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INTERNATIONAL | TRUE OR FALSE

We Need a Wartime President

By Fareed Zakaria | NEWSWEEK
July 7-14, 2008 issue

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  • Posted By: fariborz @ 07/24/2008 3:50:49 AM

    Comment: You got it all wrong, world is in crisis and superpower has responsibilty on behalf of all people who are struggling on their own coutries with facisim islamisim or whatever for that matter. Just take darfur for example, if world powers don't stop it that genocide won't stop. So we are instantly war with criminals which appointed as Presidents/Prime Minsters in their own countries and do nothing but expanding brutality and beyond barbarity.

    www.rottengods.com

  • Posted By: doktor @ 07/21/2008 12:22:15 PM

    Comment: President Bush stated that the war in Afghanistan must continue or the country will become an asylum for drugs, terrorism and the organized crime. He says that we fight has toxic ideology of the Islamic extremism which threatens to become a total movement .

    Afghanistan now produces 90% of the world of 'opium of S; more than any other country. The trade of drugs bursting is the direct corollary of the invasion of the USA. Nobody denies even this. Bush created the world 'narco-colony of the S largest. Is this success?
    Then what about Israel And The Clash Of Civilisations?



  • Posted By: radiantenergies @ 07/17/2008 12:54:17 PM

    Comment: Considering that millions of Iraq citizens have been displaced to other countries and this article compares the normal life now in the US so therefore no war, ignores the tragedies in Iraq today. It also fails to address the enormous costs by the US which otherwise would have been available to help this normal life here.
    Lose of prestige around the world is another cost hard to quantify, but significant nonetheless. Other costs of this non war in Iraq include at least $1 trillion to pay for our wounded over the next 10 years. Other costs are for these returning military veterans into the population who are now trained to kill. The soldiers over there now feel they are in a real war and do ot need to come home and be told it was a non war.

  • Posted By: jane.simpson.wilson @ 07/10/2008 1:50:33 PM

    Comment: What is a War President, or Prime Minister, for that matter. Churchill said it best, "Courage is Grace under Pressure." Mr. Churchill had his belly full of battle early in his life. And I believe it made him a better "Commander-in-Chief". RFK told the story of what happened in the Cabinet Room during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He related that eight out of the thirteen in the room wanted to go to war with the Russians. Kaboom. I

    beieve that Jfk's resove not to fight came from his brutal experience in the Pcific Theater during WWIIbelieve th

  • Posted By: vacation4243 @ 07/10/2008 9:21:07 AM

    Comment: Unfortuantely the issue is not a wartime President or the need for one. The issue is who will confront militarism in US society at large, and the readiness to use force to solve international problems. This is the real choice facing the next President as total GDP devoted to present and past wars exceeds 20% not the less than 5% often graphed as the DOD take on war and its related issues. Example, almost $500B needs top be spent on cleanup from the early atomic/nuclear age and consequent environemental damage. Even with 1000 WWII vets dying each day, new intake and needs demonstrate that VA funding should be increased by over 1/3 just to do justice ot the existing vets and those beooming vets in the near future. WARS are costly but note that Bush did fire Bruce Lindsay for predictiing Iraq alone would cost $200B a number far exceeded already.

  • Posted By: Johndavidprince @ 07/09/2008 8:07:35 PM

    Comment: Cont: We should not lower our standards and join the other despots of the world. Rove should realize that standing for Justice is more important than revenge. He should consider that the principles of legal representation, fair trial, hearing all the evidence against you, innocent until proven guilty, and all the other aspects of the Rule of Law are what make us an Ethical or Moral nation that rise above the muck of Tyranny. The America Rove would like to see is one that breeds dictatorship, authoritarianism, tyranny, or totalitarianism. The lack of principle Rove would wish for the American legal system is not only for foreign enemies, it was a wish he had for all Americans as well. That is the removal of the rule of law for anyone labeled an Enemy Combatant, Foreign or American. Thank any God that the Supreme Court ruled that all People are protected by the Constitution when detained by the State. A person has to be proven guilty by more than mere suspicion. All persons must be proven guilty or innocent by a court of law through a preponderance of evidence not by suspicion, not by tribunal, not by public opinion, rather by LAW, our Constitution. What is so hard to comprehend for Mr. Rove? Law?

  • Posted By: Johndavidprince @ 07/09/2008 8:07:14 PM

    Comment: Karl Rove appeared on the Hannidy and Colms Show (July 5th 2008) to discuss the issue of Enemy Combatants and Habeas Corpus pertaining to the recent Supreme Court ruling. When K. Rove was confronted with the underlying constitutionality of the war he kept going back to the words ???use of force.??? This is an attempt to hide behind words and their exact meaning. Only Congress can declare War. War is a far cry from a use of force. A use of force is targeted bombing or small military operations. War is an all out action. For the President to have War Powers Act qualifications Congress must label and pass a Bill of War or Declaration of War. Congress passed a bill allowing for the use of force if all other avenues had been exhausted. This is not an all out Declaration of War. We are not legally at War with Iraq. As with Vietnam we are in a Police Action in Iraq, thus the wording used by Congress, ???use of force.??? Karl Rove seems to be hiding behind the public perception that a Use of Force is equal to War. He would not use the word, ???War,??? in the exchange with Alen Colms. Why? Because he knows that in reality, No Declaration of War has been passed by Congress concerning Iraq. Yes, Congress has approved a Police Action in Iraq, which is what ???Use of Force??? legally equates to. Rove, Bush, and the Administration has abused the limited power granted by Congress and re-interpreted, ???Use of Force??? and sold it to the American people as evidence of War Powers. This is word play, abuse of public perception, and the art of deception by definition. Rove claims to stand for moral high ground, strong American principles, and Law. Well he should realize that standing for Habeas Corpus is the Temple Mount of Moral High Ground.

