Obama: Christian, Not Muslim

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  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/04/2008 10:33:59 AM

    WELL ITS THE FORTH OF JULY AND I'M GOING TO THE LAKE WITH MY FAMILY AND MY MARINE CORP BUDDIES WE ARE GOING TO PARTY !!! I'VE GOT MY TRUNKS AND THE SUN SCREEN FOR THE KIDS AND WE ARE ALL GOING TO WEAR OUR NEW OBAMA SLIPPERS ! (THEY ARE FORMERLY KNOWN AS FLIP FLOPS ) THATS WHAT WE ARE CALLING THEM! NOW OBAMA SLIPPERS ALL MY FREINDS SAY THAT IT FITS PERFECTLY... SO LOOK OUT AMERICA BECAUSE OBAMA SLIPPERS ARE COMMING TO A STORE NEAR YOU !!

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 06/30/2008 6:15:07 PM

    By his own admission, Obama does not adhere to certain tenets of the Christian faith, including the belief that those who do not acknowledge Christ as savior will go to hell.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/30/2008 6:41:39 PM

      Yikes pearson! I cannot believe you would post this! First, whatever happened to separation of church and state? Second, I hope you do not truly believe that anyone not acknowledging Christ as savior will go to hell. I'm a Catholic and I don't believe that. Jesus or God or any God of any faith would want us to live a good life and be good to everyone. That's what faith is all about whether it's the Christian faith, the Muslim faith, Jewish faith, the Buddism, Hindu and many others. Eesh, pearson you really worry me.

      • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 06/30/2008 6:59:17 PM

        Obama doesn't even believe there is a hell.

        As for acknowledging Christ as savior, that is a tenet of the Christian faith. If you are a Christian, you believe that Christ is the way to God, the only way, because we as sinners are not capable of complying with God's laws.

        If everyone is saved, no matter what they believe, if there is no hell, what does it mean to believe Christ is the savior? Why bother?

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/30/2008 10:02:34 PM

          Then, do you believe that people of other religions who don't believe in Christ as the savior, are going to go to hell when they die? I don't.

          • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 07/01/2008 12:15:04 PM

            What is hell?

            Many Christians believe hell is separation from God, and believe that those who know of Christ and do not confess him to be God's son are separating themselves from God.

            In that sense, then yes, those who do not confess belief in Christ are going to hell.

            Maybe you define hell differently, or consider the condemnation of sinners who do not seek redemption through Christ to be beyond the capacity of a merciful God. The way many Christians see it, it is the individual who is condemning himself, not God.

            • Posted By: the-commish @ 07/02/2008 11:24:24 PM


              I have another piece of news for you, Pearsoncrz:

              God is not only merciful, but JUST.

              A just God does not condemn people who have had no opportunity to know the truth (and there have been lots of those folks throughout human history) to eternal damnation!

              I do agree with one thing you said: namely, the individual condemns him/her self, and not the Supreme Being.

              Here is another tidbit that you might not know: God cannot do ALL things. God can do all things DOABLE. As an example, God can turn a circle into a square, but God cannot make something a circle and a square AT THE SAME TIME. It's not doable, and even God cannot do it..

              • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 07/04/2008 12:56:14 AM

                Christians do not attempt to understand God's justice. We tend to think of justice in legalistic terms, as something deserved or earned.

                Was it just for Christ to die on the cross?

                Is it "just" that babies contract aids from their mothers and die horrible deaths?

                Those who do not seek a right relationship with God separate themselves from Him, and in so doing, suffer the separation which is hell. It is not a question of justice or earning a place in heaven by being a "good" person. What does that mean anyway, to be a "good" person? Much harm has been done in history in the name of "good."

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/03/2008 12:32:36 PM

                Second. Excellent comment.

          • Posted By: dreffein @ 07/01/2008 4:45:16 AM

            Pia - I've had the same argument with the far right Christians. The do believe that jews, muslims, etc., will all go to hell since they don't believe in JC. Even people who never heard of JC go to hell. It certainly isn't what I was taught or believe (and I was raised Catholic as well - although the far right Christians don't have much use for us either).

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/01/2008 2:51:03 PM

              Hi Dref. How are you?

              This argument really disturbs and disheartens me. I'm glad you feel as I do.

              • Posted By: dreffein @ 07/02/2008 6:40:16 PM

                Pia - I'm bored. The articles are soooooo very boring. I think I might sign off until after the conventions or at least until the VPs are picked or some real news event. This is turning into People magazine (although I do like People better than Newswack). I do enjoy, however, seeing what's going on so I might be back earlier than I think.

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 9:15:36 PM

                  Hi Dreffein, I'm bored too but I'm not going to sign off. I'm going to just cut back my time spent here. Dref. I wish you wouldn't leave, if you do it will be even more boring. Too many people are leaving. It's getting depressing. Glimps is gone temporarely I hope. Alvy is gone, and Tired and Old, I don't know where he is. Even Marksgershenson left last week. We can't abandon ship now.

                  • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 07/03/2008 12:18:50 AM

                    I will be back Pia, dreffein...Mahalo

                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/03/2008 7:27:38 AM

                      Mark! Glad you are visiting, missed you. Are you checking up on us? Good. As you can see we are being abandoned and I can't hold down the fort by myself. I don't do cut and paste and I don't have the time to post links etc...... Dref and I are lonely and bored....... Please come back Mark, thanks.

                      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/03/2008 8:51:14 AM

                        PS Mark, Mahalo-what does it mean? Hawaiin word?

        • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 07/02/2008 3:03:52 AM

          n Hell, the least punishment will be that the people will be given fire shoes to wear, with this the person's brain will boil, like water boils in the kettle. The person will think he will be having the most punishment even though this punishment will be the least. In Hell, starvation will trouble people. They will ask for food to eat. They will get Zaqqoom. This is going to be so disgusting that if one drop of this falls on the earth the whole of the earth's things will start to smell and become disgusting. A type of food will be given to them called Daree. This will also get stuck in their throats. To bring it down they will ask for water but they will get hot pus, which will be so dirty that if a bucket full of this falls on the world the whole world will become sour. It is going to be so hot that when the people of Hell put their faces down to drink it their faces will burn. When they drink this, it will cut everything inside their stomach. This will always happen with them. Bad Muslims may go to Hell, but they will not stay in Hell forever. Allah decides how long He wants them to stay. At the end of their punishment, they will go to Heaven. If Allah wants, he can forgive them or punish them. People, who do good deeds to show people, will go to a place in Hell called Hub-Hub. This is a very bad place of Hell and is so terrible that the other parts of Hell ask protection from it. The people of Hell will want to die, but they can't die because the Angel will have slaughtered death on the Day of Judgement. The people who worshipped statues, the stars, the moon etc, in their life on earth, will be with them. Allah wants to show them that they worshipped these things on earth, but now they are with them, but they can't help. The Devil (Shaytaan) will also be in Hell. The people will say to him, "You misled us, we are here because of YOU!" Devil will say, "Allah sent Prophets, and He sent books. You know I was wrong, so why did you follow me?"

          • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/03/2008 10:50:51 AM

            HERES SOME MUSLIM BUMPER STICKERS>>>>>My other car is a bomb

            This vehicle makes wide right turns into buildings

            Allah is my co-pilot

            My other car is a flying carpet.

            I'd rather be Jihading.

            If you don't like the way I drive, stay out of the World Trade Center

            Keep honking. I am rewiring.

            Visualize World Jihad

            0 to KABOOM in .2 seconds.

            Support our suicidal extremists

            My 12-year-old can blow up your honor student

            In case of Jihad this car will be exploded

            What part of ULLULULULULULULU did you not understand? - Allah

            72 Virgins or Bust!

            Martyrs do it like it's their last time

            My kid and YOUR money go to Gitomo Bay.

            I'm Muslim but you're ugly and I can blow myself up

            Baby Terrorist On Board

            If you can read this, there's a car bomb in the trunk.

            After I pray, I slay.

            Proud parent of Suicide Bomber!

            A terrorist is my co-pilot

            Fatah you looking at?

            Don't blame me, I voted for Saddam

            Honk if you Beat your Wife

            If the van is a rockin Allah will soon be knockin

            Driver carries only $20 worth of C4


            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/03/2008 12:31:56 PM

              Please do not post this!

              • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/03/2008 5:07:04 PM

                i have no respect for allah or mohamed there is no way that allah is god not for christians anyway our god lives and thier god died if it is god how did he die ? also mohamed was a pedifile he molested little girls as young as 10 yrs old its in the quaran ask a muslim if it is true my god lives thier god is dead just like the golden calfs people use to worship it got melted down and it was gone mine lives JESUS LIVES !!!!

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/03/2008 5:35:25 PM

                  Take my advice and stop posting nonsense.

              • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/03/2008 5:02:11 PM

                it is america fredom to say and write what i want !!! are you afraid the muslims will get angry and show thier true colors ??

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/03/2008 5:34:53 PM

                  No, I'm not afraid. Yes, you have freedom of speech to post what you want and I have the same freedom to post a rebutall.

        • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 07/02/2008 3:04:19 AM

          The non-believers will ask the Angel's who are in charge of Hell to ask Allah to forgive them. When the Angel's request Allah, to forgive the non-believers, Allah will say to the Angel, "Tell the non-believers, I sent Messengers to you on earth. Why didn't you believe in what they said? So now you will remain in Hell forever." Then the non-believers will remain in Hell forever.

          O Allah! Save us from the fire of Hell, and admit us into the gardens of Paradise.

          • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/03/2008 10:20:26 AM

            GOD SAYS HEY ALLAH TWO COFFEES WITH CREAM AND SUGAR AND MAKE IT FAST !!!

        • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 07/02/2008 3:03:27 AM

          Hell is a place that Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) has made for the non-believers. Hell has seven doors and seven levels. The highest one is called Jahannam. The lowest one is called Haawiya. All the levels have different names: Jahunnam, Saqar, Nutaa, Hutamah, Sa'eer, Jaheem and Haawiya. Inside Hell there are 70,000 jungles. In every jungle, there are 70,000 sections. In every section there are 70,000 snakes and scorpions. Those snakes are very poisonous, that if they bite someone this poison will stay in them for forty years. They will always bite the non-believers. The scorpions will be as big as donkeys and the snakes will be as big as camels. The Hell fire will be seventy times hotter than the world's fire. On the order of Allah, when the people of Hell will be thrown into Hell, they will wear clothes. The clothes will be marked with fire. The snakes and the scorpions will bite the people. When they will be punished like this, they will die again and again, and they will become alive again and again. This will happen to them over and over again.

        • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 07/01/2008 2:45:58 AM

          He is his own man jerk

      • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 07/04/2008 12:51:41 AM

        Separation of church and state, I guess that's what Obama is turning on its head now with his support for faith based initiatives, or is that just pandering.

        Obama's "faith" is not real, it is something he ascribes to because it is politically expedient.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 07/02/2008 12:59:28 AM

      10 years of Catholic schooling and I never heard one nun or priest utter such an unjust, unmerciful, unChristian comment. Even in the era when we sent pennies saved during Lent to missions so "little black babies in Africa" could be baptized, no one ever suggested that those babies would go to hell. There is a doctrine called "baptism of desire" which in essence holds that anyone who led a moral life was in a state of grace. The other two forms of baptism, according to the Baltimore Catechism, are baptism of blood, or dying for faith, and baptism of water, which is the usual dunk or sprinkle. Your brand of religion doesn't really seem to differ substantially from radical Islam. Aren't you both tellilng the world to believe what you believe or die? Aren't you a little like those Pharisees? You know, the ones Jesus condemned for straining at gnats and swallowing camels -- they ones that He condemned for closing the gates of heaven: "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in... " Your brand of Christianity is small-minded and contrary to the spirit of Christ -- it certainly is not a universal tenant of the Christian faith.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/03/2008 7:56:41 AM

        During my Catholic school years and continuing into my church going years, as of now, I never heard anything like that either from any nun or priest.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 07/02/2008 10:43:04 PM

        Bravo, Mimi! You are wonderful!

    • Posted By: the-commish @ 07/01/2008 1:25:33 PM


      Hey, have I got news for you!

      ! am a Catholic, and I do of course believe in Jesus Christ as my lord and savior.

      Let me point something out to you:
      Millions of people have lived and died never leaving remote areas of the earth. These people have never even heard of Jesus Christ, have had no opportunity to hear the truth.

      And a just God will condemn them to hell after giving them no opportunity to learn the truth. Get real!@!!!

    • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 07/01/2008 2:45:29 AM

      He isn't one of my brothers so chill your rumor jerk

  • Posted By: Nins @ 07/03/2008 2:16:58 PM

    Did you know McCain has had 4 different campaign managers? McCain just can't get it right. He keeps changing managers, as if it is their fault that he can not succeed. Fact is, McCain is NOT a good candidate.

    After his first run at the Presidency when he got swift boated by Bush, his manager John Weaver got McCain to play "Maverick" and cross party lines to become a NeoLiberal. McCain almost changed parties and became a Democrat and Kerry's running mate, but at the 11th hour he switched horses again and hired Terry Nelson to manage him. Nelson is a strong GOP establishmentarianist, and got McCain to throw himself behind Bush, with promises of the GOP giving him the 2008 nomination. But Nelson didn't last, because the strategy failed. The right wing was suspicious of McCain because McCain voted against abortion, for gay rights and for gun control during his "maverick" phase. They didn't know if they could trust him. Also, Nelson spent money hand over fist, nearly bankrupting McCain's campaign. So he replaced him with Rick Davis, who was at the helm for the past year. Davis is a fiscal conservative, made McCain sell that expensive big bus, and made McCain mind his manners and act polite in public. But now, Davis has been fired too. Why? Because McCain is getting desperate, and the gloves are coming off. His new manager is Steve Schmidt, a Rove disciple and former Rove employee. McCain has also hired Nicole Wallace and Greg Jenkins to head his "Communications Team." Nic and Greg are also former Rove employees, masters of the art of swift boat smear campaigns. McCain going to let the Rove bulldogs off the leash. Look out, America, this is going to get ugly.

