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  • Posted By: Native American @ 06/30/2008 2:48:11 PM

    We did not have children for 10 years of trying. We are almost ready to commit suicide. Who says childless marriage is good. It is empty and aimless. Once we adpoted a child we were in heaven and we are still in heaven after 10 years. Do not listen to such professors, studies etc.

    • Posted By: Qkat @ 07/02/2008 4:02:57 AM

      Wow. That is really sad you two were going to commit suicide because you thought you couldn't have children. You mean to tell me that your relationship with you significant other is aimless? Maybe you two shouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Whether you have children or not, you must be miserable.

  • Posted By: camaro98541 @ 06/30/2008 3:29:02 PM

    People with out children chould Not cridisise Us people with children. Yes its a individuals feelings on this matter. Most people want to feel needed. Throu a job or friends. But when YOUR OLD AND IN A NERSING HOME. do you realy beleve your friends are going to be there ??? OR YOUR JOB ???? YOUR KIDS will be there. And being needed is everyones true desire. FOR ME my kids may be stressfull NOW but they grow up and there your true best friends FOR LIFE... TIM ( nadaclu4u@hotmail.com

    • Posted By: Saboro @ 06/30/2008 5:17:16 PM

      To Camaro, I work and live in a city primarily made up of seniors, and what do you know most say that their children wont or cant afford to help. So grow up if your generation isint helping their elders then what makes you think future generations will. I love to here that dumb remark who will take care of you. And as for best friend where is your husband / partner in all of this, Isint the person male or female that you decide to share parenting with the one that is supposed to be your partner, best friend. Sounds like your putting a lot of pressure on your children. Pity, perhaps they want their partner to be their best friend..

      • Posted By: Qkat @ 07/02/2008 3:37:33 AM

        I have worked in nursing homes in the past. It doesn't matter whether you have kids or not, usually I hear those who have kids say that their kids never come to visit them. They are lonely. It is usually their kids that dropped them off in the nursing home in the first place.

        This is never a good reason to have children. You don't know what life will deal out for you.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/30/2008 3:54:43 PM

      This is your brain on parenthood......any questions?

      • Posted By: okthenwhatever @ 06/30/2008 5:06:35 PM

        yes...one question. why exactly are you so antagonistic towards people who are obviously happy with their decision to raise children? Where you not one yourself at one point? I think perhaps you weren't shown enough of the love camaroo obviously has for his family when you were a child. Oh, and btw, a person's brain "on parenthood" is set on multi function mode, perhaps a grammatical error could be overlooked when coupled with best intentions.

        • Posted By: gnodab @ 06/30/2008 9:04:28 PM

          If you read the comments in this thread you will see that Johnsonium has three children and yet has mysteriously retained the ability to spell and use correct grammar. It seems to me his/her comment was meant as a humorous jab at lazy writing and/or ignorance. I personally can't see why anyone would take anyone who writes like a moron seriously, regardless of their message.

    • Posted By: Igloo0609 @ 06/30/2008 5:06:53 PM

      I hope your kids see this and know their coming responsibilities very well. I don't know if that should be a reason why YOU have kids. Bringing children into this world to take care of you in the future could be a rather naive, they will grow up and have their own lives and all....and sad but true many kids find their aging and ailing parents rather annoying and might lead to siblings rivalry in regards to who should be taking care of the parents. Just my two cents

    • Posted By: fuzzys @ 06/30/2008 4:04:07 PM

      THis argument keeps coming up but it's completely invalid. Yes, if you have true friends, they will be there for you through thick and thin. That and possibly other family members (nieces, nephews, cousins, etc.) Having kids is no guarantee they will be "there for you" or be your "best friend for life" (that made me gag a little). Plenty of kids grow up to hate their parents. Many people with children grow old and alone in nursing homes with no visitors. My husband's grandmother had 8 children and only one ever came to see her in her final days. My brother disowned my mother years ago and didn't call or visit when she was in the hospital with cancer. Anyone who thinks having kids is some kind of guarantee for bliss in your old age is kidding yourself.

    • Posted By: mochal @ 06/30/2008 3:48:40 PM

      You're looking for best friends from your kids?LOL I hope it works out for you because they may have something different planned for their lives. I hope you're not too lonely in the meantime ROFL.

