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  • Posted By: Hobieflier @ 07/21/2008 12:40:46 PM

    Who says high oil prices are a bad thing? We put a man on the moon over forty years ago, yet we're still getting from point A to point B in oversized cars that burn petroleum. It's time for a change. It's time for America to end its dependency (and bleeding cash) on Saudi Arabia for oil, and time to LEAD the world again...this time in terms of energy.

  • Posted By: NELEGER @ 06/29/2008 9:54:26 PM

    Calm your selves, little children. No insulting, and no panic out of control. We are going to be fine, and this is how:
    Increase energy supply, drill, build refineries and nuclear plants. We have the money to do it.
    Put more resources into wind and solar research/production. We are going to be fine if we accept who is the culprit of our dificulties. Please stop blaming President Bush and the Big oil companies. Energy is like drugs, companies sell it because there is demand for it.
    We, the american people are to blame. We want the big trucks ( I own two ) and the big house, cold a/c, long drives, etc. Do any of you want ot help our energy crunch instead of talking nonsense? Here. Drive slower and shorter. Ride the bus or the train if you can. Car pool. Up the thermostat a degree or two. You are the only one that can determine how your household can save energy.
    By the way, wasn't it Bill Clinton who vetoed any increase of nuclear and fosil energy production and refining in 1998? And he did it just to please us all americans who did not want to damage the enviroment and did not want to help global warming. But we all kept driving like crazies. But we are all humans and want to blame everybody else, except ourselves.
    Looking towards the future, please do not vote for the one who wants to increase our taxes. That is crazy. Maybe he just can't help it. It is in his blood. If you dont believe me, look at where he came from, what religion he was raised under, and his associations since he has been in the continental USA. We need a real american as president, and Condie Rice as VP. That's the real woman. It makes sence.

    • Posted By: tc125231 @ 06/30/2008 9:08:10 PM

      This is undoubtedly the dumbest of the condescending Republican pieces in some time. It's basic premise reminds me of a drug dealer lecturing his clients on the nature of addition, in the most condescending tone possible. (After all, they must be stupid. They bought stuff from HIM in the past.)

      What is really quite clever is his suggestion that he and other metaphorical drug dealers should be elected to high office, because, --hey --who knows more about drug addiction than a drug dealer?

      Of course, if you buy it, you really are QUITE dumb....

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/01/2008 9:30:41 PM

        tc -
        Sadly, you are a typical liberal who is breathtakingly ignorant of the world around you. Rising oil prices are occuring around the world, not just here. Demand is simply exploding in places like China and India, and supply has not kept up. In our own country, we are sitting on massive amounts of oil but do not have the political will to beat back the radical environmentalists and drill it. Until we muster that will, this is the situation we are in...and it will get worse.

        I'm willing to bet you are a big fan of Bill Clinton. Well, it was he caved in to the eco-weenies and prevented the US from drilling in ANWR, 13 years ago. What do you suppose would be the price at the pump today if this oil were flowing today?

        No one knows, but one thing is for sure - it sure as heck would be less than it is today.

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/01/2008 7:59:26 PM

      Right on the money! Well said...I wonder how many of the liberals and their ilk, and the eco-weenies who always post here have done anything to lower their own energy consumption? How many are now taking mass-transit? I'll bet not many. Its much easier to moan and complain and point the finger at George Bush, Halliburton, etc etc.

  • Posted By: ChristinaD @ 06/27/2008 10:33:30 PM

    My gawd, are we voting for the old ways which have shown themselves to be totally out of touch, or the future which calls upon our belief in the beauty of the American public? I vote for change!

  • Posted By: ayoss58 @ 06/28/2008 3:08:35 AM

    McCain's dril, drill, drill is more the same of the same old, sme old policy of George Bush.

    Green energy is the name of the new game in town. So Mccain still don't get it does he???.

    Over-dependence on one resource calls for diversification towards alternatives, a basic and rudimentary economic philosophy. Intensification of drilling only deepens the problem of dependence on the given resource, oil or fossil fuels.
    That's why McCain is totally wrong and absurd as far as energy policy is concerned. of course he doesn't understand even a first year economic theory!!!.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/28/2008 7:19:56 AM

      Don't fail to mention that McCain's plan does call for diversification
      Wind
      Solar
      Hydroelectric
      Nuclear
      "home grown" oil to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
      What Obama want to do...tax the oil companies, who will make up their bottom line by taxing their customers. Yeah that's a good plan alright. That more of the same of Jimmy Carter....it didn't work then, why is Obama stuck in the past?

      • Posted By: whala @ 06/28/2008 8:00:42 PM

        He's too young to remember what a fiasco that was, and apparently is not much of a history buff.

