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  • Posted By: Mavendetout @ 08/10/2009 3:40:52 PM

    Married 40 years. Never had 'em, never wanted them.
    At 63 and 61 respectively, my wife and I are beyond joyful at never having had children.
    The rewards of childlessness have seemed to increase over the years, and I suspect, after many years of observation, that most men become fathers because they want to prove to the adults around them that they really, really are grown up. Very sad.

  • Posted By: pauljg1974 @ 07/17/2009 6:33:19 AM

    PS: Sorry for the long text!

    Paul.x

  • Posted By: pauljg1974 @ 07/17/2009 6:32:46 AM

    So, where do our feelings of happiness, sadness, anxiety with our kids, depression come from then? The thing is that, the situations, and the things that happen to piss us off, make us impatient, make us feel elated and wonderful too are all secondary causes, which act as the trigger. We all know that some people are able to cope with so much from their kids. Their kids give them a constant hard time. But, some of these people are able to just take it all in their stride, and are able to keep smiling. Other people find it difficult to smile about anything. Everything seems to get on their nerves, and irritate them, and make them unhappy. Why is this? Well, actually, all of these feelings that we have, ranging from the heaviest depression, to the lightest, care-free, happiest times - originate from our within our mind.
    So, what is the basic, root cause of our happiness then?
    Well, It lies in developing states of mind that directly cause it: Developing patience, love, compassion, kindness to others is where it's at. This is why parents find (for a short time anyway!) that they feel incredibly happy, when caring for this new little person, that has come along. We know that these feelings don't last though. Why? Because most of us don't realise the actual causes for happiness come from within.
    Temporary happiness, through having great kids, and all the other things that we do stuff is fine, of course. We all need a holiday! But, we also need to gradually built up this internal cause. Many people find this happening when they have kids. We learn all these things from them.. Patience, love, living in the moment... But, we also need to understand that the happiness that we feel is generated within our own mind. If we understand this, and know the methods to use, then the things that once pissed us off, tested our patience, made us depressed, gradually have less and less of an effect. It does sound crazy, but, it's possible with a little effort, to become very happy all the time. And we, and more importantly, those close to us ??? our family, become happier also.
    This following little verse is from Shantideva, the Indian Buddhist master:

    "Where would I find enough leather
    To cover the entire surface of the earth?
    But with leather soles beneath my feet,
    It???s as if the whole world had been covered.
    Likewise, if I retrain this troublesome mind of mine, what would be the need in retraining all else?"

    Sounds corny I know, but that's where it's at.
    Having kids is great. If we don't have them, still fine. But, we need to know that root causes of our happiness. Once we know that, everything else falls into place..
    Cheers all.

  • Posted By: pauljg1974 @ 07/17/2009 6:32:20 AM

    It does appear that the causes of our happiness and suffering actually come directly from the people around us, and the situations we find ourselves in. In this case, our children. Of course, a whole myriad of things affect how we feel. We commonly think that our kids are the actual cause of how we feel. We feel that our feelings of happiness or stress are actually coming from our kids. But, although most of us think this, this is actually mistaken.

    The basic, root cause of all our happiness, comes from our mental intention to wish others to be happy, and try to make others happy. Many people feel that their lives have been transformed when they have children, as all of a sudden, there is a little person that who needs our constant attention, love and care. We all know that, when we have kids, all the stuff we were used to doing, like partying, travelling, meeting friends, and all the other past-times that we actually think our the root causes of our happiness have to take a back seat sometimes (well, most of the time!) Our kids challenge us, and can make things very difficult too, of course. But, the message I want to convey here, is that the actual causes for happiness don't come soley from these external things. Holidays, partying, travelling, spending money on new shoes, etc, are all contributory causes for temporary happiness - until we get bored of the shoes we bought last month, or we find that the hotel has a building site outside, or we get bored of the plasma tv that we spent £2,000 on, or we get bored of the sexy new partner we chatted up in a bar a while back.

  • Posted By: pauljg1974 @ 07/17/2009 6:31:45 AM

    Yep. Kids can make us feel like the happiest people in the world, and they can also drive us completely mad. I think we need to take a look at what the root cause is of all our happiness.

