Mugabe's Endgame

bohdansz??..Perfect example of ignorance...I am sure European COLONIALISM was great for all involved, Native Americans, African-Americans, Africans...were all treated so greatly by their masters. Doesnt it occur to you that America's stability in this time is the result of our torrid past? and the ability to grow as a society (gradually) into stability? The interruption in this growth presented by your colonialism is exactly what prevented these cultures from growing as a people out of complete poverty and religious / cultural differences. Lack of understanding of these cultures is so central to American arrogance that it results in us continuously entering conflicts we cannot win (Iraq, Vietnam, Iran ???) because the points of contention are not solved. I dont know what your educational background is, but I will tell you true education comes not in school..but by reading ALL sides of the story. PNOTY96

Screw those negroes! It's a black thing! After watching the news again last night, I don't care anymore! Two black girls just got away with murdering a white girl in her early twenties, found not guilty by a black jury in Detroit Mich. They walked, dragged into the woods at "Belle Isle" a park in detroit, and robbed her of her jewelry, then pushed her face in the mud until she stopped breathing. This was not disputed by either black girl. The only thing that was disputed was who was responsible for her death. They both blamed the other. So neither one goes to prison for Murder? Found not guilty by a black jury. This is justice?

It certainly seems to be his game plan. Let's all just hope it comes soon for the welfare of that nation! This also shows what a waste of time the UN is. A UN expeditionary force should simply go in there and remove Mugabe.

The worst rule in the world is black rule! Does anyone remember Idi Amin of Uganda? The only really stable country in sub Saharran Africa is Botswana. The one thing that keeps South Africa afloat is its substantial white minority of around 4-5 million people.

Africa has always been a real basket case. It is sad to say but the only time that any part of Africa has been at peace and well managed was during colonial times. Africans are incapable of self governance. Look at what has happened in South Africa once the local population was allowed to be in power. Today there is widespread lawlessness and curruption, and violence. Not a single African country is safe any more. I say get the colonists back and let the good times roll.

I noticed that some of the people here can't see beyond their noses. They just jump on the bandwagon with a biased individual and cook up evidence of their experiences with other races.... GET A LIFE!!!
Robert Mugabe is one of many african leaders that has wronged his people; maimed, murdered, starved and violated their rights.. there was a dictator in a country named Nigeria years ago that did not work too well with the United States(name:Sani Abacha). note that nigeria is an oil rich country... Anyway, he died mysteriously in his sleep. After his death, the U.S and nigeria had a great relationship.....
There was another dictator by the name Idi Amin who had a problem with the West as a whole..... Guess what? the U.S and GBR played a major role in making sure that he went into exile..... point.
There is one thing these two countries have in common.... They have oil..........
Truth: If African leaders intervene, Mugabe will be dethroned ASAP. it is not the U.S' responsibility to overthrow any government, so all of you making noise should relax and shut up!... We have no reason to go to Zimbabwe.... they have no oil for us, and they have no gold for us.... in short, it will be a bad investment. lol
the Racists and Clowns on here should take a cue and learn from Barney....

...I am honestly amazed at how quickly this entire strand of comments moved from Zimbabwe's crisis to a heated debate over racism. Race has nothing to do with the terrible crimes that are being committed in Zimbabwe, and I'm a little disheartened that someone would try to make trailor parks and murders in Michigan be some kind of justification for letting a "LEADER" of a country kill everyone who tries to campaign against him! I'm from the south, many of my family members live in TN ( big cotton state for those who may not know). WE have black people here who cause trouble, we have ALOT of mexicans here who steal and stare at every woman to the point you feel like you are being undressed. But we also have alot of white people here who cause trouble, or steal, or stare at women.Yes, I do have a problem with black people who act like everyone owes them something or those who gang up and try to intimidate everyone, and I do have a problem with Spanish speaking immigrants who in no way try to learn english, but expect english speaking people to know exactly what they want at all times! BUT.... despite all of that I know that..THE PROBLEM IN ZIMBABWE IS NOT RACIAL! IT IS ONE EVIL MAN TRYING TO RULE A SCARED AND OBVIOUSLY ABANDONDED PEOPLE.

Totugga55....

Sorry, but I didn't take anything from anyone and I suspect neither did you. Yes white people here in America did own slaves, most black but not exclusively. Many white people were also "owned" as indentured slaves. Further blacks have been enslaving blacks in Africa for as long as there have been people there. Just as most of mankind has since the beginning of time.