        • Posted By: Joe Z. @ 06/30/2008 3:44:44 PM

          John McCain wants to continue to give the oil companies corporate welfare - what a waste of taxpayer money! I remember when the Republicans used to say they were fiscally responsible and for the free market. Now they just steal money from taxpayers and give it to their rich corporate friends. Skip the middle man (the gas station attendant) and let McCain give your money directly to the oil companies - that's some Straight Talk (TM) for you.

    • Posted By: whala @ 06/28/2008 5:23:35 PM

      Unfortunately, it is Obama who apperently slept through ECON 101. His plan to fund energy development by increasing the price of gasoline in the form of higher taxes on oil companies only makes sense if the plan is to force the alternatives to become viable by driving the price of oil so high that the alternatives can compete. If that's the plan, he must be clicking his heels at the over speculation that has the price of oil through the roof right now.

      Of course, I'm sure that this plan would be challenged by the oil companies in court, as it is probably illegal to apply different tax rates based on industry. I really look forward to our situation when these oil companies move overseas because the taxes are less. That'll really help--especially since currently, the oil companies are the ones significantly investing in alternative energy development.

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/28/2008 6:24:28 PM

        That's what he wants. Remember when he said that the only problem with $4 a gallon gas was that the price rose too fast. He'd love $9 a gallon like in Europe.

  • Posted By: blmarlin @ 06/27/2008 9:05:13 AM

    OldGamer2007: "
    "I am an illiterate that has to rely on my wife for all of the assistance I can get." -John McCain after being asked whether he uses a Mac or a PC.

    As we waist trillions of dollars on the first ever unprovoked war in US history, the EU approves $1.5 Billion aid for the development of hydrogen cars.
    http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/05/eu-approves-15-billion-aid-for.html"

    Who's illiterate? As we waist? WAIST? Don't waste my time. Try again numnuts. NOBAMA '08

    • Posted By: OldGamer007 @ 06/27/2008 9:38:45 AM

      Englisch ist nicht meine Muttersprache, wie viele Sprachen können Sie sprechen?

      Didn't think so...

      • Posted By: NELEGER @ 06/29/2008 9:06:14 PM

        Estas loco chico, vete al carajo.
        Didn't think so...

  • Posted By: Lakeman29 @ 06/27/2008 10:51:17 AM

    Let me get this straight to you OSAMA supporters, BIG OIL that takes puts all the investment and takes all the risk in finding oil, drilling oil, transporting oil, refining oil, and at the same time creates THOUSANDS of high paying JOBS with great benefits... All to make a small 8-9% return on its investment is BAD and GREEDY. But yet BIG GOV'T that risks NOTHING AND INVESTS nothing into the business MAKES 19% (Fed taxes) and (State 15% plus 6% sales tax in Michigan) on every gallon, tht equates to a approx 43% WINDFALL PROFIT for BIG GOVT compared to 8-9% for not so big it appears oil. And then Oil companies pay BILLIONS in Tax on their profits for more money to the GOVT!!!! To put it in perspective if the oil company makes 10 Billion in profit (big number but still only 8-9% return), then the government has made 450billion PLUS OFF the oil companies in that same period. Who REALLY IS GREEDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: NELEGER @ 06/29/2008 8:58:57 PM

      Lakeman, I like you, but the government has made 450 billion plus of you and me. And Obama genius wants to take more of our money. What a great idea from the democrats!

    • Posted By: whala @ 06/27/2008 10:57:54 AM

      Ahh, looking at the REAL numbers. What a concept.

      • Posted By: Lakeman29 @ 06/27/2008 11:10:53 AM

        You children offer no insight, no response to the FACTS of where the MONEY goes. Just continue to make ridiculous, smart alec responses with no support, or intelligence. Exactly the same as your choice for president. Please keep it up. I know you don't need to be concerned with the price of gas, of food, of energy, because you do not need to purchase any of these items still living at homoe with mommy. but some of us are responsible for the livihood of 100 PLUS families and must be. I feel very sorry for you and individuals like you. Unfortunately there are way too many of you and way too many that vote (uniformed).

        • Posted By: bobbyb4n6 @ 06/27/2008 12:12:10 PM

          Stop bashing our military. The uniformed members of this country are protecting it Lakeman. Your continued bashing of the uniformed members serving our country is disturbing!!!

    • Posted By: Tracker500 @ 06/27/2008 10:57:43 AM

      Impeccable logic. Let's not confuse the victims of society. HaHaHaHa!!

  • Posted By: 1sky7 @ 06/28/2008 11:52:30 PM

    the energy and security are one line in one direction - the ability to create more safety conditions for this line give us the confidence of political decisions otherwise we only depend on war as basic idea for life as who say if god was non found all things can be allowed

  • Posted By: votewisely @ 06/27/2008 11:40:49 PM

    We all and I mean all of us have to start conserving and come together as one nation to confront this problem. We need to get rid of this notion of lberal or coservative or whatever else there is and deal wtih this oil problem head-on as one nation united. We might have to make some sacrifices, but why should we leave this problem to our children, or grandchildren. This message may sound corny, but it's the only way to deal with this.UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.