    My prediction: the 20% of America that is made up of ignorant jingoists will be cheering to see Rove's bloody tactics. But you know what? They were all going to vote for McCain anyway. The rest of America will be so disgusted by the hatchet work of the NeoCons that they will vote AGAINST McCain.

    The "last resort" tactic of the GOP to win this election will be to bomb Iran, starting another war. Mark my words, if McCain is not doing well in September, Bush will bomb Iran. He is already setting the stage for this, by saying that Iran has nuclear weapons, even thought inspections by the United Nations and the International Atomic Energy Agency have both found NO EVIDENCE of nuclear weapons. REMIND YOU OF ANYTHING? It's the fake "weapons of mass destruction" all over again.

    Did you know that on June 26, Bush, very quietly, declared a state of National Emergency? During a National Emergency the President can DECLARE WAR without waiting for the approval of Congress.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/06/20080626-4.html

    It is going to be a very bumpy ride, America, so hold on, and DON'T LET BUSH AND ROVE STEAL ANOTHER ELECTION. I wouldn't mind so much if they were good for the economy, but let's face it, they are destroying America.

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/03/2008 3:01:38 PM

      Second Request on these two, Nins -
      1. If Bush bombs Iran, how on earth does it make it more likely that McCain will be elected? Huh? I would certainly think that just the opposite is true. Can you explain this logic?
      2. Do you even know what Halliburton does? (a previous target of your left-wing screeds)

      So far the silence is deafening...

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/03/2008 3:09:16 PM

        SHE WON'T ANSWER THAT QESTION BECAUSE YOU GOT HER ON THE ROPES SOME ONE LIKE DRIVER OF WAGONS WILL COME BACK AT THIS ONE THEY ARE ALL PAID HACKS BY THIS LIBERAL NEWSWEAK BUT SHE IS NOT SMART ENOUGH TO HAVE A REBUTTLE ON THIS ONE !!

        • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 07/03/2008 9:24:36 PM

          are u that full of hatred? perhaps join the marines and chill another way...you did not take my advice so see a psychiatrist b4 u get sick from ur anger ur in my prayers take it easy breathe 49 times if 50 is too much....get on your hands and knees and pray to get rid of all your anger, you will be forgiven love to you mister or miss votenoobama

        • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/03/2008 5:03:40 PM

          Perhaps she has to check in with her handlers before answering. I really think she is incapable of thinking independently and responding extemporaneously.

          Question 1 is the most important, because her whole loony premise is based on it....

  • Posted By: The "O" Team @ 06/30/2008 2:39:25 PM

    and as far as all of this "Muslim" garbage, how many Presidents have we elected that were FREEMASONS or SHRINERS??? I can tell you that, there are several occassions, in both groups, to where the members/participants, actively roll-play, the part of MUSLIMS... "from the EAST..." So let me get this straight, it's o.k. to hate Muslims and wage Wars on Terror and to rally the Country behind those notions but, at the same time, IT'S OK TO PLAY "MUSLIM's" & "INFIDEL's" INSIDE OF THE LODGE (we won't even go into the Masonic Membeship Rolls for Elected Officials)???

    A lot of you folks just need to be honest and say, "I AIN'T GON' VOTE FO NO BARE-RACK O'BAMA CUZ HE'S A NICKRA..."

    That, by far, is more respectable than most of you people, putting up these lame, jackazz excuses and broken arguments...

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 06/30/2008 5:10:51 PM

      I've been saying that for months. But none of these racist cowards will admit to the fact that they will not vote for Obama simply because he is a black man--a ni$$er in their minds. I respect (not really) a klan member, a skinhead, a neo-nazi, or a member of the aryan nation because you know where they stand, and what they are about. But the pathetic arguments from the likes of holypants and his klan posting here are nothing but the rantings and ravings of cowardly, racist pigs.

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 06/30/2008 9:08:56 PM

        Yo RAVEN - it's me, Mr, "You People", as you like to call me. Since you like to call everyone a racist, and since you seem to be obsessed with racists, and since noooo one can ever ever ever disagree with Obama without incurring you accusing them of being a racist, I thought I would share the following with you:

        "But THE RAVEN, sitting lonely on the placid bust, spoke only
        That one word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour.
        Nothing further then he uttered- not a feather then he fluttered-
        Till I scarcely more than muttered, "other friends have flown
        before- On the morrow he will leave me, as my hopes have flown before."
        Then the bird said, "RACIST!."


        • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 07/01/2008 3:31:48 PM

          Sorry, dumbo, but somebody already beat you to that one. And they weren't funny, either. Bet you never read anything Poe has written.
          When I say "you people", I mean you racists. Your comments and views brand you a racist, not your disagreements concerning Obama. You people dog out Muslims, Islam, Africans, and anybody else not white. Your sick problem is, you whites justify EVERY dispicable act you commit. And if you're not involved, your silence is a form of approval. "You people" are quick to call out blacks like me who say racist things (see, I'm not afraid to call myself a racist), but if a white person says something racist--you give silent approval. No, not all whites are racist. But not all blacks are criminals, either. I really don't think Obama will win--have said so many times before. White Americans will never vote for a black man. A black woman, yes. But you people--most of you--are taught to hate black men. And you can invent any reason you want as to why. Now watch some idiot try to tell me how awful my people are. Then I'll have to tell him about how awful whites are.

          • Posted By: Smithback @ 07/02/2008 10:44:48 AM

            White Americans will never vote for a black man? So, is Hillary Clinton a black woman, this is why she's lost to Obama?

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 1:38:56 PM

              Smitty and Jim, my comment above was not meant to include either of you. I was generalizing.

              • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/02/2008 10:10:19 PM

                Understood, Pia - and thank you for your comments in my defense to the allegations of racism from THE RAVEN.

                Pia, my dear sweet Pia...sigh

                • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 07/03/2008 11:38:17 AM

                  You're sickening, dumbo. I don't care who defends you. You're a racist--admit it. No, I haven't seen write one of you people's favorite words like Ni&&er, or coon, but that doesn't mean you're not a racist. Black people can smell a racist a million miles away. And you stink.

                  • Posted By: the-commish @ 07/03/2008 8:26:46 PM

                    Hey Raven,

                    I too support Obama. But there are many others who do not support hi,. Granted, for some of those it is racism. But I don't think you can lump all non-supporters of Obama into the "racist" category.

                    I don't think Jimbo or Pearson are racists.

                    Now Unholy Roller...that is a horse of a different color.

                  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/03/2008 7:48:16 PM

                    It must be sad to wake up every day so full of anger towards the white man. I'll bet you are a product of our public schools, which have been hijacked by white liberals, who have told you your whole life how are a victim, etc. You probably went to college and studied "Black Studies", no doubt administered by some leftist white professor or dean for whom the '60's have never ended. Then, much to your dismay, you discovered that there are very limited employment opportunities when you have a degree in Black Studies.

                    You know what? You are right, you have been screwed by the white man. But ironically, it is by the very white man that you embrace, the one that preaches liberalism, secularism, and "diversity". The one that promises you something for nothing. How sad.

