Posted By: fixitup @ 08/29/2008 9:11:55 AM
Comment: I sense a little psychosis creeping in
You're On Candid Camera
The Bush administration now wants to watch you from the sky.
Jun 25, 2008 | Updated: 5:20 p.m. ET Jun 25, 2008
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Posted By: fartmantwo @ 08/14/2008 1:54:28 PM
Comment: I believe it was Ben Franklin who said " Those who would sacrifice rights for security deserve neither". When our home got ???home invaded??? on 911 did our overseers buy better doors and windows and a better door lock? Those in power didn???t protect our borders they spied on our own people, they eliminated ???innocent until proven guilty???, they declared marshal law (still in effect by the way), they instituted soviet style torture on people being held with charge, they outlawed descent against the war and made Bush the ???Commander and God??? in the event of another terrorist attack. (see presidential directive #51 ??? 2007) How can we trust them now?
It is so sad that we let 200 years of freedom dissolve so quickly due to our own fear: I am not afraid of guys in caves. Hell, the USA vaporized two cities in Japan, a country the size of California. Did that end Japan?
Men in caves can not end this country. Men in caves can not take away the bill of rights, men in caves can not eliminate the Constitution, men in caves can not end the United States of America. WHY DO WE KEEP ACTING LIKE THEY ARE CAPABLE OF DESTROYING AMERICA? They can not?????????.
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Posted By: GWBasher @ 08/06/2008 5:46:14 PM
Comment: Now all Americans can get a taste of what life in the USSR was. It's been ongoing since year 2000.
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Posted By: Ben Stroked @ 07/09/2008 5:18:44 PM
Comment: Cool, maybe we wont need local cops any more!
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Posted By: rob766 @ 07/01/2008 10:01:27 PM
Comment: The government is already spying on and harassing US citizens without satellites. Apparently experimenting with so-called nonlethal weapons, we are harassed and tortured by covert operatives 24/7. This country (and many others) have sold out to the idea of maintaining security by becoming another Nazi Germany. It's hard to understand just what value some of this harassment provides unless it is to satisfy the sick, sadistic operatives with entertainment. A dubious public may as well be in collusion with these privacy invaders and the media does nothing to assist in the matter.
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Posted By: bopdaddy @ 06/30/2008 3:42:54 PM
Comment: no government pol can be trusted to protect our rights unless he is sure that he will go to jail for any violations of the law
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Posted By: bopdaddy @ 06/30/2008 3:41:40 PM
Comment: no government bruoucrat can be trusted to obay the law unless there is a cirteny that they will go to jail if they brake the laws
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Posted By: huam420b @ 06/29/2008 10:38:24 PM
Comment: US satelite's purpose is the giving every imformation to stupid group , 97 % vote for their own region and
another are always voting same 70 % they are going to fix the vote.
This stupid group know everything about all the Korean people ,even their are number of spoon in the
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Posted By: huam420b @ 06/29/2008 10:32:32 PM
Comment: In 2005 , Very famous actress and woman singer were sucide consequently as a malancholia.
I said every people US satelite are very accuracy so satelite messanger knew everything about your
talking and doing . You are going to walk in the street ,stranger knew about all of you.
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Posted By: huam420b @ 06/29/2008 10:22:21 PM
Comment: American should know about very expensive ,sophisticated something like alien predator's eye US satelite.
More than 10 years just one enemy spy catched not US satelite.
US satelite help organized south korean anti American beef protester.
It is kidding. No it is absolutly true.
Oneday , I talked to young American Agency that Korean need more American style change.
He said no change , change should be very slow.
US satelite do not use catching enemy spy or terrorist but a Korean stupid group talk a power.
All South Korean anti American beef protest are connected handphone message and very fast
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Posted By: huam420b @ 06/28/2008 11:39:48 PM
Comment: US satelite are very good eye of predator allien eye, If your are outsider or not agree US GOV.
. you walking in the street , stranger talk abot all your doing ,love ,talking how to behavior
so you are very upset , your are not escaped predaroe's eye.
yor are going to be mad because US satelite send a your neighbor to a handphone
message about all of your doing exactly.
Your neighbor ,receving satelite message about you talking very upset fact of you.-
Posted By: observer101 @ 06/29/2008 11:25:31
Comment: Enough of the cartoons you watch...huam420b....Have scotty and Spock already beamed you up?...That is not how it would work...But if you think so then go through life misinformed.
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Posted By: driver1110 @ 06/28/2008 10:46:12 PM
Comment: US satelite like predator eye in the movie ,so US GOV. know everything about you.
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Posted By: OBWan @ 06/28/2008 8:10:24 PM
Comment: Let me see keep the 2nd amendment, but throw out the 4th. I think I have.
Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
BTW - If it were not for the liberal patriots in 1776 we would still be kneeling to the Queen.-
Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 20:17:41
Comment: In 1776 they never in envisioned extremists flying bombs into skyscrapers...or sats in the sky with picture taking capabilities did they?..They had there own way of spying on others back then.