  • Posted By: Johndavidprince @ 07/09/2008 8:06:48 PM

    Comment: If we were at war. There has not been any official declaration of war. James Baker and Warren Christopher should read the Constitution. Article 1, Section 8: Congress???s list of Responsibility: (Paraphrased): ???Provide for the common defence and general Welfare, regulate Commerce, coin money, Declare War, raise money to Arm and organize Armies, and to make Laws.??? They would notice the duties outlined of Congress and ???declaring war??? is left exclusively to the Congress. Baker believes that the just because the Constitution makes the president commander in chief. Yes the President is commander in chief of the military but this does not give him or her the power to ???declare war.??? The constitution never gives the President that power. Why, a little known concept called co-equal branches of government or the separation of powers. Once Congress ???declares war??? the President is the commander of how the military conducts that war. That is what a commander does, command, not declare. The War Powers Resolution of 1973 was put in place for a good reason. It is there to fortify what is already in the Constitution pertaining to Congress???s power to declare war. If Presidents continue to ignore the War Powers Act Congress should do its job and pass a law that forces the Presidents hand to obey the Law. Congress should act to hold Presidents accountable for ignoring the Constitution; rather than letting them off the hook. Getting rid of the War Powers Act would be giving in to Presidents who have no respect for the Rule of Law. Baker and Christopher should use some logic that includes the enforcement required to obey the Rule of Law, the Constitution. Just because people ignore a law is not a justification for throwing out the law. That is the art of giving in to those who break the law. ???Power makes men wanton???. It intoxicates the mind.??? Sam Adams, Boston Gazette, 1771

  • Posted By: fan_chor-cheung @ 07/09/2008 4:12:59 PM

    Comment: Logically McCain should be such "War Time President." More than 70% of all the soldiers either enlisted or recruited were Southerner from states south of Mason-Dixon Line. Arizona's is south of M. D. Line and part of the Great Southwest. All through history regardless of whether it is world history or American history, soldiers were led by and fight with the neighbors and friends. Their morals will certainly be heighten that way.

  • Posted By: Anju Chandel @ 07/08/2008 1:25:29 AM

    Comment: The American President is absolutely right in calling himself a "war president". After all, his middle name is War - George War Bush! (in James Bond 007 style!)

  • Posted By: The_epoch_point @ 07/05/2008 10:10:05 PM

    Comment: Wisconsin's unique landmarks once again find themselves in the pages of the latest novel to be presented to readers of history, thrillers and religion in a work that combines all three genres into an adventurous global conspiracy.

    The Epoch Point, just released on May 1 and written by Wisconsin native Spencer Zimmerman, is a fictional novel that includes historical facts, certain to intrigue history buffs who are interested in history from the local to the international level, especially as that history thrillingly plays out into what Zimmerman describes as a worldwide "conflict between God and the devil, good and evil."

    According to the book's synopsis, the lead character, Robert Davis, is "a young Airman fresh out of Air Force basic training," reflective of Zimmerman's own recent service in the Air Force. "After being held captive in China, (Davis) suddenly finds himself unraveling the most immense conspiracy in history...soon uncovering hidden facts suggesting Russian and Iraqi involvement...discovering the diary of Lee Harvey Oswald...As the clues surface, an evil emerges powerful enough to rewrite the entire history of humanity...before long the conspiracy takes on a supernatural form, marked by [natural disasters] and the wrath of God...Nothing [prepares] (Davis) for the final suspenseful twist the story takes, a da Vinci style revelation that reaffirms his belief in Christ."

    Zimmerman, having lived in several locations around Wisconsin, including near Lake Mills and Watertown, incorporated Wisconsin locations and history into his novel, among them a Viking cathedral on Washington Island and the events surrounding Wisconsin Senator Joseph McCarthy. Also mentioned is a small village outside of Burlington, Wisconsin, founded by a Mormon religious leader who proclaimed himself king, the only monarchy to ever occur in the forty-eight continental states in American history. Among the other Wisconsin landmarks in The Epoch Point, and most notably, the famous national landmark Aztalan is discussed at length.

  • Posted By: The_epoch_point @ 07/05/2008 10:09:46 PM

    Comment: Zimmerman's discussion of Aztalan in his book in part follows what Zimmerman calls the "darker" side of Aztalan, including its cannibalism and religious practices, and the instantaneous disappearance of its thriving population. Zimmerman's writing also seeks to make connections between Aztalan's existence with that of the Minoan civilization from Ancient Greece and Zoroastrian culture of the Middle East. All three peoples had similar beliefs, worshipped fire (one of Aztalan's mounds is believed to have been the abode of an "eternal" flame) and practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism.

    Zimmerman noted all of these "obscure (historical) connections," which ultimately inspired him to take the connections and formulate them into an adventurous plot. Writing his book took roughly two years.

    The book's chapters are titled after the sixty-six books of the Bible, and the plot progresses as Davis reads through each chapter of the Bible, opening the Bible for the first time in chapter one of The Epoch Point. Each chapter follows a "flashback" style in structure, in which the book's characters experience revelations of historical events and experiences from 4000 B.C. to the present, which allow them to observe how those events contributed to the global conspiracy they are presently confronting. Zimmerman states that the book's events begin on New Year's Eve of 2000, and end on Christmas of 2006.

    While writing novels remains at present a hobby for Zimmerman, he already has ideas for a second novel that he anticipates will follow a more scientific fiction path. The Epoch Point is currently available through Amazon.com, and Zimmerman is hoping to get copies of the book into some of Lake Mills's downtown novelty shops.
    -Emily Ann Paape Lake Mills Leader

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/05/2008 1:18:03 PM

    Comment: Comment: Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/05/2008 10:58:21 AM
    Comment: Barack Obama had the right as a U.S. Senator to go to look at Iraq. He did not. Then, one of his big vote getters was a promise to get us the hell out of Iraq. Now, nominated, he plans to go to Iraq to see if he needs to change his mind. I voted for him principally because he promised to get us the hell out of there. If he goes there and comes back to endorse staying there, then I reserve the right to flush my Obama vote down the toilet.

    HERES PROOF THAT THE OBAMA MESSIAH IS FALLING APART!

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/05/2008 8:53:31 AM

    Comment: This section of DiscoverTheNetworks examines Barack Obama's connections to a number of key individuals and organizations. In some cases, these affiliates are notable for the leftist views and objectives they share with Obama. In other cases, they are notable for their collaboration with Obama in controversial or unethical activities. In all cases, they offer a window into Barack Obama's values and priorities. Taken as a whole, they verify Thomas Sowell's observation that Obama has "spent decades aiding and abetting people who hate America."