  • Posted By: mommy29 @ 06/30/2008 4:54:32 PM

    I am a mother under a tremendous amount of pressure. Children, school, work, marriage, activities, etc. I feel my body will shut down at any moment. For anyone who is thinking about having kids, FYI, it will be no walk in the park. If I could go back and do things differently, I would NEVER give my two girls up for anything in the world. If my husband and I are arguing, my baby just walks up and says Mommy, I love you. And all the anger leaves your heart. She'll kiss my husband and say Daddy don't you love me? How can you argue after that? The arguement won't have anything to do with her, but she knows we are upset and what she does; is instantly calm us down. People don't stay young forever. I know many people that are childless in their old age. No one to take care of them. No one to visit them. They are miserable. For a little aggravation about the daily routine of childen, you will be rewareded by the lifetime of the love of your children. Party on childless parents. You'll look up and one day and be the only OLDER person in the club on Christmas Eve, and sleeping late Christmas Day in your old age. How lonely!

    • Posted By: DisciplineIsFreedom @ 06/30/2008 5:28:35 PM

      Another selfish comment from another selfish parent, who thinks the sacrifices they make for children who never asked to be born, somehow entitles them to live off those kids' joy instead of cultivating their own. Yet another person birthing an "old-age-slave" and taunting those who would never be such users that they will therefore be so unfortunate in their old age. Well thanks, but I think I'll spend my youth and my old age taking responsibility for my own happiness and well-being instead of raising slaves. The community I have the time to contribute to now, with my time, my resources, my love, and my genuine inner joy, will be there to keep me company when I'm in my final years. I will still be a valued member of the community, having been an elder to many many children growing up there. And whatever they will do for me will be out of genuine love and desire to share company with me, not out of some sense of guilt and obligation. But to each their own, so long as we can all live with ourselves.

      • Posted By: Qkat @ 07/02/2008 2:55:38 AM

        ...yet I have worked for the elderly and a lot of times the children never come to visit their parents. Now that's lonely.

      • Posted By: abbychloe @ 06/30/2008 11:19:43 PM

        Discipline: If your factoid about childless couples being happier than couples with children is really true, then why do you sound like the most miserable person in this discussion? Honestly you have such a chip on your shoulders about this subject. "Old-age-slave," "guilt and obligation," "live off those kids' joy?" Wow - you speak such angry words about raising children when you don't have the slightest idea about it. I am the mother of two darling little girls that I wouldn't trade for anything. Yes they are a lot of work an yes they have changed our lives 100%; however, we feel it is a privilege and sheer blessing to have them in our lives. We did not adopt them, we were "selfish" as you stated and had them ourselves (talk about ignorance here - that is an ignorant statement on your part). Shame on you for having such a narrow-minded view. It is unfair and quite honestly, uneducated. DON'T GET ME WRONG - I THINK CHILDLESS COUPLES ARE JUST AS HAPPY AS MY HUSBAND AND I ARE...BUT THEY ARE CERTAINLY NOT HAPPIER THAN WE ARE. YES, THEIR LIVES ARE LESS COMPLICATED AND YES, THEY ARE FOOTLOOSE AND FANCY-FREE - AND GOOD FOR THEM FOR CHOOSING THAT. HAVING OR NOT HAVING CHILDREN IS A PERSONAL CHOICE AND THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG. WE HAD A BALL BEFORE WE HAD OUR CHILDREN - DID EVERYTHING WE WANTED - LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT. BUT JUST BECAUSE WE CHOSE TO HAVE CHILDREN DOES NOT MAKE US SELFISH, IGNORANT PEOPLE - JUST AS YOUR CHOOSING NOT TO HAVE THEM DOESN'T MAKE YOU SELFISH OR IGNORANT. It's funny that after you completely insult us in your narrow-minded views about bearing children that you state "but to each their own, so long as we can all live with ourselves." I pity your life...not sure what you are so bitter about but I hope you find help. I hope you do take responsibility for your own happiness and find it. I see no inner joy in your comments...so what will be there to keep you company when you're in your final years? I highly doubt with your attitude that you are currently a valued member of your community with the hatred you have inside. My children will do for my husband and I out of genuine love and desire to share our company because they'll know how much they are loved and wanted. There will be no guilt and obligation. Get a life.

        • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/01/2008 8:06:34 AM

          I think s/he was just responding to the snarky comment by the mommy who wrongly believes that childless couples are partying it up all the time...read her last line. And yes, she does reference multiple times that childless couples will be alone in their old age. Gee, here's a newsflash...I know MANY crappy adults who put their parents in nursing homes, never visit, and live off their inheritance. I also know MANY older adults who put themselves in assisted living communities, form deep bonds and friendships with other older adults in the community, and live very happy in their last years. Having children doesn't guarantee they will take care of you, or that you won't be lonely in your old age. Family is what you make it--your own family can be terrible but you can have friends who are like family. And assuming that all childless couples are partying it up in the club on Christmas Eve (please!) is ignorant. They're more likely to be spending a relaxing, fun evening with stimulating intelligent conversation, instead of wiping the butt and nose of a kid. To each their own. But you can't call one person bitter for simply responding to snarky comments of a self absorbed mommy.

  • Posted By: honestleah @ 07/02/2008 2:35:30 AM

    Are there selfish people who don't want to have children? are there selfish people who have children? yes.to both I don't think that there is argument about which is better (in my opinion) what I see here in the comments is a lot of anger and a lot of name calling from both sides As someone who has chosen not to have children I really don't think that you who do have them have any right to judge me as selfish or immature. I hope that those who made the decision not to have children didn't do so just so they could watch a late night movie. Coming to such a decision has many different variables. Before you call one of us selfish perhaps you should ask if we were already parents by having a younger sister or brother to raise when we wern't ready, perhaps some of us have sick family members that we take care of and we know that if we had children there would be no one to take care of them, maybe some of us had such unhappy childhoods that now that we are all grown up and able to choose for ourselves we don't want to let go, and perhaps some of us don't feel emotionally strong enough to raise a child. There can be so many reasons and many combinations- to call us selfish sounds like bitterness that some parents have over the perks that us childless couple have. Its the biterness that some of you parents feel because deep down inside you know you are not happy but can't face the fact that you might have made a mistake and that there is no turnning back for you ever-so better be happy with your lot right? and tell everyone else that they are wrong. How do I know? because I am a teacher and a sister and a daughter and a friend to many women who confide in me that when they realize that they are not happy all they can do is channel their existance into their children and secretly wait till they grow up and leave. Does this mean you don't love your children? NO! of course not so stop pointing fingers. I was a nanny who watched so many mothers who can't wait to dump off their children at another activity so they wont have to be alone with them boast about motherhood(ha)I was there then and I am here now as a teacher who has contributed most of her adult life to the wellfare of the children of others. So do I get to go on a trip when I want? pretty much, do I get to have sex on the kitchen sink if my husband comes home for lunch? you bet ya, do I have a killer body and look 10 or more years youngers than my peers? absolutly. I am sorry that I am not sad and miserable and empty- because I think some of you parents wish that people like me were. And for those of you happy parents -alll power to you! Because through all these years as a teacher and confidant to your little ones -let me tell you, your children know if you are happy or not, they feel it and they internalize your feelings in thousand different ways. take care of your children, make children with someone who has the same life values as your self, plan and love 11:45 pm -hubby's looking good...

  • Posted By: coolcat @ 06/30/2008 11:30:11 PM

    It seems to me that no matter what decision you make nowadays, people will find excuses to think of you as selfish. There are some people out there who seem to think that if you get married, the obvious and selfless thing to do is to reproduce. Some of these people also think that if you don't fall in love, you have no right raising a child alone (sperm doner, adoption) as that is being selfish. In my opinon, the bottom line is this: If all couples reproduced, the planet would be ridiculously overpopulated. If no one reproduced, we would obviously die out. So we need both the child-rearing and the childless couples. As another poster said, there is no need of animosity between both groups.

    • Posted By: apvlahos @ 07/01/2008 5:19:11 PM

      actually, if every couple only had one child, wouldn't that eventually lead to too few people? Too few to care for the elderly? too few to work and pay taxes to the welfare state?