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Posted By: OBWan @ 06/28/2008 20:28:43
Comment: Observer101 - Go read up on the American Revolution.
They were known as Tories (British sympathizers or Loyalists)- before American Independence was won in 1781 and the Constitution ratified in 1787.-
Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 20:33:33
Comment: sorry I sent before I was done..But you are right they were called tories...Im not disputing that.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 20:32:11
Comment: Thats great you know your history OBWan....But what has this got to do with the changing times?..Im sure they didnt envision gays wanting rights, or ppl questioning God in the classroom...I understand the Constitution and what you are saying...But
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Posted By: OBWan @ 06/28/2008 21:00:55
Comment: Observer101 - They probably did not see non-landowners with the rights or that state assemblies would not be selecting the President. The constitution has been amended 27 times and only once did that amendment tighten the rights - Prohibition (18th), which of course was later repealed with the 21st.
Change has always and will always be with us. A very wise man taught me that when it comes to rights - mine end where the other persons begins, the difficult part is knowing where that line is. An even wiser man said "leave the things that are Caesar's for Caesar and things that are God's for God."-
Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 21:19:59
Comment: Those are indeed wise words to ponder and that is why this is a great nation to allow us to debate and argue where that fine line between one persons rights and anothers ends and begins. ..But protecting citizens rights and lives should always be the fore front of any President despite the fact if there a Dem President, Repub, or Independent. The implication of technology to defend ones country should not always be looked upon as an infringement of rights, grant it that there will always be someone in a position of power to abuse it...But rest assured the American public will not tolerate such abuses if such case is detected and brought up to the publics attention...No politician in his right mind would stand a chance if caught abusing such powers..
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Posted By: OBWan @ 06/28/2008 21:34:57
Comment: This we agree upon.
That is why we have three branches of government - with some very specific obligation by the legislative side in terms of oversight.-
Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 21:42:54
Comment: Well Im am done for the evening...OBWan you have some good points, and that is welcomed in my mind. You seem not to mind looking at things from different viewpoints....The wiseman words rings true in my mind...Goodluck to you and yours...P.S. the animal bladder and warm beer response was good.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 7:50:27 PM
Comment: Ive pointed out all along that we need capabilities pointed in our direction to protect , if not deter unwanted elements. Catch them in the act...Thats were enemies of the U.S. want to strick us in our own country..Why not protect ourselves and have "big brother" watching if we have the capabilities?...It is not possible for the U.S. Gov to watch EVERYTHING we do...Just things that are considered red flags...Nothing different than the Cold War era...Just now its more sophisticated and highly teched out....So arguing that we would be deprived of our freedoms is just plain silly..
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 7:43:54 PM
Comment: Trolling? Im not leaving unwanted comments at the end of others...I really havent seen any points coming from you...Just pretending to correct others...If thats your speed then go to a english for beginners forum. Then you can correct spelling errors, and feel good about it.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 7:18:35 PM
Comment: First off...Never did I say you condoned such actions...I was making a point....But assume all you want..Surely you can make a lawsuit out of my freedom of speech...Not that you would win...Then when you are done you can sue a little girlscout for selling you cookies that contain peanuts...Then go after Santa Claus for not putting an E at the end of his name. and the tooth fairy for not giving your child more money under there pillow then he/she deserves..good luck.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/28/2008 19:33:05
Comment: You're not interested in talking about the issues one bit, just trolling. I've got nothing more to say.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 20:13:27
Comment: Byyeeeee!
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 7:13:09 PM
Comment: This is part 2...Thanks "willnotvoteobama".....Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer
white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their
beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of liberal women have
higher testosterone levels than their men.
Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in
Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the
designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also
bat.
Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for
their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys,
lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police
officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone
who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other
conservatives who want to work for a living.
Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and
decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more
enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in
Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after the
Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for
nothing.
Here ends today's lesson in world history.......
It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily
respond to the above before forwarding it.
A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth
of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true
believers, and to more liberals...just to piss them off.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/28/2008 19:21:52
Comment: Do you send your kids out to jeer at other kids they don't like and laugh in their faces, too?
I think that used to be called "bullying". People don't even put up with the way you're acting in grade school. You'd get taken right over somebody's knee until you learned to grow up.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 7:11:22 PM
Comment: This is a cleaver little post from another poster.....For those who slept through World History 101...here is a condensed
version.
Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic
hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer
and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
The two most important events in all of history were:
1. The invention of beer, and
2. The invention of the wheel.
The wheel was invented to get man to the beer, and the beer to the man.
These facts formed the foundation of modern civilization and together were
the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
1. Liberals.
2. Conservatives.
Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of
agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet,
so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be
invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were
formed.
Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BB Q at night
while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as
the Conservative movement.
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off
the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the
sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal
movement.
Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became
known as girlie-men.
Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats,
the invention of group therapy and group hugs, the evolution of the
Hollywood actor, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to
divide all the meat and beer that conservatives provided.