    • Posted By: whala @ 06/28/2008 12:16:45 AM

      That is so true. We seem to get so steeped in partisanship, that ALL energy is focused on tearing down the other side. Both sides get beat to death, and nothing get's accomplished. The reality is that on this issue, we all ultimately want the same thing, we just disagree on the right way to get there.

      That is why I get so frustrated with all of the Bush bashing that goes on. While I completely agree that Bush has made some real bone headed moves as president, he is still the man WE, the people, elected. As such, we have a duty to support him in his position. We the people have completely crippled our president for the last 3 years, and we are a nation wandering without leadership. We are reaping what we have sown because we have beaten up the president at every opportunity. It's no wonder he seems out of touch. Any one of us would be gun shy in his position, if every time you raised your head, you got slapped by all of America. If we elected the wrong man, shame on us--not him. It's one thing to disagree with him, but it's quite another to totally disrespect him. Yet we seem to dis him at every turn, and then wonder why we never have any really good candidates to choose from. For me, on this point , party does not (or at least should not) matter. I believe Obama will likely be our next President, and I will support him for better or worse, just as I have president Bush. Unfortunately, I believe one of America's great weaknesses is our people's overall lack of respect for each other, and for authority.

      • Posted By: bighead88 @ 06/28/2008 9:53:31 AM

        "he is still the man WE, the people, elected."

        That saying tends to leave a sour taste in my mind. Although I was a young teen at the time, didn't Bush lose the popular vote? Won through the electoral college. In my mind, 'WE, the people" did not elect him in that case. The electoral college did, which I support getting rid of. The electoral college may have worked out in at first, however as information is becomming more easily attainable, I beleive it is time to go to electing our president by popular vote.

        • Posted By: whala @ 06/28/2008 5:03:33 PM

          A few votes one way or the other is not the point. The point is that we seem to think we can just vote for whoever without informing ourselves, and then use the excuse that "I didn't vote for him" as justification for disrespecting him. Out of the millions of Americans, there are many who would make fantastic presidents, yet there is no incentive for them to subject themselves to such disrespect as every president in recent history has received. If we can't learn to respect the one we put in office, we will continue to have mediocre candidates to choose from. In Bush's case, we have not only disrespected him, we have destroyed him as a leader.

          • Posted By: bighead88 @ 06/28/2008 8:57:45 PM

            Added as I forgot:

            I do not blame us entirely for destroying Bush as a leader. He doomed himself. Any great leader needs to know when to admit he is wrong. Bush does not seem to have that part. He like to keep at things, only making them worse. All humans make mistakes. There is not a single one that is flawless. They also need to know when they step over the lines, which Bush has done on many cases during his presidency. He refuses to work with the democratic congress. I get rather tired of all the vetoing he is doing. The parties have the ability to work together, however what BOTH the democratic controlled congress and republican president seem to be doing is not working at all...

          • Posted By: bighead88 @ 06/28/2008 8:53:25 PM

            "we seem to think we can just vote for whoever without informing ourselves, and then use the excuse that "I didn't vote for him" as justification for disrespecting him. Out of the millions of Americans, there are many who would make fantastic presidents, yet there is no incentive for them to subject themselves to such disrespect as every president in recent history has received. If we can't learn to respect the one we put in office, we will continue to have mediocre candidates to choose from. In Bush's case, we have not only disrespected him, we have destroyed him as a leader."

            This is my third time re-typing this...
            (I have left stuff out or gone of course)

            I agree completely with you there. The relatively small amount of time I have spent on this planet I have noticed the rather pathetic amount of respect we have for each other. Many people do not wish to play the dirty game of politics. Then there are those who get drowned out by the media, who tend to spend a lot of time on the two main candidates. Americans are still in a democrate vs republican war. I thought the point of voting was to vote for those who best fit you? Not who the party picks. I beleive parties are the bane of our government, however I do not foresee us being without them. We have a wealth of information, unrestricted (for now) and abundant online. Easily accessable to most, to almost everyone attainable in some way. That is why I beleive the electoral college has passed its time. I view it as a way the founding fathers wanted to control elections, due largely to the rarity of information to the masses in their day. However that time has passed.

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/28/2008 6:27:06 PM

            Yet the Dem's want to elect another Bush in Obama. Bush said he would unite and failed. So has Obama. Bush was arrogant and had his swagger. Obama is arrogant and has his fist punch. Bush is from an Ivy League school just like Obama. Obama likes Bush's new FISA Bill too. The only difference is Bush is extreme right that played Left to get elected. Obama is extreme left that is playing right to get elected.