      • Posted By: coolcat @ 07/01/2008 11:15:22 PM

        Yes, but I can't imagine there being a circumstance where every couple that decided to have children had just one child (except in China.)

  • Posted By: skd500 @ 07/01/2008 10:34:45 PM

    I don't think that having children makes people "happy", but what it does is make us think of someone other than our own goals and achievements, it makes us share what we have, it makes us be concerned with the future, and it teaches us to sacrifice, and the one thing that raising children does.............is it leaves something on earth behind after you're gone. It is one way to immortalize you and leave something when you pass from this world, and it leaves someone else to value the memories you shared..............I never worked harder than what I worked in the years I raised my daughter full time, but I was also never prouder of any accomplishment either, and I guess the value that comes from raising children is that when you reach an older age and begin to look back and be retrospective, you have something to look back on and be proud to leave behind...............skd500

  • Posted By: cunardqueen @ 07/01/2008 7:43:30 PM

    I must say, I have never seen two groups of people show such derision to each other based on life choices that are no one else's concern. If you want to have kids, good for you. If you don't want to have kids, good for you. Can we all just mind our own business?

  • Posted By: kshortSD @ 07/01/2008 5:36:09 PM

    There are many more factors in life to consider in determining what makes us happy. What if you have 10 kids and struggle to support them? What if you have no children but are unhappy because you hate your job and your circumstances?

    I don't have kids, but I have witnessed 35 years of my parents showing endless love for me and displaying unwavering contentment over their choice to have kids. I also see my younger brother with his 3 small daughters and he's the happiest soul I know.

  • Posted By: jdorton @ 06/30/2008 4:53:20 PM

    I think this article is very interesting. I am a single never married woman fast approaching 45 who has never had children. While I never felt that people were scrutinizing me, particularly, others have suggested that they were and others in my position have felt scrutinized. I think it is important for us, as a society, to examine both sides of virtually any coin, including having children. As a society, we do stand to benefit if not everyone reproduces. As at least one has person has already noted here, we have more people on the planet than is desirable already. It would be best if conversation on this subject could be had in a way that would leave no one on the defensive, since it is a personal decision to be made on an individual basis. I think this article contributes to that sort of holistic approach and that it is unfortunate if anyone feels the need to attack it in anyway, for that reason.

    • Posted By: kshortSD @ 07/01/2008 5:31:07 PM

      I'm with you. I am 35, and have only just started trying to get pregnant with my husband. But in recent years, the constant questioning from friends and family about when we're going to have kids (which is annoying anyway, because how did they know we weren't trying?) has given way to sad glances and murmering behind our backs about how sad it is that we haven't been able to have kids. No one has asked us if we have started trying, or if we even plan on it. My dad even asked my if I'd been to a doctor before asking me if we were trying or if we wanted to have kids. God, I wish people would either ask us upfront, or mind their own business!

  • Posted By: camaro98541 @ 06/30/2008 5:12:51 PM

    The hardest THING IN THIS WORLD is to find someone That will comit to Your side ( marrage ) and stick to it throu the hard times and good times. Having kids is a big comitment , They dont have the chioce to stay or go. Its up to YOU as a parrent to stay bye there side... I am devorced twice. I have full cousity of 5 kids. They are my insperation.The mothers dont even call to say happy buirthday to there kids. DRUGS AND PARTY and GUYS ARE MORE important to them. thous are the people that shouldnt have kids. I make 40 dollars a hour for my family. They are my life . and i spoyl them as much as i can.its my job as a parrent to be there. Thats what i comited to do when i made them..( having kids makes you happy ) MY ANSWER IS ( YES )

    • Posted By: kshortSD @ 07/01/2008 5:25:53 PM

      How do you make $40 an hour when you don't even have basic spelling and grammar skills?

  • Posted By: jane.simpson.wilson @ 07/01/2008 5:15:57 PM

    For those who are angry that others might judge them for not "spawning" or choosing to have kids, I say more power to you. It is an important ant personal choice that is yours and yours alone. I think either choice is one of courage and integrity. I can honestly say, as a parent, I have had moments when I wished I was just alone with my hustband. Now that we are empty nesters, I so get not having kids. The silence is golden and I don't have to plan my life around very, very, needy young souls. So Parents....shut up the nasty comments to those who choose to live thier life as Adults wtihout the incessant cartoon, drama and neverending hard work that comes with raising kids.

