free to murder one another as he consequently did in the grossly underestimated Matabele land genocide. No wonder Mugabe listens to no body, he is our own creation, indeed the Frankenstein analogy is appealing.
Comment: Larouchepac - what Kool aid are you drinking? That is ABSURD!
George Washington, who had more substance and character in his pinky finger than would 1000 Robert Mugabes, led the United States in its revolution against your hated ???British Empire???. He flatly rejected the notion of being named king or monarch, instead opting to serve two terms as our first president. What did he do after his two terms (fair elections I might add) He returned to Mount Vernon and lived out his remaining days.
Mugabe is a miserable human who inherited a jewel and turned it into a wasteland.
Comment: The Brutish Empire needs to butt out of Zimbabwee's internal affairs.
Mugabee led the war of independence against the Brutish, and won. Now he's facing tremendous economic pressure, and dirty tricks to subvert his nations independence.
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Comment: Newsflash idiot: It's been 20 years since Mugabe's "victory". I'm sure the British would have sorted him out long before now if that was their intention.
By the way, Mugabe was not the only African leader to oust the British, so why does he think he is special to merit the extra attention. Perhaps it is because he is a homicidal egomaniac who cannot fathom letting go of power in Zim to which he seems to feel is owed to him. Grow up, Zim is more than one man and his goons. It was there before him and will be there long after this vulture is gone.
Comment: How much do you Mugabe stooges get paid these days to plant falsified stories on the net....??
Comment: The brothers and i get paid in dandelions and toilet paper.
The dandelions are made into a soup, good for osteoarthritis.
The toilet paper... well i heard its better than thatch.
Comment: EVERYONE THAT THINKS WE WENT INTO IRAQ TO GET CHEAP OIL MUST BE LIVING ON ANOTHER PLANET. IF WE ADDED UP THE COST AND DIVIDED BY THE AMOUNT OF OIL WE GOT THERE (THAT WE STILL PAID FULL PRICE FOR), IT PROBABLY HAS COST US TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER BARREL. WE WENT AFTER SADDAM HUSSEIM BECAUSE HE WAS A BRUTAL DICTATOR AND FEARED (RIGHT OR WRONG) THAT HE WAS DEVELOPING WMD'S. EVEN HE ADMITTED HE MISLED THE WORLD ABOUT THEM. DON'T BE HYPOCRITES AND KEEP BEATING UP ON NOBLE AMERICAN EFFORTS AND THEN EXPECT US TO TRY AGAIN.
Comment: Thank you, It's good to know that there ARE other people who aren't just ready to bash Bush and all of America.
Comment: It is on South Africa and other members of SADC to go in and I have heard from their own mouths that they do not feel it is necessary and if the election was held a second time they would support who ever won, believing the results would be fair. I don't feel that the US needs to step in, especially physically. Leaders in Africa need to learn to deal with these situations so they can rely on each other and their people. Time to do the right thing for all of Africa.
Comment: An analogy if I may. Your house is burning with you and your children inside. You're trying to get out but your spouse who's standing outside does nothing to help. Neither do your next-door neighbours. Should I who lives 3 blocks away just let your family burn because after all, the folks closest to you and know you best are not helping?
Comment: THAT APPROACH WORKED REALLY WELL IN RWANDA, DIDN'T IT? OVER 800,000 BUTCHERED IN A FEW MONTHS.
Comment: This is Africa's problem. Why should I send my son to be killed by thugs as part of the US or UN?
Africans started this by wanting independence from Ian Smith's government, so Africans finish it. I don't want any tax dollars/euros or dead sons and daughters wasted on this fruitcake Mugabe. Zimbabwans had it all before; education, health care, JOBS, FOOD (enough to feed the rest of Africa). Now go and find some dandelions by the side of the road to eat...I'm tired of bailing Africa out of its problems. I had lived in Africa for 4 years and am glad to be back to civilization.
Comment: EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE CLAMORING FOR (US) TO INTERVENE. SOUNDS SIMILAR TO PRE-IRAQ TO ME. WITH THE WONDERFUL LESSONS WE LEARNED IN IRAQ, AND THE BLAME WE HEAP ON BUSH FOR INTERVENING THERE AFTER SADDAM HUSSEIN BUTCHERED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS, CAN WE REALISTICALLY EXPECT ANY ACTION IN AFRICA? WITH THE HAND WRINGING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT IRAQ, WE'VE EFFECTIVELY TIED OUR OWN HANDS WHEN CONFRONTED BY THESE SITUATIONS. IT'S CURRENTLY PREVENTING ACTION IN DARFUR, AND WILL IN ZIMBABWE AS WELL. THE CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST.
Comment: Amen, If all you people would have backed the war in Iraq instead of turning on your own country maybe then the great U.S.of A would consider doing something about it, but not after the gong show the american people have made of this war. I as a Canadien support our friends to the south in all their noble acts.
Comment: I think it's too bad someone can't get close enough to let him die in office like he wants. I am saddened by the lack of inaction from other countries, but you also must take into consideration what the people of America would say if Bush got involved. He is already catching hell for still being in Iraq and trying to make change there, people would say it's none of our business and that we should stay out of it.
