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  • Posted By: lukie68 @ 07/02/2008 3:52:27 PM

    I am a 40 year old childless by chance woman who gave up the chance at parenthood for the man that I love. He essentially saved me from an abusive relationship, of which I am still trying to recover from. He is a wonderful man, who is in his early 50's and has three adult daughters and one infant granddaughter. He did not want, nor could he afford (mega child support and alimony), to have any more kids (not to mention that he is snipped). Now that doesn't mean that I don't feel a sense of loss at times (especially around his granddaughter). However, this direction in life has given me the opportunity to devote a lot of time to volunteering. I volunteer with an animal rescue group and am also a Big Sister volunteer. There is something very special about unselfishly giving of yourself to others (people and animals alike) to make the world a better place. I don't have kids of my own, but I am very proud to say that I have given an impoverished child (my Little Sister) a better life and have help many strays find loving homes.

  • Posted By: Ajinin @ 07/02/2008 3:51:40 PM

    This is quite an entry, but people who try to make an argument must bring merit(s) to their argument. Guru1976 you are quite hilarious. You comment on other's people's lives without knowing any facts and you assume. You are exactly the type of person the internet was created for - people who desire anonymity so they can be incompetent without having to deal with the consequence(s). As well, it appears you are quite ignorant on volunteer activities. These sort of activities are for indefinite periods of time, and I voluntarily quit. At the time I graduated from my community college and I was transferring to the University of Iowa, so it wasn???t feasible at this point.

    Am I ready for children? No chance, I am quite busy /interested with trying to make the world a better place by: volunteering at a food bank , helping cleaning up Iowa City and Cedar Rapids via Americorps, working on my dissertation, writing my own book, etc. For you to comment on my abilities as a possible parent demonstrates your ignorance knows no limit. I hope you come to the realization that you should think and analyze before you decide to spew whatever it is you think has validity in your argument(s).

    As for my business comparison and contrast example to the choice of having a child, my background is in business and economics, so I use what I have learned to make the choice, which I believe is best. As far as your logic and you saying having children, ???is simply a choice.??? Well, you can think that if you want but to say that it???s simply a choice, demonstrates you do not think fully about the situation(s) at hand, the consequences, and the string of events that leads to that ???choice.??? For you to say,

    ???Do you want to give up some of your immature desires in order to become an adult, or do you want to live carefree with as little responsibility as possible while, at the same time, maintaining a minimal level of satisfactory self-gratification????

  • Posted By: 101grad @ 07/02/2008 3:13:38 PM

    all of you that have kids good for you.. things are different now, kids are more of a hassle then a necessity. Marriage is also a thing of the past. Marriage has NO gains for men, only advantages are for the woman. Get rid of all these good for nothing stay at home moms that watch opera all day eating bon bons. all you women with your muffin tops are nothing but depreciating assets. leykis 101 baby.


    • Posted By: ariesgal63 @ 07/02/2008 3:48:47 PM

      You are just an *** aren't you??? I am a stay home educated hot looking mom! i have two kids who are gifted and well behaved and a husband that is awesome to me. I am physically fit and I am 45 and look like I am 30! I am an intelligent human being with a lot of interests. you can't generalize and say that all women who stay home are fat and eat bon bons...you are stupid and ignorant..

    • Posted By: mnshdesai @ 07/02/2008 3:16:04 PM

      Thanks buddy. You proved my point loud and clear !!!!!

  • Posted By: gto26 @ 07/02/2008 2:28:01 PM

    101grad: do you hate all women or just ones that sit at home and watch oprah?

    • Posted By: 101grad @ 07/02/2008 3:09:11 PM

      I don't hate women, I love them.. when they SHUT THE HELL UP.. if they want equal rights then I think we should treat them like men. All they do is sit at starbucks during the day with all the other wives that don't work just to talk crap about their husbands that's AT work. Spending her husbands dime at starbucks talking crap. bunch of losers old has beens.

      • Posted By: ariesgal63 @ 07/02/2008 3:46:39 PM

        101 grad..why is it any of your business that these women at starbucks talk crap about their husbands??? are you one of those shitty husbands?