  • Posted By: kshortSD @ 07/01/2008 5:15:15 PM

    It's probably true that it's a little more difficult to "take the plunge" and have kids when you're a little older. After all, you've gotten used to traveling, eating out, sleeping in, etc. Most of the couples I know have waited until they are in their 30's to have kids. I'm 35 and just now my husband and I are thinking of having a family, finally. And it's not because we're supposed to have kids. We are tired of going out at night, and we see the smiles on our friends faces when they talk about their kids. And it's gotten more difficult to find childless friends to spend our weekends with. I truly feel like I need more purpose in my life at this point, and I'm ready (both psychologically and financially) to take on the challenge.

  • Posted By: jane.simpson.wilson @ 07/01/2008 5:10:28 PM

    I have five children. Before you punish me about birth control, three of the five are step-chiildren that I raised from a very young age when their Mother walked out on them. I am guilty as charged of producing one of each flavor. I think the whole process is a crap shoot. What the step-children taught me is that missing that critical genetic connection I stood around scratching my head alot. I just didn't "get " them. With my biological children, It is easier to see things coming a mile away and to notice behavior that I have seen in myself and extended family. There is also the genetic passing of talents and gifts that are easier to spot and encourage from an early age. I have had, as all parents, momets and wonder and hours of extrem distress and a general feeling of coplete failure. I think these souls are a gift that are given to us on loan to try and help them find thier way on thier won journey through this mortal sphere. I do think it's a crap shoot where the babies leave the nest and you hold your breath, trusting that you've done everything you can to equip them to be happy, healthy and confident that they are unconditionaly loved, even when they really, really mess up. I'm batting 500. I guess that's not too bad for The Show. And I believe that parenting is The Bigs,

  • Posted By: law00047 @ 07/01/2008 6:32:11 AM

    I agree that having children is not necessarily a must in marriages. I'm not married yet but my fiance and I have agreed that we'll be perfectly happy not having any kids. What perplexes me is why is it that the less financially well off are always the ones who have more kids than they can afford and discipline. People should only have kids IF they truly want one and are matured enough to have even one, and not because they are supposed to have one. Do you notice that many hooligans and criminals usually come from homes that are broken? I'm not discriminating, just generalising. People should be counselled to ensure that they are fully prepared and equipped to have children. Bad parents result in kids that are rebellious and good-for-nothings, and it's a vicious cycle because these kids get pregnant and try to raise kids in their own uninformed way with no discipline. I do recognise that there are exceptions but there are studies that show that the rate of abortions are directly proportional to the level of crime, which goes to show that you should only have kids IF you truly are prepared and want to have one. I get so annoyed and disgusted everytime I see a bunch of underaged school dropouts smoking and drinking and generally making a complete fool of themselves and they actually think they are really cool and I think to myself where are their parents and how did they turn out this way? Parents may say that having kids is purposeful and selfless but the fact remains that having even one child adds stress,. Advocates of having children will protest but can they honestly say that a parent doesn't stress over her/his child's well-being or health? Having a child requires a degree of selflessness because the focus and attention is on the child, and how many people can honestly say that they are selfless. We've all been ingrained from a young age in schools and homes that we need to compete for everything, grades, even affection from parents, so how can we learn to be selfless when the world requires one to be otherwise?

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 07/01/2008 7:49:24 AM

      Very well said! I couldn't agree more. People should have children ONLY if they are prepared for it, financially and mentally. A lot of people just aren't kid people, and they shouldn't be looked at as selfish for that. Rather, they are the responsible ones who realize they can't raise a child, so they don't have them. I wholeheartedly agree with you that the ones who shouldn't be having children seem to have the most. We all have seen people with 6 or 7 kids, on welfare, unable to care for them. THAT is complete selfishness. You shouldn't have kids because it's what you're "supposed" to do (which is an extremely antiquated idea) and you definitely shouldn't have them to increase your government payout.

      • Posted By: kshortSD @ 07/01/2008 5:08:46 PM

        It's ironic that people who are too irresponsible to use birth control are the ones having kids that they're not responsible enough to care for!

