Who Was More Important: Lincoln or Darwin?

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  • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 01/07/2009 10:07:32 PM

    I don't think that either wins. First, how has Darwin's theories advnced us today? Albert Einstein is far more important than Darwin. One of Darwin's cousins, Thomas Huxley, dismissed Darwin's Theory as a excuse to have no mores or values. In other words, without God this gives humans a reason to have no rules on behavior. Interestingly, Huxley was agnostic. Nevertheless, Huxley has proven that Darwin really was of no value. I remember reading "Inherit the Wind." All I got out of this was that columnist H.L. Mencken who came to Dayton, Tennessee to cover the Scopes Monkey Trial seemed to get great pleasure in making fun of evengelical Christians. If evolutionists were as open minded as they claim to be they would have no problem with people discussing creationism. I will agree with Dr. Garry about Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln was not really interested in freeing slaves. The "Emancipation" Proclamation only applied to slaves in Confederate States because :Lincoln did not want to offend slaveowners in Union state such as Kentucky or Maryland.

  • Posted By: Dr Garry @ 01/01/2009 4:47:34 AM

    Have to go with Darwin.

    Without denigrating the man's achievements, I think that Americans tend to project them on to the rest of the world. Lincoln was an important US president with titanic domestic issues. The rest of the world was resolving the horror/problem of slavery at its own pace. eg Britain abolished slavery decades before the USA. And I've never understood the Emancipation Proclamation. My reading of this is that it (purported) to abolish slavery in the rebelling states, not those in Lincoln's USA. Huh? Tell me if I'm wrong guys, but isn't this like Zimbabwe passing a law that says that it abolishes slavery everywhere on earth except in Zimbabwe? And I'm sure I read somewhere that Lincoln said he didn't care whether slavery was abolished or not, as long as the Union was preserved.

  • Posted By: Betsy3491 @ 12/30/2008 9:39:05 PM

    There were more coincidences than those included in the article. Go here

    http://www.ellenjackson.net/lincoln_and_darwin_77477.htm

  • Posted By: Betsy3491 @ 12/30/2008 9:38:09 PM

    There are even more coincidences. I listed some of them on my web page here:

    http://www.ellenjackson.net/lincoln_and_darwin_77477.htm

  • Posted By: Cajie @ 07/14/2008 7:27:48 PM

    Neither - No not Darwin and NO not Lincoln. Lincoln was a war monger who murdered his own people. Darwin denies GOD and his theories or still just theories.

    • Posted By: nmlane @ 09/10/2008 2:37:16 PM

      Not everyone believes in God and Gravity is a theory too, do you believe in it? Also Lincoln was fighting for equal rights, you make it sound like he just started a war for no good reason.

  • Posted By: MichaelT @ 07/27/2008 11:07:28 PM

    Your perspective is very US-centric. As an Australian, I admire Lincoln, but he has had very little impact on my life. Whereas Darwin shaped the intellectual framework in whcih we all live. He developed his theory to a far greater extent than Wallace. And who is to say that another politican might not have taken up the ant-slavery cause if Lincoln had not been there.

  • Posted By: bluefreedom @ 07/21/2008 6:50:49 PM

    The author's conclusion that Lincoln was the more important man is based mostly on the idea that Darwin's idea of evolution by natural selection was about to be revealed by at least one other contemporary; A.R. Wallace, whereas Lincoln was simply irreplaceable. While I can accept this argument, perhaps it is of more interest to point out how radically new Darwin's contribution was to this planet, and also how Darwin's contribution (Evolution by Natural Selection) was much better defined than Lincoln's. Darwin's idea was so fantastically radical because it served to forever put man in his place. Although Lincoln's championing of equality is often held up as his lasting legacy it was the preservation of the Union that was his ultimate goal. Certainly, ideas of racial equality had existed long before Lincoln, in other centuries and in other countries. It is also certain that many of his contemporaries had arrived at this conclusion independently, whereas with Darwin there was but one; Wallace, and he a full 20 years after Darwin. Without wishing to diminish Lincoln's legacy I believe his contributions are of more significance domestically, whereas Darwin's idea of evolution by means of natural selection has far more universal implications. Perhaps its universality can be best illustrated by understanding that evolution not only explains species proliferation, but also lends a hand to the emancipation movement by providing evidence for racial equality.