  • Posted By: dblag1976 @ 07/02/2008 4:32:46 PM

    I am 32 years old, and a stay at home mom of four children, my olderst is 7 and my youngest is 2. I love my children dearly, and at the same time, I appreciate this article and believe there is some truth to it. Just like some of you have said, "different strokes for different folks." Every relationship is different and is meant to be that way. If you want to have kids, great. If you don't, great. I always wanted to have kids, and I made that choice because it's something I wanted for me, not to conform to any standards society may hold. I am a good mom, and my kids are good kids, and being a mom takes a lot of hard work. In that same breathe, it takes a lot of hard work just being in a relationship or being an individual. I don't think anyone is more special because of a decision to have or not have children. We all have our own, personal struggles in life, and what's important is that we make it through and keep moving.

    • Posted By: Greetingsearthling @ 04/19/2009 8:53:32 PM

      Hello dblag1976, I enjoyed reading your comment. I also agree.

    • Posted By: pukeko @ 01/26/2009 2:57:07 AM

      Bravo Lukie. You have made a brave, considered and completely selfless decision - far more selfless than many of the small-minded parents who have left unbelievably petty comments here.

  • Posted By: Greetingsearthling @ 04/19/2009 8:46:49 PM

    I've always thought having kids were a blessing and so I agree with most people that say that kids complete you. I don't have kids. My situations never allowed me to. However, I still am hoping to have children in the future (but first I want to get married and have a stable life--money wise, and job wise as well). I am 25 and I am still hoping for them. I hope I can start having kids and finding that beautiful place with my husband. I always wanted the mother life.

  • Posted By: giglles @ 04/13/2009 10:43:05 PM

    All I know, is my Children bring me a level of happiness and joy that none of my accomplishments can ever hold up too. They have taught me how to live in the moment, enjoy nature again, and be curious. They are blessings and I feel lucky to have them.

  • Posted By: Sunnynight @ 03/21/2009 12:16:18 PM

    I think the author Ali, doesnt know anything about life on this Earth, if nobody had children, we were extinguished since long time ago. I found people are radical these days, Having children, dont having, be religious, dont be...etc. Someone feels happy leaving his/her genome on this Earth before dying (that is why living things are alive) and someone else would prefer dont have children because parenthood is not for his/her way of living.
    Personally I wouldnt like having kids, I dont understand how mothers and parents loose their brains to do incoherences by their kids (several times in detriment of their own kids). For example, dont accept that the child needs a correction when he/she did a wrong thing. It is like live a delusion, as being in love a second time.

  • Posted By: Susanroyle @ 11/06/2008 7:56:00 PM

    In my personal experience, it's not true that being childless makes you happy. I am in a second marriage, and my husband is older than I am. He had children from his first marriage and didn't want to start over again, despite my pleas. Fast forward to 20 years later, he's retired, and we're both lonely, bored and unfulfilled. It's not that we don't get along, we do. But everyone needs more than one important person in their life. People with family around, whether it's the nuclear family or extended family, have no idea how lonely and empty your life can be without family. I have found that as people age, they spend more time with extended family, particularly when they retire. I increasingly see our friends and neighbors spend more time with their grown children and grandchildren. We are spending more and more time alone. Aside from lacking people contact in my life, there is no greater human need than to be needed. I am envious of my friends who get a call from their children asking them to baby-sit. I would be thrilled to have someone need me like that.

    • Posted By: violetmoon @ 03/08/2009 7:23:13 AM

      Susanroyle, your comments, "Fast forward to 20 years later, he's retired, and we're both lonely, bored and unfulfilled. It's not that we don't get along, we do. But everyone needs more than one important person in their life" and "I would be thrilled to have someone need me like that" are disturbing and serve to remind me what type of person is so desperate to have children. I think it's incredibly sad that you have been unable to create a meaningful life for yourself and are operating under the mindset that you need to find personal fulfillment in other people. That is honestly a huge error. The idea of reproducing in order to be needed by someone, loved by someone, is also wrong. Do you understand how taxing parenting is on every aspect of your being? Do you truly desire that commitment to a child, or do you just want someone around to love you when you're old? The most educated, intellectual, and active people I know (the happiest, most well-adjusted and fulfilled people I know) have never wanted children. Think about it.