Over the years, Conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most
powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by
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Posted By: OBWan @ 06/28/2008 20:17:53
Comment: Yeah -and you forgot about fiefdoms and the feudal lords. The original containers were animal stomachs and beer was served warm.
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Posted By: Patriot Spy @ 06/28/2008 3:46:23 PM
Comment: You are a complete idiot, Isikoff. You probably see little green men outside in the yard at night too, right?
You know absolutely nothing of how the U.S. Intelligence system works to keep YOUR bacon out of the fire each and every day. It does not involve imagined spying against U.S. citizens.-
Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/28/2008 18:31:48
Comment: Bullshit. Eliott Spitzer was caught in part due to provisions of the Patriot Act.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 19:02:22
Comment: In the case of Spitzer, the Patriot act did what it was supposed to do...catch criminals....Hopefully we catch more be it here or abroad...Politicians shouldnt be excluded...Im glad his self righteous ass was caught...He deserves every bit of justice that can be dished out on him...It seems the crooked politicians want nothing to do with these "spy" bills cause they know it would sooner or later knab them...that seems the real reasoning behind there defiance of them. They could care less if it goes against the constitution of us "lowly" ppl that put them in office...So long as THEY dont get caught.
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Posted By: OBWan @ 06/28/2008 20:32:21
Comment: Observer101 - How many criminals have been convicted under the Patriot Act? Think real carefully before you answer.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 20:45:35
Comment: Honestly...Is that a serious question?...Would you like to know how many ppl lost there drivers license from not paying child support too, or How many politicians were caught red handed in awkward situations that required them to step down?...The Patriot Act is relatively new and when applied to specific cases there will be more criminal ppl done in by it...Just a matter of time.
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Posted By: OBWan @ 06/28/2008 21:18:03
Comment: Yes - it is a legitimate question, because else how do you assess it worth. I am sort of a data driven person - so - this is important. I am only interested in the primary portion not the side stuff - that should have been found and dealt with by other means.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 21:52:44
Comment: As for your question...Noone person comes to mind...Several companies have had the Pat Act used against them by the SEC and they the company settled outside without admitting guilt...But given time the Patriot Act will serve its purpose of tracking large transfers of illegitimate funds, or applied to criminals wanting to harm the U.S. interests in one way or another...Like I said It is a fairly new law just after 2001 or a little later I believe. The Pat Act has and will be used by Prosecutors...As to whether or not some one person is convicted remains to be seen.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 12:47:08 PM
Comment: Perfect example of a lib is that they will argue about going to war to protect there freedoms and damn the very ppl fighting for there liberties but prance are shouting that they have the right to free speech... perfect example of not helping to protect free speech but expecting it anyway....They are the draft dodgers, the little people from college that dont really have a mind of there own that libs recruit for weekend rallies by bribing with extra credits just for showing up, or the ones who make up stupid reasons for not saying the pledge of allegience (probably because they were to lazy to stand up an couldnt recite it as a child so they use there own children as a reason to make up for there insecurities they had no control of), the ones who are physically abused by the sight of a christmas tree in the town square(probably not enough presents as a kid. brings back bad memories for them), Or the ones visually raped by looking at a cross, or the ten commandments in someones front yard or court of law foyer. And various other whiners...I am sure there are plenty more examples that i havent mentioned...feel free to add them....So to make the point kurosawa it does hurt to listen the those self centered or serving (which ever you like)mindless ppl.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/28/2008 18:30:27
Comment: You familiar with the term "chickenhawk"?
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 18:53:14
Comment: Very familiar... Are you aware that there are elements outthere that want nothing more than to detonate the biggest explosion on your front porch...Or are you the type that would sit and watch your neighbor carry in random little boys and girls into there house and pretend you didnt see anything until the cops and news media is all over your front yard asking why you didnt say or do anything?..Surely you arent the latter...Are you?
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/28/2008 19:11:48
Comment: Nice scaremongering and pigeonholing. With regard to your unfounded implications that I condone pedophilia, you don't know one thing about me. This makes any assumptions about my character on your part completely unfounded, and potentially unlawful, given that they're appearing in print.
As far as the "elements out there that want nothing more than to detonate the biggest explosion on my front porch", I'm well aware of the extremism of some of our enemies. They match nicely our own extremists who are so scared to death that they feel we have to unilaterally attack anyone we might fear.