  • Posted By: bluefreedom @ 07/21/2008 6:20:02 PM

    Excellent article. A note to those postings on here who claim Darwin's contributions were "theoretical". Apparently your estimation of this word is that it is merely an unproven idea, but this cannot be further from the truth. Scientists use the word theory to describe many different kinds of ideas; the gravitational theory for example. I'm sure most people believe gravity exists. Similarly the Theory of Evolution is solidified in virtually-undisputed acceptance amongst the scientific community and enlightened minds the world over. Creationists often attempt to undermine it by saying it is but a theory, and in so doing completely miss the point that like the theory of gravitation this idea is rock solid, metaphorically speaking.

  • Posted By: quadrot @ 07/11/2008 6:33:50 PM

    Both men were great. Lincoln was very important to the United States. Darwin was very important to humanity. As the author states, comparing greatness in these two men is like comparing apples and oranges. However, if forced to chose, only Americans would elect Lincoln over Darwin. Lincoln was one of the last statesmen in the world to abolish slavery. Darwin was the first proponent of the theory of evolution.

  • Posted By: jane.simpson.wilson @ 07/10/2008 2:06:18 PM

    Both men were obviously gifted and visionaries who were ahead of their time and crippled by it as well. I also agree with the apples and oranges context of Geodesici7. You begin your study of Lincoln and Darwin based on the revelation that they shared the same birthday. Where was the Editor? On Vacation? I just know that if I had tried that in Prep School or University, I would have been sent packing back to my dorm with a big red REWRITE. at the top.

  • Posted By: dukeitout @ 07/09/2008 7:43:45 PM

    I couldn't get beyond the title of the article. How stupid. What's the point. They are both extremely important except to Old Confederate sympathizers and literate monkeys that believe they should be higher on the evolutionary ladder than you and I.

  • Posted By: The Insect Man @ 07/09/2008 5:01:07 PM

    Evolution is more impossible than the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Headless Horseman. See
    http://www.lifescienceprize.org/ for a list of bluffing evolutionists.

  • Posted By: Geodesic17 @ 07/09/2008 4:36:38 PM

    I suspect that Newsweek will soon feature a cover article that says: Which is better, the apple or the orange?

    Then you could devote 3 pages or more to analyzing which is better and then suddenly jump to the conclusions that apples are better.

  • Posted By: hgi11@aol.com @ 07/08/2008 10:51:36 PM

    Why was this a story in your magazine? Let alone a cover story? How is American ignorance of current events and of the world in general to be broken when you headline absurd articles like this one? It is articles such as this that force me to read The Economist and watch BBC World. Because the American news outlet does not provide me or anyone else with sufficient relevant information.

  • Posted By: hgi11@aol.com @ 07/08/2008 10:49:50 PM

    Why was this a story in your magazine? Let alone a cover story? How is American ignorance of current events and of the world in general to be broken when you headline absurd articles like this one? It is articles such as this that force me to read The Economist and watch BBC World. Because the American news outlet does not provide me or anyone else with sufficient relevant information.

  • Posted By: hgi11@aol.com @ 07/08/2008 10:49:47 PM

    Why was this a story in your magazine? Let alone a cover story? How is American ignorance of current events and of the world in general to be broken when you headline absurd articles like this one? It is articles such as this that force me to read The Economist and watch BBC World. Because the American news outlet does not provide me or anyone else with sufficient relevant information.

  • Posted By: hgi11@aol.com @ 07/08/2008 10:48:07 PM

    Why was this a story in your magazine? Let alone a cover story? How is American ignorance of current events and of the world in general to be broken when you headline absurd articles like this one? It is articles such as this that force me to read The Economist and watch BBC World. Because the American news outlet does not provide me or anyone else with sufficient relevant information.

  • Posted By: stottieba@hotmail.com @ 07/03/2008 6:58:01 PM

    jamie28....Darwin spent over 20 years researching and revising his theories and didn't decide to publish until Wallace contacted him to review his paper. I don't know what conspiracy books you have read, but "A Delicate Arrangement" sounds like one. Wallace was an important scientist, but you can't just pull "The Origin of the Species" out of a hat in haste. Both independently arrived at the same conclusions, Wallace just happens to not have been the one chosen for the effigies of the religious right.

