Who Was More Important: Lincoln or Darwin?

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  • Posted By: liznguyen @ 07/02/2008 4:33:42 PM

    Darwin's THEORY, too often mistaken as Law, has been disproved over and over again and Evolutionists continue to transform his theory so that it may conform to some degree of truth. 1859 was the year that he published his book and the year that America started to forget what our forefathers fought and died for. We hold so steadfast to the idea that we must put ourselves first that we have forgotten the basics of morality. Darwin's book lended itself to the destruction of the foundation of America--a country founded on Christian principles and beliefs. It taught people to be disregard God because if evolution is true then we evolved from Monkeys instead of being created in His image. If there is no God, then there is no reason to hold the teachings of Jesus and the Bible in high regards. Without those teachings, there comes a demise of morality. What we are left with is what we are witnessing now--a culture full of death and destruction. Without morality, there is no governing a free people for a free nation can only survive if the people to be governed govern themselves. How can we do that if we don't even have a standard of moralityor an absolute moral truth? When we do not control our own behaviors, that is when democracy fails and gives way to a dictatorship. Darwin was wrong. There is a God. There is a purpose to our lives. And there is such a thing as absolute truth. Lincoln wins.

  • Posted By: mal1588 @ 06/29/2008 3:44:23 AM

    Not exactly. darwin may have changed the world of science, but that doesn't mean that what Lincoln accomplished only changed America, it spread much further than that. Yes, what Darwin did and accomplished was beyond amazing, studying biology, i was blown away by him. Like it said in the article, Darwin wasn't the only person who had the idea of evoluation. Darwin was in a hurry to publish to his fidning because Wallace was hot on his heels. That having been said...had Darwin not published his finding about evolution, one way or another it would have come about, it was inevitable! What Lincoln did was truly amazing. He accomplished so much. Maybe you should go brush up on your history of the Civil War before you go making comments about how it only changed America!

    • Posted By: pblack @ 07/02/2008 3:46:56 PM

      If evolution is the truth why have we stopped evolving? Why are there still monkeys? Why do we still have an appendix? If it can be removed and we have no adverse affedt why hasn't it evolved out of us?

      • Posted By: ceburk @ 07/02/2008 4:28:47 PM

        We have not "stopped evolving." The very nature of evolution in fact means that we can never "stop". We did not evolve from monkeys, as many people think. We and monkeys however did evolve from the same common ancestor. We still have an appendix because it takes a very long time for certain characteristics to evolve out of us, and if it does not hurt our ability to survive, there is no reason for natural selection to take over and eliminate it from the population. Just because things do not have a purpose, does not mean they will eventually "evolve" away, only things that positively or negatively impact an individual's ability to survive get selected for. We may always have appendices unless there is some trend that people with appendices are at some disadvantage compared to their competition. To say that we have stopped evolving is ridiculous and shows that you don't even know what evolution means. People think that humans are the end point of evolution, like you can't get any better, however, as stated in this article, we are no "better" or more "evolved" than any other animal.

  • Posted By: Gonzalote @ 07/02/2008 4:28:42 PM

    The mere fact that this article compares a man that shaped a nation and another who redefined human thought is outrageous. It's not only that it claims that a human life can be summered up and compared to another to declare a "winner" but rather who get this treatment. On one hand you have a scientist who's work has not only been groundbreaking on it's own but shook every other field of knowledge, not to mention religion or the way humans understand themselves. On the other there's a politician who banned slavery and raged a war against dissident states. But was there a larger influence of his act's in humankind? Probably not, slavery had been banned in other countries many times before, even in the continent, when other nations declared their independence from Spain they also proclaimed freedom for all. On warmongering Lincoln is portrayed as being all vigor and strength, all action compared to the hesitant Darwin who "sat 20 years on his theory". I salute that hesitation, not only because it opens our vision far beyond the spot of land we stand upon but because it lets us wonder what's truly important. For all of us.