And both elements are the biggest cowards on the block, too afraid to even admit they're afraid, and dragging other people down with them in their own cowardice and ignorance.-
Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 20:04:35
Comment: Thats the new age of warfare....Know longer will we sit and let another country or "tribe" attack this country and go into hiding amongst other countries...(Iran, Afghanistan)...Threats are now perceived as actual plans of doing it...Bush 1 pointed it out, Clinton let it slide, and look what happened...A new age of warfare...Preemptive strikes are now a necessary tool when rogue nations have every intentions of carrying out an attack...Hense the sitting idley by story i presented you earlier that you misinterpeted...By the by I said watching a neighbor carrying kids in and out..not you doing it.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 12:24:52 PM
Comment: Kurosa...Your point is well taken...liberals are the ones that really do nothing to acheive anything but expects everything. They produce nothing to society but they expect to regulate those who do produce....They will ask for groups hugs but specify the only correct way to hug...if you hug any other way then you were molested as a child and need more "correct" group hugs and therapy...They are a sick lot, and we can all thank them for there effortless work of producing nothing, and regulating regulations they regulated...lol
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Posted By: kurosawaquilter @ 06/28/2008 11:50:05 AM
Comment: Some people of the conservative type believe if the "left" liberals are upset about something, that means it's worth doing. This is dented logic. It is always possible for someone you disagree with to have a point, to be right about something. That is why you listen to others. To hear differing views and bounce your own off them. To sit like a rock and wait to see if the liberals like something (so it must be bad) or dislike something (so it must be good) is reasoning in a very limited capacity. You should be open to ideas, and consider them for their own worth regardess of who else likes or dislikes them. We all do have a brain. We all can think for ourselves. And we can all benefit from the ideas of others--even those who disagree. And it doesn't even hurt to listen or learn. Try it, those of you who let others' do your thinking.
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Posted By: mideastvet @ 06/28/2008 11:14:47 AM
Comment: what Constitution?
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Posted By: sharkman @ 06/28/2008 12:56:52 AM
Comment: I am the master of my fate.I am the captain of my sole. I hope you get a good look little Bushy butt boy.
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Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 06/27/2008 6:49:47 PM
Comment: Good news; and I hope it catches more terrorists and their ilk.
Any plan that has all the anti-American leftist liberals up in arms must be a good plan. In fact, that is really the litmus test; if the left-wing bloggers on Newsweak and the ACLU (American Communist Leftover Union) are up in arms, then it must be a very good plan indeed.-
Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/28/2008 18:45:35
Comment: I thought the Red Scare was over. You got a picture of Eugene McCarthy up on your wall or something?
It's unfortunate that a lot of conservatives these days define themselves in terms of opposition to liberal thinking. Heaven forbid we all up and disappear one day and leave you to try to think for yourselves.
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Posted By: ndrock @ 06/27/2008 3:14:37 PM
Comment: AS far as the spying: PLEASE...............Like it hasn't been done in the past by all military nations that have the techo. Nothing new, just new "the sky is falling" chicken Little's running the show.
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Posted By: ndrock @ 06/27/2008 3:11:52 PM
Comment: Correction: He did not molest an intern, she was a very, very, old enough willing partner, and frankly I don't give a rats ass that he did. What he didn't do was get us into a war with no end, and no purpose, other than to satisfy little Georgy Bushes grander plans, hey, we were better off for it.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 11:44:39
Comment: Ofcourse you wouldnt care if Clinton is a philandering, adulterer..ndrock....You probably allow this type of pure adulterating fun in you own home....Or visit the local porn shop on a weekly basis behind your wife/husbands back. ...p.s. Abusing ones powers and taking advantage of an intern is molesting...He is what 80y/o and she was 70 years younger?...No excuses for the white haired, big nosed, index finger wrapped around the thumb, hand shaking liar.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/28/2008 18:19:01
Comment: In point of fact, Clinton was 51, and Monica Lewinsky 22 when they had their affair. This is a 29-year age difference, not 70.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 18:42:37
Comment: Im sorry my math is off..From my Dem era public schooling...My point wasnt just the fact that there was a 29 year difference...He abused his powers in office to impress this goof ball intern to do him "favors", who knows what other intern he has taken advantage of that wont step up to the plate and expose his crooked butt....Either way he is a crooked liar to the American ppl...Not to mention a draft dodger...So ppl playing like Bush is the ultimate evil are just plain ignorant or in serious denial.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/28/2008 19:00:12
Comment: Bullshit. You just didn't feel like letting the facts get in the way of thelibel you were getting off on.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 19:07:17
Comment: Libel?...So he didnt molest an intern?..He didnt use his position of power?..He didnt deny and lie through his arrogant teeth?..He didnt go through impeachment proceedings?..Sorry pardon me...Im in the wrong world i guess...I should come to your world where this stuff just doesnt happen...
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/28/2008 19:34:57
Comment: Actually, it's more that I just have the courage to face it without throwing a tantrum.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/28/2008 20:11:45
Comment: Your are right... you are done in this post.
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Posted By: observer101 @ 06/27/2008 12:16:39 PM
Comment: Hmmm nins...Suppose an angelic, never fibbing, perfect, pure white lighted dem was president at the time of 9/11...Would the taliban, osama, and muslim extremists all bowed down to there all mighty godly U.S. dem president and ask for forgiveness...Or would we be kicking down doors trying to find these fanatics that have every intentions of wiping us off the face of the earth with there ideals...Having the technology that we have now would still be used to try and find or weed out these elements..So always refer to Bush as a warmonger or war criminal is just plan stupid....Truth has been out for a while now that this 9/11 bit was planned well into Clintons watch....He was just busy with other things like molesting interns and then lying to the very country he was supposed to represent...Whose the real criminal?....the liar who let this imminent threat turn into what it did or the one who got to business and is doing something otherthan zipping up his pants in the oval office? p.s. I dont recall any impeachment proceedings on any other U.S. pres in my life time...do you?