      • Posted By: my choice not yours @ 07/02/2008 3:31:20 PM

        ... I thought of several things that came to mind that I wanted to put out there in response to your very hostile comment, but for some reason I have the feeling that even if I said something well worded and well thought out you would just spin it around for your own gain.

        I personally work full time out side the home. I am also a full time student. I take pride in taking care of my husband and my son. Even so, I am still offended by your comment. I feel that one of the worst things that happened in our society is that women started working outside of the home. I feel that the family as a whole has suffered ever since. Women working outside the home grew out of need during war times and then women began to crave a different lifestyle. I am not saying that things should be back to the Cleavers, but I feel cheated out of having the opportunity to stay at home and take care of my family the way I would like to. Society has changed so much it is almost impossible and for the families that can make it work, I commend them. Again, you are commenting on how someone else chooses to live, how is this affecting your life for you to voice so strongly about it?

  • Posted By: ariesgal63 @ 07/02/2008 3:43:54 PM

    I think no one should judge other people who do not want to have kids, if they are happy without kids..good for them! I think kids can be a hassle and a joy at the same time. It's how tolerant are you? or how much patience and sacrifice or time you are willing to give to children that makes having kids worth it. If you plan to have kids I think it can be a joy rather than be irresponsible and get pregnant without planning, now that can make you feel

  • Posted By: sailingbutterfly @ 07/02/2008 12:47:18 PM

    I thought this article was well written. Your personal beliefs, or opinions of the research findings should not be the main reason to criticize the author.

    • Posted By: mnshdesai @ 07/02/2008 1:03:24 PM

      The article was definitely well-written - wonderful language, perfect grammar, numerous studies quoted, etc. The content was outrageous. The author has no authority to make a "judgement" on the question "Having children makes you happier". At the end of article, she says "FALSE". That is what I have a problem with. Levae it as an article and let each one of us take what we want from the article. But, don't you dare to pass a judgement on it. It is everyone's individual judgement.

      Even if the author had said "False, in my opinion", I would not have been so mad. But, she just passes a judgement "False". Who does she think she is ? GOD, repesenting all of us ??

      • Posted By: karenbarranco @ 07/02/2008 3:05:12 PM

        The point is that everyone who has a chlld says that it is the greatest thing that has ever happened to them. The reality is that after working in the psychiatric unit for 5 years, many people regret having children and wish that they would have thought about alternative choices. They do not make great parents because they have too many of their own problems, thier bodies change after pregnancy, suffer from post-partum depression, etc. A very complicated topic. That is why this article is SO VERY IMPORTANT as it has generated so much discussion about an ever pressing issue about our world. I am happy that the writer chose to take a stance and state truths that make people feel uncomfortable.

        • Posted By: 4any4all @ 07/02/2008 3:43:15 PM

          It might be fair to say that your view is slightly skewed because you see a high volume of pathology. The ward where you work likely doesn't exist to attend to those who don't have those kinds of problems.

  • Posted By: ariesgal63 @ 07/02/2008 3:41:00 PM

    I think it's ok if a couple chooses not to have kids, why would other people feel bad or strange about it? I think in order to want and have kids, you have to have a mind set or be fully prepared or it would end up making you a very unhappy parent. Both my kids were planned and I do believe if I had any accidents it would not have made me happy to be a parent. no offense but the mind set and preparation rediness is imp!

  • Posted By: SBert059 @ 07/02/2008 3:14:11 PM

    In response to the comment by mnshdesai, I would certainly hope that people would apply their intellect before they go and have children. If a person doesn't have room for a child in his or her life for whatever reason, be it financial, be it selfishness, be it desire and lifestyle, that person would be better to not bring another child into our overcrowded world. Let the people who intellectually decide they want children have the children. These people as a whole will raise kids better than people who haven't intellectually considerred what it means to have a child.

    • Posted By: mnshdesai @ 07/02/2008 3:24:14 PM

      You are right. We should all be free to have "fun". But, when it comes to dealing with the consequences, we should all move our brains from below the belt to our heads and shun our responsibilites. Well said !!!!

      • Posted By: SBert059 @ 07/02/2008 3:40:40 PM

        It wasn't said at all, but applied by you. May I add, I think we should apply our intellect towards everything that we do in examining our actions effects on ourselves, others and world. Although we're human, and by definition, apt for some error, we need to act responsibly before and after actions that may have consequences. For example, if one is not ready or does not want kids, that person should plan accordingly.

