The Obese Should Have to Pay More For Airline Tickets

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  • Posted By: KEEKA237 @ 07/31/2008 3:08:40 AM

    This is absolutely ridiculous. Why not charge people more for having a defenseless infant on a plane who has colic and won't stop crying!!! Or how about a pregnant woman who's gained a few pounds due to repopulating the planet!!! i think Americans are greedy and try to express control in any way possible, and this is another power trip to try and opress others. This country is already a wreck and this is just another way to make life even more stressful. Don't you think life is already hard enough for these people being stared at and laughed at!?!?!? Then to discriminated against for something some people can't control. it's apalling as well as disgusting. I mean I understand health insurance being high just as it is for smokers. But come on a ticket. Geez!!!

  • Posted By: burbank @ 06/29/2008 12:24:15 AM

    I'm just wondering...should we make all the obese sit in the back of the bus? Will it stop with obesity? Why not the Aged? Or those with red hair. This sounds like an Orwellian cure-all for those we deem to be less than ourselves. All animals are created equal...but some animals are more equal than others. Four legs good-two legs bad. We should be very careful about the socialistic Pandora's box we open when trying to modify human behavior to suit our own idea of what is perfect in an imperfect world.

    • Posted By: justthefactsma'am @ 07/31/2008 1:40:35 AM

      I believe you totally miss the point. Say I run an airline. Heaver people cost me more gas to fly my airplanes. I wish to charge them more to cover my higher marginal cost. Such differential pricing is in no way "socialist", any more than is charging cellphone users more for more talk time.

    • Posted By: JustJim @ 06/29/2008 1:48:49 AM

      Because neither the aged nor the red-haired choose their condition, and their "conditions" do not negatively affect others. Besides, putting all the obese in the rear of the bus would negatively affect both the steering of the bus and the springs on the rear...

  • Posted By: zaney8 @ 06/30/2008 12:22:30 PM

    There is a l0X10 room filled with research documents proving that obesity if genetic. Those who continue to describe it as a moral weakness demonstrate ignorance and bigotry. Some people need something to hate and most past hate objects are now off limits, so they zoom in on obese kids and adults. One year ago a woman in Spain collapsed and died because she starved herself to work as a clothes model. /This is the kind of reaction anticipated by a societal model that malnutrition and boniness equals beauty. As to airlines, they are now charging extra for baggage, food, and have decreased the size of seats ---all to make an extra buck or two, so that the airline CEO can take home billions of dollars. Service to passengers is a joke. Of course they want to punish the obese customer. They punish customers of any weight. Consider yourself lucky to arrive anywhere with decent service. There oughta be a law.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 06/30/2008 2:16:21 PM

      Ok, if there's a 10 x 10 room proving obesity is genetic then there's a 1million x 1million room proving that behavior and environment contribute to obesity vastly more then genetics. If it is genetic, then why has the incidence of obesity quadrupled over the past 40 years? At the same time, fast food, soda, sugary snacks, larger portions, and a more sendentary lifestyle have also increased. Coincidence? Definitely not.
      I've researched obesity extensively, and it is not about genetics. In a very slim margin, perhaps 3% or less, genetics or physical abnormalities like a slow thyroid can contribute. But the vast majority of cases are due to overeating and lack of exercise. Check out the CDC's website, the National Institute of Health, or the Mayo Clinic for more info.

      • Posted By: Kallie @ 07/09/2008 7:40:04 PM

        Ummm, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but obesity is not the only disease that has risen drastically over those same 40 years. ADHD, Alzheimer's, Asthma, Autism... and the list goes on and on. Could it be there is something in the environment that is causing all of these problems, including obesity? I find it amazing that obesity researchers with multiple PHDs can't even pinpoint what causes the disease, yet many ignorant people still believe it is ALL about diet and exercise. A few months back, they even discovered a VIRUS that causes some obesity.

        • Posted By: justthefactsma'am @ 07/31/2008 1:29:56 AM

          Consumer debt has also risen alarmingly in the past 40 years, perhaps this could be caused by a virus as well.

        • Posted By: kittymalicious @ 07/30/2008 4:22:37 AM

          Does it surprise you that the horrible lifestyle Americans lead now could be the cause of an icnrease in disease in general? Obesity is a disease exacerbated by lifestyle--down try and pawn it off on genetics or a virus only. You realize, even if that's the initial cause, the lifestyle many obese (and autistic, ADHD, etc.) people live are only making it worse? Now tell me that lifestyle is something that a person can't change for themselves.