  • Posted By: whala @ 06/28/2008 8:48:40 PM

    This is off topic, but is a great quote from Abraham Lincoln:

    'Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged!!!

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/27/2008 7:03:20 PM

    Global warming, climat change - it won't be an issue if the world's oil supply is in decline.

    • Posted By: whala @ 06/27/2008 8:17:01 PM

      OK, I've been reading some more on this, and you are right. My numbers were wrong. The article I read previously led me to conclude that we have 21 billion barrels in our strategic reserve. That is not the case. We have 21 billion barrels in proven reserves, but that is oil still in the ground. Apparently, we only have about 720 million barrels in the strategic reserve. Sorry for the confusion. We could still, however follow my concept on a smaller scale. If we just stop adding to the strategic reserve, and use the revenue from that change, it would still provide a significant revenue stream for energy development.

      I am still curious about your reply from earlier where you said drilling for our own oil would only produce 10% of our demand. I have found little data on the projections regarding the rate at which we could harvest, and refine it. Do you know where such data can be found?

      Maybe we need to work more closely with Canada. They apparently have 9 times the oil that we have, and currently only produce half as much as we do. It seems that we should be able to work more closely with them without all of the trust issues we have with the middle east. Do you know if we have approached them with the idea of purchasing reserves from them?

      • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/27/2008 10:24:44 PM

        You know, Whala, I work in the oil biz for a major (not one of the top four, but close to the top)..and I get a lot of information from the engineers and geologists I work with. I can't think offhand where a good source could be for what you're asking. All I know is that when petroleum is so high-priced it drives down margins on the refining end of the business - and vice versa... conversely, when oil is high-priced, suddenly it makes more sense to tap into reserves buried miles beneath the earth's surface, whereas before the cost would have outweighed the benefits.

        I also know that our strategic reserves would only last us about 90 days, I think. So that's not a longer-term "stop-gap" though I see you've researched it now and see my point.

        There might be a good source of information for you if you were to contact one of the editors of an oil & gas publication (Houston) - Jeanne Perdue at Zeus Publishing, a chemical engineer herself and someone quite knowledgeable about all aspects of the business, is a writer and editor of Upstream Technology; she used to write for Hart's E&P. She might be a good person to email: jperdue@zeuspublishing.com.

        I have a source in the family - I'll ask him and see if he knows. Cheers - have a nice evening!

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/28/2008 6:31:15 PM

          Rocky Mountain Shale....at $40 a barrel it wasn't economically viable now at $130+ a barrel....its a gold mine.
          -http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5424033-
          A study by the Rand Corporation estimates the sedimentary rock in the corner where Utah borders Colorado and Wyoming holds about 800 billion barrels. That's three times the size of Saudi Arabia's oil reserves.

          "If the planets line up right and everyone supports it, this could be the oil capital of the world. Because there's enough to last us for a long, long time," Merrell says. "This is the most exciting entrepreneurial adventure in the nation right now."

    • Posted By: whala @ 06/27/2008 7:27:36 PM

      There is plenty of oil if we look at it as a temporary resource. It is estimated that there is enough oil in the shale layers of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming to last the US 110 years at current consumption. Obviously, there is a finite supply of oil, and it continues to become more expensive to get as the easy oil is mostly gone. We need to get serious about developing alternatives, but there is no reason we can't use oil revenue as a means to fund our energy development program if we would just create the revenue by releasing oil from reserves in the short term, and drilling for oil in the intermediate term.

      Failure to do this will make for a rather gloomy outlook for all of us.

      • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/27/2008 8:01:40 PM

        Where, may i ask, are you getting this information? I suspect it's from an industry source like API, which is in the pocket of Big Oil, along wiht CERA (Daniel Yergin's organization)...which, for some reason, keep promoting the idea that "there's plenty of oil, if only we could drill more and more and more.."

        The fact is, these areas have not yet been explored properly. It would still take another 10 years to get them into production, assuming your theory is correct. I seriously doubt that anybody has oil to supply us for another 110 years, that is just laughable if wasn't so foolish... no offense to you personally, but seriously, check into your sources of information and treat them witha little healthy skepticism...

        • Posted By: whala @ 06/27/2008 8:34:20 PM

          I don't recall for sure, but I believe the info on the shale oil came from an interview I heard with a shell execultive. Obviously, you have to consider the source, as there is mis-information out there, and we sometimes misunderstand the information out there as I did on the reserve quantities. The important thing is to find common ground on which we can agree, and work together for the common good.

      • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/27/2008 8:09:52 PM

        Not sure our strategic oil supply would last as long as we'd need it to, at the rate of our consumption. We may need it in future to fill in some really serious "gaps" so I would be more inclined to keep it for a while.