  • Posted By: Gonzalote @ 07/02/2008 4:27:36 PM

    The mere fact that this article compares a man that shaped a nation and another who redefined human thought is outrageous. It's not only that it claims that a human life can be summered up and compared to another to declare a "winner" but rather who get this treatment. On one hand you have a scientist who's work has not only been groundbreaking on it's own but shook every other field of knowledge, not to mention religion or the way humans understand themselves. On the other there's a politician who banned slavery and raged a war against dissident states. But was there a larger influence of his act's in humankind? Probably not, slavery had been banned in other countries many times before, even in the continent, when other nations declared their independence from Spain they also proclaimed freedom for all. On warmongering Lincoln is portrayed as being all vigor and strength, all action compared to the hesitant Darwin who "sat 20 years on his theory". I salute that hesitation, not only because it opens our vision far beyond the spot of land we stand upon but because it lets us wonder what's truly important. For all of us.

  • Posted By: elmer @ 07/02/2008 3:35:15 PM

    It is a great disgrace to us, the reader, and to history itself to compare Darwin, who by the way was a fraud, a liar, and a thief..(see Arnold C. Brackman's "A Delicate Arrangement") and to place him on any level close to Lincoln is a disgrace which makes me want to puke and never read another thing from Newsweek.

    Common sense truly does need to make a comeback in this nation, and to those who try to draw such distinctions. Some reporters are too ignorant of history and its lessons to know that they are....just saying

    • Posted By: MorsDei @ 07/02/2008 3:53:54 PM

      awwwww...... did you get your feelings hurt? Its OK to feel sad. Deep down in your heart, where you know Darwin's theory destroys your mystical fairy tales, there is a little kid crying.

      • Posted By: elmer @ 07/02/2008 4:26:43 PM

        Excuse you? The documentation shows Darwin stole Wallace's theories while Wallace laid on his death bed. I never said anything about the religious conflict you seem to think I'm implying. If you want to follow a fraud, a plagiarizer, who couldn't explain Wallace's theory when confronted by his peers....then by all means follow a fraud...have at it friend.

        It comes down to truth. And to hold Darwin up as the model of truth and upstanding character is a sham of the first order. Lincoln was a man of respect, of brutal truth even to his own demise. The only thing you have proven with your comment is you too are too ignorant of truth to know that youa re....

  • Posted By: olderbutnowiser @ 07/02/2008 4:22:40 PM

    You, "whitehrs1", are absolutely right....lets discuss more perinent things! I love Brit more than Lindsay.

  • Posted By: whitehrs1 @ 07/02/2008 4:18:20 PM

    What an idiotic question! Why has the Internet distilled itself down to endless rankings of no consequence whatsoever? Agree or disagree with them, they both were titans with a profound impact on us all. And now I suppose we can all turn to other pressing topics, such as deciding who has more star power: Lindsay Lohan or Brittney Spears!

  • Posted By: TheLightJohn1:9 @ 07/02/2008 2:43:41 PM

    WHAT KIND OF IGNORINT QUESTION IS THIS.

    THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN HISTORY, THE SUBJECT IS COMPARING APPLES TO STEAK.

    BY THE WAY DARWIN WAS WRONG AND FOSSILS PROVE IT A FISH IS STILL A FISH AND A MASQUITO IS STILL A MASQUITO, EVOLUTION IS NON SINCE, MUTATION DOES HAPPEN BUT IT DOESNT CHANGE THE ANIMEL, AND IT USEALY RESULTS IN A DISSABILITY. A FOUR LEGGED DUCK DOES NOT MAKE MORE FOUR LEGGD DUCK THE DUCKLINGS WILL BE BORN WITH TWO LEGGS.

    MUTATION IS A RESULT OF POLUTION, NOT NATURE.

    NATUREL SELECTION IS NOT EVOLUTION

    WE AS A HUMAN RAISE ARE ABOVE NATURAL SELECTION ANY WAYS, WHY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ANIMELS WHICH ACT ON TRIANED RESPONCE AND INSTINCT.

    ALSO DARWIN ALTHOUGH WAY WRONG ON HIS THEORIES WAS A CHRISTIAN.

    LET EVERY ANIMEL MULTIPLY ACORDING TO ITS KIND.

    • Posted By: Ale.Ale @ 07/02/2008 2:48:03 PM

      Sorry man. You have no grasp of evolution, and thus, basis on which to criticize it.