        If you want to argue abortion or even family planning, those are whole other discussions to debate. They are related but not what I am discussing right now.

  • Posted By: Mirillia @ 07/02/2008 3:40:28 PM

    Raising children is one of the greatest blessings in life. It is easy to understand why parents may be more stressed in today's society than in the past, with the difficulties of balancing work and family time. There are many challenges parents face, and I really commend them for all that they do. Parenting involves sacrifice, and won't always be easy. However, by giving of themselves, parents are really gaining a lot and contributing to the future.

  • Posted By: changenow @ 07/02/2008 1:48:14 PM

    I find it outrageous when I read these comments from parents who seem to think that everyone???s purpose in life is to have and raise they're own offspring. This article simply states the truth and it's very apparent that some people just don't like the truth. The question as to whether people should have children or not was not the topic of this article so you???re comments like "if your parents thought this way you wouldn???t be here" are nonsense. I believe most parents are in a constant state of denial when it comes to they???re happiness and raising children.
    I would like any of you to HONESTLY tell me that your life is full of nothing but joy because you have kids? Please tell me how much joy you get from scolding your child for coloring the wall with markers. How wonderful it is when your child throws a fit in the grocery store because you won???t buy them something. That there is nothing better than getting a call from the police because your teenage son was picked up drinking and smoking at a party you didn???t know he was at. The happiness you get when your daughter is screaming and slamming doors in your face because you don???t like her new punk boyfriend.
    Explain to me what I???m missing from the above examples and maybe I???ll start to see your argument!
    And before you start going off on all the wonderful things that I???m missing like your babies first steps or your daughters graduation from college I would like to remind you of the original question.
    ???Is your life is full of NOTHING BUT JOY because you have kids???
    I already know what responses are going to be written so I???ll answer this question myself since I???m not in denial and don???t have to worry about breaking some moral code that will make people think I don???t love my children.
    The majority of parents are more stressed, and have less PERSONAL enjoyment in they???re lives because they have to dedicate almost all they???re time to raising children. Individuals without children do have the potential to have enjoyable less burdened lives but that doesn???t mean that they take full or any advantage of it. So ultimately people without children do have more free time to fulfill personal enjoyment over people with children but that doesn???t necessarily mean they use it. And I believe that was the main statement of this article.
    Finally an individuals choice as to wether they have children or not is they're choice alone and is no one elses buisness. So you keep raising your kids and I'll keep travelling the world, playing in the outdoors and living MY LIFE to the fullest offspring free.
    And no my life is not any less meaningful or any less selfhish than yours, its just different so deal with it.
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    • Posted By: nejbruns @ 07/02/2008 3:28:37 PM

      Joy is a relative term. If that was all we felt, it wouldn't be called joy!

    • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/02/2008 2:04:09 PM

      "And no my life is not any less meaningful or any less selfhish than yours, its just different so deal with it."

      That is denial. All you care about is you and your life, whereas others, especially parents, can honestly say they care about others and have substantial proof to back up their claim. Your comment radiates your own selfishness, (as well as a lack of education).

    • Posted By: jonashlock @ 07/02/2008 1:58:57 PM

      I am glad to hear you are not a parent. Just because some people decide to have children does not mean they give up traveling the world and other things they would do when they were single. We still do all the things we used to do before our son was born and now we get to experience things we have already done thru anothers eyes. It is almost like we have not done it before.

      Being a parent is what you make of it. There are bad times (as there are without children) but there are always good times that make you quickly forget them.

      I would never take back our choice to have children. It truly is the best time I have had in my life.

  • Posted By: mnshdesai @ 07/02/2008 2:58:39 PM

    Someone up there designed and created a male and a female in every species in life on earth: be it animals, humans or plants. The sole intention of that was renegeration, reproduction and continuation of life and all of existence.

    None of us seem to forget that "difference between males and females" part in our school days when we have proms. None of us seem to forget that when we go out on a date. None of us seem to forget that when we end some of our dates in "your place or mine". None of us seem to forget that when we start "living together". At those times, we do not read any studies, we do not refer to any experts in those respective areas of life. We just "do it".