As for the culture, influence, etc. Most rap artists are black, they exploit the situation of the less fortunate neighborhoods where most of them grew up to get rich, but then do nothing to help change the situation. Yet you would blame me as a white person for this

i appreciate your refernce to the ndebele massacre and nkomo; politics hardly excuse mugabe's genocide which resulted in his political rival with power going into exile and the demise of zapu and the creation of a one party system; and he is a hero? it worked then, why not now with a helping from south africa? this is also a blot on the south african government!

Normally, I do not respond in these type of forums. But the comment posted by bruce1921Mi intrigues me. In as much as I find his comment immensely offensive, and one of great ignorance, I can not help but also at the same time take great comfort in knowing that many of the very luxuries and inventions that he, as well as the rest of us that make up modern civilization, enjoy and take for granted was created by members of the black race. So I would simply exhort and challenge Mr. Bruce to reconsider his take of the evolutionary ladder the next time he stops at a traffic light. Or the next time he hear of someone needing heart surgeory...or the next time he wears a cotton shirt... that he owes a debt of gratitiude to the very race that he has so dengrated today. In reference to our diversity and contributions to society, let us learn to celebrate one another, rather than tolerate each other. Life would be a whole lot sweeter.....

luga982..

Capitalism has nothing to do with it. This is a much deeper rooted problem. It's about a certain section of society wishing to force another section of society to take the blame for their failures. No one forces a neighborhood to collectively turn it's head as drugs, gangs, etc. start to inflitrate. No one forces that group of citizens that live in said neigherhood to do nothing and then complain about it.. Nor does the fact that some white guy owned slaves 150 years ago have anything to do with the ills of modern american society. Just as Egypt is not to blame for Isreals problems just because they enslaved the Isrealites at one point it time.

If we wish to change our society we must start with ourselves. That starts with each person acknowledging that they themselves are soley responsible for what they make of their lives. Stay in school, study hard, get a college education and get a good job. And don't tell me it can't be done. My step father was black and he did it just fine even though he came from a dirt poor family in the projects. I dropped out of college worked my tail off at dead end jobs and finally got smart, got student loans and finished college. So it can be done. Also why do we have to refer to people as blank-American? If a person doesn't hold dual citizenship then they are not blank-american. Only american. If all races are to be truly equal then all races need to work together to eliminate race as a consideration. There is nothing wrong with knowing, understanding and being proud of your heritage. But if you are going to call your self an, lets say African-American, then you put yourself in a situation that forces race to become an issue. If you only call yourself an american then race is no longer an issue. If we can achieve this then we can eliminate many of the race issues. But of course that calls for an open mind and willingness to change. Something I notice that most people don't have or want. It's much easier to blame the whites who owned slaves, or Capitalism, or the system, or whaterver....

As the blues singer Anothny Gomes noted in a song. The irony truly is strange that your the only one you can change.

Mrs Thompson, i applaud you for your sincere unbiased views as expressed below... Bruce is obviously a kid who does not understand the basic foundation behind the violation of human rights...... I strongly believe that anyone that dares to take lives should be punished; period. on the other hand, if anyone gets on the internet hiding behing the four walls of their house fails to respect other peoples race by making idiotic comments(big bruce the big idiot), you should also be punished.
Point: Mugabe is a corrupt leader, a coward and evidently a cold blooded murderer. the ideal thing to do will be to send troops from Nigeria and South Africa to solve Zimbabwe's problems.. Those troops are deadly, and will devour Mugabe in a heartbeat... all they want to hear is "GO". we have seen them do it during the Ecomog war, so we know that they can do it again and bring peace to the innocent and poor in Mugabe.
evidently, Mugabe has violated human rights in the worst way, and should be handed over to the high court in Zimbabwe after being captured.... all it takes is for the African Gods... South Africa and Nigeria to invervene.
back to Mr idiot. If you cannot learn to curb your emotions as a man, then you should not post comments

Something needs to be done about this, the powers that be, ie Europe & US should remove Robert Mugabe and his thugs by force before he butchers anymore of his citizens, but once again we have shown great indifference to suffering and injustice because that country is of no importance to us, quite frankly it makes me sick , but ist it funny how the U.S goverment goes after one brutal dictator who just happens to rule an oil rich country and leaves the rest of them to their devices. Amazing !

bruce1921M1

That is because by american law two people can not be charged for one crime, and as long there is any doubt as to which one delt the killing blow they can not be found guilty. That is why an identical twin will not be found guilty of a crime, because even DNA tests can't prove which of the two is guilty. So therefor they will never know for sure which twin is responsible.