      • Posted By: kshortSD @ 07/02/2008 4:20:24 PM

        I agree. I hear all sorts of excuses from people (It's genetics, it's my thyroid, I'm on insulin which makes me gain weight). You make a great point in articulating the rate in which obesity has increased. It cannot be a coincidence that obesity is on the rise as portion sizes have increased and we rely more on restaurant meals. People seem to want WHAT they want WHEN they want it, and do not want to "sacrifice" their cravings for their health. They want everything they eat to taste like either sugar, salt, or fat and have lost the ability to taste FOOD. They say that it's too difficult or too expensive to eat healthy. BOLOGNE. Lots of things in life are hard, and we deal with it. I don't feel sorry for people who abuse their bodies out of laziness.

  • Posted By: Lee41964 @ 07/30/2008 8:07:28 PM

    I think that you're all pretty friggin ignorant!!! Look inside your own families - I'll bet there's a FATTY somewhere, be it your Momma, Gramma, aunt, etc... Nobody choses to be obese! Shall we begin charging pregnant women additional fees to fly when they've gained their weight? Shall we charge members of the african american population charges because they have a different "body fragrance" that some may find offensive? How about the guy next to you that keeps on drinking those little bottles of something, just to help him handle the flight? Come on folks, let's get serious! The only way things are going to change is if everybody gets rid of their prejudices and accepts life at face value. Perhaps your pilot or co-pilot is carrying a little extra weight? Should we also charge them or pay them less because they're "weighing the plane down"? Commercial companies, like the airlines, must STOP using barbie dolls to take measurements for their seats. Just like the public buses, trains, etc... I happen to be tall and obese and if I was flying next to somebody ignorant, I would gladly sit next to you anyways. It takes all kinds in this world. Grow up!

  • Posted By: Flirtymomma69 @ 07/30/2008 8:06:07 PM

    I think that you're all pretty friggin ignorant!!! Look inside your own families - I'll bet there's a FATTY somewhere, be it your Momma, Gramma, aunt, etc... Nobody choses to be obese! Shall we begin charging pregnant women additional fees to fly when they've gained their weight? Shall we charge members of the african american population charges because they have a different "body fragrance" that some may find offensive? How about the guy next to you that keeps on drinking those little bottles of something, just to help him handle the flight? Come on folks, let's get serious! The only way things are going to change is if everybody gets rid of their prejudices and accepts life at face value. Perhaps your pilot or co-pilot is carrying a little extra weight? Should we also charge them or pay them less because they're "weighing the plane down"? Commercial companies, like the airlines, must STOP using barbie dolls to take measurements for their seats. Just like the public buses, trains, etc... I happen to be tall and obese and if I was flying next to somebody ignorant, I would gladly sit next to you anyways. It takes all kinds in this world. Grow up!

  • Posted By: chevychick1983 @ 07/30/2008 4:50:14 PM

    I agree with Mahalo. I have seen hundreds of overweight people standing in line at McDonalds and I ask myself, "Why are they buying Big Mac's when they know that they are overweight and know that they shouldn't be eating it". I myself, gained 20 lbs at one time simply because I could not stop eating fast food. As soon as I put down the fast food, and starting eating healthy again, it only took me 2-3 months to drop the 20 lbs. The problem is that people need to learn how to control their urges to eat the unhealthy food. Fast food is an addiction. Just think, if we got rid of McDonald's, Burger King, etc, then 1/2 of the population would loose weight. Now, back to the topic of the airline charges. I agree that if you are too big to fit into one seat, then you should buy 2 seats. I don't necessarily agree that we should charge by weight, I think that we should charge by mass (again if you are too big to fit into 1 seat, then you fit into 2 and pay the extra money).

  • Posted By: jane.simpson.wilson @ 07/09/2008 3:29:20 PM

    Let's talk reality, this is not about Fat or Thin. This is about the Airlines turning the aircraft that we fly on into cattle cars. When my parents flew domestically and internationally in the 50's on the beautiful Connie, there was plenty of room for everyone, and when you woke up in the morning, you woke to the smell of Coffee and bacon being cooked for you in the Galley. If you really want to point the Wicked finger where it belongs, let's point it at the airlines, not at each other. Please, where is the civility? I am thinner than you, therefore, I am a better and superior person (kshortSD). File your complaints with the Airlines or the FAA, otherwise, keep it to yourself, or buy yourself a seat on a charter with only four of your very slender and superior friends.