    But, when it comes to having children, we suddenly use our "intellect" and superlative reasoning power to come up with all sorts of reasons for "why not". We read all kinds of studies conducted, select the ones whose results suit us, and then say that the answer to "Having kids makes you happy" is "FALSE" !!!!

    Why ?

    Has anybody ever written an article "Having sex makes you happy", quoted studies, and arrived at the conclusion "FALSE"?




    • Posted By: Guru1976 @ 07/02/2008 3:08:37 PM

      Well said. =) That goes right along with my logic. It's simply too bad that the next step in growth, (having children), is being purposefully prevented in order to satisfy selfish desires. Honestly people, we need more maturity in this world!

  • Posted By: my choice not yours @ 07/02/2008 2:56:37 PM

    I can say that based on the comments I have read the writer defiantly picked a heatedly debated topic. I have read many of the comments and I find truth and faults in many of them. My husband of 12 years and I have a 5 year old. I love my son very much, and I can truly not imagine my life at this stage without him. Being married for several years before deciding to have a child allowed me to experience adult life with and without a child. Yes, I do experience stresses in my life today just as I did in my life 10 years ago. Not the same stresses, but stresses just the same. I am able to travel, visit with friends, and enjoy private time with my husband. I parent my child as I see fit and she him as my responsibility. I too get aggravated at others??? children. The screaming child in a store bothers me just as it does those without children. Like the old saying goes, "it is different when it is your child." You don't look at other children the way you do your own, adopted or natural.

    I believe that everyone has a right to their own opinion and choices, BUT it is very hard to agree with people who are "speaking for me" when comments are made by people without children about how life is for people with children. Having spent my life both with and without a child, I can truly speak from both sides. How can someone without a child know my feelings or everyday life? Comment on your opinions, thoughts, fears, feelings, please don???t comment on mine for me.

    If you choose to have a child, welcome, enjoy, and don???t look back.
    If you choose not to have a child, proceed, enjoy, and don???t look back.

    Either way, once you have made the decision, at some point you can???t change it. I just ask that you not speak for someone or something if you are not qualified.

  • Posted By: imfalcon@gmail.com @ 06/29/2008 9:33:41 PM

    It is in our genes wanting to preserve the species, and I noticed as my beloved kids were growing up, that most parent I know tend to feel most satified about being a parent whenever the kids do something that show they are in the right track of becomimg independed, they walk, they talk, the enter school, win a competition, graduate, get a job, find a good life partner, etc.. Yes being a parent might not make you happier, but the need to reproduce is in our genes and most of us will do it anyhow, regardless on the 7% difference.

    • Posted By: Dimi @ 07/02/2008 2:45:59 PM

      Hmm...I must have cat genes, then. I've never wanted to bear or raise a human child, but I've loved every cat who's owned me and every cat I've ever seen.

  • Posted By: llehmannlu@hotmail.com @ 07/02/2008 2:27:48 PM

    Let me start by saying that my bf and I both adore children, but are not yet ready to start our own family. I'm not saying that having kids or not having kids is any better than the other. We are in our late 20's early 30's and our friends are all having children. We will have them over for bbq's or head out for a show and drinks, and the topic is ALWAYS the same! "We have no money" "We don't get to sleep" "We never get to vacation anywhere" "We never have sex anymore" "She nags me about my parenting" and on and on and on. It's almost as if they have forgotten their individualities and how to talk to other adults! It's almost as if they are unknowingly advocating a child free life! Happier? I don't see it!

  • Posted By: llehmannlu@hotmail.com @ 07/02/2008 2:27:25 PM

    Let me start by saying that my bf and I both adore children, but are not yet ready to start our own family. I'm not saying that having kids or not having kids is any better than the other. We are in our late 20's early 30's and our friends are all having children. We will have them over for bbq's or head out for a show and drinks, and the topic is ALWAYS the same! "We have no money" "We don't get to sleep" "We never get to vacation anywhere" "We never have sex anymore" "She nags me about my parenting" and on and on and on. It's almost as if they have forgotten their individualities and how to talk to other adults! It's almost as if they are unknowingly advocating a child free life! Happier? I don't see it!