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Posted By: Micky Marsh @ 06/27/2008 11:50:42 AM
Comment: Could this be "A SKY SCAM " invasion by a " SKY CAM".
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Posted By: FATJOEY @ 06/27/2008 10:37:23 AM
Comment: baaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa SHEEP
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Posted By: getzel @ 06/27/2008 5:25:32 AM
Comment: And remember: I will be seeing you when you are not seeing me!
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Posted By: seabee69m @ 06/26/2008 5:36:31 PM
Comment: What happened to my comment? Because it was their while I was attempting to log in. only to find my password was not okay. You save everything eles for big brother,why can you not save mine and post once we got things ironed out?
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Posted By: FATJOEY @ 06/26/2008 1:48:50 PM
Comment: WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE PEOPLE WOULD RATHER BE NUKED THEN TORTURE SOMEONE TO FIND THE LOCATION OF THE NUKE FOR CHRIST SAKE?
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Posted By: Nins @ 06/26/2008 16:31:03
Comment: Fat Joe, i can only agree with Vigil and Cece in saying that you are ALL WET.
America stands for liberty and JUSTICE, not for torture and Big Brother's communist eyes watching you at all times. Just because Dubya Bush has broken every law and used the existence of terrorism to justify his criminal actions, don't make those actions right.. In fact, using terrorism to fight terrorism turns you into a TERRORIST.-
Posted By: FATJOEY @ 06/27/2008 08:16:16
Comment: SHEEEEEEEEEEP BAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAA ALL OF YOU
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/26/2008 16:40:01
Comment: Amen.
"When the ends justify the means, the means have usually by then become the ends." Fighting terror with terror just escalates the fear and anger on both sides. President Bush and about half the Army are stuck wanting to fight World War II over again. They don't understand asymmetrical warfare - exactly the kind projected to become the majority of violent conflict over the next century - one bit, and it's hurt the entire situation. People are going to have to become quite familiar with the tactics, methods, practices, and ideologies of occupation and resistance, or else both occupation AND resistance are going to occur with increasing frequency and horror.
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Posted By: cece.borjeson @ 06/26/2008 16:05:50
Comment: Dear Fat Joey:
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/26/2008 15:56:20
Comment: 1. Torture rarely results in good police or government intelligence. When torture is employed, prisoners will frequently give fraudulent confessions, or say or do anything to get the torture to stop. The anti-terrorist organizations who use actual police techniques usually have the best intelligence.
2. None of the people being tortured or waterboarded at Guantanamo Bay have shown any evidence that there is a nuclear program of any kind. Most terrorists have guns, roadside bombs, and other weapons of warfare circa around 1900 or so (with possibly a slight edge on that due to the prevalence of the AK-47).
3. For the love of God, turn off your caps lock. And quit believing everything that's told to you.
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Posted By: lakenorth @ 06/26/2008 12:19:29 PM
Comment: Where have you been? Bush has been spying on you from the sky for eight years. The sad commentary is that he's so stupid............ what will he do with the information? Don't blame Bush, YOU voted for him twice.
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Posted By: FATJOEY @ 06/26/2008 12:21:51
Comment: YOU SAID IT YOURSELF "8 YEARS" AND THEY HAVN'T DONE ANYTHING SO THERES NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!
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Posted By: summer4077 @ 06/26/2008 13:34:57
Comment: Yeah that's like saying, "There's a convicted pedophile in my neighborhood, but he hasn't done anything for 8 years so there's nothing to worry about." The scary thing is that the administration CAN do something if they want to. The fact that they haven't is a moot point. I find it funny that you use that argument, when I'm sure you're also one that argues no terrorism has occured because of Bush's efforts. So which is it--nothing has happened so don't worry about it, or worry about the *potential* for something to happen.
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Posted By: scaredstiff @ 06/26/2008 11:37:07 AM
Comment: Let's see -- I believe I heard huge amounts of whining after 9-11 that "the GOVERNMENT didn't do enough to protect us". Now there is whining about losing our freedoms. You probably can't have it both ways. If want freedoms, be prepared to protect yourself. Quit whining. If you think Bush is infringing on your freedoms just wait till the socialists -- oops --- I mean, democrats take over. I'm moving illegally to Mexico, HaHaHa--
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Posted By: Nins @ 06/26/2008 16:33:09
Comment: Wonderful, Scared, Mexico will welcome you, and guess what? You can get your job back, the one that was shipped overseas after NAFTA. But, uh oh, now they only pay $4.00 and hour, and no benefits. That beans and rice dish three times a day sure tastes good. Hope you enjoy it.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/26/2008 16:50:46
Comment: Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the beans and rice constitute a healthier diet than we've got going in the U.S. these days on average, and maybe taste better. I've had some tasty, tasty beans and rice cooked by some Mexican-American friends.