  • Posted By: villandra @ 06/28/2008 9:26:41 PM

    I absolutely agree that the obese should pay double for seats on airlines, the bus, and just about anything else. And while we're at it, the obese should also pay double for health insurance. They need to take care of tehmselves. It's disgusting. And don't tell me about health problems causing it - I have one, and I take care of myself. I weight exactly what I'm supposed to!

    • Posted By: firsty @ 07/30/2008 4:41:17 PM

      Some obese persons become obese because of medications which they must take, Others have genetic circumstances, etc. According to you, persons who are thin due to cancer could pay less. Of course that is ridiculous, but so are you.

  • Posted By: 1717 @ 07/27/2008 6:26:54 PM

    I think its not fair that skinny people only get 1/2 a seat and they are squished and miserable while the fat can relax and enjoy the plane ride. I think the fat should pay for 2 seats. Are we being punished for being healthy?

    • Posted By: firsty @ 07/30/2008 4:36:06 PM

      In many people obesity is a medical problem. You wnant to punish them for being ill? Shame on you.

    • Posted By: kittymalicious @ 07/30/2008 3:41:21 AM

      Well, if you actually do fit into airplane seats just fine, then why do you think this applies to you?

  • Posted By: chickie @ 07/30/2008 4:32:29 PM

    You pay to ship a dog or cat.

  • Posted By: joneszac @ 07/30/2008 4:29:10 PM

    Your use of the phrase "fat people" demonstrates your elitist / prejudice mindset. The correct terminology is "Obese" or "Overweight". You can not be 'fat', you have 'fat'. I am not 'Red Hair', I have red hair. Obesity is not a "lifestyle choice". Like a person's height, I challenge you to find one person that has chosen to be obese. You are right, it does tend to be an American disease, probably because the U.S. allows high fructose corn syrup to be used rather than pure sugar, but that doesn't make it less of a "disease".
    If ticket prices were based on total consumer weight: body plus baggage, there still would be a charge of discrimination because a 300 lbs person with 50 lbs of luggage would still be charged more than a 110 lbs person with 200 lbs of luggage!
    You're not subsidizing anything, your ticket prices will not go down even if they charge obese people more. It is an opportunity for the airlines to charge for something extra, so they pick a group of people to charge because it's popular to hate obese people and socially acceptable to instill anger and disgust upon this group of citizens. Which is demonstrated true by your using the phrase "fat people".

  • Posted By: pommom @ 07/30/2008 3:36:54 PM

    When you buy a ticket to fly on an airplane, you are essentially purchasing fuel and renting space. I weigh 110 lbs and take up a small space and consume less fuel. The person sitting next to me who weighs 250 lbs will use a larger space and consume more fuel. This is basic economics. I propose a set weight limit (one's own body plus baggage) for everyone to make it fair. I shouldn't have to pay an extra fee for bringing a heavy suitcase if my weight is less than half that of the person sitting next to me in the first place. If fat people are using more resources than I am for the same flight, they should be able to sacrifice in other areas (like baggage).

    Also, being tall is NOT the same as being fat. You cannot reduce your height. You can reduce your weight. Obesity is a lifestyle choice- anyone who has traveled internationally, whether it's Europe, Africa, Asia, etc., can tell you that obesity is a Western disease. Very overweight people are conspicuously absent from nations outside of the United States (and from the generations of Americans who came before us). I sympathize with those who are struggling with their weight, but the struggle is not hopeless-nor is it is something that can never be changed. In the meantime, the rest of us should NOT have to subsidize their unhealthy lifestyles.

  • Posted By: joneszac @ 07/30/2008 3:02:06 PM

    I agree that it is discrimination. The Department of Health and Human Services has allowed Medicaid and Medicare to declare it a medical condition that can be treated and prevented at Medicaid/Medicare's expense. This would suggest that weight is a private health matter protected by HIPPA, similar to AIDS or Cancer and can not be used as an instrument of discrimination. Why not charge tall people more. They take up more leg room and kick the sit in front of them more often. They also demand that airlines create taller cabins and add more space between rows. Should they be charged extra if they can not sit in their chair without touching the chair in front of them? A well developed lawsuit could prevent the airlines from imposing such a policy.
    Obese people being biased towards the obese is a social construct similar to Black people being racist towards other Black people. It's the same reason Black school children feel white dolls are superior to black dolls. Society has ingrained a discriminatory mind set of what beauty is.