  • Posted By: nenadaconte @ 06/30/2008 5:11:15 PM

    I am a 32 year old female, married for 7 years, and so far I haven't felt the need or desire to have kids.
    I do have one thing very clear: If and when I decide to become a mother, I will adopt. This world is over-populated. There are thousands of parentless children who go to bed every night hoping to be adopted.
    Thankfully, my husband agrees with all of this.

    • Posted By: practicalone @ 07/01/2008 4:25:51 PM

      Thank you and your husband for planning to adopt! For the sake of children, it is the only KIND way to acquire a child! The overpopulation of humans is causing/ will cause great suffering to the individual and to humans as a group. We've had the ability (those of us in the nations will the availablity of birth control) of making love without making babies. Too bad we as a species haven't learned from what we have seen in every other species: overpopulation results is disease, aberrant behavior, fighting over space, food, water, and in the case of humans, negatively affects almost every part of the world.

  • Posted By: clytemnestra1 @ 07/01/2008 3:44:19 PM

    I had to retype my comment over again! Dangit! I wrote that there is no more perfect relationship or love than that between mother and child (at least when they're babies, mine is). Like the author, I too have never felt such a deep love as the one I have for my daughter. As a single mom, yes it's hard, stressful, a lot of work (thank God for family!), but she brings so much joy and meaning to my loved ones. I look forward to the day when I have a husband who feels the same way I do about children to have more; can't imagine it being much better than that.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 07/01/2008 2:29:37 PM

    OKay!, Let me hold a mirror. Most of us are becoming more and more selfish. It is becoming all about ourself. What do you care about children, your elderly parents, or your sick neighbour? As long as "our happiness', is achieved everything is so fine. That is all this study results are about. I still wonder about the type of subjects they had in the research.

  • Posted By: Freewoman @ 07/01/2008 2:17:37 PM

    "If I knew then what I know now, I would not have had kids."
    "Being a mother is the most thankless job in the world."
    Quotes verbatim from the ultimate authority in the matter: MY OWN MOTHER.

  • Posted By: camaro98541 @ 06/30/2008 4:05:54 PM

    This may sound DUMB, The people dont know the feeling we have when you see your baby Get on the buss for school for The frist time.( its scarry ) Letting go. and when they come in hurt with teers in there eyes looking for you to help them. And at christmass The look on there face the joy the love Its REALY worth being a parrent. Tim ( nadaclu4u@hotmail.com )

    • Posted By: fuzzys @ 06/30/2008 7:05:34 PM

      It's not really your comment that sounds DUMB. Instead, it is the many spelling and punctuation errors throughout your post that make it appear that way..

      • Posted By: okthenwhatever @ 07/01/2008 11:10:38 AM

        obviously, you got the meaning behind his post. Why so hateful to someone who is merely expressing his opinion? Perhaps his spelling and grammar is a bit off, but i was always told BY MY MOM that those who criticize others in such a manner are just small insecure people trying to make themselves feel better by putting down others.

  • Posted By: MsMusic @ 06/30/2008 4:26:32 PM

    Everyone has their own beliefs about children and I believe that those people are entitled to their ways. Some people really are a LOT happier without children. Its not that they dont LIKE kids, its just that a lot of people want to wait until they are ready - and sometimes they just never get ready! I have a beautiful little girl. She is five years old and I would not trade her for anything. There are good days and there are bad days. I wouldnt say that having a child has made me LESS happy - and there are such WONDERFUL moments shared with her that I would like to believe that it has made me more happy than I was before... however - I am a full time paralegal, I sing with two bands, run an Orchestra, and am constantly meeting brides to coordinate songs and have my child... I am a single mother (divorced) - so I think that if things would have worked out differently I would not be UNHAPPY for not having children - it just would not have been the right time. It isnt fair to try to make anyone feel forced to have children. THAT makes them unhappy. Some people just are not cut out for the job - and lets face it moms and dads - it is most definately a JOB!

    • Posted By: okthenwhatever @ 07/01/2008 11:07:48 AM

      your post should give those who say we parents give up our own interests and growth when we have children something to think about - I say having my children has made me realize my kids look to me as an example of an adult and i want them to see an adult can be a mommy, have a career, be an artist, sing in a band, etc.....

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