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Posted By: summer4077 @ 06/26/2008 13:36:49
Comment: Uh, I know a LOT of people, not just Dems, who think that while 9/11 was tragic and there were missteps, it could have happened anyway. Terrorism is going to happen, no matter what steps you have in place to prevent it. Honestly, I don't blame the government for what happened. It was an act of terror that killed those people, not the government. Even if they had tied everything together beforehand, it may still have happened...and if not there, somewhere else.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/26/2008 13:16:19
Comment: Bon voyage. You wouldn't be missed.
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Posted By: cbinpa @ 06/26/2008 11:28:31 AM
Comment: The march toward fascism by this administration should alarm every citizen, conservative and liberal alike. Every would be dictator invents an imaginary, civilization-destroying enemy, then proceeds to take away citizens rights under the guise of "protection".. (sure, fundamentalist terrorists are a threat, but they aren't going to destroy our way of life, UNLESS we let them by giving up our freedoms ) Do your homework, read your history. The pattern is profound. Please, write to your senators and congressmen asserting your fundamental, constitutional rights to privacy, freedom of speech and religion before they are further stripped from you.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/26/2008 15:45:22
Comment: I'll only get scared if there's some sort of "terrorist attack" before Bush leaves power, and he tries to keep it under some sort of emergency guise. Otherwise, the neocons are on their way out, and my guess is that their political stock has tanked, probably for good.
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Posted By: youheardithere1st @ 06/26/2008 10:47:56 AM
Comment: as a true consevative i don't like this idea. the neocons' have ruined the constitution. some of you are against this because bush is for it, and if the dems thought the idea up you would be behind it. strange that true liberals are against [ for the wrong reason] , but one takes support where one can find it. just remeber liberals, when obama is [if] elected, that you were against it. obama may say hes against it now, but he has already broken his word on some matters. be against it for the right reason, not because bush is for it.
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Posted By: Nins @ 06/26/2008 16:35:05
Comment: The reason to be against this isn't because you are a Democrat or a liberal. The reason to be against it is because you are an AMERICAN.
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Posted By: FATJOEY @ 06/26/2008 11:16:05
Comment: if in PUBLIC you act right you have nothing to be concerned with? hell yes i want all people in PUBLIC to be watched,by street cameras and sattelites if need be!!
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/26/2008 13:22:46
Comment: You might get your wish. I just hope it's everything you think it's cracked up to be
And "youheardithere1st" is completely correct - there was a time when conservativism stood for *less* government interference in our lives, and less tax spending on programs like this. Bush has really run rampant against a good deal of what the conservative base used to stand for.
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Posted By: EE7011 @ 06/26/2008 10:40:28 AM
Comment: Oh "The Truman Show"
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Posted By: FATJOEY @ 06/26/2008 9:43:59 AM
Comment: civil liberties? they have an x-ray machine that can look into your bedroom? if not when in public you should be watched!!!
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Posted By: summer4077 @ 06/26/2008 13:38:43
Comment: Well they can listen in on phone conversations, do surveillance on your home, and track your car. Who knows if they're peering inside yet.
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Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/26/2008 9:31:29 AM
Comment: Everything overdone, as in, "mama get the hammer, there's a fly on baby's head." The spy satellite is not the way to solve the problem. It is the problem.
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Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/26/2008 9:26:24 AM
Comment: Yes, millerm84. What some people don't realize is that when these erosions of our freedoms occur, the power to intrude into our daily lives trickles down through the law enforcement agencies little by little, statute by statute, court decision by court decision, and finally into the hands of the local constabulary. "Lemme see what you got in your pockets, there", with no probable cause to ask. "Why are you driving here this time of night", with no probable cause to ask. "What you got in that purse? Looks too big to me to be innocent".
The constitution has protections written in it to prevent such intrusion into our innocent daily lives, free from undue suspicion, and "undue suspicion" is the unworthy motivation for these intrusions.-
Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/26/2008 10:39:06
Comment: And what some people don't realize (which is obvious by this article as well as these comments) is that this technology has been around well before Bush was in office. Take a look at google earth for example. You can type in an address and zoom clear into your own back yard. So, where do you think this technologies came from? What is pathetic is that people are quick to give government control over our lives by voting socialized this, socialized that and other handouts, yet make a mountain out of a molehill on other issues. You cry about our freedoms being lost yet you will give them away freely elsewhere. Amazing how the constiutution is used as a back up when the issue suits the need and is left to interpretation when it doesn't suit your agenda.....
On top ot it all, the press and those others who would distort reality will bring up these issues and find a way to twist them around for their own political use - and stupid people buy into it. Leave "Bush" out of this - he can't even legitimately be a scapegoat for this NON ISSUE. But some will try.... Very pathetic how todays media and society will distort facts and use the constitution only when it suits their needs and in the other breath argue that the constitution needs interpretation. Wake up and get off the stupid pills-
Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/26/2008 13:21:12
Comment: Quite honestly and frankly, private technology probably far outstrips anything the government can do. NASA had a competing application to Google Earth - NASA World Wind - and where Google Earth is about a 15MB download and works nearly flawlessly, World Wind was a 300MB, pixelated, ugly mess.