Comment: Resident Dumbush's final justification for our invasion of Iraq was that Saddam hussein was so bad to his own people that we had to remove him. Robert Mugabe comes from the same gene pool as Saddam, and he is very very obviously bad for his people. Yet the U.S. is not doing anything except mouthing platitudes about the poor Zimbabweans.
Why is there such a difference in the attitude of the U.S. government in these two cases? Is it because the real reason was not that we give a damn about the suffering of the Iraqi people under Saddam but just the oil under their land? Or is it that we don't really care about the suffering of blacks in Africa? Remember Ruanda and the millions raped and hacked to death in the war between the Hutus and Tsutsis.?
Of course you don't recall. You are an American! You have a God-given right to kill hundreds of thousands just to ensure that you have lots of crude oil. You deserve respect as the only superpower with cruise missiles that can bomb innocents from hundreds of miles away, but you have no obligations to help the poor people of Zimbabwe get rid of a shitty dictator. God Bless America.
Comment: Yes the reason we're not intervening in Zim. is two-fold: first, it's of no strategic value to us. I think we learned our lesson in Somalia. Secondly, if we did invade you, and like-minded people, would be the first ones to cry racism, colonialism and imperialism. ...remember - damned if you do and damned it you don't. BTW, please get some therapy for your anti-American hatred. Game-set-match. Next question please.
Comment: If you will think about all of the *** being said already about the US going into other countries then you may understand one of the reasons we have not done anything. I am an American I am saddened by the fact that no one is doing anything, but you also have to look at things from someone elses view..not just your own. And as for the crued oil being why we are still in the middle east, try again. As soon as we leave that place things are going to be a thousand times worse then they already are. Oh, and if you want to bash America..you might want to include the other countries that are doing NOTHING for Zimbabwe as well...what was your excuse for them??
Comment: I think Chitta must be a great admirer of China, maybe he should ask his Chinese friends to intervene? Oh thats right, China supports Mugabe (and for that matter Sudan too).
Comment: It certainly seems to be his game plan. Let's all just hope it comes soon for the welfare of that nation! This also shows what a waste of time the UN is. A UN expeditionary force should simply go in there and remove Mugabe.
The worst rule in the world is black rule! Does anyone remember Idi Amin of Uganda? The only really stable country in sub Saharran Africa is Botswana. The one thing that keeps South Africa afloat is its substantial white minority of around 4-5 million people.
Comment: I believe every race has a few bad characters. Stalin, white, killed millions of his own people. Hitler, killed millions. Mao, let millions starve to death, and had forced labor camps like Stalin. Pol Pot killed millions in Cambodia. Musollini, killed innocents in Ethiopia. The war in the former Yukoslavia was about the extermination of the Muslims, caused the deaths of hundred of thousands. Mass killing on an inhuman scale for petty reasons is done by every race. Thank you mankind.
Comment: I think if you took some time reading these comments, you'd see that Americans actually do care quite a bit -- it's the administration that chooses to look the other way. White people just don't care about Africa. It's not just Americans, either. Take a look at what companies like Shell are doing in Africa.......Europeans are no better. It's not an American thing, it's a Western thing. I don't see any members of the EU or UN rushing in, either, so don't be so quick to point the finger.
Comment: Actually Bush has sent (wasted IMO) millions in taxpayer money to Africa. It's a financial black hole but it's paid off. Bush is probably more popular in sub-Saharan African than any other region of the world. I'm no Bushie but he's probably more concerned w/ Africa as a whole than Joe Q six pack. Perhaps he thinks this will pay off w/ the AA's in this country?? Hell, even Geldof praised him.
Comment: Yes, of all the recent U.S. gov't. expedentures, that's definitely what's been wasted over the last eight years.
(*Coughs and tries hard not to say "$600 billion" or to point at a sandbox.*)
Comment: Yes mi amigo..one of the many things Bush and our feckless Congress has wasted money on...thanks for agreeing with me..you rock!
Comment: What's a measly $600,000,000? Let's print up a few trillion dollar bills and drop them over Africa. I mean there's no need to back up our neat paper money ( I just adore the new colors) with commensurate tangible assets... right? The govt. tells us this stuff is worth something and it's all good...yep that's the ticket. Genius, pure metaphysical genius.
Comment: My point was rather that the $2B or thereabouts annual aid to Subsaharan Africa does not represent a terribly significant portion of U.S. federal government revenue or the foreign aid budget. The Iraq War does. That was all.
And no, you can't just "print money" and spread it around, I'm at least as well aware of this as you are. As a matter of fact, I'll leave it to you to explain how paper money that isn't backed by real assets tends to produce inflation. I will also leave it to you to also explain how the Subsaharan African aid total is a drop in the bucket compared to the Iraq War costs, completely irrespective of any kind of inflation.
Comment: Hurray! Something we can agree on. The whole Iraq war is an abject political and financial disaster... I heartily concur. I would also condemn our overseas commitments- commitments that have seen US troops stationed in Europe for the last 60 + years. ...another huge and unnecessary financial burden in the post-Cold War era. I also agree that $2B (I'll trust your figure) is a drop in the proverbial bucket. It's still $2B that would seem to have been inefficiently allocated. Money did trickle down to the common man but a substantial portion was siphoned off by despotic regimes. You're arguing a point that was not germane to the original comment ...a point, I might add, I agree with.
