Reducing Abortions

I wonder how many people out there are Pro-Life (About abortions) but are also for (Euthanasia) in cases of brain trauma of the neo cortex (Personality death,permanent coma)

The two issues seem to be intertwined to me, if most Anti-Abortion people are pro-Euthanasia then both sides of the isle may one day be able to settle their differences.

If however most Anti-Abortion people are against Euthanasia (On the grounds that the mind is not needed to make life sacred) I really do not see for the two sides will ever come to a compromise both are happy with.

The Pro Abortion people will never want to give up their right to an abortion for a fetus they do not consider "alive", while the Pro Life people will always view (even early term abortions) as murder.

Willis makes some good points... However, this two sided issue is a pro-chioice situation bottom line.

Birth-contol & sex education & ppl taking resonsibility is the big issue....

Jim Wallis makes some excellent points and has proposed a sane foundation for the beginning of a new cooperative effort in reducing abortions. He misses just one tiny detail - abortions are big business. Planned Parenthood posted in its 2007 fiscal year end report that it brought in more than $1 billion performing nearly 290,000 abortions.

Since Planned Parenthood performs one-fourth of all abortions in the U.S., one could extrapolate that the entire abortion industry took in $4 billion in revenue last year. That doesn't count the tens of millions of dollars raised by pro-choice organizations to fund their efforts, their candidates and their lobbyists - dollars that are raised by continually raising the spector of women losing "control of their own bodies" and their "right to choose". If both sides came together to reduce the number of abortions, the pro-choice side would lose the element of life threatening urgency in their fundraising - and they would erode the more than $4 billion they make every year in their main line of business.

Unless Mr. Wallis can figure out a way to replace $4 billion in annual revenue through adoption fees, I think he will be hard pressed to get much cooperation from the abortion industry and its many lobbying arms.

Comment: Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/05/2008 10:58:21 AM
Comment: Barack Obama had the right as a U.S. Senator to go to look at Iraq. He did not. Then, one of his big vote getters was a promise to get us the hell out of Iraq. Now, nominated, he plans to go to Iraq to see if he needs to change his mind. I voted for him principally because he promised to get us the hell out of there. If he goes there and comes back to endorse staying there, then I reserve the right to flush my Obama vote down the toilet.

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Radical and Socialist Influences:

Saul Alinsky
Bill Ayers
Carl Davidson
Frank Marshall Davis
Democratic Socialists of America
Bernardine Dohrn
Gamaliel Foundation
New Party
Socialist Scholars Conference


Political Allies and Advisors:

Ali Abunimah
Mohamed Salim Al-Churbaji
David Axelrod
Gregg Craig
Jim Johnson
Marilyn Katz
Anthony Lake
Robert Malley
Alice Palmer
Eli Pariser
George Soros
Cass Sunstein
Dorothy Tillman
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Tim Wheeler


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Louis Farrakan
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James Meeks
Rev. Otis Moss
Rev. Michael Pfleger
Rev. Al Sharpton
Jim Wallis
Rev. Jeremiah Wright


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Arab American Action Network
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International Crisis Group
MoveOn
National Council of La Raza
Planned Parenthood Federation of America
Project Vote
Sojourners


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Rashid Khalidi
Edward Said
Cornel West


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Woods Fund of Chicago


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From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'
From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

WELL HE FLIP FLOPPED AGAIN NOW ABOUT ABORTION !!!

Refer to these votes by Obama if you are looking for proof...
2001 IL Senate Bill 1095, Born Alive Infant Protection Act --Obama voted NO

2002 IL Senate Bill 1662, Born Alive Infant Protection Act --Obama voted NO

2003 IL Senate Bill 1082, Born Alive Infant Protection Act --Obama finally got the bill from the senate as he was the chaired of the health and human services committee. He held on the Bill and make sure it would not come up for a comittee vote.

This is the sort of radical ultra left stands he takes that frightens me.....who would vote against ensuriing life saving protocols for infants borned alive even...if it was during and abort process gone wrong. Who? who would do this? Why would you kill a child who have made it alive into the world against all odds.....what is the humane justification?