  • Posted By: Jomar80 @ 07/02/2008 2:21:54 PM

    Posted By: 101grad @ 07/02/2008 2:07:34 PM
    Comment: all of you that have kids good for you.. things are different now, kids are more of a hassle then a necessity. Marriage is also a thing of the past. Marriage has NO gains for men, only advantages are for the woman. Get rid of all these good for nothing stay at home moms that watch opera all day eating bon bons. all you women with your muffin tops are nothing but depreciating assets.



    You know, I hate to burst your bubble, but according to the latest US Census statisics, marriage beneifts men and women equally by way of income, stabilty, and length of life. That's not a study but plain old statistics. Also, I think we'd probably have a lot less trouble with school shootings, child suicide, crime, and childhood-related personality disorders if their were more moms who would stop trying to juggle a career and more than one kid. Stay home with you children so they have someone you trust to learn their morals from. Don't let somone else raise them for you. Once upon a time you couldn't even adopt children if you were a working mom for just that reason. No agency would hand over children who were just going to be handed off again! Yes, I know some mothers have to work for living, what i'm saying is that if you're only working for a disposable income, then you are probably doing more harm than good and never should have had children in the first place.

  • Posted By: jmrogers31 @ 07/02/2008 2:10:01 PM

    There is a lot of hostility on this board. I have a 2 year old daughter and have wanted to be a father all my life. I was always good with kids and always liked kids, so of course I wanted one of my own. Some people shouldn't have kids and when they chose not to that is a responsible decision. There are plenty of people in the world and I actually think the people that have 8 or 10 kids are being selfish because there is no way you can afford that today unless you are a millionaire. I will admit I wanted to be a father for selfish reasons. I love kids and wanted one of my own to raise. I have loved every minute of it and can't wait to watch her grow up.

    • Posted By: Nyarlathotep @ 07/02/2008 2:21:38 PM

      You are the type of parent that there should be more of, and I for one applaud you.

  • Posted By: mnarich @ 07/02/2008 12:28:47 PM

    I keep reading comments such as this: "I love kids, but don't want any." In other words, "I love them as long as I don't have to bother with them" or "Kids are cute...as long as they stay over THERE." Well, so are rodents. It's probably best if people with that attitude don't have kids. Then hopefully their attitude will die with them. Meaning and purpose in life vs. "God this is a great martini?" What the...? LOL! Is the author serious? The whole article misses the point. Having kids isn't about YOU, it's about THEM. People say, "I don't want to bring kids into this awful world." Ok, if everyone thought like that there soon wouldn't be anyone left to improve it. Is that what you want? How about working to make the world a better place, and pass THAT attitude on to the next generation? If you're really worried about kids being miserable, how about adopting one of the kids who were already born into an awful situation and making THEIR life happier (forget about yourself for a moment). You know, one problem with the childless giving their opinion on this topic is that they have no idea what they are talking about. I've been without kids, and I now have kids. I KNOW the difference. Personally, I'd be "happy" to endure a year of HELL just to hear a few minutes of my own child's laughter, or to see the wonder in her eyes when she discovers something new, or to see her excitement when she learns a new skill, or even better, to see one of my children show kindness to someone else. The ONLY reason I care about a raise is for what it will give to THEM. I could live "happily" on a fraction of what I make if I didn't have kids. So why do I have them? Because society NEEDS them. We need people who care about others because someone once cared about them. Great martini? Get freakin' serious.

    • Posted By: Stephanie Tane @ 07/02/2008 12:55:52 PM

      "You know, one problem with the childless giving their opinion on this topic is that they have no idea what they are talking about. I've been without kids, and I now have kids. I KNOW the difference."

      You have just made the same mistake you accuse others of making! Being childless due to financial/educational/relationship circumstances, age, etc. is not at all, in any way, the same as being childless because you genuinely lack the desire for children (just as having children because it's "what you're supposed to do" is not at all, in any way, the same as having children because you could not imagine living without them - don't the results of this study make that painfully apparent?).

      Saying you know what it's like to be childless like the childfree are "childless" simply because you at one time didn't have children, is like saying you know what it's like to be a lesbian because you got drunk and kissed your roommate in college. We have no idea what it's like to have/want children, and you certainly have no idea what it's like to be childfree (not childless).