        What I'd rather see is Big Oil moving to do more exploration and production in North America, in the US, so I'm with you there. If they could focus efforts on Bakken, I bet that would help us out enormously. So far, only the "little guys" - the independents - and Marathon are really involved in Bakken. And perhaps you're right - there is lots of oil in the other states you mention - but I think it's already being produced and there isn't enough to wean us off imporing the bulk of our petroleum.

        We really need to come together (forget about liberals, conservatives, etc.) and try to understand this issue better - and communicate to the public at large about it. The oil companies do a piss-poor job of it, as they'r eall engineering types! Anyhow, we need major change and fast....

  • Posted By: objectivedemocrat @ 06/27/2008 8:04:26 PM

    Has Nuclear energy as a viable power source evolved enough that Nuclear waste is less of an issue? It seems now safety of it's use is a moot point... but Obama's concerns towards the power source seemed more focused on Waste disposal.

    The fact that a misleading ad was put out over this concern speaks volumes for McCain being out of touch with the real problems facing the nation, and that is giving him the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't just a blantant smear against Obama. As for this 'bounty' of 300 million... wouldn't that be better spent on actual development? The person or persons that manages to perfect an efficient car battery would have no problems making a mint off of it... That seems counter-productive to me.

    I've noticed a few well read people posting on the subject and it seems I might be able to get a better response than "Joo lik Osama so u r dum."

    • Posted By: whala @ 06/27/2008 8:54:41 PM

      Obviously, the waste is a concern. But then all energy production has the same concern, the "not in my back yard" syndrome.

      As for McCain's campaign ads, that's the same kind of exaggerations he used against Romney to solidify his position as the GOP nominee. To me, as a Republican, I find it in poor taste--especially from someone who represents himself as a straight talker. It certainly does not represent the party well. Out of all the GOP candidates, I'm still pretty disappointed that McCain is the one we put up. On the other side, I have equal reservations about Obama. So I am waiting for one of these guys to actually show me something I can believe in.

      The 300 million prize for developing a battery could be effective if it actually gets people to work on it to get it done. It's hard to dispute the effectiveness of a carrot so long as there are those close enough to be lured by it. If the government just spends the 300 million without having it be a carrot could just be a relative waste of 300 million.

      • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/27/2008 10:18:20 PM

        At first, I thought the $300mm prize offered by McCain sounded great. Then someone in my family said that it was probably only going to be won by a major corporation like Exxon or GM or some entity with plenty of engineers, brain power and resources. Then I saw it more as a subsidy, almost, or a little "incentive" and now I'm just hoping someone does it, and we can replace all cars and trucks with new hybrid-type electric-powered cars in the next few years. But I'm totally dreaming....

        • Posted By: whala @ 06/27/2008 11:24:49 PM

          Good point. While it would certainly make a great story for the guy down the street working in his garage to win it, but it probably won't happen that way. I completely agree, if offering the incentive gets it done, I'm all for it--even if it is a big corp. Obviously, the idea as proposed is only a concept of what McCain would do if he were elected, and will need to be further defined if it were to become a real offer. I doubt McCain will win this election anyway, so it probably doesn't matter.

          While I'm no Obama supporter, I think America really needs some time under Democratic leadership again, in order to get over the extreme partisan division caused by the war and current economic conditions. Having one party in power for an extended time only seems to fuel division and contempt. While it has only been 8 years of a Republican presidency, it seems like an eternity with all that has happened since the turn of the century.

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 06/28/2008 6:28:18 PM

            No it probably will be invented by some grad student at MIT. In that case, that 300 Million will go along way.

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/27/2008 10:31:41 PM

      Nuclear is used in France and Japan, as Thevail states above, and elsewhere on the European continent. I have to think it's been developed and improved, but I'm absolutely no expert on that topic these days... I like to think it's safer now than ever before and I know it's clean. I think even some of the most thoughtful environmentalists are seeing it as one of a handful of solutions "on the table" - there was one such fellow on Meet the Press last Sunday, or maybe it was the Stefanopolous show on Sunday - he had a great panel of energy experts along with Kay Bailey Hutchison, who unfortunately only mouthed the same tired old messages of the most inane Republicans... but there were one or two BRILLIANT panelists that morning who had some really eye-opening information to share. I think George (Stefanopolous) said he'd have some more discussions on the energy topic soon, but that's all I really know. Sorry!

  • Posted By: ayoss58 @ 06/28/2008 2:54:09 AM

    Can any sane and rational person take Mccain's drill, drill, drill til doomsday seriously???.

    Granted even the most optimistic scenerio, will McCain achieve energy independence in 10, 15 even 30 years from now, Nope!!!.

