Who Was More Important: Lincoln or Darwin?

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  • Posted By: Cates @ 07/02/2008 2:19:34 PM

    Darwin made a larger impact on the world; still Lincoln was a great man too.

    For the Neanderthal bible thumpers out there - evolution is a fact ??? gods and fairies don???t exist ??? Lincoln was a pantheist and, like most of America???s founding fathers, was disgusted with Christians.

    ???The Bible is not my book and Christianity is not my Religion.??? ??? Abraham Lincoln

  • Posted By: Objectivisor @ 07/02/2008 2:17:41 PM

    Mature adults don't have imaginary friends. Nor do they support crimes against humanity.

  • Posted By: Bernard123 @ 07/02/2008 2:17:02 PM

    The view given by Darwin, just changed the world. Lincoln has little historical value for the world. Lincoln´s importance is limited to the US History (a single country in the World. Surely important, but just a Country).
    This comparatives would sound polemical for some of the 300 million Americans. But it has no sense for most 6 billions of non-Americans.

  • Posted By: old scout @ 07/02/2008 2:08:54 PM

    A ridiculouis question and a meaningless answer. These were great men who both contributed immensely to mankind. If you could ask either of them they would shake their heads in disbelief.

  • Posted By: GregCislo @ 07/02/2008 1:39:49 PM

    "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree."
    Charles Darwin, (Darwin 1872, 143-144)

    • Posted By: Rev. BigDumbChimp @ 07/02/2008 2:06:15 PM

      Out of context and incomplete quote. Quote mining.

      http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part8.html

    • Posted By: Rev. BigDumbChimp @ 07/02/2008 2:02:02 PM

      Out of context and incomplete. Par for the course for creationist quote mining.

      http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part8.html

  • Posted By: bbmj @ 07/02/2008 2:05:24 PM

    the fact that the question was asked deems you stature as a major publication

  • Posted By: US-FREEDOM @ 07/02/2008 1:22:44 PM

    I think no one was so important ,because they got some the some so in final ,they are 2 best idiots from the history that compare the people with the animals , so from that time to the present the APES made a substantial advance and the one who educated this chimps got to be a retarded mental and a slave to this fuc.. new generation of the modern Gorilla , thanks to this 2 idiots from the history

    • Posted By: Ale.Ale @ 07/02/2008 2:03:30 PM

      Try English next time :D

  • Posted By: f jay @ 07/02/2008 2:03:12 PM

    Oddly enough looks like menefreghista hasn't read darwin. Tough to "intellectually kill" something he referred to several times in his writings. American educated i'm assuming.

  • Posted By: lobsternooberg @ 07/02/2008 2:02:27 PM

    darwin was also responsible for a fundamental shift in the scientific and philosophical community of the entire world...not just america

  • Posted By: lobsternooberg @ 07/02/2008 2:01:07 PM

    I think Darwin wins hands down. Lincoln and the American civil war was not fought to free the slaves. Didn't the south have a right to rule themselves how they saw fit? Didn't lincoln only violate the constitution, concept of democracy, and plunge the entire nation into the bloodiest war it has ever seen?

  • Posted By: kmchez @ 07/02/2008 1:41:27 PM

    You're kidding right? How can you even consider a comparison this absurd? Abraham Lincoln Vs. Darwin? The Man who healed a conrty, the greatest president to serve our country, being compared to someone with almost a non-exestent education that taught us to believe that we are all just glorified apes? I don;t care if they were born on the same second, neither of them, deserve this comparison. You are belittling Lincoln and raising up Darwin to stature her certainly does not derserve, considering all the science that has come after him, to refute his claims. However, if evolution as Darwin sees it is true, that most assuredly explains you being a horse's ass!

    • Posted By: Ale.Ale @ 07/02/2008 2:00:45 PM

      Your opinion betrays that you are indeed a glorified ape. Thinking humans are actually much more sophisticated.

  • Posted By: lobsternooberg @ 07/02/2008 2:00:40 PM

    Comment: I think Darwin wins hands down. Lincoln and the American civil war was not fought to free the slaves. Didn't the south have a right to rule themselves how they saw fit? Didn't lincoln only violate the constitution, concept of democracy, and plunge the entire nation into the bloodiest war it has ever seen?

  • Posted By: jkeepers @ 07/02/2008 1:43:26 PM

    Lincoln saved this country. Darwin just gave us a theory, not a fact.

    • Posted By: Ale.Ale @ 07/02/2008 1:59:27 PM

      Ok, so you are ignorant of the technical definition of a theory. Fine - think of it this way instead: Evolution is "just" a theory in the same way gravity and quantum mechanics are just theories. There are many independent elements of evidence that support it. That is as close to a fact as you can get.

  • Posted By: GregCislo @ 07/02/2008 1:48:30 PM

    ???"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down".???
    Charles Darwin, 1809-1882
    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Flagellum motor! (fantastic you tube video with Micahel Behe)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NFgjiumiAw&feature=related

    • Posted By: Rev. BigDumbChimp @ 07/02/2008 1:59:13 PM

      Oh man. You aren't a bright one are you? The idea of Irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellum motor has been destroyed many times over. Please try to keep up.
      http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/design2/article.html

    • Posted By: Ale.Ale @ 07/02/2008 1:56:48 PM

      The flagellum has been explained successfully in terms of incremental changes. Read and understand, THEN talk.

  • Posted By: Jim F. @ 06/30/2008 9:21:32 AM

    I think the idea that Darwin can be compared to our best president in the most difficult time in our history shows a failure of our educational system. The study of evolution has revealed nothing more than microevolution....the slight alteration of existing biological information.