    Radical and Socialist Influences:

    Saul Alinsky
    Bill Ayers
    Carl Davidson
    Frank Marshall Davis
    Democratic Socialists of America
    Bernardine Dohrn
    Gamaliel Foundation
    New Party
    Socialist Scholars Conference


    Political Allies and Advisors:

    Ali Abunimah
    Mohamed Salim Al-Churbaji
    David Axelrod
    Gregg Craig
    Jim Johnson
    Marilyn Katz
    Anthony Lake
    Robert Malley
    Alice Palmer
    Eli Pariser
    George Soros
    Cass Sunstein
    Dorothy Tillman
    Joyce Wheeler
    Tim Wheeler


    Religious Affiliations:

    Louis Farrakan
    Rev. Joseph Lowery
    James Meeks
    Rev. Otis Moss
    Rev. Michael Pfleger
    Rev. Al Sharpton
    Jim Wallis
    Rev. Jeremiah Wright


    Organizational Affiliations:

    ACORN
    Arab American Action Network
    Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, P.C.
    International Crisis Group
    MoveOn
    National Council of La Raza
    Planned Parenthood Federation of America
    Project Vote
    Sojourners


    Academic Affiliations:


    Rashid Khalidi
    Edward Said
    Cornel West


    Foundations:

    Joyce Foundation
    Woods Fund of Chicago


    Money Scandals:

    Nadhmi Auchi
    Robert Blackwell, Jr.
    Tony Rezko


    Family:

    Michelle Obama
    Raila Odinga

  • Posted By: lind56 @ 07/05/2008 8:39:10 AM

    Comment: Read these comments and tell me conservatives are not dumb. If I was a conservative, I would be truly embarrassed for my cause. Zakaria has written a thoughtful and valid article, but the conservative responses to it are..... bush-league brains.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/05/2008 12:01:45 PM

      Comment: no he has a thoughtful and valid title the article itself is crap.

  • Posted By: lind56 @ 07/05/2008 8:37:25 AM

    Comment: Read the comments in this forum and tell me conservatives are not dumb. If I was a conservative, I would be truly embarrassed for my cause. Zakaria has written, yet again, a thoughtful and valid commentary that conservatives seem incapable of responding to in a thoughtful and valid way. Bush-league brains.

    • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 07/06/2008 11:25:47 AM

      Comment: BINGO!

      OBAMA '08!................WE(THE PEOPLE) WANT CHANGE........AFTER BUSH...........ANY CHANGE!......LOL!

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/04/2008 10:37:11 AM

    Comment: WELL ITS THE FORTH OF JULY AND I'M GOING TO THE LAKE WITH MY FAMILY AND MY MARINE CORP BUDDIES WE ARE GOING TO PARTY !!! I'VE GOT MY TRUNKS AND THE SUN SCREEN FOR THE KIDS AND WE ARE ALL GOING TO WEAR OUR NEW OBAMA SLIPPERS ! (THEY ARE FORMERLY KNOWN AS FLIP FLOPS ) THATS WHAT WE ARE CALLING THEM! NOW OBAMA SLIPPERS ALL MY FREINDS SAY THAT IT FITS PERFECTLY... SO LOOK OUT AMERICA BECAUSE OBAMA SLIPPERS ARE COMMING TO A STORE NEAR YOU !!

    • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 07/04/2008 12:00:13 PM

      Comment: WILLNOTMATTERTHATYOUDON'TVOTEFOROBAMA IS A HYPERBOLE SPEWING CRY BABY OF THE SADDEST PROPORTION!..............LOL!

      HE WILL, IN A FIT BECOMING ONLY OF A 2 YEAR OLD, TWIST AND EXTREME ANYTHING YOU SAY BECAUSE HE IS ON THE VERGE OF SUICIDE OVER THE FACT THAT OBAMA WILL BE HIS NEW PRESIDENT..........................OH YEA,THAT AND PENIS ENVY!!!..........................LO FRIGGIN L!

      OBAMA '08! HE IS BLACK AND HE IS ...........YOUR ................NEW PRESIDENT!........LOL!

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/05/2008 7:23:02 AM

        Comment: you make no sense at all and therefore i would like to drive my size 11 marine combat boot up you ass!!

        • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 07/05/2008 11:01:27 AM

          Comment: MY EXPERIENCE WITH MARINES(ESPECIALLY THE ONES WHO NEVER STOP WEARING THE MILITARY CARD ON THEIR SLEEVES) IS THAT THEY WERE ALSO CONCERNED WITH MY ASS, BUT NOT THEIR BOOTS! HARD TO FORGET WHAT YOUR SEA-DADDY TAUGHT YOU, HUH!

          OBAMA '08! YEA WINNING IS THAT MUCH FUN, BUT WATCHING THE MELT DOWN IS BETTER!......LOL!

          • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/05/2008 1:54:32 PM

            Comment: HEY LIKITIS WHY DON'T UP GO BACK TO WORK AS A MOP JOCKY AT A PEEP SHOW BOOTH YOU LOVED THE SLIME THERE SO MUCH QUIT BRINGING IT HERE !!!

            • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 07/06/2008 10:20:45 AM

              Comment: WILLNOTMATTERTHATYOUDON'TVOTEFOROBAMA: ISN'T IT TIME FOR YOU TO "FALL ON YOUR KABAR"?.....................WE BOTH KNOW THIS ELECTION IS ALREADY OVER, AND YOUR BOY FRIEND MUST NEED MORE OF THAT MARINE LOVIN'!........LOL!

              OBAMA '08! HE WON'T ASK AND WON'T TELL!!.....SEE WE JUST WON OVER WILLNOTVOTEJARHEAD! ............................LOL!

      • Posted By: observer101 @ 07/04/2008 12:30:54 PM

        Comment: Well likeitis...Maybe if Obama gets elected you can help Im-a-denim-jacket from Iran apply lube to the *** of us americans...because we will be screwed.

        • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 07/04/2008 2:44:29 PM

          Comment: NO MAYBE........NO IF...............YOU KNOW IT AND I KNOW IT!

          OBAMA '08! ..............ALL OVER BUT THE CRYIN'! ..........AND I SEE YOU HAVE THAT COVERED! ...LOL!

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/04/2008 9:39:45 AM

    Comment: From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'
    From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'
    From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
    From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
    From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

    And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!

    From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

    • Posted By: OBWan @ 07/05/2008 11:33:03 PM

      Comment: willnotvoteobama @ 07/04/2008 9:39:45 AM
      Please post page or the entire paragraph. Thanks much.

  • Posted By: icurlamer @ 07/04/2008 7:24:14 AM

    Comment: no more WAR,that's what America needs, and she def. does not need a president that uses everything icludeing war to further their political party,i wouldnt be surprised to learn that Bush has been trying to invade Iran just so he could either run a third term or make it seem, SEEM, like mcaine is needed more becuz of war, all Bull#*%! of course........

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/04/2008 9:58:27 AM

      Comment: BULL *** MOST OF THOSE RAG HEADS THAT WERE RELEASED WENT BACK TO KILL AMERICANS ITS THE PANSIES LIKE YOU THAT MAKE THIS COUNTRY WEAK YOUR A SORRY ASS LIBERAL WHO WILL HIDE UNDER THE BED UNTIL THEY FIND YOU AND THEN GIVE UP ANYTHING TO KEEP FROM GETTING HURT SORRY ASS *** LIBERAL !!
      i hope israel bombs the snot out of iran and them iran will strike at american targrts and then we can finish the job since we're already there !!! hooo rahhh SEMPER FI !!!!

      • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 07/04/2008 11:05:14 AM

        Comment: WELL,........................NOW THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE COALITION OF GAY-EX-MARINES WITH MOMMY ISSUES..........NOW WE HAVE BEEN SCHOOLED!!.......LOL!

        OBAMA '08! BECAUSE THIS WANNA BE TOUGH GUY WANTS TO NEGATE HIS NANCY-BOY IMAGE!...LOL!

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/03/2008 4:05:13 PM

    Comment: We should go after Iran and anyone else that wishes to do us harm you people of the u.s. that think for one second that Iran wants to be friends or allies are sadly mistaken. Let me clear one thing up the people of Iran really don???t care about the u.s. other than trading they like the western apparel blue jeans etc. but the leaders of iran well that???s a different story they dispise us. They would rather see us dead than anything else! If the president of Iran had his way he would give all the countries fortunes to eliminate the United States and Israel! They believe that we are infidels and should be killed in accordance with Islamic law! You can say what you want about bush hell I have problems with some of his misgivings but two wrongs don???t make it right your very own barrack Hussein obama said that if needed we would go into Pakistan or Iran if he felt that they would harbor bin laden now bush well he has done some things that have left a bad taste in the peoples mouths and I don???t like it either but its all done now no turning back we can???t back down now nit would only lead to more attacks on our soil! So the real question is do we need a wartime president ? Well that is easy enough answered! Yes of course we do??? we need a president that will go to war anytime our country is threatened you can say what you want about Israel but they don???t take bombings or terrorist lightly they act and it has kept them from being destroyed this long with a little help from the u.s. just yesterday a terrorist got into a front end loader and drove through the streets killing people babies and all well the people of israel did what every american would do and that is stop him at all costs thay shot him dead right there and in my opinion he deserved it !! now some of you would have him pulled out and brought to trial and put him in prison well that to me is bull *** he did it they saw him doing it and thats that !

    • Posted By: icurlamer @ 07/04/2008 7:44:29 AM

      Comment: spoken like a true repub. patriot,,most of people in Gitmo, happened to be in wrong place wrong time,after 9/11 america puts bounty's out,if anyone sees anyone suspcious turn them in, and get paid, that's it .Many are terrorists,but alot arent and noone has the right to hold and torture people for years and years without any evidence of wrongdoing,,I in no way support the torture for any reason,we dont become our enenimy, for all you jerks that think America should torutre human beings,Iraq was not as huge a threat to America as you like to pretend,no alqaida in Iraq till U.S invaded,if Bush dropped the ball in Afghanistan to invade Iraq,so if you think he is a great war time pres, You must not understand he sucked at it,Warmongering does not equal a good war time pres. and never forgrt the actual person ,Usama Bin Laden was resposible for9/11, not Saddam and I will vte for Obama,he is the only SANE choice

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/04/2008 9:55:41 AM

        Comment: BULL *** MOST OF THOSE RAG HEADS THAT WERE RELEASED WENT BACK TO KILL AMERICANS ITS THE PANSIES LIKE YOU THAT MAKE THIS COUNTRY WEAK YOUR A SORRY ASS LIBERAL WHO WILL HIDE UNDER THE BED UNTIL THEY FIND YOU AND THEN GIVE UP ANYTHING TO KEEP FROM GETTING HURT SORRY ASS *** LIBERAL !!

        • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 07/04/2008 12:02:55 PM

          Comment: WILLNOTMATTERTHATYOUDON'TVOTEFOROBAMA IS A HYPERBOLE SPEWING CRY BABY OF THE SADDEST PROPORTION!..............LOL!

          HE WILL, IN A FIT BECOMING ONLY OF A 2 YEAR OLD, TWIST AND EXTREME ANYTHING YOU SAY BECAUSE HE IS ON THE VERGE OF SUICIDE OVER THE FACT THAT OBAMA WILL BE HIS NEW PRESIDENT..........................OH YEA,THAT AND PENIS ENVY!!!..........................LO FRIGGIN L!

          OBAMA '08! HE IS BLACK AND HE IS ...........YOUR ................NEW PRESIDENT!........LOL!

  • Posted By: Wired @ 07/03/2008 4:01:36 PM

    Comment: GOP = Grand OIL Party.

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/03/2008 4:09:57 PM

      Comment: wired you better not be driving anything that needs gas or else your with the GRAND OIL PARTY !! STUPID LIBERAL !!

      • Posted By: Wired @ 07/03/2008 11:57:26 PM

        Comment: You must be happy that your are being forced to vote for a man that is not a conservative and the majority of your party dislikes him.

        Yes I have a car, but I dont invade sovereign nations with it. 8-D

        • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/04/2008 10:00:46 AM

          Comment: I'L BE HAPPY WHEN THIS *** IS OVER !!!! THE WAR WHEN ITS FINISHED AND THE SORRY ASS LIBERALS WHEN THEY ARE FINSHED !!!

          • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 07/04/2008 11:08:52 AM

            Comment: AS FAR AS YOUR CANDIDATE..................IT HAS BEEN OVER FOR WEEKS!............LOL!

            OBAMA '08! TIME TO HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT RESPONDS TO THE WISHES OF HIS BOSSES....US!

            • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/05/2008 7:24:59 AM

              Comment: AND WHO DO YOU THINK THAT IS ?? MY GUESS IS GEORGE SOROS OR WILLIAM AYRES !!

  • Posted By: Wired @ 07/03/2008 4:01:17 PM

    Comment: Hos is it that "liberals" always get drug into these debates? Maybe I forgot, but whats the title of Bush ? Is he a a "liberal" ? Did a "liberal" start this war ? Lie to American and the world ?