      • Posted By: Weapon "X" @ 07/02/2008 3:01:57 PM

        TheLightjohn1:9 : How can you refute anything if you can't even spell ? First off, learn English. Second, first graders aren't allowed on this forum.You obviously have no grasp of even common sense. And you have lost all credibility by stating mutation is the result of pollution. Now go back to the trees and tell the others what you have learned today.

        • Posted By: Theoryevolution-scientificallybankrupt @ 07/02/2008 4:21:05 PM

          The guy may have spelling and grammatical errors but he is very worth listening to. Einstein neede to write down his train station stop or he would not have know where to depart the train, yet we do not ridicule Einstein'b brain. Shame on you for bullying a person and skipping over the substance. Mutation is caused by other things than pollution BUT mutation does not result in an improvement in the species. That is an important point when you want to try defending a bankrupt theory about upward development when it DOES NOT happen. Automobiles have engineers, furniture has designers, buildings have architects, and living CREATures have a CREATOR. There is no upward advancement in organisms and Darwin obtained these ideas from Mathus who was an economist, not a biology scientist. In the begiining GOD CREATED the heaven and the earth. Also, this newsweek article's writer has stated theory as fact in many places and therefore the article is poor journalism and unacceptable in production. The editor also has failed his or her obligations to the readers.

    • Posted By: ef4412 @ 07/02/2008 4:04:25 PM

      I find it interesting that those who so quickly dismiss the theory of evolution have absolutley no grip on the science to begin with. Perhaps they do not have the ability to expand their range of thinking. His discovery is more finely woven into our every day lives then you may think. For example, the flu shot. Why can't we just get one single shot at a young age and prevent the flu for our entire lives? Because the flu also evolves in order to survive. Why is it so hard to believe that God perhaps created an ever-evolving universe? You know - instead of throwing a bunch of life forms together just to see how it all works out. And to the person who made the comment about the enviornment and climate - Our planet goes through larger climate changes than you may think (Ex: Ice Ages). These changes in the weather/climate/enviornment happen very slowely over an extremely long period of time.- throughout the lives of many many generations of a species. It doesn't just all happen over night. It's not as simple as "in the winter months it get cooler, and in the summer months it gets warmer".
      Maybe you should take a biology class. Or at least learn how to think critically.

  • Posted By: olderbutnowiser @ 07/02/2008 4:16:25 PM

    I'm going back to watch T.V... I've already proven mathematically that Lincoln wins. (see below)

  • Posted By: matt2373 @ 07/02/2008 4:12:54 PM

    ???If no transitional forms are found in the fossil record than my theory is false??? - Darwins Origin of Species

    Uh oh

  • Posted By: olderbutnowiser @ 07/02/2008 4:10:58 PM

    to Cates @ 4:06, founded on Christianity or not, radical Islam would still like to open a can of "Holy War " whup a** on us!

  • Posted By: Itmustbetrue @ 07/02/2008 4:09:43 PM

    Interesting how the Darwin theory fans criticize others so harshly for what they do themselves. To believe in evolution requires massive amounts of faith and requires leaving many difficult questions unanswered; they are simply accepting that "evolution is a scientific fact" and anyone who doubts is a fool.
    There is only one real truth, and in fact none of us can claim to have undeniable proof of what it is. It is reasonable to believe in a god of creation, and it's also reasonable to believe that a non-god explanation including evolution exists. Neither can be proven, and the only real fools (which unfortunately there are a lot of) are the ones who are claiming their particular belief is a "fact" and anyone not accepting it is a fool. So if you don't believe this, you're a fool.

  • Posted By: intheimagegrl @ 07/02/2008 2:36:56 PM

    I find it laughable that anyone had the nerve to imply that our nation wasn't founded as a Christian nation. Darwin may have come up with a great theory of evolution but it is still just that, a THEORY which has not been proven. Even Darwin himself never claimed it to be proven or absolute truth. The ever-controversial Creationism or Intelligent Design makes more sense that the theory of Evolution. In my opinion it taked more faith to believe in Evolution than Intelligant Design. I would love for everyone to see the Ben Stein movie "Expelled". It did a good job in talking about this topic. By no means do you have to throw your brains and scientific theory in the garbage to be a Christian. Alright....enough of that. I'll get off my soap box. lol =) You all have a good day!

    • Posted By: Cates @ 07/02/2008 4:06:03 PM

      You have some Nerve. You Xians have told so many lies so often that people start to believe them. But you can fool some of the people some of the time . . .