                    'Presently my soul grew stronger; hesitating then no longer,
                    "Sir," said I, "or Madam, truly your forgiveness I implore;
                    But the fact is I was napping, and so gently you came rapping,
                    And so faintly you came tapping, tapping at my chamber door,
                    That I scarce was sure I heard you"- here I opened wide the door;-
                    Darkness there, and nothing more.'



          • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/02/2008 10:12:49 PM

            "White America will never vote for a black man?" You are wrong, my brother. If Colin Powell had run in 2000, he would have won big.

            • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 07/03/2008 11:33:28 AM

              Don't call me brother--even when joking, redneck. Let me tell you how wrong YOU are.
              Powell will NEVER, EVER run for President. His wife begged him not to ever run. And she said so in an interview on TV. She knows the mentality of you racists whites in this country. First, she knew how you honkies would treat him; the same way you're treating Obama and his family. And once you traitors found out what she told her husband, and how she felt about you animals, you people would turn on her faster than you can say Benedict Arnold.
              Mrs. Powell feared he would be murdered by one of you maniacs
              So save it, white boy. All you crackers who whine about "if black Powell ran, we'd vote for him", know damn well he will never run. Yeah, maybe a few of you would have voted for him, but too few to make a difference. And those who voted for Obama during these primaries did so because they were tired of the good ol' boy network. But when it comes time to vote for Obama in November, you racists will regroup, and your bigotry will overtake any sense you think you have--my brother.

              • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/03/2008 5:01:02 PM

                And the silken sad uncertain rustling of each purple curtain
                Thrilled me- filled me with fantastic terrors never felt before;
                So that now, to still the beating of my heart, I stood repeating,
                "'Tis some visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door-
                Some late visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door;-
                This it is, and nothing more."

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 1:02:28 PM

            Raven, I won't say I know how you feel, because I am not black and have never experienced what you have, but what I will say is, I do 'understand' why you feel that white people will not vote for a black man. Part of the reason you feel this way may be from the comments of some bloggers here. Ignore these people, they are ignorant and I myself don't place any value on their opinions. White people voted for Obama overwhelmingly during the primaries and they will do it again in Nov. and Obama will take the presidency.

          • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/01/2008 5:06:55 PM

            I have previously challenged you to cite one single post where I made a racist statement. I'm still waiting...

            You want to hear the great irony of all of this? I believe Obama will win in November. I'll be voting for McCain, because I have substantial issues with many of Obama's positions, but I think Obama will likely win.

            Quothe THE RAVEN - "Racist!"

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 1:41:37 PM

        The Raven, I am going to defend Jim because I have been posting along with him for about four months now and I have never read one single racist comment in his posts.

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 06/30/2008 9:10:07 PM

      How many Freemason and Shriners have flown hijacked airplanes into buildings? Just curious...

      • Posted By: Italian Revolutionary @ 07/01/2008 7:23:42 AM

        There are many inexpensive community college logic courses which may disabuse you of this adolescent use of fallacious reasoning to make your point. To wit: How man Muslims skilled 9,000,000 native americans? How many times times have the twin towers been run into by jet planes and incinerated? What is the percentage of Italians who own pizza parlors? Are Philidelphians unAmerican because they call subs hoagies? How many Baptists drive around in tiny red, yellow, green, and what? white cars? Does this make Shriners 75% Rastafarian? Since 99% of the Shriners don't have dreads, does that mean that they are a secret Rastafarian organization? The Shriners give away health care. Are they Communists? Why does this idiocy matter to you? Does this statement apply to you:"An enlightened citizenry is indispensable for the proper functioning of a republic. Self-government is not possible unless the citizens are educated sufficiently to enable them to exercise oversight."

        Italian Revolutionary

        • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/01/2008 5:20:58 PM

          Your logic is illogical. I simply asked a very basic question. I guess that you are not happy that the answer to it is zero.

          Using my all powerful Jimbo-logic, since Freemasons and Shriners have no history of flying aircraft into buildings, then they do not constitute a terrorist threat. The only time I ever see Shriners is in my local town's annual parade, and they are riding around on relatively harmless little scooters wearing funny hats. Which confirms to us logical people that they are not much of a threat.

          Conversely, 19 of 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Muslim, therefore logic dictates (to anyone not infected with modern day political correctness) that some Muslims just might be a terrorist threat in the future.

          Maybe this statement is one you should study; "those who ignore history are forever doomed to repeat its mistakes". See, I can quote stuff, too.

          And note that I said all of this without ever using those big words you like to throw around, like "disabuse your adoescent fallacious reasoning".

          LOL, you are a joke.

  • Posted By: Wired @ 07/03/2008 12:17:35 AM

    Tisk tisk.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/03/2008 7:34:38 AM

      GM Wired. What are you 'tisking' about?

      • Posted By: Wired @ 07/03/2008 4:04:10 PM

        Oh Im just nodding my head in amusement because of the hypocrisy. Someone tried to accuse me of name calling (which I did) and then they turn around in the same breath and do the same.

        Its just funny.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 07/02/2008 10:45:51 PM

    Why did the US military cancel a news conference where they were going to display the "Iranian" weapons they found in Iraq? Because there WERE NO IRANIAN WEAPONS to display. Here are links supporting the fact that the weapons found in Iraq did not come from Iran:

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_05/013695.php
    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/05/fire_next_time.html
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/05/iraq-the-elusiv.html

    NOT TO MENTION that the Untied States itself has had a notable role in arming the insurgency. When the US dissolved the Iraqi Army, that flooded Iraq with weapons. More recently the Pentagon admitted that it had lost track of a third of the weapons distributed to Iraqi security forces in 2004-05, totaling 190,000 assault rifles and pistols that are currently on the streets of Iraq. The British paper that published this article got it's information straight from the US Government Accounting Office's public website:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-admits-190000-weapons-missing-in-iraq-460551.html

    Ask yourself, why would America want to pretend that Iran is pushing weapons in Iraq, when actually WE (the USA) has flooded Iraq's streets with weapons? Because Bush wants to declare war on Iran, and just like the fake "WMDs" in Iraq, he needs something to frighten Americans, so he comes out with this BS about Iran killing US soldiers in Iraq. He has also said that Iran is making nuclear weapons, but recent inspections have found NO EVIDENCE of nuclear weapons in Iran. JUST LIKE how repeated inspections found NO EVIDENCE of WMDs in Iraq. The reports of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the UN inspectors and nuclear experts at the Institute for Strategic and International Studies (ISIS) all agree that Iran DOES NOT have nuclear weapons. The IAEA report states that Iran only has "low enriched uranium, not the highly-enriched uranium necessary to produce a bomb." The ISIS reports states "It is important to note that they do not encompass the full scope of work required for a comprehensive nuclear weapons program. Missing is theoretical work on nuclear weapons, uranium metallurgy, and the development of a neutron initiator." http://www.yirmeyahureview.com/articles/2008/iaea_report_on_iran.htm#_ftn9

    In case you think the idea that Bush wants to bomb Iran is reactionary, you should know that John Bolton, former US Ambassador to the UN, recently told FoxNews that he can "definitely envision Bush bombing Iran before he leaves office." By bombing Iran, Bush makes it more likely McCain will be elected. But can the US Treasury, can the US economy stand more war? Even if we could afford it, we don't have the manpower in uniform. You know what that means: draft and conscription. Vote for McCain. Watch your children come home in body bags. Watch America go into a Great Depression.