    • Posted By: pukeko @ 01/25/2009 1:19:33 AM

      Susan, I think it is really sad that you have never come to terms with the decision you made to marry your husband 20 years ago even though you wanted children and he didn't. What a tragedy to carry that resentment for such a large proportion of your life. What is even sadder that you are now complaining about being "lonely, bored and unfulfilled", blaming that on not having children, rather than your own attitude to life. I am 43 and met my second husband when I was 39. I had the exact same scenario as you and I know how agonising the decision is - do I marry this man who is so well suited to me even though he doesn't want children? I understand your pain, believe me i do. But to carry it for 20 years and use it as an excuse?? I'm not saying the decision to accept not having children with my husband was easy or fast, but I made darned sure I took responsibility for my own personal decision in going ahead. Yes,a grieving process was necessary, as I always believed I would have children. But once I reached the other side,I became so excited about the possibilities - about what remaining childless would open up for me - everything from starting the business I had always dreamed of in a field I am passionate about, to travelling to Nepal to volunteer in an orphanage my friend helped set up, to writing, painting, learning languages, mentoring the young people in my life etc etc. I have so much enthusiasm for life, and my husband and I are having so much fun, that we attract many peopleof all ages into our circle and home. There is no reason to be lonely apart from yourself. I ban the word "bored' from my, and my employee's/ nieces/ nephews/ godson's, vocabulary. There is so much to do and to learn in this world. You have chosen to be unhappy and blame it on children. For heaven's sake, get a grip now and start making something happen in your life, without wanting others to "need" you. And please, if you genuinely have that need, then open your eyes and see how many people in this world DO need you! The article was great and opened up a taboo subject. But also keep in mind, not everyone without children chose not to have them.Some are dealing with circumstances where they can't. Be sensitive to that, all of you.

      And p.s. - Personally I am so glad things worked out this way for me. I love my life!

    • Posted By: pukeko @ 01/25/2009 1:17:49 AM

      SuSusan, it is time toSusan, I think it is really sad that you have never come to terms with the decision you made to marry your husband 20 years ago even though you wanted children and he didn't. What a tragedy to carry that resentment for such a large proportion of your life. What is even sadder that you are now complaining about being "lonely, bored and unfulfilled", blaming that on not having children, rather than your own attitude to life. I am 43 and met my second husband when I was 39. I had the exact same scenario as you and I know how agonising the decision is - do I marry this man who is so well suited to me even though he doesn't want children? I understand your pain, believe me i do. But to carry it for 20 years and use it as an excuse?? I'm not saying the decision to accept not having children with my husband was easy or fast, but I made darned sure I took responsibility for my own personal decision in going ahead. Yes,a grieving process was necessary, as I always believed I would have children. But once I reached the other side,I became so excited about the possibilities - about what remaining childless would open up for me - everything from starting the business I had always dreamed of in a field I am passionate about, to travelling to Nepal to volunteer in an orphanage my friend helped set up, to writing, painting, learning languages, mentoring the young people in my life etc etc. I have so much enthusiasm for life, and my husband and I are having so much fun, that we attract many peopleof all ages into our circle and home. There is no reason to be lonely apart from yourself. I ban the word "bored' from my, and my employee's/ nieces/ nephews/ godson's, vocabulary. There is so much to do and to learn in this world. You have chosen to be unhappy and blame it on children. For heaven's sake, get a grip now and start making something happen in your life, without wanting others to "need" you. And please, if you genuinely have that need, then open your eyes and see how many people in this world DO need you! The article was great and opened up a taboo subject. But also keep in mind, not everyone without children chose not to have them.Some are dealing with circumstances where they can't. Be sensitive to that, all of you.

      And p.s. - Personally I am so glad things worked out this way for me. I love my life!

  • Posted By: dr. Q @ 07/07/2008 12:11:31 PM

    No, it's not for everybody. You could say this about anything challenging--med school and postgraduate training in my case. I officially discourage people from entering medicine because it might weed out some weenie who didn't have what it takes to begin with--if have motivation and you're committed, what I say shouldn't matter. Same goes for parenting. If you have the drive to be a grown up adult capable of putting the long-term satisfaction of being a parent and having given it your all in front of the self-indulgent thrill of the moment, then you likely don't need my encouragement. If some newsweek article talks you out of being a parent, you shouldn't have been in the first place. Go skip off and play with your friends. It's not like we have a shortage of people.