    You GOP nuts (not all) need to come up with your own vocabulary and quit vomiting everything you hear from Limbaugh and Hannity.Sad.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 07/03/2008 12:45:50 PM

    Comment: Why did the US military cancel a news conference where they were going to display the "Iranian" weapons they found in Iraq? Because there WERE NO IRANIAN WEAPONS to display. Here are links supporting the fact that the weapons found in Iraq did not come from Iran:

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_05/013695.php
    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/05/fire_next_time.html
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/05/iraq-the-elusiv.html

    NOT TO MENTION that the Untied States itself has had a notable role in arming the insurgency. When the US dissolved the Iraqi Army, that flooded Iraq with weapons. More recently the Pentagon admitted that it had lost track of a third of the weapons distributed to Iraqi security forces in 2004-05, totaling 190,000 assault rifles and pistols that are currently on the streets of Iraq. The British paper that published this article got it's information straight from the US Government Accounting Office's public website:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-admits-190000-weapons-missing-in-iraq-460551.html

    Ask yourself, why would America want to pretend that Iran is pushing weapons in Iraq, when actually WE (the USA) has flooded Iraq's streets with weapons? Because Bush wants to declare war on Iran, and just like the fake "WMDs" in Iraq, he needs something to frighten Americans, so he comes out with this BS about Iran killing US soldiers in Iraq. He has also said that Iran is making nuclear weapons, but recent inspections have found NO EVIDENCE of nuclear weapons in Iran. JUST LIKE how repeated inspections found NO EVIDENCE of WMDs in Iraq. The reports of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the UN inspectors and nuclear experts at the Institute for Strategic and International Studies (ISIS) all agree that Iran DOES NOT have nuclear weapons. The IAEA report states that Iran only has "low enriched uranium, not the highly-enriched uranium necessary to produce a bomb." The ISIS reports states "It is important to note that they do not encompass the full scope of work required for a comprehensive nuclear weapons program. Missing is theoretical work on nuclear weapons, uranium metallurgy, and the development of a neutron initiator." http://www.yirmeyahureview.com/articles/2008/iaea_report_on_iran.htm#_ftn9

    In case you think the idea that Bush wants to bomb Iran is reactionary, you should know that John Bolton, former US Ambassador to the UN, recently told FoxNews that he can "definitely envision Bush bombing Iran before he leaves office." By bombing Iran, Bush makes it more likely McCain will be elected. But can the US Treasury, can the US economy stand more war? Even if we could afford it, we don't have the manpower in uniform. You know what that means: draft and conscription. Vote for McCain. Watch your children come home in body bags. Watch America go into a Great Depression.

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/03/2008 4:25:10 PM

      Comment: HERE ARE SOME LINKS WITH PICTURES OF THE IRANIAN WEAPONS THAT ARE BEING USED TO KILL OUR BELOVED TROOPS THIS SHOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR YA UNLESS YOU NEED TO SEE THAT IRANIAN PRESIDENT HANDING THEM OUT !!!!www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17097658
      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/11/iraq/main2458318.shtml http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2007/02/12/iran-weapon-cp-163504.jpg http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/02/12/iran-us.html

      • Posted By: icurlamer @ 07/04/2008 7:58:20 AM

        Comment: Enter Your CommentBush is useing 400 million $$ to invade Iran in secretops to kdnap Iranian police officers and is interogateing them in iraq,Our beloved troops have no business in Iran,America cant invade the whole world not only for morality but we have borrowed enff money from china, If you repub's want war then you should pay for it all and use your family and freinds to fight it.

        • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/04/2008 10:05:56 AM

          Comment: WE WILL FIGHT AND WIN AT ALL COSTS EVEN IF WE HAVE TO SUIT UP YOU SORRY ASS LIBERALS WE WILL FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRYA ND NOT COMPROMISE IT FOR THE SAKE OF THE LIBERAL AGENDA !IT IS US THAT ARE TRUE AMERICANS THE ONES THAT FIGHT NOT STAY AT HOME AND PROTEST THE WARS WE FIGHT YOU SHOULD STAY IN YOUR HOUSE TODAY OR YOU MIGHT GET KNOCKED DOWN BY A REAL AMERICAN WHOSE IS OUT ENJOYING THIS GREAT HOLIDAY THE DAY OF OUR INDEPENDANCE !!!!!!

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 1:03:50 PM

      Comment: propaganda machine is at it again. I remember when bringing aid and comfort to the enemy was a crime.

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/03/2008 1:50:25 PM

        Comment: It's only cowards gibbering with fear - and spoiled presidents who have little to no understanding of actual geopolitics - who consider Iran "the enemy".

        To any Iranians who may be following this thread, I apologize unconditionally for the actions and words of my countrymen. I may have no power to decide the issue personally, but given the chance to express my views, I cannot and will not sign off on this kind of ignorance.

        • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 3:44:53 PM

          Comment: sir I will put my understanding of the middle east up against yours anyday. The Iranians are a threat to this country because they supply weapons to our enemies. How do you think Al qaeda gets from Afganistan to Iraq? I have friends that are Iranian I don't consider the people of Iran our enemies but I do consider their leadership a threat to our people.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 07/03/2008 1:45:19 PM

        Comment: Dear OnePoke, I am far from being a proponent of Iran, nor am I unaware of the the very real, very horrible problems in that nation itself. In fact, a good close look at Iran, which is controlled by radical right wing Muslims, should remind any American of why we don't want OUR country to be controlled by radical right wing Christians. Separation of church and state is a beautiful thing.

        Oh, and, just for the record, Iran is not our enemy. We are not at war with Iran at this time. Save that rhetoric for later, you're going to need it to justify the Bush-McCain circus.

        • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 3:50:37 PM

          Comment: Radical right Muslims and Radical right christians are not the same group. A nice tie in the media has been trying to create for years. The muslims don't even have a Right wing vs Left wing agenda in their system it is just a name painted on them by the left wing media to discredit right wing groups in the USA. It is no more similar than saying the Left wing americans should be kept from power because look what happened when the Nazi (socialist) party took over Germany in the 1930's.
          .

          • Posted By: icurlamer @ 07/04/2008 8:04:38 AM

            Comment: Enter Your Comments lol The radical crazy christains versuses the crazy radial muslims, yes very similar in actions and deeds....just call God by diff. name Onepoker look what happened in Germany is right,look at yourself and the way you repub's have follwed him like cattle,that's whats similar between then and now, to the Bush admin. the only administration to actually have a dept. of propaganda

        • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 3:40:15 PM

          Comment: anyone that supplies weapons to our enemies is the enemy.. I know its hard for you guys to grasp this but they are contributing to the death of Americans everyday.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 07/03/2008 12:44:51 PM

    Comment: Did you know McCain has had 4 different campaign managers? McCain just can't get it right. He keeps changing managers, as if it is their fault that he can not succeed. Fact is, McCain is NOT a good candidate.