    More troubling is McCain's ill-conceived and ill-informed embrace of building unsafe and unclean nuclear plants. Notwithstanding the fact that all of McCain's energy proposals will not make a tent on the high gas prices; which by the way, is the energy problem at hand.
    So what's McCain real goal?. Certainly not energy independence even by the stretch of the imagination. His real objective and goal is to pander to the big oil fat-cats to soar-up his flattering fundraising.If Bush did it so why not me Mccain ???. So thinks Mccain, the Bush poor immitator!!!.
    Well, let Mccain rant and rage about drilling, drilling and drilling; who cares nobody is listening because he is redundant and irrelevant, the old fool!!!.

    • Posted By: whala @ 06/28/2008 5:32:10 PM

      Your comment about taking McCain seriously led me to one conclusion. Obviously, we can't take YOU seriously, as your comment is grossly exaggerated bashing, and serves no constructive purpose. So if your goal was to marginalize yourself, you succeeded.

  • Posted By: bikerjimjr @ 06/28/2008 9:20:08 AM

    This sounds so great, but so does "until death do you part". How can we rely on this guy? Sure he chose to serve his political agenda instead of serving his family. Maybe he figured with his wife's millions, that his children didn't need a daddy in the house. Maybe he figured that his wife didn't need his support when she miscarried his children. Maybe. But then, when does that "Maybe" stop? Will he dicide that our country does not need his leadership because he will only be in office 4 or 8 years and there is "so much to do" that he not be there when our nation is in the middle of a miscarriage? I appreciate his "plans", but want to really know that he will be there for us, and I doubt that he will be. Did he teach his children how to ride a bicycle? If not, how is he going to teach us to be more energy-effective? I love this country of ours, and I am tired of "agendas" being pushed onto us as Americans just so we will overlook the truth of the matter, which I believe is this man is not right for the Job of President of America, unless he is going to be a poster child for the "baby's daddy syndrome".

  • Posted By: dvbenz79 @ 06/28/2008 6:42:12 AM

    I want to know if McCain or Obama will push to repeal the "Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000".

    That's what's caused this whole mess and this should be everyone's top issue on choosing a candidate.

  • Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 06/27/2008 1:26:36 PM

    Posted By: whala @ 06/27/2008 1:17:10 PM

    It is the American people who quit caring about alternative energy because gas prices went down. Stop blaming the government for your own irresponsibility. We've had 50 MPG cars ever since the 70's,

    iT IS THE INTER-GOVERNMENTAL FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF ALLOWING ACCESS TO OUR MARKETS IN RETURN FOR BASE LOCATIONS IN CRITICAL PARTS OF THE mID EAST THAT LEAD TO ARTIFICAL LOW OIL PRICING , BUT THIS TREND SHOULD HAVE BEEN BEING ALLOWED TO EVOLVE WITH A bACKUP ENERGY RESOURCE THAT WOULD HAVE LEFT US ALL WITH AN ALTERNATIVE , INSTEAD OF BEING CONSOLIDATED RIGHT DOWN TO A SINGLE SOURCE ENERGY POLICY LIKE WE HAVE NOW , THAT HAS BECOME THE TARGET OF NATIONS THAT ARE HOLDERS OF THESE OIL FIELDS AND SEE THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING ABLE TO CRUSH OTHER COUNTRIES ECONOMIES , IF THEY CAN GAIN CONTROL OVER A VAST MAJORITY OF WORLD SUPPLY , HENSE THE UNION THATS TRYING TO FORM BETWEEN RUSSIA , IRAN SYRIA AND HUGO CHAVEZ , IF THIS UNION AND CONTROL OVER THESE AREAS OIL RESOURCES HAPPENS , WHAT DO YOU THINK OIL PRICE ON THE WORLD MARKET WILL BE THEN ?????????

    • Posted By: whala @ 06/27/2008 1:42:03 PM

      I completely agree that we should have been developing alternatives. Oh wait, we have. We have researched many alternatives, and found them all to be less cost effective than the ones we currently use. You seem to think that the government owes us alternative technology. That's not the purpose of government. Government's job is to keep us from abusing each other while we figure it out. So stop blaming the government for our lack of determination to push for alternative energy.

      • Posted By: dvbenz79 @ 06/28/2008 6:30:16 AM

        Our government has blocked many fuel alternatives. They've subsidized big oil and corn growers for decades.

    • Posted By: whala @ 06/27/2008 1:43:13 PM

      What kind of car did you say you have driven for the last 30 years?

  • Posted By: ecowiz @ 06/27/2008 1:03:48 PM

    In the 70's, Jimmy Carter pushed for and initiated alternative energy sources, and the American people immediately voted Ronny Reagan, another oldie, for president, who immediately killed all alternative energy businesses like solar. Had Carter remained for a second term, our technologies within this industry would have advanced and evolved, painting a brighter future. Ronny was a product of another era, and so is McWar.

    Maturity poses no answers as only the quality of the maturation counts. War-loving McWar's worldview and intellect is still stuck in the 50's flag-waving, brainwashed, goin' blow everyone off the map that doesn't want democracies, freedoms and gloreis, kinda thinking.