I have an idea that will eliminate unwanted pregnancies all together. It may not be popular, but it would be effective. Why don't we just give all men vasectamies? They are reversable if a man decided down the road to have a child. If he had to go through a painful surgery to have children, maybe condoms wouldn't seem quite so "uncomfortable." We could even require potential parents to get licensed before having the surgery. Of course the surgery would be free to people who have a parent license. We don't want to discriminate against the poor after all. Those who don't want to have their own can adopt from over-populated countries. Everybody's happy.

KOOL-AID??????..From the kitchen of the obama sheeple!! take one heaping spoonful of an inexperienced elitist white male seeking self validation through exploitation of his african-american genetics. Combine two parts black liberation theology clerics spewing intolerance! With two parts of unrepentant intellectuals committed to the destruction of America. Stir in one cup of militant black wife harboring the overwhelming desire to stick it to whitey and one spoonful of typical white person grandmother mix well. Pour a gallon of anti-patriotism into tall glasses and sprinkle with naïve foreign policy ideations. Serve on a platter of meaningless oratorical hyperbole with a generous dollop of wealth re-distribution. Sprinkle liberally with zest of white guilt flip it and flop it till it tastes right. Serve large portions to the undiscerning and spellbound masses convinced that the Second Coming is upon America and now you have a complete recipe for disaster!

NARAL is being dishonest,in bringing the language of the wolf in a peaceable sheeps clothing. While few can argue that the idea is to have fewer abortions,through,as MACLEAN observed, low cost contraceptives or reversable vasectomies,NARAL also engages[especially when its president was Kate Michelman] in moving the trimester football down the field into an abortion-on-demand goalline which goes beyond even the scope of the original ROE decision. Or,abortion beyond the third trimester.NARAL was called on its dishonesty during a House committee hearing in 1997 which was then arguing over late-term abortions called DxX [Dilation and Extraction],by the one side and ''partial-birth abortion''by the other. During these hearings NARAL made the medically unexpert claim that such fetuses in a six-seven-month range[beyond the Third],do not feel pain under anathesia while the surgery is being performed. Doctors from the American Medical Assn. The American Society of Anathesioligists,and even the president of a medical organization of abortion providers all called NARALS claims false. An already barbaric procedure,opposed by fully 70% of Americans,was being wrapped in a pretty bow by NARAL and real doctors were not buying.
Abortions by demand in the third trimester are no differant than 2nd Amendment supporters demanding to buy rocket-launchers and machine guns. It is the totality of their demands that are placing this issue into hot debate between the sides. Nor is PP any help here as it has already been found guilty in several states of working outside of state law in getting abortions for victims of rape without the required notification to authorities.[Let alone parents].
Thus,pro-lifers must include the ideal of contraception,cheap and low cost as a means to prevent unwanted pregnancy,and disavow any and all persons using or promoting violence against those who have been granted,as a portion of the ROE decision,a right to terminate their pregnancies.
Pro-choicers must end their dishonesty and stop trying to act as medical experts when they clearly are not,adhere to the laws of the state where they operate,and remain within the confines of ROE and quit attempting to advocate abortions on a thing that is no longer a thing,a ''zygote''or even a ''fetus''as we know it,but a being with a functioning heart and brain,feet and limbs,and a respitory system ready to accept the air of the outside world,a being that most certainly,can feel pain.

The best, easiest and smartest way to promote abortion reduction is to promote easily accessible, low-cost contraception. Period.

Let's expose this rhetoric for what it is:"easier adoption" is a euphemism for abortion restriction - adoption is difficult emotionally, and always has been, but it is legally quite easy. Putiing the emphasis on "easier adoption" will not reduce the number of abortions but it certainly makes for a distraction of the real issues, and allows the far right to avoid any real discussion, or responsiblity for abortion reduction.

Abstinence only sex education in the schools is counter to abortion reduction. Pharmacists refusing to prescribe morning-after medications because of their "moral" values is counter to abortion reduction. Denying funding from a clinic that provides contraception because they also perform abortions is counter to abortion reduction.

Yes, abortion reduction is something we can all get behind, nobody thinks abortion is wonderful. And dialogue, true dialogue, would be welcome. However, the pro-life movement has been behind abortion reduction for some time now - it is the hard line conservative right that has placed obstacles in the path of those who would support abortion reduction.