    After his first run at the Presidency when he got swift boated by Bush, his manager John Weaver got McCain to play "Maverick" and cross party lines to become a NeoLiberal. McCain almost changed parties and became a Democrat and Kerry's running mate, but at the 11th hour he switched horses again and hired Terry Nelson to manage him. Nelson is a strong GOP establishmentarianist, and got McCain to throw himself behind Bush, with promises of the GOP giving him the 2008 nomination. But Nelson didn't last, because the strategy failed. The right wing was suspicious of McCain because McCain voted against abortion, for gay rights and for gun control during his "maverick" phase. They didn't know if they could trust him. Also, Nelson spent money hand over fist, nearly bankrupting McCain's campaign. So he replaced him with Rick Davis, who was at the helm for the past year. Davis is a fiscal conservative, made McCain sell that expensive big bus, and made McCain mind his manners and act polite in public. But now, Davis has been fired too. Why? Because McCain is getting desperate, and the gloves are coming off. His new manager is Steve Schmidt, a Rove disciple and former Rove employee. McCain has also hired Nicole Wallace and Greg Jenkins to head his "Communications Team." Nic and Greg are also former Rove employees, masters of the art of swift boat smear campaigns. McCain going to let the Rove bulldogs off the leash. Look out, America, this is going to get ugly.

    My prediction: the 20% of America that is made up of ignorant jingoists will be cheering to see Rove's bloody tactics. But you know what? They were all going to vote for McCain anyway. The rest of America will be so disgusted by the hatchet work of the NeoCons that they will vote AGAINST McCain.

    The "last resort" tactic of the GOP to win this election will be to bomb Iran, starting another war. Mark my words, if McCain is not doing well in September, Bush will bomb Iran. He is already setting the stage for this, by saying that Iran has nuclear weapons, even thought inspections by the United Nations and the International Atomic Energy Agency have both found NO EVIDENCE of nuclear weapons. REMIND YOU OF ANYTHING? It's the fake "weapons of mass destruction" all over again. And did you know that on June 26, Bush, very quietly, declared a state of National Emergency? During a National Emergency the President can DECLARE WAR without waiting for the approval of Congress.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/06/20080626-4.html

    It is going to be a very bumpy ride, America, so hold on, and DON'T LET BUSH AND ROVE STEAL ANOTHER ELECTION. I wouldn't mind so much if they were good for the economy, but let's face it, they destroying America. I

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 1:05:31 PM

      Comment: MCCain 08 because he is a change we can live with and a change that will benefit us all.

      • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 07/03/2008 2:07:23 PM

        Comment: thats a heart touching comment... you have some evidence for that??

        • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 3:51:54 PM

          Comment: I didn't think the libs needed anymore than a touchy slogan. and since I am trying to appeal to them I will save the adult conversation for more intellectual boards.

  • Posted By: observer101 @ 07/03/2008 12:23:15 PM

    Comment: Um Pakistan gov were going after your beloved thugs that holed up in the mosque..Its there fault for putting little girls there in danger...They could have fought like men, but chose to be cowards and run to a holy place....Most of the dead from the Iraq war is mostly from your fellow vest bombers incompetence and blowing them selves up in the middle of markets were ppl were buying dinner for there families...They are the true murderers in this...The U.S> Military makes certain to avoid as best it can civilian casualties...Its your cowardly, brainwashed, simpleton, extremist friends that take the battles to there own ppl and hide amongst them in mosques and schools in a desperate bid to get away..Blame them and your big mouthed Saddam for bringing us there, then you can blame your own government for not doing there end of the deal to get us out of Iraq...So we will be there as long as your extremist friends keep up the recruiting of idiots and blowing up the innocents.

  • Posted By: Sultan Ahmed @ 07/03/2008 12:01:12 PM

    Comment: Hell and paradize,two different places created by God.
    Someone wante to make their homeland like paradize and some of them have desire to put their own people in to burning hell.

    Here is live example,what had done by the leaders in Kenya,
    what are leaders doing in Zimbabwe,Mugabe has become blood-succer of their own people.
    having remaining long time in power he has more thirst and for this purpose has created hovoc and converted the state in to a buring hell.He is 84 but don't like to see the way to go up colourefull cermonies has become essential part of his imortal life.


    On the other hand,see the activities of the president of Islamic Republic of Pakistan,he committed a crime uforgiveable,killed minor shildern including gilrls when they were citing quraan in the Mosque.Why he did so? for power, for money.he tooi action those wanted to impose Islamic system in the country.


    In this way,
    single super power presiden,namely Bush is on the top list in this regard,No doubt,he has a tiltle of killing tens of thousand in iraq,and have a same number in Afghanistan.
    he has changed the meanings of freedom fighter and terrorists by propoganda campiagn.

    Fabricated jails were constructed on off shore Cuba,water boardings were also made with paingivening stalls for gaining confession.

    I am sure,
    all detainees of Gauntama Bay would have hanged because the court,Millitary commission would never leave alive anyone undercustody.
    they(detainees) would have already been declared directely involved in the 9/11 incident.

    It can be said ,the abovementioned presidents are rightly called ,WAR PRESIDENTS>

  • Posted By: observer101 @ 07/03/2008 11:57:50 AM

    Comment: Washbad...Your drivel is a fine example of how the enemy works...From inside...They can get simple minded clowns like yourself worked up about your own free country...Show you some picks of our boys in uniform injured and you start wanting to pull out and hide...YOU SUCK ..Keep your head in the dirt and inhale..Or better yet go to your comrades in arms in Afghanistan and fight against us...Im sure your then bearded ass will be on tv as a traitor and a cowardly brainwashed suicide bomber, then you will have pride in doing your fellow fanatics good...Im sure there are plenty of Americans (you not included)that would love to bear arms for the country and fight for our families future freedoms...Be it for oil or not they will stand for there country and do great in representing us....ppl like you unfortunately stick out like gangrene and need to be amputated out of society...Fortunate for you our freedoms cover your stupidity too huh?

  • Posted By: Sheererboy @ 07/03/2008 11:51:49 AM

    Comment: The war was a waste of American lives and time and we don't need a wartime president, we need a president that can affectivly and safly get us out of the war befroe more lives are lost!!!

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/03/2008 3:58:36 PM

      Comment: We should go after Iran and anyone else that wishes to do us harm you people of the u.s. that think for one second that Iran wants to be friends or allies are sadly mistaken. Let me clear one thing up the people of Iran really don???t care about the u.s. other than trading they like the western apparel blue jeans etc. but the leaders of iran well that???s a different story they dispise us. They would rather see us dead than anything else! If the president of Iran had his way he would give all the countries fortunes to eliminate the United States and Israel! They believe that we are infidels and should be killed in accordance with Islamic law! You can say what you want about bush hell I have problems with some of his misgivings but two wrongs don???t make it right your very own barrack Hussein obama said that if needed we would go into Pakistan or Iran if he felt that they would harbor bin laden now bush well he has done some things that have left a bad taste in the peoples mouths and I don???t like it either but its all done now no turning back we can???t back down now nit would only lead to more attacks on our soil! So the real question is do we need a wartime president ? Well that is easy enough answered! Yes of course we do??? we need a president that will go to war anytime our country is threatened you can say what you want about Israel but they don???t take bombings or terrorist lightly they act and it has kept them from being destroyed this long with a little help from the u.s.