    • Posted By: tippology1 @ 07/03/2008 9:23:29 AM

      I was wondering if you can tell me why the coverage on the progress in Iraq has been greatly diminished over the last several months. I was wondering if you can tell me how the additional coverage of one candidate soars while the other is not even a footnote. This year???s election is a total sham because the media has a personal liking for Obama and a disliking for anything that is GOP and what is more interesting is how you and others are buying what Obama is selling. Obama has carefully studied the election of Bill Clinton who won both elections and George Bush who won both and he is using what work for them in his campaign. So I will ask you what change have Obama delivered? What great change in his campaign will reverse the economy, and ease gas prices and lower taxes that Obama says he will raise? I think with all of your intelligence you and a lot of Americans are the greatest fools for putting your trust in such a fraud and a shallow of a person. This guy will do anything to win, even pull the rug over the eyes of Americans who need a person in office that willing to take our country to the next step in globalization. I wish you, the media and everyone that is dumb enough to be fooled luck in the fall........and I hope you and others get what you deserve in a lame of a president with no character.

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/03/2008 4:57:13 PM

        ITS THE KOOL AIDE THEY BEEN DRINKING THE WILL SOBER UP AFTER THE ELECTION AND SAY W.T.F. DID I DO !!!!!

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/03/2008 4:32:14 PM

      HERE ARE SOME LINKS WITH PICTURES OF THE IRANIAN WEAPONS THAT ARE BEING USED TO KILL OUR BELOVED TROOPS THIS SHOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR YA UNLESS YOU NEED TO SEE THAT IRANIAN PRESIDENT HANDING THEM OUT !!!!www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17097658
      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/11/iraq/main2458318.shtml http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2007/02/12/iran-weapon-cp-163504.jpg http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/02/12/iran-us.html

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/02/2008 11:13:33 PM

      Wow, Nins-com-poop must have just got back from the re-education camp at moveon.org HQ! She is really shot out of a cannon tonight!

      If Bush bombs Iran, how on earth does it make it more likely that McCain will be elected? Huh? I would certainly think that just the opposite is true. Can you explain this logic?

      And in your last couple of sentances you are simply spreading unsupported hysteria.

      Really, Nins-com-poop, can't you do better than this?

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/03/2008 7:35:28 AM

        Jim, be nice. Nins is a good person . Please give her a break.

      • Posted By: Wired @ 07/03/2008 12:21:14 AM

        Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/02/2008 11:17:47 PM
        "Comment: You display 2 classic signs of left-wing zealotry; a.) anyone who disagrees with you is a racist, no matter what, and b.) when you get frustrated, YOU BEGIN CALLING YOUR OPPONENTS NAMES. And really Nins, what in the heck is a Grand Vizer of the KKK, anyway?" Tell me if I spelled the word "hypocrite" correctly . Because you sure are the poster child for one.


        Your intellectual vacancy is catching up with you, dear.

        • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/03/2008 7:28:01 AM

          So you have learned how to cut and paste? You must be very proud of yourself.

          Interesing that you feel the need to defend Nins-com-poop. I often challenge her to defend her postions or to provide an example of something...and the silence is deafening. I can only assume that if she isn't being given specific instructions by her handlers at moveon.org, then she is basically incapable of thinking for herself.

          And no, sending out links to left-wing media sites hardly qualifies as anything, it is just one brainwashed sheep leading another brainwashed sheep.

  • Posted By: stematwork @ 06/30/2008 1:21:09 PM

    why can't i just not like Obama due to his terrifying policies?
    why do we have to make up goofy stuff? the guy's health care plan will destroy jobs in the insurance industry and create the biggest red-tape nightmare in government history.
    his foreign policy, from what i can tell, has leaders from other countries licking their lips in anticipation of taming an inexperienced young idealist at the helm of the most powerful country in the world.
    who cares what he believes in...his policies are scary enough.

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 06/30/2008 5:19:17 PM

      Your arguments are idiotic because no one man runs the country. You must be afraid that he'll surround himself with morons and yes-men like that idiot bush did. bush was a well-known moron, and you people elected him twice. He chased away his briliant members, and look at where we are now. Hated, fighting for oil, fu*ked up economy, high gas prices, can't put people in positions who know what the hell they are doing (see Katrina), companies and jobs going overseas....stop me if you can. Admit it--you can't see pass his skin color.

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 06/30/2008 9:16:43 PM

        Aha - "you people elected him twice" Mr. obsessed with racism is referring to those of us who might look different than him as "you people". This seems to be a common thread in your posts, no?

        • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 07/01/2008 3:32:40 PM

          No.

          • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/01/2008 7:47:31 PM

            Yes

            • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 07/02/2008 6:21:21 PM

              Not obsessed with it, dumbo, but I won't ignore it or keep quiet about it because you whites don't like to hear it. Too bad. You can't silence me. The days when you people had that kind of power is long gone, white man.
              Racism is a constant thing with you people. When blacks and whites get together and mix, you people can't help but show your true colors (or lack there of--HA). And the bigots who are not afraid to admit they are racists, and then show it, get silent approval from people like you. You know, the ones who swear they are not racist.
              You say prove it where you made a racist comment. Dumbo, you don't have to call me a ni&&er (or any other racist name you people call us) to be a racist. And I don't have to prove anything. Sounds like you're trying to exert your imaginary white superiority on me. I believe it, and that's all that matters TO ME!
              Pia says ignore the white racists. But that's what all you white people who claim you are not racists do. And if one does speak out, you people jump all over him/her for being a NI&&ER-LOVER. I know, I know--you won't say the word ni&&er, but we know you're thinking it.
              And what do you expect to get from calling me a racist? Me--a racist? Well, duh! That means nothing to me whitey, just like me calling you one means nothing to you
              And you can stop with THE RAVEN references. I told you it's already been done to death. Reusing them doesn't make you clever, just redundant

              • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/02/2008 10:05:44 PM

                RAVEN - first it was "you people", now it is "whitey"? What's next, "honky" and "cracker"?

                This is for you, my brother:
                "Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary,
                Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore,
                While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
                As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
                "'Tis some visitor," I muttered, "tapping at my chamber door-
                Only this, and nothing more."

                • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 07/03/2008 12:10:55 PM

                  How stupid are you? Read slower. I've already called you a cracker, honky, redneck, pedophile, pale face...I could continue.
                  And I can recite the entire poem THE RAVEN from memory. So you can put your only book away, now.
                  You won't vote for Obama because he's a black man, and you people are spoon-fed hatred for blacks.

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/03/2008 12:29:37 PM

                    The Raven, do you believe I too have been spoon-fed? Not that it should matter to you. I'm curious to know. You know, you remind me of someone I knew who I care about. He's gone.