    • Posted By: amaryllism @ 07/09/2008 12:50:58 PM

      you know, i have to wonder about people like this. if i don't make exactly the decision you did, i must be an irresponsible weenie. (who even says "weenie" anymore?) here's a clue: if we all became doctors, the world would end. no one would be picking up the garbage, no one would be building houses, no one would be growing crops, etc., etc. just because my choice is different, even so different you couldn't imagine making it, doesn't make it wrong.

      • Posted By: violetmoon @ 03/08/2009 7:14:01 AM

        Um, amaryllism, you completely missed the point of the doctor's argument. He agrees: it's fine to not have children if it's not something that you personally are driven to do. Just as not everyone is driven to become a doctor, not everyone is driven to become a parent. I fail to see how he was disparaging people who are not doctors.

  • Posted By: RUGBYGUILT @ 02/23/2009 11:23:08 AM

    I plan to never create children. There's already 6 billion people plus on this planet; no sense in adding to the problem.

    ;-)

  • Posted By: Stephanie Tane @ 07/02/2008 11:40:02 AM

    It astounds me that the word "selfish" is brought up again and again and again when voluntary childlessness is discussed. I have come to the conclusion that a surprising number of people don't know what the word actually means. According to Merriam-Webster, the definition of "selfish" is:

    1: concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others
    2: arising from concern with one's own welfare or advantage in disregard of others

    The two key phrases in the formal definition of selfishness are "without regard for others" and "in disregard of others". Whose wellbeing is being disregarded by not having children? Who is falling "victim" to the fact that some people decide not to reproduce? Please, stop it with the subjective colloquialisms already!

    • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/02/2008 12:58:50 PM

      Now that you have looked up the definition, think about it a bit longer. Hopefully you'll come to an understanding of what it means to be selfish. You are choosing not to have children, since it would force you to grow up. You are only thinking about the advantages that you gain by not having children, and are disregarding the interests, needs, and wishes of everyone else by doing so.

      • Posted By: pukeko @ 01/26/2009 3:05:33 AM

        Why so bitter, Guru? Why are you online attacking the childfree when you could be spending quality time with your children? This is ringing alarm bells for me.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/02/2008 11:46:22 AM

      Well said! Having children or not is not a matter of selfishness, but of personal opinion. Not everyone can adhere to the cookie-cutter "American dream" of 2.5 kids and a white picket fence. And who would want to?? We would be robbed of some of the great minds of society if forced to conform to such a narrow standard. Live and let live!

      • Posted By: SaveEarthSam @ 07/02/2008 12:03:39 PM

        I agree! People are just too afraid to "think outside the box". Why do people care so much if other people have kids anyway? That's non of their business!

    • Posted By: M.Singer @ 07/02/2008 11:45:03 AM

      can we have the definition of subjective collowhoseawhatsit please?

  • Posted By: kfccruelty @ 07/27/2008 6:16:03 PM

    does anybody know if there are any groups I can join to meet other adults who have made the same choice as me to not have kids. I would really love to meet others who I feel have made the more intelligent choice especially in this day and age.

    • Posted By: pukeko @ 01/26/2009 2:42:40 AM

      Come and visit us at www.thechildfreelife.com .

    • Posted By: cunardqueen @ 07/30/2008 7:47:13 PM

      There is a Child-Free by Choice board on iVillage, alsother are sites childfreethinker.com, nokidding.com and positivelychildfree.com.

  • Posted By: showmecouple @ 07/02/2008 10:48:19 PM

    We were married seven years before having children, and we have been empty nesters for two years now. We lived as DINKS, and also as a traditional family. For us,....having children made our lives sooo much more interesting, unpredictable, and fun. Maybe this is not the same as happiness, but us parents both agree the best years of our lives were spent together as a family...going to sports events and watching our daughters compete, going on Girl Scout trips, meeting our daughter's friends, and the friend's parents, family camping trips. and on and on. Now that we are empty nesters...we can do anything we like, go where we like, live a hedonistic lifestyle if we choose. Fact is, compared to our family life..this is boring. Childless couples would probably not understand. But, I am glad they are happy too.