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 07/03/2008 12:11:26 PM

      Comment: Yes and we can sit and watch the clouds go by again...Kinda like we did before september 11, 2001. Nobody would bother us...Our military will be at home sleeping soundly, extremists wouldnt plan on attacking our military barracks or our peaceful military ships out for a leisurly sail. Osama would go back to playing backgammon or his Nintendo DS and preach peace and prosperity as he has always done. And if we are attacked again we can just send happy letters for a couple of years to the UN asking the poor peaceful extremists to please leave us alone as we are sure it was a case of mistaken identity or we will us marshmallow guns as to not cause damage to there little mud huts and bingo halls...Because we now know that they wouldnt EVER even think of destroying us, no proof of nukes or bioweapons, so they would never harm us...Ahhh the sweet sunny days...Hey lets go to Mister Rogers neighborhood and see whats going on there..Wake up freak.

  • Posted By: captain_america @ 07/03/2008 6:56:43 AM

    Comment: What a biased and naive article. Your conclusion that we don't need a war-time president based on the fact that Al-Qaeda has been weakened is precariously dim-witted and naive at best. However, it's much more likely that it is dangerously arrogant. Underestimating the Al-Qaeda threat is what Bill Clinton did best and it is exactly the reason why we are having to deal with them so forcefully now. How easily we forget the lessons of history!

    This article just sounds like it was written by the Obama campain. Oh, well. It's not like it's any different from the rest of the trash the media is force-feeding America right now.

    • Posted By: washchadblip @ 07/03/2008 9:33:28 AM

      Comment: Republican Senator CHARLES HAGEL: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America's national interest. What the hell do you think they're talking about? We're not there for figs." (Speaking at Catholic University, Sept. 24, 2007)

      Former Federal Reserve Chairman ALAN GREENSPAN, in his book The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World: "I'm saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: The Iraq war is largely about oil."

      Democratic Senator JOHN TESTER: "We're still fighting a war in Iraq and people who are honest about it will admit we're there over oil." (Associated Press, Sept. 24, 2007)

      General JOHN ABIZAID: retired commander of CENTCOM: "Of course it's about oil, we can't really deny that." (Speaking at Stanford University, Oct. 13, 2007)

      Weapons of mass destruction? Freedom on the march? To kill Osama? Blah. Blech. It's oil, oil, oil. And Bush's right hand is dripping oil and his left hand is dripping blood. Just like yours, Bush voter.

    • Posted By: washchadblip @ 07/03/2008 9:30:22 AM

      Comment: Enlist, coward. That's what the make-believe Captain America would do. So, make believe that you have a spine and enlist.

      I can see you charging the enemy line now, yelling, "Bill Clinton didn't have a spine, but I do!"

      Actually, I can't see you doing that and neither can you. We both know you're a coward. You vote for Bush, who starts oil wars and doesn't finish them and you both call that patriotism.

  • Posted By: washchadblip @ 07/02/2008 11:46:46 PM

    Comment: What we need are Bush voters to serve in Iraq. They voted for a war president. It's time for them to NOT emulate the draft dodging Governor Bush and pony up some arms, legs, eyes, and lives.

    • Posted By: Wired @ 07/03/2008 12:15:56 AM

      Comment: Haha, thats great and true. If they support the war so much then they should join the military and die for their country !

      • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 9:42:35 AM

        Comment: by the way the goal is to kill for your country death is viewed as an accident.

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/03/2008 1:52:20 PM

          Comment: Little too eager to go killing there, no?

          It's called "murder" outside of the context of a legitimate conflict. And it takes a lot more to call for peace in this country than war. Your bravado doesn't hide your cowardice and eagerness to take pleasure in the suffering of others.

          • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 3:55:50 PM

            Comment: I'm not spewing bravado I am just laying out the fact that we don't send our soldiers over there with the intention of them dying we send them over there with the hopes that they can kill the enemy. Some of them of course die and we regret every American life lost along with every innocent life lost but that is the price for imposing our will on the enemy. I know you think its wrong to impose our will on anyone you would rather sing kumbaya and hope the bad guys never visit us.

  • Posted By: rontruth @ 07/02/2008 9:57:26 PM

    Comment: In the case of this current "war," it seems strange that some would suggest we need a "war-time president," when all the known, hard evidence clearly shows that our leaders knew one h--l of a lot more about what were the coming atttacks of 9/11/01, and tried to hide the fact, until President Bush's Press Secretary at that time, Ari Fleicher, told a stunned White Houser Press Corps briefing that Osama bin Laden had indeed written a letter to President Bush telling Bush that he planned to hijac k " several airplanes and fly them into a uiliding or two in lower Manhattan and a military facility of some sort in northern Virginia, and that Bush should consider himself "warned." See, online, Michael Kinsleys' "The Hindsight Saga" for the text of that letter that Fliecher said Bush told him he "had read several days before 9/11/01.

    Since the Bush Adminstiration apparently let 9/11 happen, did it benefit anyone? Only the big Texas oil corporations who sent Cheney's Halliburton to control the oil reserves!

  • Posted By: SkiUSA @ 07/02/2008 9:29:16 PM

    Comment: Iran is voting for their wartime favorite. Iran votes for Obama!

  • Posted By: GregHere @ 07/02/2008 5:29:33 PM

    Comment: ............................................Wartime President....B.S....This is a term that attempts to glorify war. What we have is an Interventionist, Imperialist Country that attempts to bully and control the world. Why can the United States be like Canada and many other Countries in the world that lifes at peace and the leadership takes care of improving the lives of its people?????

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/02/2008 9:08:03 PM

      Comment: Greg move to Canada or if you already live there then enjoy waiting in line for your doctor ehye. you freaking hoser. Canada has helped us in Afganistan and they are good neighbors but when good people do nothing Evil wins if you don't believe in Evil then the people with views very different from our own win. Their views include Killing innocent civilians, stoning adulterers to death, Hanging homosexuals, denying women the rights to go to school, if a woman is raped she can be forced to marry her attacker.

      I know we should honor other cultures and bla bla bla but get real these people will kill us if we don't stomp them out like the cockroaches they are.

      But Iraq didn't do anything they were a peace loving dictatorship that only gassed their own villagers and only invaded their neighbors once before we attacked them. Liberals are the rebellious teens of America they think they know everything and blame big bad dad for all the troubles in their meaningless lives. Well If you think running away from your problems and a little change of president is going to help you I have news for you.