                    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/03/2008 2:57:23 PM

                      Pia - I think THE RAVEN hates all white people...it's because we are 'different' than him.

                  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/03/2008 2:56:33 PM

                    So you admit to spewing racist comments here on the Newsweak posting board? Aha, a true racist in our midst, all you so-called 'tolerant' hand-wringing liberals who hang out here.
                    Here is more, my brother from a different mother:

                    Ah, distinctly I remember it was in the bleak December,
                    And each separate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor.
                    Eagerly I wished the morrow;- vainly I had sought to borrow
                    From my books surcease of sorrow- sorrow for the lost Lenore-
                    For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore-
                    Nameless here for evermore.

                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/03/2008 3:41:10 PM

                      Beautiful, and very sad because Lenore is dead. What is even more sad and depressing, is this duel between you and The Raven. Disheartening. And tomorrow is Independence Day. We need to stand together.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/03/2008 7:45:03 AM

                The Raven, I don't 'claim' I'm not racist, I know I am not. I have spoken out against racist comments many times here on these blogs. That's all I can do for now.

    • Posted By: The "O" Team @ 06/30/2008 2:28:44 PM

      Of course OBAMA's policies sound crazy... He is actually trying to get us out of the mess that we're in... I can tell you now, I ain't going to come free... So let me get this straight, you would rather pay, by some jerk stealing your money and not giving just cause for said expenditure, as apposed to being told, up front that, there would be a new charge or tax and a subsequent reduction in other taxes???

      NOW I SEE WHY SO MANY AMERICANS ARE DISTRUSTFUL OF THE BIG "O"... WE, AS A COUNTRY, ARE SO USE TO DEALING WITH THE CON-MEN OF THE PAST THAT, WE BECOME OVERLY SKEPTICAL WHEN, BONIFIDE CHANGE COMES AROUND... THIS COULD BE LIKENED TO SOMEONE WHO, GETS USE TO AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP, EVEN AT THEIR OWN PARIL...

      OBAMA '08

      • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 06/30/2008 6:19:47 PM

        And some of us have seen idealism used to con idealists. Obama is not an idealist and he isn't anything new. He is a Chicago politics trained pay to play politician who will say and do whatever he thinks he needs to say and do to get elected and stay in power. Rev. Wright had it right.

  • Posted By: joecommon@mailinator.com @ 07/02/2008 5:26:18 AM

    In islam, if your dad is mulim, then you are too. He may have 'changed' to christian later on, but the fact is, he was a muslim.

    • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 07/03/2008 2:33:43 AM

      not true my friend, it is up to the child if he or she wants to be a practicing Muslim. Since Barak is practicing Christian, he is not practicing Muslim. He is not so my advice to you is take it easy, take chill pills, practice yoga, repeat 50 times Obama is not Muslim, if you don't feel better, call your psychologist, see three times a week and release frustrations with him or her, see a psychiatrist if you are in pain about what Obama practices, call your doctor in the morning. see that was not too hard to do

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/03/2008 7:52:54 AM

        Take chill pills, repeat 50 times and call your psychologist? Lol! Too funny.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 07/02/2008 10:40:36 PM

      Joe, you are wrong about Obama's father. Obama's father was NOT a Muslim. Obama's father was an agnostic, and a Harvard-educated economist who was a high ranking official in the Kenyan government. Obama's African grandfather was a Muslim, but a converted one. HIs wife, Obama's grandmother, did not convert, nor did she raise her children as Muslims. In fact, Obama's African grandfather converted to the Muslim religion AFTER Obama's father was born, so Obama's father is not even a Muslim by default. Obama never met his African grandfather, and Obama only saw his African father once after he left when Obama was 2 years old. Obama had minimal contact with his father, and no contact at all with his father's family growing up.

      Obama was raised as a Christian by his Christian grandparents, with whom he spent all but three years of his childhood. Obama's mother was raised as a Christian and she called herself an atheist, but never the less, she took her children to all kinds of services: Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish and Hindu and told them that they should benefit from all types of contact with God. Obama lived with his non-religious but Muslim born stepfather for about three years, and they didn't get along very well. His stepfather was very Westernized, attended a US university and worked for an American oil company in Indonesia. His wedding ceremony to Obama's mother was NOT a Muslim ceremony, he was not a practicing Muslim and if he was he never would have married a non-Muslim woman. Obama himself was never a Muslim, his Mom and Dad were not Muslims, even Obama's stepfather, although born a Muslim, did not practice the Muslim faith. You really need to get your facts straight.

    • Posted By: Wired @ 07/02/2008 10:15:26 PM

      His father was black as well,did he change that also ? It doesn't matter what his deadbeat father "was". Obama made a personal choice to pursue his own spiritual path. Quit stirring the pot.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/30/2008 12:16:11 PM

    Dear KatJones, you are so right. Of the many millions of Muslims in the world, only an infitesmally small percent are terrorists. Most Muslims are peaceful God-fearing people who want to live moral lives.

    I personally think it would not matter if Obama was a Muslim, I would vote for him anyway because he is the best candidate, and being Black or being Muslim or having big ears could never alter the fact that he is the best candidate.

    However, given the fear mongering against Muslims that Bush has indulged in ever since 9/11, it would be unlikely that the USA would elect a Muslim President. This rumor about Obama being a Muslim is just more BS brought to you by Bush, Rove & Company. You should be afraid, very afraid of Muslims. You should be so afraid of Muslims that you will not speak out when they take away your civil rights, read your mail, wiretap your phones and imprison you for years without being charged or tried. You should be so afraid of Muslims that you will pay $10 for a gallon of gasoline, and you will look the other way when it is proven that Bush's economic policies (NOT the OPEC nations) caused the price increase. You should be so afraid of Muslims that when the National Debt skyrockets so high that even our great grandchildren will still be paying it, that you will not only say nothing, but vote for McCain, who will make the economy even worse. You should be so afraid of Muslims that when Bush borrows $5 trillion from COMMUNIST China, and increases our trade deficits and defaltes our dollar, you should say "Oh, even though Bush has done this, he had to do it, because of the Muslims." You should be so afraid of Muslims that when your mortgage is foreclosed and your bank fails, you blame it on the Muslims, rather than on the slick investment bankers who got rich off of Bush's corporate deregulation. You should be so afraid of the Muslims that you will ignore the fact that the Halliburton corporation is controlled and owned by Bush's VP Cheney, and that all of the Iraq contracts have gone to Halliburton subsidiaries, enriching Cheney and his friends. You should be so afraid of Muslims that you can not even see when you are being cheated by high level crooks.

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 06/30/2008 9:21:03 PM

      Nins - "Halliburton is controlled and owned by Dick Cheney?" Wow, I bet that's a surprise to their CEO and their shareholders! "All of the Iraq contracts have gone to Halliburton subsidiaries"? I'll be that's a big surprise to the thousands of contractors in Iraq that have nothing whatsoever to do with Halliburton.

      Do you even know what Halliburton does?

      Or are these just this week's talking points given to you by moveon.org?

      • Posted By: Evax @ 07/01/2008 5:22:38 PM

        American hands are bathed in Muslim blood. The only salvation would be to elect a quasi-Muslim President who can lead US to Mecca. Vote for Barack Hussein Obama, or else.

        • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/02/2008 10:11:17 PM

          It's the "or else" part that worries me.

  • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 07/01/2008 2:52:16 AM

    I like Nins, and Pia, they are honest people, and respecting, the O team is cool, Raven tells it like it is...go Obama, he ain't Muslim, but he will win with his Christian faith.... Obama08/12

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 07/01/2008 11:40:49 AM

      I'm not sure that someone who is paid to work and instead spends a substantial portion of their working hours posting here is exactly honest. It's not what they are being paid to do, so they are cheating their employer of the wages they are being paid to do whatever they were hired to do.

      Unless, of course, they were hired to post editorial comments on the web.

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/01/2008 7:45:38 PM

        I believe you just described Nins

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/01/2008 8:48:43 PM

          Jim, she meant me. Pearson has been after me many a time over my blogging while at work .

          • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/01/2008 9:15:19 PM

            Understood. I was referring to his very last sentance.

            Pia, my dear sweet Pia...sigh...

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/01/2008 9:54:56 PM

              Jim, still sighing are you? You better see a doctor for that, it may be a symptom.

              • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 07/02/2008 9:58:33 PM

                Oh, it's a symptom alright...it's a symptom of my having the hots for you LOL

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/01/2008 8:49:42 PM

        Pearson, I do love you, no matter what you post about me. Here's a big kiss coming your way.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/01/2008 9:52:50 PM

          Oh, and pearson, leave Nins alone!

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/01/2008 8:50:37 PM

      Thank you, that's very nice of you to say. You seem familiar to me.. Have we met before?

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/30/2008 9:46:59 PM

    KOOL-AID??????..From the kitchen of the obama sheeple!! take one heaping spoonful of an inexperienced elitist white male seeking self validation through exploitation of his african-american genetics. Combine two parts black liberation theology clerics spewing intolerance! With two parts of unrepentant intellectuals committed to the destruction of America. Stir in one cup of militant black wife harboring the overwhelming desire to stick it to whitey and one spoonful of typical white person grandmother mix well. Pour a gallon of anti-patriotism into tall glasses and sprinkle with naïve foreign policy ideations. Serve on a platter of meaningless oratorical hyperbole with a generous dollop of wealth re-distribution. Sprinkle liberally with zest of white guilt flip it and flop it till it tastes right. Serve large portions to the undiscerning and spellbound masses convinced that the Second Coming is upon America and now you have a complete recipe for disaster!

    • Posted By: The "O" Team @ 07/02/2008 5:47:20 PM

      Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!

      AND TASTY TOO...

      :)

      OBAMA IN '08, MY CULINARY BEAUTIES...

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/02/2008 7:55:55 PM

        Enter Your Commentthe kool-aid recipe is the reason you should not vote for him it sums up his reasons for running and if you think he's qualified to be president then you have been slipped a micky so to speak someone slipped you some obama kool-aid check his record his votes but most important check his agenda and ask your self is this who i want to run the country ! think about his tax plan think about his willing to give free health care to 15 million illeagles think about his forgien policy or lack there of think about all his plans and if you feel like he's the one take some ipecac syrup because you've ingested his kool-aid then go vote for someone who will get this country back on track i prefer the John McCain/ Mitt Romney ticket hopfully thats who will win the election in november if Obama gets it we are gonna have a hard row to hoe !!

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 5:59:20 PM

        Lol! Very cute.

    • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 07/01/2008 2:36:06 AM

      idiot

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/30/2008 10:12:07 PM

      Now that you've mixed and stirred your bitter and vile tasting punch recipe of lies, you go right ahead and drink it.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/02/2008 3:50:29 PM

    Maybe it would have been a better move for his parents to name him Johnson after his grandfather's 'Christian' name.instead? Then he could have been proud to use his grandfathers name as part of his full name:: Barry Johnson Obama or Barack Johnson Obama. .

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 3:58:41 PM

      The fact is, his parents named him Barack Hussein. Nice name. Hussein means handsome. I'm sure Obama is proud of it. And everyone here smearing O's middle name will not change the fact that he takes the presidency in Nov. and then his new name will be, President Barack Hussein Obama. Impressive sounding name!

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 07/02/2008 4:06:55 PM

        Do you really think he would take on his middle name if he becomes President? What a mouthful, if so. He is a change agent so yeah, could happen. I would have been easier if they just named him Johnson cuz he could be proud of using his Christian name now. :

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 6:03:22 PM

          Sharenews, in both your posts right here you mention about Obama being proud if his middle name had been Johnson. I assume you are implying at something, so, I'll bite. Has Obama ever stated in writing or vocally that he wasn't proud of his given name of Hussein?

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 5:55:49 PM

          Then it would have to be Barack H. Obama or BH Obama.

  • Posted By: Wired @ 07/02/2008 3:18:22 PM

    This argument over Obamas religion is just silly. And people who still believe he is Muslim should stay away from the voting booths because they have no concept of reality.........The media has an obligation to dispel this myth just as they do not hesitate to pour fuel on the fire.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 3:53:08 PM

      Best comment I've heard all week. Thanks.

      • Posted By: Wired @ 07/02/2008 4:07:32 PM

        Glad I could be of service to you lol. We are on the same page.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 5:56:30 PM

          We are and thank god there are some us who get it.

  • Posted By: Wired @ 07/02/2008 4:10:55 PM

    And by the way : Last time I checked it was legal to be Muslim in America. This is the "land of the free". So why do people refer his "possibility" of being Muslim as if its some type of plague ? Religious folks just need to retreat to their respective corners and just pray the way they want and keep religion out of politics.

  • Posted By: Alamerica @ 06/29/2008 4:26:45 PM

    As described in this article, there is a Muslim tradition in Obama's family history. It is fair to predict that he will be more friendly to Muslims than McCain. It may be a salvation for Americans to elect a quasi-Muslim President who can lead US to Mecca. Voters have to make a decision on whether we should keep fighting Muslims or living in harmony with them, on the expense of Israel.

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 06/29/2008 9:04:14 PM

      Keep fighting, because one cannot negotiate with terrorists. It has never worked in history.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/29/2008 9:34:59 PM

        Ditto.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 3:46:00 PM

          My ditto was meant for Jimbo3800's comment about not negotiating with terrorists but I disagree on fighting. I'm against the Iraq War. I believe in diplomacy.

      • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 06/30/2008 5:23:54 PM

        Oh, yeah? Why don't you ask the English about that stupid comment, dumbo. If you know what I mean.

      • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 06/29/2008 11:06:18 PM

        your comment assumes that all Muslims are terrorists. Is that what you really believe?

  • Posted By: Ganpat @ 06/30/2008 8:28:17 AM

    The Trinity Church is very close to Islamist radicalism, though: It lauds Louis Farrakhan, to whom it gave an award. Obama lionised Farrakhan too until it became politically dangerous to do so.

    He is utterly crooke, this Obama.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/30/2008 12:18:01 PM

      Ganpat wrote: Obama lionised Farrakhan too until it became politically dangerous to do so.