  • Posted By: BrownFoxNine @ 07/30/2008 7:30:24 AM

    they take up more space and add weight to the aircraft, why shouldnt they pay?
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  • Posted By: BrownFoxNine @ 07/30/2008 7:29:45 AM

    Sure they are taking up more space and more weight on the aircraft. Why shouldnt they pay?
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  • Posted By: EE7011 @ 06/29/2008 4:40:56 PM

    So then any pregnant woman that is ok to fly would pay more for her ticket just because she gained weight while pregnant, which is to be expected?!

    • Posted By: kittymalicious @ 07/30/2008 4:28:32 AM

      As pointed out earlier, babies usually fly free on airplanes--they're not in control of their diet yet and actually can't help what they weight. When (if) they're 20 and 100 pounds overweight, that's a different story.

    • Posted By: kshortSD @ 07/02/2008 6:14:38 PM

      If airlines charge per pound, then yes. But a pregnant woman should only gain 25 to 35 pounds (and that includes the 3rd trimester, and pregnant women are advised not to fly in the last trimester) which would only be a minimal addition to her charge.

  • Posted By: summer4077 @ 06/30/2008 9:28:08 AM

    Airlines should charge a per pound fee, as some have suggested on this board. Airlines are just people movers, nothing more. UPS, FedEx, and the USPS all charge a per-weight fee, why not airlines? Problem solved.
    This society has become WAY too politically correct. Teenage mothers have 3 kids at 17 and are applauded for 'being so brave and not having an abortion', murderers are let off lightly for having a 'mental condition', fatties are costing us BILLIONS in health care, yet we're supposed to be sensitive and believe it's a 'genetic problem' and not the ho-hos, pizza, and McDonald's they're constantly scarfing. I'm not super skinny, but I'm in the healthy weight range and BMI for my height. I watch what I eat (a bit, not obsessive over it) and am active. It angers me when fatties scarf greasy, sugary food, live slothful lives, and then we all have to pay for their irresponsibility. Kind of like paying for the teenage mother's 3 children (yay welfare!) and the lifelong care for some sick SOB who murdered her children (yay insanity!). Please. Where have our senses gone?

    Sorry...I went a bit off topic...just had to get it out! :-)

    • Posted By: easyreader09 @ 07/01/2008 11:26:46 AM

      You're a horrible person summer4077. How do you sleep at night?

      • Posted By: kittymalicious @ 07/30/2008 4:24:31 AM

        I agree with you. Preach it, sister!

      • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/02/2008 9:35:18 AM

        Quite nicely, actually! I live my life with integrity, intelligence, and common sense. I have many friends and am well-respected in my community and career. I used to tutor adults and immigrants (stopped to go back to school) at the local Literacy Council, and I am one of the organizers for Operation Feed at my company. I'm getting a second master's at 26 years old--maintaining a 4.0 GPA and a 48 hour work week. And no, I didn't have an easy time of life. I've struggled for everything I've achieved but have NEVER relied on government assistance or someone else to pave my way. I worked full time and part time jobs, took out loans, and sacrificed a lot just to put myself through school. I sleep just fine, because I know I am living a good, hard-working life and also giving back to my community in a way that benefits those that deserve it.
        I'm sorry if you don't see that there are severe issues of irresponsibility facing this country, but I certainly do. How do YOU sleep at night?? In Section 8 housing?

        • Posted By: kshortSD @ 07/02/2008 6:09:36 PM

          Nice post. I don't think you're a horrible person. In fact, I usually agree strongly with your posts.

  • Posted By: magles @ 07/02/2008 11:29:15 AM

    And when the airlines continue to decrease the size of seats even more so that even the svelte and "beautiful" people can't fit in them, will those superior people still think it's ok to charge more if you don't fit comfortably in the seat?

    • Posted By: kshortSD @ 07/02/2008 4:23:39 PM

      You act like thin people are just lucky, just as having natural "beauty" would be the result of luck. If being thin is the result of hard work and discipline, maybe some of us can feel a bit superior? After all, it seems that we have achieved something that many people deem "impossible".