    • Posted By: ZenGarden @ 07/09/2008 12:15:25 AM

      Correction, childfree couples are HAPPIER. Read the research. As for the patronizing comment that "childless couples would probably not understand"--neither can you understand the boundless joys of a childfree life.

      • Posted By: watermyflowers @ 01/10/2009 2:07:13 PM

        Maybe having children changes something inside your brain, and that is why empty-nesters could feel a little bored, even when they take up all their old pastimes again.

      • Posted By: watermyflowers @ 01/10/2009 2:06:32 PM

        Maybe having children changes something inside your brain, and that is why empty-nesters could feel a little bored, even when they take up all their old pastimes again.

  • Posted By: gravybucket @ 07/08/2008 10:13:49 AM

    It's true that not everyone should have babies. Those who don't want them shouldn't have them because they'll just screw them up, abuse them, or just not show them the love they need and deserve.
    At the same time, why shouldn't they have babies?? Why don't they want them?? Is it really because it is "greener" like someone said or because they don't have the "maternal instinct" as another person said? I think that is just bull. People can call it what they want, but I think it comes down to them not wanting the responsibility or to give up some of their freedom. That is the essence of selfishness.
    Now others have said that it is selfish to have children because it is over populating the world, or other things like that. Also bull. The human race must go on. If we want to make the world better, those of us who are educated and ethical people need to teach those traits to our children. You know there are always going to be the stupid/white trashy people who have a kid out of wedlock because they don't know how to use birth control, or the dumb highschool girls who want to be cute pregnant. What are the chances of those kids coming out well? Us responsible people need to try and counter act that. You can make excuses for not having kids... and that's fine... that's your prerogative, but lets just accept them as that... excuses.

    • Posted By: colleen412 @ 12/31/2008 8:35:32 PM

      "The human race must go on..."

      Why?

    • Posted By: onwisconsin66 @ 12/28/2008 1:10:20 PM

      I wish people would stop using the term "white trash". How can people, by your Christian definition of "Love thy neighbor as thyself" be called trash?

    • Posted By: ATrueTexan @ 12/24/2008 1:02:43 AM

      Gravybucket, ever remember reading the scripture, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." Matthew 7:1 Perhaps you should consider reviewing it. :)

    • Posted By: amaryllism @ 07/09/2008 12:39:17 PM

      trust me, the human race is in no danger of not going on. we are creating more children than we can feed, educate, treat medically or provide jobs for. i'm fairly certain god's commandmant to be fruitful and multiply did not imply "even if those children will starve to death or die of malaria before their 5th birthdays"

    • Posted By: Manee1 @ 07/08/2008 11:07:08 AM

      An excuse means you want to get out of an obligation. No one is obligated to have children.

  • Posted By: chocolatelover @ 07/08/2008 9:15:35 PM

    I can guarantee I feel less stress and worry than any parent. I also feel less tired at the end of the day and appreciate the quiet in my home. Considering all that is involved, I would also agree that children do not make you happy... that isn't their job. I also recognize that the joy parents feel in their children should be deeper than the joy I can feel without children; that is the nature of service and no one should serve more than a parent. However, what should be is often very different from reality. I just hope that no parent reads this and resents their children because of it. Like the article states, it has become very complicated to raise children and there is less support for you. It isn't likely to get easier either, but no one should judge those who choose to be parents any more than any other generalized group. I, personally, am trying to give more support to those parents in my circle of influence. Most of them really deserve that. Maybe I can help bring their stats up 7%. :)

    • Posted By: colleen412 @ 12/31/2008 8:30:24 PM

      "I also recognize that the joy parents feel in their children should be deeper than the joy I can feel without children.."

      Sorry, not going to fly. That statement infers that the Childfree are incapable of feeling 'deep/real/true' joy because they chose to not to have children. Its an insult. The ability to feel 'deep/real/true' joy does NOT depend on whether a person decides to breed or not.