      Please site your source for this information. Thanks

      • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 06/30/2008 6:22:38 PM

        When confronted by Hillary Clinton (not the debate questioners), Obama failed to reject Farrakhan's endorsement and support. He only rejected what Farrakhan had said in the past.

        Who's parsing here???

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/02/2008 2:35:41 PM

          Were you and I watching the same debate because I watched and heard Obama denounce his (Farrakhan's) support and his views.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 3:40:44 PM

            SJ, pearson was not watching the same debate. Again, she's making things up.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 06/30/2008 4:48:27 PM

      Trinity United Church of Christ is a member in good standing with the United Church of Christ, a merger of the Anglo Congregationalist churches so prevalent in New England and the German-based Reformed Church, popular in the Midwest states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois and Indiana. Most of its members are white and of northern European ancestory. The denominate has wonderful things to say about Trinity United, which it considers to be one of its more successful congregations. It is distressed over the way it has been caricaturized. If you really want to know what Trininty United Church of Christ is about (as opposed to just spewing hate-filled rhetoric) please check this link: http://www.ucc.org/news/chicagos-trinity-ucc-is.html

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/30/2008 11:59:09 AM

      Ganpat, Obama never lionized Farrakhan. That is an outright lie. And Trinity Church is national Christian organization, with churches all across America, and it's membership is OVERWHELMINGLY WHITE.

      You need to do some reading and some research before you post your statements.

  • Posted By: dgs392003@yahoo.com @ 06/29/2008 12:46:49 AM

    He may not be a Muslim but Obama sure studyed the religion. Both with his father and in Indonesia. But as always he acts like a "Post Tutle".'When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle'.
    'You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there in the first place.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 06/29/2008 11:15:38 PM

      Studied the religion? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? First of all, Obama's father left him for Harvard before the boy passed his first birthday. Just how much "study" can a babbling baby do? Just how much "study" can a 9-year-old boy taking one class in a secular elementary school accomplish, especially when he was not fluent in the Indonesian language? He was probably thinking about shooting hoops the whole time. There are a lot of kids who sat through daily religion classes in my Catholic parochial school who couldn't repeat back a single word of catechism today -- and they had the reinforcement of parents who took them to church and saw that they went through all the rituals. Obama's mother was pretty much non-religious, which means no reenforcement at home. And by the time he was 10, he was back in the USA in the loving arms of his White Protestant Anglo-Saxon grandparents.

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/30/2008 12:22:16 PM

        Thanks Mimi for trying, but you have to know that logic is lost on these type of people, their hate of anyone who does not look like them is what keeps them alive. They know nothing else, The sad part is that there are a lot of people who, and God knows I do not understnad this, still choose to believe that this man is a Radical Gay Muslim Terrorist plant.

        They are beyond ignorant and beyond help.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/30/2008 10:05:21 PM

          I agree, sj. Hello my dear.

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 07/02/2008 2:37:57 PM

            Hi P, different day same BS on the blogs I see LOL!. Hope your day is going well.

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 3:36:06 PM

              Hi SJ, yes, same BS day in day out but it doesnt really matter to us much anymore because Obama wins the presidency.

              SJ, my day is okay, a bit bored and lonely. I miss Alvy. I hope your day is going great. Thanks for responding to my post, I'm glad to know I have nice friends like you here.

      • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 06/30/2008 7:07:27 PM

        Obama never knew his father, the reference was to his step-father in Indonesia. It wasn't just when he was nine, he studied the Koran in the public school for several years -- it wasn't a secular elementary school like schools are here, he was listed as a Muslim and got Muslim training, and he got reinforcement from his step-father who attended prayers and services. Obama was also fluent in the language since it was the language he had been exposed to since early childhood and the language his step-father and sister and classmates all spoke. His mother gave him English lessons in the morning before school so he would be fluent with both.

        Why not state facts instead of parsing to focus on only those details you want people to know about and trying to make it look like Obama is a nice Christian boy raised in Kansas.

  • Posted By: The "O" Team @ 07/02/2008 12:59:23 PM

    Hmmmmmmmm... Let's see...

    1. OBAMA has the least bagage of any Presidential Candidate in recent history (if not, all time)...

    2. OBAMA has grassroots participation in Chicago that actually demonstrates an Official, who knows how to "role his sleeves up"... NOT SOME JERK WHO, WOULD ROLL HIS SLEEVES UP... AT A DISASTER SITE... FOR A PHOTO OP???

    3. OBAMA has served as an "ACADEMIC INSTRUCTOR"... and a dang good one from what a former student told me ("the smartest instructor that I've met who wasn't pretensious")...

    4. OBAMA is the Faithful Husband with ONE WIFE... (NO WHOREMONGERING BY THIS SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN... un like Mc'cAIN't)

    5. OBAMA has the best ACADEMIC CREDENTIALS..................................... BAR NONE (I wish that I could change the "none" FONT to 38 pt.)... So is that because of "Affirmative Action"... Please don't even attempt to fold your lips and answer yes... OBAMA is probably a certified GENIUS... (and Mc'cAIN'T GPA was WHAT...)

    6. OBAMA IS THE MOST GENUINE, LEAST AGGRIVATING AND MOST SINCERE CANDIDATE SINCE CARTER (say what you will about Carter but realize that he was a Political Patsy who took his marching order from the CFR and the White House Skull-n-Bones Contingency) OR KENNEDY...

  • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 06/30/2008 2:08:28 PM

    I may not be a Muslim....but he is defintely not a christian.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/30/2008 4:20:00 PM

      It should matter not even if he was Muslim.

      Hello Rocky. How goes it?

      • Posted By: Smithback @ 07/02/2008 10:39:46 AM

        Hello Pia, you are right. Muslim or not, it's not important. Not all muslims have the same beliefs. It's not right to categorize all muslims as bad people.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2008 12:50:41 PM

          Hi Smithback! How are you? Nice to 'see' you. Thanks for replying to my post and (I just have too, lol!) Ditto on your comment about Muslims!

    • Posted By: the-commish @ 07/01/2008 9:29:31 PM

      Thanks for saying that!

      Of course, since you do not know Obama personally, the statement of what he is or is not religion-wise is utterly without any foundation! That is a FACT!

    • Posted By: katjones37 @ 06/30/2008 3:41:30 PM

      And you know that how? And who gave you the right to judge?

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/30/2008 2:29:27 PM

      And you base this assumption on what?

      • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 06/30/2008 2:45:08 PM

        It's not an assumption.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 07/02/2008 10:50:56 AM

    the kool-aid recipe is the reason you should not vote for him it sums up his reasons for running and if you think he's qualified to be president then you have been slipped a micky so to speak someone slipped you some obama kool-aid check his record his votes but most important check his agenda and ask your self is this who i want to run the country ! think about his tax plan think about his willing to give free health care to 15 million illeagles think about his forgien policy or lack there of think about all his plans and if you feel like he's the one take some ipecac syrup because you've ingested his kool-aid then go vote for someone who will get this country back on track i prefer the John McCain/ Mitt Romney ticket hopfully thats who will win the election in november if Obama gets it we are gonna have a hard row to hoe !!

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