    • Posted By: jamie28 @ 07/04/2008 5:26:03 PM

      I would not ordinarily respond to what appears to be close-minded comments, but it sounds like you might benefit from reading the book I mentioned, and others might want to know that it's written by a respected author. Also, I don't want to engage in the religious discussion and playground insults as this article is about Lincoln and Darwin, and I would rather see others discuss the scholarship on Lincoln. But everyone's an expert on religion (or so we think), and my generation has been completely indoctrinated in the tenets of the national religion of Evolution, so it's a hot topic! : )

      Interesting that you say Darwin didn't decide to publish until contacted by Wallace to review his paper. This is the subject of "A Delicate Arrangement." I'm not saying Darwin didn't study and pursue his theories independently, but to understand the whole story of Darwin and Wallace's relationship, you ought to read the book. To call it conspiracy without having read it says you would rather find an easy escape from dealing with uncomfortable facts. The author of "A Delicate Arrangement" was a foreign correspondent and bureau chief of the United Press, staff writer for NY Times, special correspondent for The Christian Science Monitor, and award-winning author. It's certainly not conspiracy unless that's what you call anything you haven't yet learned from your approved circle of influence. Read the book to find out why Wallace was not recognized for his work. He was plagiarized and ignored long before the religious right came into being.

      • Posted By: stottieba@hotmail.com @ 07/08/2008 6:34:06 PM

        I give mad props to Wallace...I really do. The reason that Darwin got credit was that he was more respected and well-known at the time and that was important when you are dropping a bombshell like evolution. Wallace knew this and accepted it.....read his autobiography. I really don't care who got the credit since it would have been postulated by someone at some point soon after. (I promise that I don't have a shrine to Darwin in my attic.)

  • Posted By: AlliBrennan27 @ 07/03/2008 12:47:23 PM

    ChrisRosendin:

    Do you believe in everything the Constitution has to say? If not, do you still believe in the good in America? Do you still believe in the concept of a republican democracy? The Bible was written of its time, and its teachings are the cornerstones of our society and morality. The Bible teaches us far too much to be discounted.

    • Posted By: ChrisRosendin @ 07/03/2008 1:25:36 PM

      The Constitution was intended as a living document with rules governing how it could be amended to reflect inevitable changes in society. By and large this has worked very well.

      The bible is, purportedly, of divine inspiration. If this were so, wouldn???t it be so much more than it is? Would it not be crystal clear and free of contradiction? Would not its message have been so compelling that all advanced societies of the time would have dropped all other beliefs to embrace it? How could a book, cut, pasted, redacted and assembled by committee over hundreds of years be thought of as divine? If the miraculous is to be believed, when is the last time God saw fit to restore an amputee???s missing arm?

      The Bible, the Torah, the Vedas, the Koran and all the rest back to stone carvings on cave walls all hold the same weight. We can be moral without them. We ARE moral without them. 14% (2000) of the population is atheist, agnostic or secular/non-religious. Are we all thieves and murderers? Atheists make up .2% of the prison population (1997). Atheists have the lowest divorce rates (21%).

      What positive moral action can a theist take that could not be done by an atheist?

      As far as the non sequiturs go, I???m not sure what in any of the posts would lead you question my or anyone???s appreciation of our system of government. It???s as if to say if one favors evolution then one thinks America is bad. What a silly argument!

      • Posted By: dwardtx @ 07/08/2008 5:41:50 PM

        The Bible is the infallible Word of God. There are no contradictions.
        As for why not everyone would embrace it ??? good question. Many people appear to view themselves as the center of everything. They chose a relativistic view of the world. Your truth vs. my truth. Fact is, truth is truth, even if no one chooses to believe it and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. Why do some believe it is OK to drive a pair of scissors into a partially born infants brain to terminate a life? Why do people believe that they should create life only to snuff it out in the name of science? One day all will believe. Unfortunately, for many it will be too late.

      • Posted By: ChrisRosendin @ 07/03/2008 1:29:08 PM

        The ???s seem to be a product of cutting and pasting. Sorry about that. I should have saved as text.

        • Posted By: stottieba@hotmail.com @ 07/03/2008 7:00:00 PM

          Well said.

  • Posted By: kpvalv @ 07/08/2008 5:41:14 AM

    Darwin is known everywhere in the world, including the US. Lincoln is important only in the US. The question is pretty absurd.

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