    • Posted By: ATrueTexan @ 12/24/2008 12:48:27 AM

      This post of full of honesty, love and compassion..... what beautiful words. Thank you for posting. :)

  • Posted By: MiraKitty @ 07/22/2008 11:09:31 PM

    KerryS, People who don't have kids won't "leave a legacy"? Writing a book, finding a cure for a disease, or any numerous other accomplishments are a far greater legacy than leaving behind a possible delinquent who is nothing but a drain on our already rapidly diminishing resources. Your reasons for having children seem far more selfish than not having children. I will fund my own retirement and have time to make lifelong friends; instead of mourning children, I will leave behind funds for charities that will make a difference. Not having children is selfish? On the contrary, to CHOOSE children if by far the more selfish decision.

    • Posted By: colleen412 @ 12/31/2008 8:14:15 PM

      Exactly! I can't tell you how many times I've had to bring that up!

      If I had a dollar for everytime, I could pay off my car and student loans (only slightly exaggerating...slightly).

  • Posted By: Shoy @ 07/27/2008 4:28:39 AM

    I have always preferred the term "CHILDFREE" vs "childless". One is a joyous proclamation. The later is a dismal assessment ,more often than ,not passed from another on that couple who has made a concientious decission to avoid the pressures of a society locked into traditions from a century ago that birthed the mentality which produced the very humerous book "Cheaper by the Dozen". In our current century and looking forward, the Childfree are leaving a far smaller carbon footprint on our Earth, Our ultimate legacy is to pioneer the way to greater stewardship of the Earth.

    • Posted By: colleen412 @ 12/31/2008 8:11:33 PM

      Excellent point! Thanks for posting it!

  • Posted By: xoxoseven @ 07/27/2008 11:36:46 PM

    My husband and I never had a particularly strong urge to procreate. In fact, we were never that thrilled with kids. Then I was diagnosed as bipolar. This can be heritable. It appears that my paternal grandmother had issues and I'm positive that my father did as well. Living with a parent with extreme moods can be confusing to a child. Of course, I had my own problems to contend with. Two bipolars in the same home is NOT pretty.

    That clinched it. Why would I want to create a child who I would probably love more than anything and stick them with a mental illness?

    Also, I'd have had to go off my medication while I was pregnant. It might not work as well when I restarted it. Even if the kid wasn't bipolar, he/she would bear the brunt of it.

    We're glad we didn't have kids. I prefer that the mental illness stop with me. My husband agrees.

    We enjoy our nieces and nephews and enjoy spoiling them. We enjoy our passions like photography and horses and astronomy. We haven't missed out on anything. Because I'm well regulated, we enjoy happy SANE lives.

    As for those who feel that their children will look out for them in their old age: don't count on it. My mother adored my brother above all else. When she became old and no longer able to be his housekeeper, cook, laundress, etc, he sent her to an assisted living facility near me while he continued to live 500 miles away, but not before he got her to sign her share of the house over to him. He broke her heart and she never recovered. The bottom line is -- don't count on your precious children to give you the same priority you give them.

    • Posted By: gravybucket @ 07/29/2008 12:15:06 PM

      I imagine having a child when you have a mental illness would be a very challenging endeavor, and, depending on the severity of it, it may have been a wise decision for you and your husband.
      However, all of the people without kids who say they aren't missing anything really have no idea, so those comments just shouldn't be made.

      • Posted By: colleen412 @ 12/31/2008 8:07:23 PM

        No, comments like THAT shouldn't be made! My life is not lacking anything positive due to my decision to live Childfree.

        I saw what having children did to my godmother (God rest her)...it ruined her. She was happy, had a good job, and lots of friends before she married and had my cousins. From the day she got pregnant, she changed. Everytime I saw her, she was more unhappy. She did the 'selfless' crap that you have to do for kids, and it drained the lifeblood out of her. Their father was a worthless piece of crap, left her alone to raise and support the kids (on a part-time retail paycheck) to hook up w/ some skank he did/sold drugs with. The kids, after spending their entire lifetimes being catered to by their mother and grandmother, DEMANDED what they wanted...and always got it. I can't tell you how many times she said that she wanted to die/was better off dead.

        My godmother died 4 years ago. She had a stroke @ the age of 45.

      • Posted By: Manee1 @ 08/07/2008 11:05:03 AM

        Back at you! Those who have children don't know what they're missing. I feel bad for many people who have children, frankly. My life is SO awesome, just the way I want it.

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