      Your going to run away to the big city and under those bright lights you will find the smooth talking guy that promises to take care of you is actually a monster who will offer you a treat but then beat you up and pass you around to his friends before sending you out into the night to bring home some cash. Yea sweetie he will take care of you good.

      • Posted By: washchadblip @ 07/03/2008 12:47:01 AM

        Comment: Why aren't you in Iraq? If you believe that this war is just, then fight it. The military needs bodies. Be one of those bodies.

        • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 1:07:02 AM

          Comment: because someone needs to stay here or you hippies will overrun the country.

          • Posted By: washchadblip @ 07/03/2008 9:21:41 AM

            Comment: You're a coward. You start wars by voting for Bush and let others fight them. Coward, coward, coward. Walk away from your keyboard and enlist and be a coward no more.

            • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 9:35:37 AM

              Comment: Coward hugh? strong words from behind your keyboard.

              • Posted By: Nins @ 07/03/2008 1:48:30 PM

                Comment: Hippies, One Poke? Your long grey hair is showing.

                • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 3:57:08 PM

                  Comment: Ah I miss my hair! lol

          • Posted By: ES NYC @ 07/03/2008 2:38:23 AM

            Comment: My Friend (you probably like to be called like this), your are definitely wrong and your post is exposing your flawed thinking and your lack of integrity.
            Canadians might have to wait longer for government provided health care, but at least they are not dying while waiting like this poor lady as seen on every TV channel and Youtube in today's America...

          • Posted By: ES NYC @ 07/03/2008 2:33:09 AM

            Comment: ege

            • Posted By: ES NYC @ 07/03/2008 2:47:20 AM

              Comment: If you think for one second those that you call liberals, are not aware of any 'Evil' or don't consider the Talibans or al Qaeda enemies you are only showing your own bias or lack of critical thinking.And since when are you caring about homosexuals? ...hehe just kidding! You need to understand that it is not their culture, it is a way to exercise control of the society for the control of it's resources: Opium

              • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 10:20:03 PM

                Comment: does it matter why they do it? Is it ever the right thing to hang people who are gay? I fail to see how stoning adulterers helps them with the opium trade. They are the bad guys that may be politically incorrect but the fact is we have to pick A side and I choose the American side.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/02/2008 4:51:36 PM

    Comment: Evil will oft evil mars", J R R Tolkien wrote. It is conceivable that Barack Obama, if elected, will destroy himself before he destroys the country. Hatred is a toxic diet even for someone with as strong a stomach as Obama. As he recalled in his 1995 autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Obama idealized the Kenyan economist who had married and dumped his mother, and was saddened to learn that Barack Hussein Obama, Sr, was a sullen, drunken polygamist. The elder Obama became a senior official of the government of Kenya after earning a PhD at Harvard. He was an abusive drunk and philanderer whose temper soured his career.

    The senior Obama died in a 1982 car crash. Kenyan government officials in those days normally spent their nights drinking themselves stupid at the Pan-Afrique Hotel. Two or three of them would be found with their Mercedes wrapped around a palm tree every morning. During the 1970s I came to know a number of them, mostly British-educated hollow men dying inside of their own hypocrisy and corruption.

    Both Obama and the American public should be very careful of what they wish for. As the horrible example of Obama's father shows, there is nothing worse for an embittered outsider manipulating the system from within than to achieve his goals - and nothing can be more terrible for the system. Even those who despise America for its blunders of the past few years should ask themselves whether the world will be a safer place if America retreats into a self-pitying shell.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/02/2008 5:27:13 PM

      Comment: I shall not blame the son for the sins of the father, but it seems that at least in the mind of some people, the burden of sin should indeed pass from father to son. Passing the blame is unfair; the younger Obama has not repeated the sins of his father.

      And I do not believe America is self-pitying; I believe it is economically wounded. Should we not take action to heal ourselves, the wounds may become serious.

      • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/02/2008 8:52:29 PM

        Comment: vigil I agree with you that we can't hold Obama accountable for the actions of his father. As for America rather than self pity it suffers from self hate. No other nation on earth slashes at its own veins as often as America. Those of us who don't join in on the hate America montra are considered evil doers by those who constantly chant that America uses 25% of the worlds resources without any consideration for the fact that we pay for the resources with our dollars. Others of us cry about how unfair we are or that consumerism is ruining the world. let me tell you something people in grass huts don't have to buy coca cola they choose too and if they do we aren't forcing it on them.

  • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/02/2008 4:19:00 PM

    Comment: Just as one talking point before I go...

    True or false statement: "The Powell Doctrine was fully observed in the decision of the United States to go to war with Iraq." Discuss.

    • Posted By: Porkov @ 07/02/2008 4:31:19 PM

      Comment: Another visit to Wikipedia, where it is revealed that the Powell Doctrine, based on the Weinberger Doctrine, was created by journalists, not Powell. Nevertheless - I believe we thought we were. as much as possible, taking into consideration Moltke's theory of war: *No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.*

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/02/2008 4:53:33 PM

        Comment: Well, you've given me two talking points.

        1. You need to understand the term. The name "Powell Doctrine" was created by journalists as a name for the doctrine, after the office it came from. It's a real military doctrine with eight points, which are described in the article you mentioned. I'll go into it more if you read up.

        2. I'm not familiar with military history especially. But you've got me a bit interested. I will read Moltke; the Wikipedia article for "Powell Doctrine" mentions Carl von Clausewitz as a predecessor to the Powell Doctrine principles. Perhaps we can discuss this further after more reading.

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 07/02/2008 5:50:21 PM

          Comment: So...after reading about Moltke a bit, it seems his warfare was the warfare of empire. The wars that created the German Empire did not lead to a lasting peace; I have to wonder if that was due to his theories of military precedence over civilian affairs. It seems he rejected Clausewitz' arguments that overall strategic planning was a wartime as well as peacetime necessity. I truly wonder whether or not that kind of thinking is shaping our domestic difficulties now...so I would reject Moltke's theories of war as you have stated them.

          • Posted By: Porkov @ 07/02/2008 6:43:48 PM

            Comment: Please define "lasting peace." I fear I may be entering another semantic black hole.
            "Empire" is another one of those over/under-defined terms, and the more it gets bandied about the more I must try to divine meaning from context. The US, by virtue of its military and economic strength and the ideals expressed in its fundamental documents, has a significant sphere of influence, but does this make it an empire? There is no emperor (naked or otherwise), there are no colonies, and the extent