      Here are the facts: A treaty signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796, signed and promoted by John Adams, the President of the United States and unanimously ratified by congress, states in Article 11:
      "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, -- as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-- and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religous opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony
      existing between the two countries."

      So there you have it in the founding fathers words. ???the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.???

  • Posted By: olderbutnowiser @ 07/02/2008 3:56:00 PM

    Lets see... A (Lincoln) did B (Freed Slaves) = C (Ended a great inhumanity)
    X (Darwin) did Y (theorized) = Z (started alot of pointless discussions, and gave 6th graders a
    subject taught as fact.......LINCOLN WINS, LINCOLN WINS.

    • Posted By: Metastasio @ 07/02/2008 4:05:54 PM

      You're right. Lincoln supported the despicable Fugitive Slave Act. He was more concerned with the unity of the nation as political, geographical and economical unit. Christians (Baptists and Quakers) were behind abolishment, for which many people died to gain the freedom of our black brothers and sisters. Darwin and Ernst Haeckel helped further racism by giving it a "scientific" authenticity, and are indirectly responsible for many massacres of the 20th century.

  • Posted By: wootwoot @ 07/02/2008 2:12:47 PM

    How could Darwin win hands down? If evolution in the terms he stated were true, then were are all the gradual transitional species today or in the fossil record? I mean, there are birds and lizards today but I don't see anywhere in the fossil record a gradual transition from one to the other and certainly not today. Random mutation cannot account for specific design. Also, many systems need to work sympatically with each other for the larger system to work. How could that happen through random mutations?

    • Posted By: Ale.Ale @ 07/02/2008 2:19:49 PM

      Start here:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

      A little more critical thinking and a little less parroting might benefit you.

      • Posted By: ravensjp @ 07/02/2008 3:05:47 PM

        RE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

        I'm not sure how a list of artists intepretations of what they think dead critters may have looked like passes as concrete evidence of transitional forms.

        • Posted By: Weapon "X" @ 07/02/2008 4:03:58 PM

          ravensjp: grab some caecelians and some legless lizards. Though not concrete evidence, they are pretty amazing creatures that exist today ! Perhaps on their way of becoming ....And for fossil records - gui's little thief is quite an argument for the sake of transitional species.

    • Posted By: Metastasio @ 07/02/2008 3:13:28 PM

      Wootwoot, I love begging the question! There are no transitional species. They're not in the fossil record. And obviously, organized systems can't arise from the mutation process we observe. Despite all of this Darwin's theory has resulted in some of the most catastrophic decision making in the history of mankind. How many people died in China's "Great Leap Forward?"

    • Posted By: ChrisRosendin @ 07/02/2008 2:18:53 PM

      The fossil record is replete with transitional forms. This argument is the old "god of the gaps" chestnut. As soon as you find a transitional fossil *presto* there are two more gaps you need to fill. There's a reason that Darwin has stood the test of time and is excepted by the overwhelming majority of significant scientists. Even the Catholic Church accepts it. It stands as the single best explanation we have.

      • Posted By: gmak1 @ 07/02/2008 3:12:32 PM

        Chris: the fact that the Catholic Church accepts Evolution is proof of how far that church has deviated from the Bible. The founder of Christianity (you may have heard of him...Jesus Christ), in answering a question about divorce, quoted directly from the account in Genesis where we read that "He (God) created them male and female" and performed the first marriage ceremony (Matthew 19:4-6). If the founder of Christianity believed in the creation of man by God, and we have a written record in the Holy Scriptures (the book Christians accept as being from God) indicating exactly that to be so, doesn't it surprise you just a bit that Catholics don't believe what the Bible says? I realize that a large group claiming to be Christian not accepting what Christ taught is problematic, but only for them. Can you imagine the difficulty they have trying to justify belief in Evolution when their alleged founder believed in something (creation) totally different?

    • Posted By: Metastasio @ 07/02/2008 2:22:02 PM

      Wootwoot, I love begging the question! There are no transitional species. They're not in the fossil record. And obviously, organized systems can't arise from the mutation process we observe. Despite all of this Darwin's theory has resulted in some of the most catastrophic decision making in the history of mankind. How many people died in China's "Great Leap Forward?"