      • Posted By: jane.simpson.wilson @ 07/09/2008 3:11:02 PM

        I would like you to meet my two daughters, one is 21 and the other 28. One was born an ectomorph, and the other an endomorph. My "thin" child, has always been a bean pole. Luck of the genetic draw. My "heavier" child got, what I consider to be the short end of the stick. They were both raised at the same dinner table with a balanced meal every evening. Both were taught correct principles nutritionally, and yet I have had to watch my "heavier" daughter struggle with her body from Day 1. She had watch her sister, who eats anything she chooses, doesn't work out at the gym and basically has been blessed with the body that was given to her. She was chosen to be a runway model in High School and has never worried a day in her life about weight. My other daughter has the discipline to be a vegetarian and eat berries and twigs off of small plates. She works out every day at the gym and I have great respect for her. She will NEVER look like her sister, and It breaks my heart to see her struggle against the genetic code of being an ectomorph and having to work like a dog so that she can be accepted by people like you who "feel a bit superior" to those who didn't get the ectomorph luck of the draw. My daughter is Superior to your self-righteous rambling about what a great person you are. Shame on you and others like you. You indeed have achieved the "impossible" total self-absorption, and a lack of sincere consideration for others. Shame on you.

        • Posted By: kittymalicious @ 07/30/2008 4:13:15 AM

          Like I've said before, life is unfair, suck it up and pay what's due. I've worked my way from a crappy inner-city school to elite higher education by reading and reading and reading--incidentally, I have the genes for myopia and have had to buy glasses and contacts since the fifth grade. There are people out there who are completely illiterate who will live the majority of their lives with perfect vision, while all I want to do is learn and I can't even read a computer screen from a foot away. Guess that means I have to keep paying for the flaws of my crappy genes, right? Sucks for you daughter, but tell her to man up and compensate for her flaws, not whine to other people that they're not being fair.

  • Posted By: elljaye @ 07/03/2008 4:41:40 PM

    What the airlines should do is make a few rows of wider seats that are optional to anyone who is willing to pay a little more for their flight. I'm sure larger people would be glad to have the extra room.
    I am a small person and never cared about neighboring "overflow' until one time on Southwest I was one of the first people on the plane, and chose an aisle seat. Then two obese people were boarding and spotted little me alone on a row and made a beeline towards me. They both pulled up the armrests and forced me up and out of my seat. As I stood there looking around for somewhere else to sit, the flight attendant yelled at me and told me to sit down. There was aproximately 1/4 of a seat for me, which I could only sqweeze into by sliding in sideways with my feet pointing out in the aisle. The flight attendant proceeded to yell at me to tuck my feet in and would kick me and roll the carts over me. I could barely breathe and it took every fiber of my being to not have a panic attack. After the 2/12 hour flight, my legs were asleep, I was soaked in sweat, and was covered in bruises the next day. The two obese people, by the way, never aknowledged me nor apologized. Neither did Southwest Airlines.

    • Posted By: kittymalicious @ 07/30/2008 3:56:25 AM

      Enter Your CommentI have a horror story for you as well. I'm not a tiny girl but I can fit very comfortably in an airplane seat. On my last SW flight, I was one of the first ones in and chose a window seat. I saw a very large woman beeline for the seat right next to me and was determined to keep the armrest between us to myself. However, the moment she sat down, her roll pushed my arm right off the armrest. Then, she began wiggling around and actually started pushing the armrest between us up *purposefully* with her hip. I politely said, "Excuse me" and brought the armrest back down. Later on, I fell asleep leaning against the window side because our arms were touching if I sat up straight and when I woke up, to my absolute horror, she had shoved the armrest all the way up and we were in full bodily contact from hip to shoulder. I was so incredibly disturbed and sickened. I'm in my early twenties but I guess I can look younger--if it had been a regular sized male who woke up against me, you bet that the airline would've realized immediately how innappropriate that contact was. However, because it was a woman who "couldn't help" but be large, when I found an attendent on my way to the rest room and asked what could be done, she just looked at me like I was being horrible and said the flight was full so there wasn't anything she could do. No apology AND I had to go back and stuff myself back between the woman and the wall of the airplane.

  • Posted By: sunflower123 @ 07/11/2008 1:52:19 AM

    how dare you karen and joan for judging people..only god does that...so maybe you should pay more if you want to go to heaven, with what you have stated in your article, take a good look a YOURSELF...i am sure you have some flaws of some kind. i know of one, you are a very cruel and rude person...so yes you should be charged for opening your BIG MOUTH when you critic others on their weight. sunflower123

    • Posted By: kittymalicious @ 07/30/2008 3:43:20 AM

      Ah, yes, nothing scares mean people more than the threat of hell. March on, righteous one!

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