    Conversely, regardless of age, intellectually Obama possesses the superior intellect, worldview and maturation, but stand guard -- just like in the 70's, Americans will elect another brain steeped in the 50's. Obama's level of consciousness is higher than McWar's, Mc Mass Murder.


    • Posted By: neocon @ 06/27/2008 1:23:19 PM

      Just want we need a return to the Carter years, gas lines, double digit inflation. Sounds like fun to me. Why is it that people can't give Senator McCain his proper repect? Like him or not he has EARNED it, both in the senate and defending this country. If you have problems have problems with his ideas and leave the name calling out of it.

      I have problems with Obama's ideas but not the man.

      • Posted By: dvbenz79 @ 06/28/2008 6:22:15 AM

        McCain never defended the USA.

      • Posted By: bobhus @ 06/27/2008 1:31:26 PM

        McCain???s ideas are idiotic. It is not the man; it is his thinking is old and outdated. McCain, like Bush have never had an original thought

        • Posted By: neocon @ 06/27/2008 1:51:08 PM

          I would have to disagree. Sen. Obama speaks a good game and can motivate a crowd like no one I've seen in a long time. But, when I look at what he proposes every single one of them are pie in the sky or will dig deeper in my pocket. when I add up my total tax bill for the year between all the federal taxes, state taxes and local I pay in the area of 42% of my pay in taxes. I can't AFFORD a president Obama.

          • Posted By: itsjustanillusion @ 06/27/2008 2:59:59 PM

            And I can't afford a president McCain and the war he wants to continue. I can't afford gas, or food. Pretty soon I won't be able to afford to flush the toilet because a republican president will tax me for each flush. What I rather spend my money on is something new and original. Obama has sound ideas, a new way of thinking, something fresh to bring to the table. Not the same old BS that republicans have been shoving down our throats for years forcing the people to swallow. Why not hire someone who has not been brainwashed by the political machine. People, change is good.

            OBAMA 08'

          • Posted By: breakoutofthebox @ 06/27/2008 2:44:51 PM

            Oh right, cuz the multi hundred trillion dollar debt caused by Bush and his "borrowing" for the war won't dig into your pocket deeper. Oh, that's right, McCain intends (and has said so) to continue the "borrowing" so that he isn't man enough to be the big bad guy and tell the world what the real bill is, while asking that it finally be paid. He's 71, yep. Experience does it all. Well, that means he's had years and years to stand up and get congressmen and women to back him up (that is when he actually believed in something different) and he didn't succeed. There's his track record. Experience laying down and letting the train roll right over him. I don't know if Obama will have the same problem or not. It's also why I didn't want Clinton. This country is very disillusioned by our government and they are many are searching for someone to lead us out of the muck and mire we're in. I don't want a big businessman running our governmment, I don't want an "experienced" person who has done nothing to stop the government from getting us in the mess in the first plaqce.

      • Posted By: Jurr @ 06/27/2008 1:47:15 PM

        People are lining up to go over the border where gas is federally controlled & is up to $2 cheaper a gallon. Inflation currently is out of control as the dollar plummets. We are locked in one war in Afghan that we can't win due to lack of resources because we started a second war that is unwinnable except to the oil companies now in position to get lucrative Iraqi contracts. That is what is happening under your precious conservative leadership of Bush & Cheney AND McCain who voted in their favor 95% of the time.

        McCain is not change unless you count his polka dot flip-flops.

      • Posted By: bobhus @ 06/27/2008 1:32:07 PM

        McCain???s ideas are idiotic. It is not the man; it is his thinking is old and outdated. McCain, like Bush have never had an original thought

    • Posted By: Givemeabreak @ 06/27/2008 1:36:26 PM

      I'll second that sentiment. The Dems seem to be like children: Obama's supporters on this list hurled nicknames at Hillary, Hillary's do the same to Obama. Both can't seem to spell Mr. McCain's name correctly. It's not McSame, McWar, McMass Murder, etc.

      Funny that an article about the maturity of a man's energy policy brings out the most immature commentary.
      Like children on a playground, you can't speak respectfully to those with whom you disagree.
      Democrats seem to go for the same story each election cycle (the Republican is a moron, the Democrat is a genius). All the while, the rank and file Dems show the most juvenile behavior.

      You can't help it, I suppose, it seems inherent to the left. Two good examples:
      1) Government does for the people, like parents for their children. No personal responsibilty - it's a "feed me" kind of thinking. We see it everytime someone posts, "why hasn't the government done something?"
      2) The whole superdelegate setup is proof that even the Dem party doesn't trust the maturity of its rank and file; they need more experienced superdelegates to protect the process from wayward voters who might elect the wrong person. The GOP doesn't have this.
      3) Ever heard someone refer to himself as a "yellow dog" Republican? Nope. They wouldn't be stupid enough to be proud of voting lock-step with a party, even if it meant voting for a dog over a thinking human from the opposite party. Only a Democrat would be proud of this kind of blind, unthinking loyalty. You mention "50s kinda thinking - I think the Democratic party's version of "Be true to your school" more exemplifies the backward thinking in American politics.