Just because someone is a different colour doesn't make them more violent, smarter, or any other racist steriotype. Yes, different cultures instills different values in people but skin tone doesn't. You have no idea what the people of Africa go through every day. You probaly have never gone days without food, and lived in constant fear. You might think you have but the worst life in the US is better than their best. My best friend was born in Hati, was adopted into Canada, and she has more class then most white girls. She is one of the most recognized people in my town, you say her name and everyone has something nice to say about her. You should think about how different your life would be if from the time you were a child society told you you were useless, stupid, ect. You would be no different, you are complaining about something you helped create. Instead of being a jack ass, you should do something to help. Children are like fish, they will grow as big as their tank will allow. If kept in an enviroment of hate, and abuse their minds won't grow very big, but if surrounded by love and equality they too could/can change the world. You need to put your nasty words aside and help show "how better you are" by making a difference. For a race that is "superior" you would think we would be able to control ourselfs better, be able to help instead of creating more problems. Name a problem that the African American community has, guess what we got that too! Murder, drugs, abuse, gangs, all also afflict white people. Even in area's where we are the majority. Yes it's not as prevalent but then in general our living conditions are better. You might think "they" passed that to us, but if we are so much better why would we fall for that. Maybe its because we are as weak and messed up as everyone else. We clawed and beat our way to the top and now some of us feel it appropreat to point and laugh at those we devalued in the process. We pushed them down and now we need to prove our humanity and help them reclaim what we stole from them.

I guess ignorance really is bliss hunh bruce1921M1. Let's not even get started on the countless injustices committed by white people against black people. Sean Bell, killed in a hail of unjustified gunfire, all ACQUITTED. Oh, and war zones you say? I have you visited your local trailer park my dear? If you really want to get into a debate about what blacks and whites are capable of and aren't, do your homework first. Ghettos don't know color lines, nor does poverty, injustice, crime or anything else that ails us as human beings. I can easily say the folks going into work shooting up the place, blowing up buildings in the name of the USA, or men who kill their wives and infant children IS A WHITE THING, but I won't because history has given us plenty of examples where such ignorant, inflammatory and narrow minded comments have no bearing.

EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE CLAMORING FOR (US) TO INTERVENE. SOUNDS SIMILAR TO PRE-IRAQ TO ME. WITH THE WONDERFUL LESSONS WE LEARNED IN IRAQ, AND THE BLAME WE HEAP ON BUSH FOR INTERVENING THERE AFTER SADDAM HUSSEIN BUTCHERED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS, CAN WE REALISTICALLY EXPECT ANY ACTION IN AFRICA? WITH THE HAND WRINGING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT IRAQ, WE'VE EFFECTIVELY TIED OUR OWN HANDS WHEN CONFRONTED BY THESE SITUATIONS. IT'S CURRENTLY PREVENTING ACTION IN DARFUR, AND WILL IN ZIMBABWE AS WELL. THE CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST.

Resident Dumbush's final justification for our invasion of Iraq was that Saddam hussein was so bad to his own people that we had to remove him. Robert Mugabe comes from the same gene pool as Saddam, and he is very very obviously bad for his people. Yet the U.S. is not doing anything except mouthing platitudes about the poor Zimbabweans.

Why is there such a difference in the attitude of the U.S. government in these two cases? Is it because the real reason was not that we give a damn about the suffering of the Iraqi people under Saddam but just the oil under their land? Or is it that we don't really care about the suffering of blacks in Africa? Remember Ruanda and the millions raped and hacked to death in the war between the Hutus and Tsutsis.?

Of course you don't recall. You are an American! You have a God-given right to kill hundreds of thousands just to ensure that you have lots of crude oil. You deserve respect as the only superpower with cruise missiles that can bomb innocents from hundreds of miles away, but you have no obligations to help the poor people of Zimbabwe get rid of a shitty dictator. God Bless America.

THE REALITY OF DICTATORS IS STUNNINGLY DEPICTED BY THE AUTHOR. THE SHAME MUST BE SHARED BY THE LEADER OF SOUTH AFRICA, WHO REFUSES TO CONFRONT A BRUTAL DICTATOR BECAUSE OF FRIENDSHIP (NO LEADER WORTHY OF THE TITLE). THE ONLY COMFORT IS THAT HISTORY WILL JUDGE MUGABE, AS WELL AS MBEKI.

It is absolutely unbelievable to me that instead of doing something, the West is just watching. We're more than happy to intervene when people are playing with nuclear reactors or natural resources we need, but we have sure let the world down, first in Darfur, then in Tibet, and now in Zimbabwe. We sit in our nice houses and offices and watch these people beaten to death and thrown into mass graves because we have nothing at stake. The West stopped caring for Africa long ago -- we only care for their oil. This story, this situation and the lack of intervention by the West makes me ashamed to be a Westerner.