      • Posted By: mnarich @ 07/02/2008 1:09:45 PM

        Good point Stephanie. I don't know what it's like to not WANT children. But I do know what it's like to put my immediate wants aside for a greater thing. Again, I'm not trying to tell you to have children. I'm saying that being a parent is not ABOUT your personal happiness (I've seen too many parents make that mistake). Being a parent is about putting your immediate WANTS aside and CARING about what someone else wants. It's really WANTING that last "piece of cake" (or really wanting to live a certain lifestyle, or even just wanting to live), but giving it to your child because you care MORE about THEM. By whatever measure's were used in the study (which remain unspecified in this article), you will never get at my willingness to die for my children individually, and for what they collectively represent.

        • Posted By: Manee1 @ 07/02/2008 1:29:41 PM

          "But I do know what it's like to put my immediate wants aside for a greater thing."

          And your assumption that the childfree cannot do this is insulting.

          • Posted By: mnarich @ 07/02/2008 1:41:43 PM

            I didn't assume that. But when people give personal happiness or personal wants as their reasons for having or not having children, then I'm OK with saying that maybe they should take a look at something beyond themselves.

            • Posted By: Manee1 @ 07/02/2008 1:48:48 PM

              You also had personal wants - the want to have a child. I don't call you selfish for that.

              "Comment: I didn't assume that. But when people give personal happiness or personal wants as their reasons for having or not having children, then I'm OK with saying that maybe they should take a look at something beyond themselves. "

              You absolutely DO assume that. You assume that the childfree need to look at something beyond themselves. Why do you assume we don't, simply because we don't want kids? Your assumption is that we are less self-actualized than you, that we are selfish and don't think beyond our own happiness. It's insulting. I think you need to examine closer your words and your need to say those kinds of things.

              It's MY life. I have a right to persue what I want from it, just like you have a right to persue what you want from yours. I do NOT want children. And that's fine, and it doesn't mean I'm incapable of caring for others, being selfless, or helping the world, or whatever else you want to call it. Your posts clearly show you think otherwise.

              • Posted By: mnarich @ 07/02/2008 2:15:47 PM

                Um, no. I don't recall criticizing you directly, or assuming that I knew the motives of all the childless or childfree. I criticized a CERTAIN motive. If that's not your motive, then I'm not talking to you. However, your parting emphasis "It's MY life" is telling. I'm not assuming that this is your only reason for not wanting children, but when many people hold this belief as the MOST important consideration, then society has major problems whether or not this belief results in children (and yes, people could use selfish consideration to justify either having children or not having them). My problem is with those who don't seem to think that another motive is possible (either for having children OR for not having them). For example, perhaps we who have children might have had them for the children's sake, or for the world's sake MORE than for our own. The article ignores this possibility, which has been my primary complaint.

        • Posted By: Stephanie Tane @ 07/02/2008 1:49:39 PM

          I have integrated my reply to this post into the reply below...

  • Posted By: Jomar80 @ 07/02/2008 1:22:07 PM

    raycoolj: In defense of those who choose to not have children, they may find some bliss that a parent misses out on in turn, such as travelling freely. Yes, people do it before and after kids, but it will never be the same experince as doing it in the prime of your life when you're old enough truly enojoy the places you visit without being worried about partying (if pre-kid years) or getting tired (post-kid years). Yes, I say take the kids with travelling, but we all know it creates quite a disctraction. I would never enjoy the paintings of the Louvre with a 5 year old in tow and no teenager is going to appreciate seeing the Royal Jewels in the Tower of London, or at least not as much as they should. I just mean, don't presume that the childless couples are really missing out on anything- they've simply made a trade off. They may never taste chocolate, but you may never taste ice cream. I hope that made sense.

    • Posted By: Stephanie Tane @ 07/02/2008 2:12:00 PM

      It made perfect, beautiful sense. Thank you.

  • Posted By: 101grad @ 07/02/2008 2:07:34 PM

    all of you that have kids good for you.. things are different now, kids are more of a hassle then a necessity. Marriage is also a thing of the past. Marriage has NO gains for men, only advantages are for the woman. Get rid of all these good for nothing stay at home moms that watch opera all day eating bon bons. all you women with your muffin tops are nothing but depreciating assets.

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