If the "spooks" have any sense at all they'll forget the overpaid computer contractors who do so much gov't. work and start using things like Google Earth, just as they eventually dropped the e-spying program Carnivore for off-the-shelf technology.
But if you really are a retired Marine, you ought to drop the bullying and insults. I took the oath to serve my country too at Great Lakes. To me, you're acting like a disservice to the services. If you come here as a retired service officer, then you're a representative of your country, and it would benefit us all for you to get rid of the contempt.
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Posted By: FATJOEY @ 06/26/2008 09:46:41
Comment: sure to stop you for no cause is wrong,but wheres it say in the constitution the governtment can't "watch you"?
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Posted By: millerm84 @ 06/26/2008 9:08:49 AM
Comment: The idea that the government wants to be able to watch whoever whenever and without regulation is the problem here(not that anyone believes that they can) but just because they can't doesn't lessen the fact they shouldn't have the ability to do so. The notation "If you've nothing to hide, then let us in" is astoundingly stupid. If you're not doing something wrong you have a right to not be searched, you have a right to refuse an officer of the law entry to your home if they don't possess a warrant. Spy satellites would not have stopped 9/11 those men were living normal lives that, from the sky, would not have produced evidence they were terrorist. These men went to jobs, went to mosque, prayed to Allah, and pursued a hobby, flying. Those men blended into our society and no satellite could have proved they were malicious. What will prevent further terrorist attacks is better airport security, I went through 3 US airports with a leathermen(small hand multi-tool with a cutting edge that was left over from a camping trip) I was never stopped, until i got to London, and a more intensive visa process from all nations that (with that person's signed permission on the application) will have NSA run back ground checks.
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Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/26/2008 8:58:04 AM
Comment: Thanks, millerm84. I got to thinking about it and I believe that a limber person could add the three finger gesture along with the moon to the camera. Maybe even a double. "Smile, you're on government camera". If only there were an extra spot on the November ballot to vote to erase the past eight years of the Executive office of this place. Can't have everything, I guess.
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Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/26/2008 10:44:09
Comment: Are you really stupid enough to believe that this didn't exist before Bush was in office?????
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Posted By: youheardithere1st @ 06/26/2008 17:18:47
Comment: how about erasing the last 16 years, clinton was just as bad.
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Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/26/2008 8:52:11 AM
Comment: The Republican party ought to have to pay a fine for picking Bush to run for president. They were desperate for a candidate, and not having one, they gambled that a name could win the office. Even though the name didn't win, they got him into the office anyway. He never understood the office and has governed like a fire hose out of control. His statements about things illustrate his ignorance, "smoke him out, string him up", referring to a fugitive from justice who has never even been seen despite billions spent and squandered to do so. He has such a poor understanding of the office, he thinks that the other two branches were a plot to deprive him of his divine right to rule on everything, as if he were king and his wisdom should govern all things. He has presided over efforts to take our individual freedoms away in the name of a fictitious war, a "war on terror" which has mostly been spent in Iraq, commenced in fraud. He, himself is the terror as he adds this next insult to our privacy in the name of a cowboy justice which never existed except in his own childish mind. Hurry, November, hurry, before he wrecks the place. He admits that he appears to be incompetent, but in the "Harry Truman" sense, to be adored in the future somehow as his gross incompetence fades into historical memory. He is no Harry Truman. There is no saving grace. He will be History's butt of governmental jokes. Only a democracy as strong as ours could ever survive such an attack on its integrity.
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Posted By: sean @ 06/26/2008 1:24:25 AM
Comment: *** that. Bush is a war criminal
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Posted By: thisisnotamerica @ 06/26/2008 12:48:52 AM
Comment: Why do so few people seem to care that, with the signing statements, executive orders and the criminal capitulation of Congress, the United States is now a presumptive Police State?.
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Posted By: quetzl @ 06/26/2008 12:46:37 AM
Comment: This Nation is absolutely broken, a state of affairs that began long, long ago but that has accelerated dramatically over the past eight years. Domestic privacy and security are but terms experienced only in dreams. Nevertheless, the smoldering, summative outrage over trampled individual rights will move the pendulum dramatically back toward rational balance. The only danger here is that a violent over-correction holds its own set of perils.
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Posted By: OneConcernedAmerican @ 06/26/2008 12:16:49 AM
Comment: One of our founding father's said it best.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
Any "program" with the potential to dig very deeply into the lives' of Americans deserves very careful scrutiny.
It seem as though we are moving very quickly of the concept of "freedom" employed in the old Soviet Union.
Their concept of freedom was "freedom from". The American concept has been "freedom to". Do we really want to sacrifice everyone's privacy?