      If you want it all handed to you, fine. We'll disagree. But stop acting so arrogantly, as if you're the only one who's given anything a thought, and for Heaven's sake, try to be more civil.

    • Posted By: whala @ 06/27/2008 1:17:10 PM

      One more great thing you forgot to mention, was that when Carter was president, we also had run away inflation and 18% mortgage rates. Life was great??

      It is the American people who quit caring about alternative energy because gas prices went down. Stop blaming the government for your own irresponsibility. We've had 50 MPG cars ever since the 70's, but I would be willing to bet you haven't been driving one since then.

  • Posted By: Lakeman29 @ 06/27/2008 10:08:29 AM

    Interesting we have many teenagers blogging, and lying, for Osama. The facts are there are enough reserves in Alaska and offshore U.S. (yes we would then have the largest reserves in the WORLD), to supply our needs at current usage levels, for 70 (yesw SEVENTY) years W/O importing ONE (yes 1) barrel of oil. It will only take approx 3 years to get that oil on the U.S. market and would offer immeadiate releif in price pressures. If S.A. really thought thr US was going to flood the market with cheaper oil waht do you think they would start dong TODAY???? They would pump much more to get the higher prices and prices would drop TODAY... This would also allow us the needed time to develop alternative energy sources that even the most ardent supporter say are DECADES away. And one last comment: U.S. is the S.A. of the world of coal and we now have the technology to turn coal into gas at $2 a gallon, AND we have enough coal to supply the U.S. needs at current usage for 700 YEARS... Quit lying, check the facts, all this is true and verifiable.

    • Posted By: dvbenz79 @ 06/28/2008 5:44:21 AM

      When will you ignorant fools learn that this is not a supply and demand problem. This all goes back to the deregulation of the energy futures markets in 2000. REMEMBER ENRON??? Futures market speculators are trading stockpiles of "paper oil" that they will never exercise. They have run up the market on fake demand and will continue to do so until they are stopped.

    • Posted By: OldGamer007 @ 06/27/2008 10:17:19 AM

      Check out fuelcells.org. Those alternative energy sources that you think needs to be developed, were developed over thirty years ago. But thanks to big oil companies buying out patents on alternative fuels to ward of competition, people like yourself are stuck arguing what equates to the model-T when it comes to energy.

      • Posted By: Lakeman29 @ 06/27/2008 10:22:45 AM

        People like you are uniformed, ridulous and just make me laugh. That technology is YEARS away from being effectivew for the typical US consumers needs. Also BIG OIL did not stop anay technology. The World is too small a place now. Can you imagine the RICHES ANYONE would get that could solve our energy CRISIS? There are Dozens of Dozens of countries and companies that Are working on the solution and would LOVE to amrket it once they have it. It (the solution) just hasn't been developed, YET. Use some common intelligence.

        • Posted By: bobbyb4n6 @ 06/27/2008 12:15:35 PM

          Please leave me and the fellow members of the Armed Services (fact....after Ron Paul, Barack Obama is the political candidate who has received the highest dollar amount of donations from active duty military...what does that tell you about the war) alone. You keep bashing the uniformed folks!!

        • Posted By: OldGamer007 @ 06/27/2008 10:38:40 AM

          Uninformed? Funny how that same technology is what got us to mars. But then again, as a retired contractor from LARC, I wouldn't expect you to know, being you couldn't get the clearance to see toilets I have sat on.

          So, keep being the oil companies little crack head with your partisan name calling, I'm sure they'll send you a check...

  • Posted By: whala @ 06/27/2008 11:47:32 PM

    Ultimately, I believe solar will become the answer once we figure out more efficient ways to conert it. I don't know the accuracy of this, but I've heard that there is enough solar energy that shines on the city of phoenix to provide all of the energy needs of the entire US. Obviously, there is plenty of energy, but efficiency of conversion, and cost effectiveness has a way to go.

    Anyway, I have to go.

    Goodnight all,

    It's been great.

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/27/2008 10:58:35 PM

    LIKEITIS: YOU HAVE YOUR CAPS-LOCK TURNED ON. IT"S VERY ANNOYING.

    Could you please stick to the topic at hand, if you don't mind? We are discussing oil, nuclear and energy policy on this post, not Indians and White Europeans... Not sure where you're coming from!

  • Posted By: OBWan @ 06/27/2008 9:39:21 PM

    Do they still have a drought in the SE? What is the water level at the intake for the coolant? In case nobody knows nuclear takes huge amounts of water for cooling.

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