    The same problem that plagues naturalists, with the creation of life from non-living materials through random natural processes, plagues evolutionists with the creation of organs in existing living organisms.
    For example, I tried to get evolutionists in a newsgroup debate forum to try to explain, or give evidence to, the creation of a new organ in an existing living organism from mutations. The response was revealing as to the actual knowledge of those who believe the evolution of man from a single cell organism. The active debate went silent when requesting an example or explanation. The lone response was so silly that it was embarrassing. An evolutionist tried to explain how the creation of a functional heart probably started with "a mutation resulted in a widening of a central artery, forming a balloon, which would then develop valves and
    presto, a heart." How about that! A ballooning artery is a mutation that provides a survival advantage to this evolutionist. Thinking people would probably call it a detrimental birth defect adversely affecting circulation.

    The acceptance of evolution as an explanation to the diversity of life has resulted in the rejection of critical thinking. In other words, a new religious faith was born.

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 06/30/2008 6:00:51 PM

      Sorry, Jim, but you are an example of our failed educational system. lincoln is overrated, and could not have cared less about the slaves. He "freed" them just to piss off the south. If he was so benevolent, why didn't he do so after he first became prez? He even stated that if he could keep slavery and the union together, he would keep slavery. He called blacks ni$$gers. He allowed the slaughter of many defenseless southerners. He wanted to try to find a way to send blacks back to Africa--after presiding over over a country that murdered many slaves and native people.
      Read a real history book about lincoln, and not the science fiction crap you're use to.

      • Posted By: xzxzxzxzx @ 07/02/2008 1:55:59 PM

        I don't think you have read enough books on Lincoln. By the fact that you are posting I don't think you have ever changed your mind and the decisions you made cost you your life. In Lincolns day slavery meant money, this was an economic factor. By your own logic? why would he want to piss off the south? He was trying to keep the union together and end slavery. A tall task that I don't think any president could have handled.

    • Posted By: basedrum777 @ 06/30/2008 6:19:56 PM

      I believe the first mistake in your assumption is that evolution is the final conclusion or has been fully vetted in its current form. This is where I believe you went awry. If we truly hold evolution as a theory as most of us believers do then the evolving (excuse the pun) of this theory is just that: evolution. It will change and has. Just remember the pea plants.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 07/02/2008 1:55:26 PM

    Lincoln or Darwin....who is the most influential....hmmm...good question. It really comes down to a personal opinion.

    Lincoln....this Republic was joined together by God. Let no man put it asunder. Man was created in the image of God. No man has the right to "own" one of God's own image. When defeat seems at your doorstep, God still works miracles. I think this is a very good, short description, of the man called Abraham Lincoln.

    Darwin...man is the Supreme Being. While the reality of a higher power may exist, there is no proof, and if "It" is real, "It" is definitely not a personal God. All living beings came from a lower form of life. Not something created, in "Its" own image. I think this is a very good, short description, of the man called Darwin.

    Comes down to this. Is God real? Is he personal? Does it matter? HolyRoller has his opinion. What's yours?

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: ChrisRosendin @ 07/02/2008 1:55:02 PM

    Gravity is a theory too. Test it!

  • Posted By: f jay @ 07/02/2008 1:52:38 PM

    Only a homo-phobic, racist american media could compare these two men and expect to be taken seriously. One was instrumental (along wilberforce and others on this side of the pond) in bringing worldwide slavery to an end for the first time in ten thousand years. While the other mans ideals brought on social-darwinism, hitler, columbine. I think in your excitement over the erroneous idea that darwin somehow eliminates god you forget that he hated homosexuals, and stated that superior races should destroy the inferior. Maybe a bit of research before you put pen to paper would be a niffty thought.

    • Posted By: Ale.Ale @ 07/02/2008 1:55:01 PM

      You could not be more wrong. Darwin did not invent social Darwinism - look it up.

  • Posted By: ChrisRosendin @ 07/02/2008 1:54:34 PM

    The "Flagellum Motor" has been conclusively debunked, most notably when it failed to impress the Bush appointed judge that ruled decisively in Dover PA that the teaching of intelligent design is a cover for the teaching of religion in schools. Evolution by Natural Selection is a theory in the scientific use of the word which is far different than common lay usage. A theory is actually higher than a law in this context.

  • Posted By: ninjawarrior @ 07/02/2008 1:12:09 PM

    Malcon Jones is an absolute buffoon, he asks if a man who put an end to slavery in the united states, preserved hundreds of thousands of lives from the middle passage, and even promoted the passage for the thirteenth ammendment to the constitution was more important to a man who degraded the humans by theorizing that ancestors our ancestors are a bunch of idiotic monkeys who slowly over millions of years adapted to their enviroment. Malcolm why is it callled the "THEORY" of evolution when in fact it is taught as truth in almost every high school in the nation, and malcolm , darwin was a school DROPOUT, do you really beleive a school dropout who was never even there a million years ago? Darwin theorized that an explosion created an intelligent design and lifeform, which violates scientific LAWS like as time goes on things go from orderly to disorderly, does an explosion of the printing press create Websters dictionary? Of course not.
    does a tornado in a junkyard creat a boeing b-17 flying fortress? no. Malcolm i sugggest you go back and try to graduate your elementary history class.

    • Posted By: Yuseff @ 07/02/2008 1:51:35 PM

      Many confuse a theory with a hunch. For example the U.S. has over 100 nuclear reactors and thousands of nuclear weapons. All of this came about because of what physicists call 'Atomic Theory'. They don't call it Atomic Fact but we know it does work. Modern day physics and chemistry functions by theories all the time about how atoms work and behave.

      All I'm saying is be careful how you throw the terms theory and hypothesis around and dismiss them so easily because they suggest other than what you already believe.

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