      • Posted By: Weapon "X" @ 07/02/2008 2:38:04 PM

        Metastasio : I believe a transitional species could be observed in fossil records of microraptor gui, a four limbed-four winged scaly-bird type creature. So before you go biasedly stating "there are no transitional species" do some actual research. Tyranosaur DNA is closely linked to bird DNA. And as for today, Boiids display evidence of "feet" . And maybe ( MAYBE ) legless lizards of today are on their way to becoming snakes. As for man ? I studied anthropology , and the evidence for the missing link is still flimsy at best. But that is what makes science interesting - the pursuit of knowledge without limits.

  • Posted By: am27 @ 07/02/2008 4:03:27 PM

    These are the kind of egotistical ideas that are making our country not only appear ridiculous to the rest of the planet but also to let's say more open minded and cultured individuals in our own. Lincoln was a brilliant man, no doubt about that. And also very important..... to American history. Let us not forget that we are not the center of the planet and that not everything that happens here is the most important thing happening in the world. Like you even stated, slavery had been abolished decades early in England. We were still to primitive to give up the notion of owning other human beings .uUPiuuiup.Oomostother nations on the planet t

  • Posted By: TheLightJohn1:9 @ 07/02/2008 2:33:58 PM

    What kind of ignorint question is this topic?

    Two people in history for to very different things.

    By the way although darwanism is false and fossils prove it a fish is still a fish a masquito is still a masquito, mutation is not evolution, and usealy results in a crutch to the subject causing it not to carry on its geans, eaven if it does a four leggd duck still has two legd babby ducks.

    Natueral selection is not evolution, and we as a human raise are apove naturel selection.

    Also although Darwin was very wrong on his theory he was a Christian.

    • Posted By: leukocyte @ 07/02/2008 4:03:22 PM

      I'm calling Poe's Law on The Light John. Even last-generation web browsers have spell check now. This has got to be a parody.

    • Posted By: midwest9040 @ 07/02/2008 2:41:00 PM

      Wow, over 15 spelling errors! Just goes to show that deevolution is alive and well.

      • Posted By: Ale.Ale @ 07/02/2008 2:53:10 PM

        And he then proceeded to repost - IN FULL CAPS!

  • Posted By: themtb2007 @ 07/02/2008 3:57:39 PM

    who cares? BOTH had low views of MY people (blacks) . Lincoln may have owned a few of my people, and we KNOW his exterior family did, regardless of the times.... OWNING HUMANS should have been a matter of HUMAN RIGHT AND WRONG...not going with the FLOW!!! So lincol's family owned Black HUMANS listing them with the rest of the BEASTS which DAWIN says MY people came from and were closer to than whites. So they are both azzes to me. How much science was needed for that comment?!?!

    • Posted By: Enterprise-E @ 07/02/2008 4:01:08 PM

      Sorry, but as the moral/cultural relativist, I'm going to have to disagree- right and wrongs are merely social constructs, and in the death of god, without anything to guide us, we have to depend on what is existant at the time of our decisions.

      In this case, slavery was largely accepted, and not a wrong thing at the time.

      Now, of course, it is wrong, but only because there is new social norms.

  • Posted By: MorsDei @ 07/02/2008 4:00:40 PM

    I really enjoyed the article. The two greatest liberators of the modern world: one of the slaves, and the other of the mind. However, I must admit I was sorely disappointed with the garbage reference to astrology. To persist in that ignorant, nonscientific delusion while simultaneously discussing the value of Darwin's scientific theory is rather ironic. The two were the way they were because they were great men, not because the stars have nothing better than ordain personality traits and decide whether it???s a good day for your business or relationships.

  • Posted By: am27 @ 07/02/2008 4:00:35 PM

    These are the kind of egotistical ideas that are making our country not only appear ridiculous to the rest of the planet but also to let's say more open minded and cultured individuals in our own. Lincoln was a brilliant man, no doubt about that. And also very important..... to American history. Let us not forget that we are not the center of the planet and that not everything that happens here is the most important thing happening in the world. Like you even stated, slavery had been abolished decades early in England. We were still to primitive to give up the notion of owning other human beings .uUPiuuiup.Oomostother nations on the planet t

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