My hat is off to our Congress on this one-
Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/26/2008 10:48:17
Comment: There are so many other issues where our freedoms are being willingly given away and we allow government to take control of our daily lives, yet the issue of concern is ... they want to wathc us???/ The quote from Benjamin Franklin you mention is very profound. It is a shame that people don't pay attention to it when they vote for the government to grow even larger and more controlling. Esp with the view that the government should take from one to give to another, that somehow the government knows what is best for us, etc.... If you are going to fight for freedoms, how about for all the freedoms rather than picking and choosing which freedoms you want.
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Posted By: OneConcernedAmerican @ 06/26/2008 12:16:10 AM
Comment: One of our founding father's said it best.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
Any "program" with the potential to dig very deeply into the lives' of Americans deserves very careful scrutiny.
It seem as though we are moving very quickly of the concept of "freedom" employed in the old Soviet Union.
Their concept of freedom was "freedom from". The American concept has been "freedom to". Do we really want to sacrifice everyone's privacy?
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Posted By: mdeagon @ 06/25/2008 11:53:05 PM
Comment: It really doesn't matter how a government seeks to justify such a program. It will continue to push and chip away at our Bill of Rights until you can no longer use it to ensure any sense of liberty. The power and abilities of these mechanisms will allow a surveillance agency to virtually step inside your home and life without any clue that they're doing it. The use of fear mongering, etc. by the Bush administration, and others likely to continue its terrible work, seeks to ensure that what used to be our good faith in our government will make this possible. Humans will control the use of these satellites, and they will, therefor, inevitably be abused. Congress should forever ban the use of these satellites for this work and only allow them to be used as they have been used in the previously described natural diaster and agricultural endeavors, once permission has been granted and under total and full disclosure. The Constitution was created to ensure that our natural human rights to be our own free sovereigns is never constrained. The real solution to reducing crime is not more and more laws, rules, constraints, and ever-present forms of enforcement, but rather addressing the root causes which is giving people more to live for than crime. You know, rather than spending trillions of dollars on illegal wars, etc., we might spend it on education, health care, infrastructure, etc. Just a thought.
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Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/26/2008 11:00:50
Comment: People don't seem to give a rats a$$ about the constitution and bill of rights anyway. Today we have a judicial system "deciding" if the second ammendment applies to private citizens. If you were to look into the history of the bill of rights, it was all meant for private citizens. The constitution took care of the government, but the ammendments were designed to protect private citizens. Amazing how a coupl hundred years later we want to interpret these things. I suppose if the first ammendment were in question the same way, the press would be up in arms about it.
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Posted By: summer4077 @ 06/26/2008 13:43:47
Comment: Um, the amendments and bill of rights ARE the constitution. Several amendments outside of the bill of rights (the 1st 10 of the constitution) have been meant for private citizens: freeing slaves, equal rights for women and blacks, the commencement and subsequent repeal of prohibition, etc. The constitution is constantly being interpreted as times change, hence why we had to put in amendments for women and blacks...or do you disagree with that, too?
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Posted By: summer1216 @ 06/26/2008 10:46:02
Comment: People don't even know their bills of rights. In large project, questioners asked people to name the 10 basic rights delineated in the bill of rights. Almost no one got even a few, and the most common few that they did barely remember, they got wrong. The most common wrong one was "the right to bear arms". We can't protect our rights if we don't even know what they are.
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Posted By: Silentmajority @ 06/25/2008 11:05:59 PM
Comment: Spy satellites are needed to see whether Obama is Muslim or not.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 06/28/2008 18:51:51
Comment: Riiiiiiight. Because the crew of Washington press corps and Secret Service agents around him 24/7 would never have noticed that...
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Posted By: underdog @ 06/25/2008 10:54:38 PM
Comment: This is a program that needs to wait for the next administration. To trust the current administration would be a big mistake. They do not seem to have a good track record of providing all pertinent information to Congress and seem to blur the lines on what is legal. Wither it's Obama or McCain I would feel better if a program like this was justified on their watch.
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Posted By: Jake22202 @ 06/25/2008 10:51:04 PM
Comment: So, I am working in the government spy office, and I am so busy. Do you know how much time it takes for me to spy on all of you? I mean really. It takes a tremendous amount of concentration to watch every move that everyone of you make especially when you are in a crowd. If I look away for just a second I lose you and then of course you can run around and do whatever until we pick you up again at home. I hate it most when I have to go to the bathroom right when someone is getting ready to do something, or when a cloud covers you. Plus, they have me assigned to read all of your email and listen to all of your calls. Hey can you guys use better spam filters. We just got a memo today that we don't have to read your spam, only things in your inbox. Also, stop with all the email addresses. I know I have 3 yahoos and 2 hotmails not counting my work one. Do you know how hard it is for me to follow you on my little video screen, read your emails, and listen to your phone calls and read all your text messages. I don't even know all the LOL, BRB, IMHO, and all of those things so it is kind of hard. Sometimes when you are at a football game, I get distracted by the game and watch it a little and then of course we swing the satellite over to the cheerleaders and watch them before we swing back to you. Well I have to go now and violate all of your civil rights. It is a busy job, but someone has